So I pay money for T5, money for fleet upgrade for T5.5 and now I can pay even more money so the same ship could be 3rd rate crud! (T6 - 1st, T5U - 2nd, T5.5 - 3rd).
There's this CE event running currently. Do it 14 times on all of your chars, wait for a Dilithium weekend to get your reward and you'll have plenty of dilithium that you can use to upgrade your ships.
And T5-U is not 3rd grade, as has been stated by the devs repeatedly (they still want to sell those ships in Delta Rising, after all).
Kind sir can I have some of that Klingon good stuff you seem to be hitting?
There's a Gorgonzola post somehwere in this threadnaught that I'm too lazy to look for right now. He said T5-U base ship stats would be superior to those of T6 ships.
There's this CE event running currently. Do it 14 times on all of your chars, wait for a Dilithium weekend to get your reward and you'll have plenty of dilithium that you can use to upgrade your ships.
And T5-U is not 3rd grade, as has been stated by the devs repeatedly (they still want to sell those ships in Delta Rising, after all).
Only 14 times?
This gets better and better, I can get bored to death and fleeced at the same time.
Yes, I am sure T5U will be "competitive", you know WWI era destroyer is still competitive in catching Somali pirates in rickety old fishing boats.
There's a Gorgonzola post somehwere in this threadnaught that I'm too lazy to look for right now. He said T5-U base ship stats would be superior to those of T6 ships.
1) Base T5 ships (this includes upgradeable non-fleet ships, such as the Avenger), have 9 consoles. They will be upgraded to T5-U, but at a T6 base equivalent level (minus the boff/trait) with 10 consoles.
2) T5.5 ships (lobi, lockbox, fleet, and C-store 3-packs such as Oddy/Bortas) have 10 consoles. They will be upgraded to T5-U that is more like a T6.5 (minus the boff/trait) with 11 consoles.
So yes, that means we really already have T6, but without the mastery, boff slot, and scaling HP.
OMG you are just astonishing. This is virtual reality, not reality. My dual heavy fleet disruptor cannons do not depreciate, like a car does. They are as good as the day I got them. They do not wear out, they do not require maintenance, they do not get old. Your analogy has absolutely no merit whatsoever. Never use a car analogy on a car guy unless you are one yourself & you , obviously, are not a car guy. Think it's time to log off for good & go work on my Porsches (that's right, plural). Better to spend my time & money on them instead of wasting my time on someone as laughable as you.
laughed lots, the analogy is bang on, it is your inability to understand how it applies here
that is astonishing. all products, digital or material, have a value, whether its a percieved
value as in a digital purchase, or a registered value, as in preciouse metal. otherwise why
pay/work/grind for them. your weapons do depriciate as a product (loose value) as new
tiers come along that render what you have of less benefit or worth within its area of use.
you say a car needs servicing and maintenance, so isnt comparable with this virtual stuff,
again you are not understanding the analogy, the game in its self, needs maintained and
serviced, your charachters exist in a virtual world that has to be maintained, if it isnt, then
it ceases to be, just to clarifty, thats like having you shiny... porche.. totalled with no way
to recoupe what you have spent on it.
And I have some good real-estate for sale on the Moon if you believe him.
ooh real-estate on the moon for sale, i can add that to the bridge in brooklyn someone
wanted to sell to me earlier in the thread, or was that you too?? lol
Here's something I'm going to say once before jumping off for the night as it's 2:42 am PST. If you guys feel so strongly about the ship upgrades, how about you strip your ships of everything that you spent money on and go back to using basic gear since you guys feel so cheap about spending at the very least 500 zen. You obviously don't deserve to keep the shiny ships you threw money into the game to acquire.
I'm a silver player and I will be looking forward to how just how much I'll have to grind out in order to upgrade my favorite tier V ships up to the near Tier 6 quality. I have not spent one penny on this game. Every tier V ship I bought for my characters (the Armitage, Ar'kif carrier retrofit and Gal-X bundle) I did simply by converting zen from dilithium. Eventually, I will look at getting something better for my characters. But for now, I'll look forward to enjoying the Delta rising content in my Tier V ships.
