okay, so I've been reading only a portion of this thread, but I've read enough to gather one big thing from most of the people not liking this: They're thinking competitively.
It's been stated that unless you plan on spending time doing what will be the future PvE queued events (those only accessible at Level 60), or possibly PvP, There is going to be no need to upgrade just to do the delta quadrant storyline.
Exactly. Why don't we start complaining that there's whole builds dedicated to completing No Win Scenario?
Another thing that is driving me nuts with this thread is that people are still considering the Tier 5.9 ships (how I actually feel about them since they aren't going to be 100% tier 6) as being inferior at the end because they don't have an extra boff slot. Come on, this is about the same level as people complaining about the Gal-X not being a true Dreadnought.
Think about this, if Upgraded Tier 5 ships get the special boff seat and the trait from the ship mastery, there would be no point in buying the Tier 6 ships, since the former things are part of the gimmick that makes them worth selling. Just as C-store ships have some console that makes them worth purchasing.
Again, exactly. It is not necessary to purchase anything. But it's there if you really want it. Also, who's to say that the HYBoffs don't do ground? All the hype is on space, but that doesn't mean they're unusable if you don't purchase a T6 ship.
Oh, that's a relief, so if I don't play half the game I'll be just fine. Great.
Isn't that bit optimistic? I can't see cryptic doubling the size of STO just with new elite PVE's....
In any case using a T5 fleet ship will probably still be a perfectly acceptable option with DR much like using, oh, a Mirror ship doesn't lock you out of elite content now.
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The game requires money, if you want to play you will have to spend a few dollars here and there. The STO player base has to be the poorest and laziest. I imagine most sto players refer to breathing as a grind.
First of all, yes, this is a business first, and as stated by numerous devs, it all comes down to making money. Not the fans, not the players, not even for love or respect of the IP. Money is what they care about.
my issue here isn't that they want to make money, but that they're making it so we have to pay multiple times to play the same ship i've already paid for. My point is that they're doing something that they said they wouldn't be doing, when people first started pointing out that they were going to try pulling TRIBBLE like this.
For being based on the concept of a money free society that evolved passed greed long ago, Cryptic sure seems intent on squeezing every last drop they can out of people. To make matters worse, the quality just isn't there to make up for the amount they're asking. How many missions are broken still? How many either play the wrong audio, or have the audio keep playing long after the mission ends? How many ships still have huge visual errors or balancing problems? How many open uniforms have people bought or earned only to find out that Cryptic didn't even bother to finish the skin assets to be more than a head only? How come they keep adding cheap attacks and defenses rather than doing anything to make Elite mode actually more challenging rather than too cheap to bother?
I honestly don't think there is a single ship here that is worth more than $20, so to have to spend more than that, only to spend again to upgrade, only to have to spend more after that, just to keep your ship in peak form seems like a low blow. Something that Cryptic seems all to comfortable doing to it's customers and the star trek fans.
Yes, Cryptic is a business, and Yes, they need to make money, but they're only hurting themselves by going about it in the cheapest way possible. There are so many better ways for them to make money. There are so many ways that the players are telling Cryptic how to take their money. But in the end, Cryptic doesn't listen and they go for the fastest easiest route, even though it's hurting more than it's helping. Hell, if they put the amount of love and respect into this game as so many of them claim to have, people would hand them money for no reason other than to just show support. When you have something as great as Star Trek or Star Wars, people will literally give you money just to support something they love. And rather than reciprocate that, Cryptic and Bioware exploit that to make cheap cash instead of quality products.
They're going to need to add the extra Boff seating to the T5-U ships to make them worth while. The unique "specialist" Boff and ship trait as well as the new design of the T6 ships are quite enough to distinguish them from the rest of the pack. but the T5-U upgrades, they aren't up to par with how they're currently being addressed. They need that little bit more, like an extra Lt Boff slot, doesn't need to be a specialist.
my general feeling is that I will upgrade my Fleet Mogh and Vesta, not at once, but at seperate times because I budgeting things out first. Second, it is not anyone's concern (as I'm sure someone will make a statement of omg your supporting cryptic by upgrading) how I spend the money that I earn.
I will say I wasn't surprised to see the zen list. I was surprised to see the lockbox ships get freebies.
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I'm not terribly interested in people paying Cryptic more money to upgrade a T5 ship at a cost of $5-10 on top of whatever they already paid for said ship. I do have concern for those flagship captains out there though. What becomes of the Scimitar/Bortas/Oddy once this rolls out? Are they going to create a T6 flagship that is superior to them with the same or advanced firepower that takes advantage the new system? If not, then what's the purpose of having arguably the most versatile/powerful ships in the game (in the right hands of course) if its going to be gimped in a manner of speaking versus T6 ships? Again, not really interested in seeing people get screwed over because of Cryptic's game plan here. I personally have already paid my dues as it were considering Cryptic is losing money on my membership anyway. I've been playing since November of 2009 when beta was barely that, and I bought the lifetime sub before launch. With all the stipends I've received over those 54 months, they're now paying me to play since the break even point for what I paid was 40 months. I could easily afford the upgrades they are proposing since it's their money that would be paying for them, but as I said, I really don't like the idea of others having to pay to upgrade their ship to be on par with the lastest and greatest.
Well, I guess us naysayers had it right. Pay to upgrade to T5U which is missing critical features. No way Jose!
Told ya so. this is EXACTLY or damn near what I predicted. And most were saying "no they won't do that to our tier 5 ships."
pffftttt.
And my reply was which I never got an answer "then what's the point of having a tier 6 ship?" Now we know.
So again, told ya so!
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Oh wait, this isn't a joke ? (insert random Star Trek facepalm meme here).
Anyway, you said my T5 ship will not be obsolete. Care to explain why the ones I bought with fleet marks only will not be upgraded, and thus be made obsolete ?
Anyway, paying to upgrade my ships, and still having them inferior to the others ships ? Lol. Now I understand why you waited to drop this bomb. I would laugh because it's quite funny, but I'm not in the mood right now. Mostly because I'll have some obsolete ships from now on. Ships I paid.
I won't spend anything more on this game. Buy another ship that will be made obsolete soon enough because you are making another cash grab ? I'm no cow. Thank you very much.
On the other hand, I never have to pay anything to repay my gear on LOTRO everytime there is a new lvl cap. In fact, I didn't have to pay for it in the first place.
the issue it that we are getting tired of being ignored. My fleet has 2 lifers in it. both have been here since beta. and out of all their ships only one the vet ship is free and several are not even upgradeable. It was bad enough when we saw the look of the fed T6 cruiser but now have tons of them fly around after spending potentially years working on a ship to now have it be completely useless. This upgrade as made all previous ships now like the Galaxy Retro. I even chated with a guy on another game that's browers base and he says that this isn't the first time PWE has done something like this. They feel the game is all but done so they milk it for as much money as possible before it sinks. Never mind their actions cause it to sink earilier then it would otehrwise.
Upgrading is not only common to MMOs, not only common to video games, but is common in general...it's almost everywhere in life.
Two years tends to be the standard timeframe in many MMOs. Two years ago, Cryptic introduced the Fleet ships...which were a paid upgrade, right? Two years later, they've introduced another. It's not much different than what you see in most MMOs out there. Things get upgraded and there is a cost involved.
Say you're looking at a subscription game...you spend two years grinding up stuff, paying $15 a month for those two years. That's $360 from subscription costs alone. Then you add in a $50-60 expansion you have to buy. Then two years later...tada...you do it again.
And again, two years ago we got the Fleet ships as well as the influx of Lock Box/Lobi ships started.
You're a LTS...awesome...guess what, though? You're getting what you paid for. Depending on how long you've been a LTS, Cryptic is even losing money on you. It doesn't change that with expansions/upgrades that there are going to be new costs.
Hell, Cryptic's doing more than what many companies do to try to ease that transition for the expansion. Many companies leave you high and dry or have major costs involved.