Here's something I'm going to say once before jumping off for the night as it's 2:42 am PST. If you guys feel so strongly about the ship upgrades, how about you strip your ships of everything that you spent money on and go back to using basic gear since you guys feel so cheap about spending at the very least 500 zen. You obviously don't deserve to keep the shiny ships you threw money into the game to acquire.
I'm a silver player and I will be looking forward to how just how much I'll have to grind out in order to upgrade my favorite tier V ships up to the near Tier 6 quality. I have not spent one penny on this game. Every tier V ship I bought for my characters (the Armitage, Ar'kif carrier retrofit and Gal-X bundle) I did simply by converting zen from dilithium. Eventually, I will look at getting something better for my characters. But for now, I'll look forward to enjoying the Delta rising content in my Tier V ships.
See, somebody pays money so you can grind it for free, guess how many of us will keep spending money so you can grind it for free?
Or do you think your dil grind pays for server, personnel, hours, company profits and alike.
In short "not pay a penny crowd" stays, "pay with real money" crowd goes.
So what is the reason for T6 since you know T5U will be almost as good with minimal difference?
There tend to be only minimal differences between many of the ships that already exist. In a previous podcast Geko talked about the issue of finding ways to keep adding ships because they were running out of minimal differences that they could use. So tada...T6...a new means of expanding the collection of available ships via additional minimal differences from new mechanics.
And I don't think anybody's kidding themselves that once there is a healthy of stable of the T6 ships that Cryptic will probably make the move to Fleet T6 and the T5-U/T6 ships will fall behind much in the same way that the T5 9 consoles are behind T5 10 consoles.
The curious angle will be how they handle the Lock Box/Lobi/Event/Veteran ships at that point while leaving the other T5-U boats behind.
So yeah, in 1-2 years...I expect folks to make the "I quit" posts and mean them...but hey, Cryptic's got some time to figure out how they will avoid that nightmare, eh?
@Illyrian
I see you just want to TRIBBLE on Cryptic, reason or facts be damned.
That makes it pointless to waste my time with you any further. Have a nice life.
agreed, once it comes down to picking on the way a person writes, as opposed to
what that person writes, the value of any further discussion becomes pointless
There tend to be only minimal differences between many of the ships that already exist. In a previous podcast Geko talked about the issue of finding ways to keep adding ships because they were running out of minimal differences that they could use. So tada...T6...a new means of expanding the collection of available ships via additional minimal differences from new mechanics.
And I don't think anybody's kidding themselves that once there is a healthy of stable of the T6 ships that Cryptic will probably make the move to Fleet T6 and the T5-U/T6 ships will fall behind much in the same way that the T5 9 consoles are behind T5 10 consoles.
The curious angle will be how they handle the Lock Box/Lobi/Event/Veteran ships at that point while leaving the other T5-U boats behind.
So yeah, in 1-2 years...I expect folks to make the "I quit" posts and mean them...but hey, Cryptic's got some time to figure out how they will avoid that nightmare, eh?
1-2 years, you are an optimist, eh?
Pray tell, how old is say Tempest class?
And the tiny problem is why would majority of us ,who bought ships for money, keep doing it to support the game?
And seeing a hot mess that is Neverwinter pardon me if I am not really sold on Cryptic's staff competence.
And the tiny problem is why would majority of us ,who bought ships for money, keep doing it to support the game?
You can only speak for it being a tiny problem for you...and...as to why that would be a tiny problem for you, you would be the only one potentially able to answer that question.
People which are arguementing like "hey its just 5$ for an upgrade" and "you can make enough money during the CCE event" are obviously ignoring that
1. its 5$ for EACH ship
2. there are more than enough players which have to upgrade 20-30 ships
3. the dilithium-zen transfer rates have become so incredible high that its getting pretty expensive to upgrade (1 Zen used to cost ~80dil when Season 7 was released... now we are hitting rates of 1:200)
I have 31 ships that require to be upgraded.
31x5$ = 155$
So cryptic forces me to pay 155$ so i can upgrade my ships and probably still have a chance in PVP after season 10.