If this game was fair then we'd be allowed to upgrade ALL our ships to T6. If we want the new shiny T6 then by all means we would purchase them. Since they wana make money, they pretend their being generous and give us T5-U, which is close to T6, but not close enough.
what is the general feeling about paying zen to upgrade your ship i am lucky in that most of my ships are lobi ships or lock box ships but for those people who have to pay zen to upgrade there ships i dont think will be to happy
how about you guys will you pay to upgrade your ship or not and do you feel cyrptic are being unfair
All lockbox and lobi ships get the free upgrade. Pfew! That means the majority of my ships are covered!
As for the rest, a litte Zen is okay, honestly. I was getting seriously worried Geko would just totally TRIBBLE us over, and offer no upgrade-path at all. The way they did it, truly, feels like an equitable and fair solution to me.
Y'know, all the people complaining about having to pay a little more ZEN to upgrade their ships are kinda pissing me off. You paid for a T5 ship with the advertised capabilities. You got exactly what you paid for. Now Cryptic is offering a chance to give your ship additional capabilities BEYOND WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY PAID FOR, and you're complaining that they want you to pay for those new abilities. Talk about entitled. You get what you pay for, period. And this is coming from an F2P player who's sunk over $300 into various ships for all three factions and is perfectly willing to shell out a few bucks to get the additional parts. What you guys are doing is roughly equivalent to buying a new car, then taking it back when the next model year is released and demanding that the dealership give you the new one for free, or just throw in a bunch of extras you never paid for like satellite radio and heated seats.
Good question. Here's the breakdown on Fleet ships. Right now, Fleet Ships offer +1 console slot, +10% Hull HP and +10% Shield HP over a standard T5 ship. If you were to upgrade a Fleet Ship to T5-U, it would gain all the benefits mentioned:
-Bonus scaling HP
-Starship Mastery passive abilities
-+1 Console Slot
The short answer to your question is no. They will have 10% better shield and hull than the non-fleet T5-U variant and have +1 console slot.
While we're at it, is the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit finally going to get its 10% shield modifier boost BEFORE we upgrade it to a T5-U? It's the only Fleet ship to not get this bonus, but still costs as much as other Fleet ships.
First of all, yes, this is a business first, and as stated by numerous devs, it all comes down to making money. Not the fans, not the players, not even for love or respect of the IP. Money is what they care about.
my issue here isn't that they want to make money, but that they're making it so we have to pay multiple times to play the same ship i've already paid for. My point is that they're doing something that they said they wouldn't be doing, when people first started pointing out that they were going to try pulling TRIBBLE like this.
They're not making you do it. It's optional, as the store has always been, as the fleet ships have always been. As was pointed out, the mirror ships (lv 40) are still viable in STFs and PvE everywhere.
For being based on the concept of a money free society that evolved passed greed long ago, Cryptic sure seems intent on squeezing every last drop they can out of people. To make matters worse, the quality just isn't there to make up for the amount they're asking. How many missions are broken still? How many either play the wrong audio, or have the audio keep playing long after the mission ends? How many ships still have huge visual errors or balancing problems? How many open uniforms have people bought or earned only to find out that Cryptic didn't even bother to finish the skin assets to be more than a head only? How come they keep adding cheap attacks and defenses rather than doing anything to make Elite mode actually more challenging rather than too cheap to bother?
I honestly don't think there is a single ship here that is worth more than $20, so to have to spend more than that, only to spend again to upgrade, only to have to spend more after that, just to keep your ship in peak form seems like a low blow. Something that Cryptic seems all to comfortable doing to it's customers and the star trek fans.
Yes, Cryptic is a business, and Yes, they need to make money, but they're only hurting themselves by going about it in the cheapest way possible. There are so many better ways for them to make money. There are so many ways that the players are telling Cryptic how to take their money. But in the end, Cryptic doesn't listen and they go for the fastest easiest route, even though it's hurting more than it's helping. Hell, if they put the amount of love and respect into this game as so many of them claim to have, people would hand them money for no reason other than to just show support. When you have something as great as Star Trek or Star Wars, people will literally give you money just to support something they love. And rather than reciprocate that, Cryptic and Bioware exploit that to make cheap cash instead of quality products.
Propose a solution that benefits everyone. I challenge everyone with a complaint to do that. People talk of longevity of the game. And then how tight their wallets are because they don't want to support the game. Come up with solutions. You want to give feedback, give them something they can USE. Maybe they don't listen because you're not saying anything.
Not sure why you're so upset...you usually only cry when folks make fun of how bad you are at the game...hrmmm.
edit: And lol, I guess somebody should point out how bad you're at reading too - cause if you read what you quoted...well, you wouldn't have said the rest that you did. /shrug
Y'know, all the people complaining about having to pay a little more ZEN to upgrade their ships are kinda pissing me off. You paid for a T5 ship with the advertised capabilities. You got exactly what you paid for. Now Cryptic is offering a chance to give your ship additional capabilities BEYOND WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY PAID FOR, and you're complaining that they want you to pay for those new abilities. Talk about entitled. You get what you pay for, period. And this is coming from an F2P player who's sunk over $300 into various ships for all three factions and is perfectly willing to shell out a few bucks to get the additional parts. What you guys are doing is roughly equivalent to buying a new car, then taking it back when the next model year is released and demanding that the dealership give you the new one for free, or just throw in a bunch of extras you never paid for like satellite radio and heated seats.
I wouldn't mind paying to have the same quality than a t6. But we won't. Re-read the blog if you missed it.
one other thing about the upgrades some ships like the T5 Brel and fleet Brel are already short a boff seat for their Tier level by not giving an extra boff seat with the upgrade for them they are going to still be extremely outclassed by everything. make it easy just make us the large bird of prey the KDF has been asking for and let it be a full fledged T6 ship that way we will spend the money to buy it. get the upgrades we need. and retain the iconic look most of the KDF love. shouldnt even cost much or take long to do . just use the B'rel . change a few stats and save it all as a new ship and take our money from us with a smile on both our faces.
T6 Klingon k'vort for the win. please not some dyson ship clone.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
I wouldn't mind paying to have the same quality than a t6. But we won't. Re-read the blog if you missed it.
Paying to have a subpar ship ? Lol.
Point out where a T5-U11 is subpar to a T6 ship based on the information currently available in the two blogs?
Cause so far, they've failed to give a reason for anybody to buy a T6 ship. Sure, those blogs will probably be out next week and beyond...but so far...I mean, based on what the two blogs (along with dev comments in the thread) have said - no idea where you're getting your conclusion from.
For me it's had a full on impact. I feel the model is too cash intensive for me. I'm gone. I feel like I wasted money on the game, because of how this is being done. But I'm in the minority. For the majority though, you're going to see a dip in sales of the T5 ships and fleet modules.
Kinda ironic considering the 'we don't charge for any content' model eh? Oh how I abhor it's effect on development.
Point out where a T5-U11 is subpar to a T6 ship based on the information currently available in the two blogs?
Cause so far, they've failed to give a reason for anybody to buy a T6 ship. Sure, those blogs will probably be out next week and beyond...but so far...I mean, based on what the two blogs (along with dev comments in the thread) have said - no idea where you're getting your conclusion from.
The main reason, even if you like other ships, would be the ability to grind out the Traits, much like we currently use T1-4 ships for their consoles and ship costume unlocks. Clever, really, but as for the rest I took their little comparison table and added it to my signature
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Not sure why you're so upset...you usually only cry when folks make fun of how bad you are at the game...hrmmm.
I just have the most avid dislike of you and the way you talk down to everybody, thinking you are the most intelligent person in the entire universe.
The way you have the cheek to call people out for legitimate complaints, belittling everybody that doesn't nod to your opinions, is pretty vile in my opinion.
Bad at the game? I can get 17k overall dps in space. Eh, I find it pretty okey. Sure its not a 40k+ Scimitar build, but meh.
I would not want to be you even if it meant 1740k DPS. I would rather be bad at the game than to have as big a mean streak as you do.
Point out where a T5-U11 is subpar to a T6 ship based on the information currently available in the two blogs?
Cause so far, they've failed to give a reason for anybody to buy a T6 ship. Sure, those blogs will probably be out next week and beyond...but so far...I mean, based on what the two blogs (along with dev comments in the thread) have said - no idea where you're getting your conclusion from.