OR
I grind enough Dilithium to play the costs
31 ships * 500 Zen * an optimistic rate of 200dil (for 1 Zen)
Ok thats grinding 3,1 mio Dil in order to reach a state that I already had in season 9 (ships that can compete in PVP).
Season 10 actually means to lose performance compared to the top ships.
The upgrades we are forced to are only to restore the status quo.
Come on guys! The ships we paid zen for should not cost us more to upgrade. The ships we have gotten for free, I can see paying zen to upgrade. Why should we pay more to upgrade the ships we had to purchase when we we had to spend 25 bucks or more in order to get the ships in the first place?
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USS Independence NX-91117-M
Shadow Raiders
Come on guys! The ships we paid zen for should not cost us more to upgrade. The ships we have gotten for free, I can see paying zen to upgrade. Why should we pay more to upgrade the ships we had to purchase when we we had to spend 25 bucks or more in order to get the ships in the first place?
I would agree but I could swallow say $5 for T5 > T6 upgrade.
As it stands it will be between $5-$10 for T5 > T5U upgrade, and T5U < T6.
And cheerleader squad is out in force to claim it's almost the same, it isn't and it can't be.
Besides how many would spend money on ships with a disclaimer tag "can become obsolete or require more money to upgrade at any time"?
Heck even paper cups for hot beverages have disclaimers on them to be safe, apparently here it is not needed.
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And T5-U is not 3rd grade, as has been stated by the devs repeatedly (they still want to sell those ships in Delta Rising, after all).
Only 14 times?
This gets better and better, I can get bored to death and fleeced at the same time.
Yes, I am sure T5U will be "competitive", you know WWI era destroyer is still competitive in catching Somali pirates in rickety old fishing boats.
So can I have some of Klingon good stuff?
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This is what I got from this:
1) Base T5 ships (this includes upgradeable non-fleet ships, such as the Avenger), have 9 consoles. They will be upgraded to T5-U, but at a T6 base equivalent level (minus the boff/trait) with 10 consoles.
2) T5.5 ships (lobi, lockbox, fleet, and C-store 3-packs such as Oddy/Bortas) have 10 consoles. They will be upgraded to T5-U that is more like a T6.5 (minus the boff/trait) with 11 consoles.
So yes, that means we really already have T6, but without the mastery, boff slot, and scaling HP.
laughed lots, the analogy is bang on, it is your inability to understand how it applies here
that is astonishing. all products, digital or material, have a value, whether its a percieved
value as in a digital purchase, or a registered value, as in preciouse metal. otherwise why
pay/work/grind for them. your weapons do depriciate as a product (loose value) as new
tiers come along that render what you have of less benefit or worth within its area of use.
you say a car needs servicing and maintenance, so isnt comparable with this virtual stuff,
again you are not understanding the analogy, the game in its self, needs maintained and
serviced, your charachters exist in a virtual world that has to be maintained, if it isnt, then
it ceases to be, just to clarifty, thats like having you shiny... porche.. totalled with no way
to recoupe what you have spent on it.
It is funny how many folks overlook that simple tidbit, eh?
It's funny how many lower tier ships useless in endgame are on Z store, eh?
Am I touching your precious, eh?
ooh real-estate on the moon for sale, i can add that to the bridge in brooklyn someone
wanted to sell to me earlier in the thread, or was that you too?? lol
Now, now, just because he sounds like Baghdad Bob...
Again, T5U will be on par with T6. The only change is that Lockbox/Lobi stuff won't be alone on the top of the food chain anymore.
some people just need something to go with thier cheese i think
Here, one historic official statement debunking nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO725Hbzfls
Would you like some Confederate War Bonds, I swear Commonwealth of Virgina will redeem them in gold?
There are 32 ships in the C-Store for T1-T4 - where the majority of them provide gear or unlock something that can be used at endgame.
There are 134 ships that can go T5-U.
There are going to be 7-10 T6 ships.
Cryptic probably hopes to still sell those 134 ships, right?
Er...
Rah-rah-rah, go troops!
That's the spirit, might want to learn how to use capital letters and periods between pom-pom practice.
So? What's the point? When your ships are already practically indestructible as it is, making them slightly more indestructable is pointless.
I see you just want to TRIBBLE on Cryptic, reason or facts be damned.
That makes it pointless to waste my time with you any further. Have a nice life.
I'm a silver player and I will be looking forward to how just how much I'll have to grind out in order to upgrade my favorite tier V ships up to the near Tier 6 quality. I have not spent one penny on this game. Every tier V ship I bought for my characters (the Armitage, Ar'kif carrier retrofit and Gal-X bundle) I did simply by converting zen from dilithium. Eventually, I will look at getting something better for my characters. But for now, I'll look forward to enjoying the Delta rising content in my Tier V ships.
Er or eh?
And they hope to sell T1-T4, right? Now reinforced with T-5s, they do offer useful consoles to endgame so why complain?
I am sure you are right and there is nothing to worry about, since T5U will be almost as good as T6.
Baghdad Bob said so.
So what is the reason for T6 since you know T5U will be almost as good with minimal difference?
A whole new tier just for few unimportant bells and whistles.
See, somebody pays money so you can grind it for free, guess how many of us will keep spending money so you can grind it for free?
Or do you think your dil grind pays for server, personnel, hours, company profits and alike.
In short "not pay a penny crowd" stays, "pay with real money" crowd goes.
Upgrading to T5U will totally be worth that 1% extra hull, 0.5% extra shield and 0.75% higher turn rate.
Why thank you, I hope you enjoy that huge line of new Klingon ships incoming.
There tend to be only minimal differences between many of the ships that already exist. In a previous podcast Geko talked about the issue of finding ways to keep adding ships because they were running out of minimal differences that they could use. So tada...T6...a new means of expanding the collection of available ships via additional minimal differences from new mechanics.
And I don't think anybody's kidding themselves that once there is a healthy of stable of the T6 ships that Cryptic will probably make the move to Fleet T6 and the T5-U/T6 ships will fall behind much in the same way that the T5 9 consoles are behind T5 10 consoles.
The curious angle will be how they handle the Lock Box/Lobi/Event/Veteran ships at that point while leaving the other T5-U boats behind.
So yeah, in 1-2 years...I expect folks to make the "I quit" posts and mean them...but hey, Cryptic's got some time to figure out how they will avoid that nightmare, eh?
agreed, once it comes down to picking on the way a person writes, as opposed to
what that person writes, the value of any further discussion becomes pointless
1-2 years, you are an optimist, eh?
Pray tell, how old is say Tempest class?
And the tiny problem is why would majority of us ,who bought ships for money, keep doing it to support the game?
And seeing a hot mess that is Neverwinter pardon me if I am not really sold on Cryptic's staff competence.
You can only speak for it being a tiny problem for you...and...as to why that would be a tiny problem for you, you would be the only one potentially able to answer that question.
1. its 5$ for EACH ship
2. there are more than enough players which have to upgrade 20-30 ships
3. the dilithium-zen transfer rates have become so incredible high that its getting pretty expensive to upgrade (1 Zen used to cost ~80dil when Season 7 was released... now we are hitting rates of 1:200)
I have 31 ships that require to be upgraded.
31x5$ = 155$
So cryptic forces me to pay 155$ so i can upgrade my ships and probably still have a chance in PVP after season 10.
OR
I grind enough Dilithium to play the costs
31 ships * 500 Zen * an optimistic rate of 200dil (for 1 Zen)
Ok thats grinding 3,1 mio Dil in order to reach a state that I already had in season 9 (ships that can compete in PVP).
Season 10 actually means to lose performance compared to the top ships.
The upgrades we are forced to are only to restore the status quo.
USS Independence NX-91117-M
Shadow Raiders
I would agree but I could swallow say $5 for T5 > T6 upgrade.
As it stands it will be between $5-$10 for T5 > T5U upgrade, and T5U < T6.
And cheerleader squad is out in force to claim it's almost the same, it isn't and it can't be.
Besides how many would spend money on ships with a disclaimer tag "can become obsolete or require more money to upgrade at any time"?
Heck even paper cups for hot beverages have disclaimers on them to be safe, apparently here it is not needed.