You must have forgot the part about the entirely new (Secret) Bridge Officer type, which you can find more about with google. Which I'm sure will be suitable awesome/powerful/cool/gamechanging.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Well, there used to be a day when they were at least making some effort to make game-affecting items obtainable by in-game means. That eroded a lot with the event of 'Fleet Modules' and now it seems to be gone entirely.
I can see offering the upgrades for Zen, but I feel very strongly that they should also be available/obtainable by in-game means as well.
I'm also rather upset that they aren't offering any upgrade path for 'non-retrofit' T5 ships. My Orion flies Birds of Prey, and with the only BoP retrofit ever made being the B'rel, I still fly the Hegh'ta Heavy BoP. Now there's simply no avenue to upgrade my end-game BoP of choice, paid or otherwise. :mad:
Upgrading is not only common to MMOs, not only common to video games, but is common in general...it's almost everywhere in life.
Two years tends to be the standard timeframe in many MMOs. Two years ago, Cryptic introduced the Fleet ships...which were a paid upgrade, right? Two years later, they've introduced another. It's not much different than what you see in most MMOs out there. Things get upgraded and there is a cost involved.
Say you're looking at a subscription game...you spend two years grinding up stuff, paying $15 a month for those two years. That's $360 from subscription costs alone. Then you add in a $50-60 expansion you have to buy. Then two years later...tada...you do it again.
And again, two years ago we got the Fleet ships as well as the influx of Lock Box/Lobi ships started.
You're a LTS...awesome...guess what, though? You're getting what you paid for. Depending on how long you've been a LTS, Cryptic is even losing money on you. It doesn't change that with expansions/upgrades that there are going to be new costs.
Hell, Cryptic's doing more than what many companies do to try to ease that transition for the expansion. Many companies leave you high and dry or have major costs involved.
I'm not a lifer. two guys in my fleet are. and ther issue is paying for another fleet module worth in zen for in the end a ship that will still pale in comapriosn to a T6 ship. a t 6 ship not many like. basically our fleet and T 5 ships are like T 3 ships and can uprade to a free T4 ship but no match for a 5.5 ship. so we wasted all our money on ships that are now rendered obsolete after working for weeks, sometimes YEARS on them.
There are legitimate thoughts to be given here about the T5Us. I'll reiterate that I think they need the 13th boff ability to truly reach any semblance of competitiveness with the T6 ships.
That said, it's harder to make this case when we yell and scream at each other.
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The extra BOff slots not really bothering me, as its been stated that not all T6 ships will have the special BOff slot.
I'm kinda concerned with a few things such as how they will address upgraded Fleet ships, as Fleet ships are only character purchases and not unlocks, yet they've stated that upgrades are account wide for that ship type. Also... What about regular vs Fleet? Do we have to upgrade a Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit seperately from an Assault Cruiser Refit?
And what about those of us still flying the retired Fleet Patrol Escort?
I do like the idea of being able to upgrade the ships we have if we're not interested in a T6 design though.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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The main reason, even if you like other ships, would be the ability to grind out the Traits, much like we currently use T1-4 ships for their consoles and ship costume unlocks. Clever, really, but as for the rest I took their little comparison table and added it to my signature
As stated in the blog, you in fact DO receive the traits for the first four levels. While you are in your T5U, you recieve the bonuses unlocked in that ship. So four passives, just like the T6. The difference is the T6 has one more level to unlock. Once that is completed, you now have a slotable (only four slots to fill) trait, which is carried to any ship you pilot. So jump back in your T5U and voila, you've got yer T6 level 5 trait!
So if that's your main reason, I guess you'll need to decide if you like the looks of the ship before you buy it
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Exactly. Why don't we start complaining that there's whole builds dedicated to completing No Win Scenario?
Again, exactly. It is not necessary to purchase anything. But it's there if you really want it. Also, who's to say that the HYBoffs don't do ground? All the hype is on space, but that doesn't mean they're unusable if you don't purchase a T6 ship.
Isn't that bit optimistic? I can't see cryptic doubling the size of STO just with new elite PVE's....
In any case using a T5 fleet ship will probably still be a perfectly acceptable option with DR much like using, oh, a Mirror ship doesn't lock you out of elite content now.
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First of all, yes, this is a business first, and as stated by numerous devs, it all comes down to making money. Not the fans, not the players, not even for love or respect of the IP. Money is what they care about.
my issue here isn't that they want to make money, but that they're making it so we have to pay multiple times to play the same ship i've already paid for. My point is that they're doing something that they said they wouldn't be doing, when people first started pointing out that they were going to try pulling TRIBBLE like this.
For being based on the concept of a money free society that evolved passed greed long ago, Cryptic sure seems intent on squeezing every last drop they can out of people. To make matters worse, the quality just isn't there to make up for the amount they're asking. How many missions are broken still? How many either play the wrong audio, or have the audio keep playing long after the mission ends? How many ships still have huge visual errors or balancing problems? How many open uniforms have people bought or earned only to find out that Cryptic didn't even bother to finish the skin assets to be more than a head only? How come they keep adding cheap attacks and defenses rather than doing anything to make Elite mode actually more challenging rather than too cheap to bother?
I honestly don't think there is a single ship here that is worth more than $20, so to have to spend more than that, only to spend again to upgrade, only to have to spend more after that, just to keep your ship in peak form seems like a low blow. Something that Cryptic seems all to comfortable doing to it's customers and the star trek fans.
Yes, Cryptic is a business, and Yes, they need to make money, but they're only hurting themselves by going about it in the cheapest way possible. There are so many better ways for them to make money. There are so many ways that the players are telling Cryptic how to take their money. But in the end, Cryptic doesn't listen and they go for the fastest easiest route, even though it's hurting more than it's helping. Hell, if they put the amount of love and respect into this game as so many of them claim to have, people would hand them money for no reason other than to just show support. When you have something as great as Star Trek or Star Wars, people will literally give you money just to support something they love. And rather than reciprocate that, Cryptic and Bioware exploit that to make cheap cash instead of quality products.
I will say I wasn't surprised to see the zen list. I was surprised to see the lockbox ships get freebies.
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Told ya so. this is EXACTLY or damn near what I predicted. And most were saying "no they won't do that to our tier 5 ships."
pffftttt.
And my reply was which I never got an answer "then what's the point of having a tier 6 ship?" Now we know.
So again, told ya so!
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Oh wait, this isn't a joke ? (insert random Star Trek facepalm meme here).
Anyway, you said my T5 ship will not be obsolete. Care to explain why the ones I bought with fleet marks only will not be upgraded, and thus be made obsolete ?
Anyway, paying to upgrade my ships, and still having them inferior to the others ships ? Lol. Now I understand why you waited to drop this bomb. I would laugh because it's quite funny, but I'm not in the mood right now. Mostly because I'll have some obsolete ships from now on. Ships I paid.
I won't spend anything more on this game. Buy another ship that will be made obsolete soon enough because you are making another cash grab ? I'm no cow. Thank you very much.
On the other hand, I never have to pay anything to repay my gear on LOTRO everytime there is a new lvl cap. In fact, I didn't have to pay for it in the first place.
Upgrading is not only common to MMOs, not only common to video games, but is common in general...it's almost everywhere in life.
Two years tends to be the standard timeframe in many MMOs. Two years ago, Cryptic introduced the Fleet ships...which were a paid upgrade, right? Two years later, they've introduced another. It's not much different than what you see in most MMOs out there. Things get upgraded and there is a cost involved.
Say you're looking at a subscription game...you spend two years grinding up stuff, paying $15 a month for those two years. That's $360 from subscription costs alone. Then you add in a $50-60 expansion you have to buy. Then two years later...tada...you do it again.
And again, two years ago we got the Fleet ships as well as the influx of Lock Box/Lobi ships started.
You're a LTS...awesome...guess what, though? You're getting what you paid for. Depending on how long you've been a LTS, Cryptic is even losing money on you. It doesn't change that with expansions/upgrades that there are going to be new costs.
Hell, Cryptic's doing more than what many companies do to try to ease that transition for the expansion. Many companies leave you high and dry or have major costs involved.
All lockbox and lobi ships get the free upgrade. Pfew! That means the majority of my ships are covered!
As for the rest, a litte Zen is okay, honestly. I was getting seriously worried Geko would just totally TRIBBLE us over, and offer no upgrade-path at all. The way they did it, truly, feels like an equitable and fair solution to me.
While we're at it, is the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit finally going to get its 10% shield modifier boost BEFORE we upgrade it to a T5-U? It's the only Fleet ship to not get this bonus, but still costs as much as other Fleet ships.
They're not making you do it. It's optional, as the store has always been, as the fleet ships have always been. As was pointed out, the mirror ships (lv 40) are still viable in STFs and PvE everywhere.
I agree with bug fixing. I hate bugs.
Propose a solution that benefits everyone. I challenge everyone with a complaint to do that. People talk of longevity of the game. And then how tight their wallets are because they don't want to support the game. Come up with solutions. You want to give feedback, give them something they can USE. Maybe they don't listen because you're not saying anything.
Not sure why you're so upset...you usually only cry when folks make fun of how bad you are at the game...hrmmm.
edit: And lol, I guess somebody should point out how bad you're at reading too - cause if you read what you quoted...well, you wouldn't have said the rest that you did. /shrug
Paying to have a subpar ship ? Lol.
T6 Klingon k'vort for the win. please not some dyson ship clone.
Point out where a T5-U11 is subpar to a T6 ship based on the information currently available in the two blogs?
Cause so far, they've failed to give a reason for anybody to buy a T6 ship. Sure, those blogs will probably be out next week and beyond...but so far...I mean, based on what the two blogs (along with dev comments in the thread) have said - no idea where you're getting your conclusion from.
Kinda ironic considering the 'we don't charge for any content' model eh? Oh how I abhor it's effect on development.
The main reason, even if you like other ships, would be the ability to grind out the Traits, much like we currently use T1-4 ships for their consoles and ship costume unlocks. Clever, really, but as for the rest I took their little comparison table and added it to my signature
I just have the most avid dislike of you and the way you talk down to everybody, thinking you are the most intelligent person in the entire universe.
The way you have the cheek to call people out for legitimate complaints, belittling everybody that doesn't nod to your opinions, is pretty vile in my opinion.
Bad at the game? I can get 17k overall dps in space. Eh, I find it pretty okey. Sure its not a 40k+ Scimitar build, but meh.
I would not want to be you even if it meant 1740k DPS. I would rather be bad at the game than to have as big a mean streak as you do.
You must have forgot the part about the entirely new (Secret) Bridge Officer type, which you can find more about with google. Which I'm sure will be suitable awesome/powerful/cool/gamechanging.
I can see offering the upgrades for Zen, but I feel very strongly that they should also be available/obtainable by in-game means as well.
I'm also rather upset that they aren't offering any upgrade path for 'non-retrofit' T5 ships. My Orion flies Birds of Prey, and with the only BoP retrofit ever made being the B'rel, I still fly the Hegh'ta Heavy BoP. Now there's simply no avenue to upgrade my end-game BoP of choice, paid or otherwise. :mad:
I'm not a lifer. two guys in my fleet are. and ther issue is paying for another fleet module worth in zen for in the end a ship that will still pale in comapriosn to a T6 ship. a t 6 ship not many like. basically our fleet and T 5 ships are like T 3 ships and can uprade to a free T4 ship but no match for a 5.5 ship. so we wasted all our money on ships that are now rendered obsolete after working for weeks, sometimes YEARS on them.
There are legitimate thoughts to be given here about the T5Us. I'll reiterate that I think they need the 13th boff ability to truly reach any semblance of competitiveness with the T6 ships.
That said, it's harder to make this case when we yell and scream at each other.
Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
I'm kinda concerned with a few things such as how they will address upgraded Fleet ships, as Fleet ships are only character purchases and not unlocks, yet they've stated that upgrades are account wide for that ship type. Also... What about regular vs Fleet? Do we have to upgrade a Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit seperately from an Assault Cruiser Refit?
And what about those of us still flying the retired Fleet Patrol Escort?
I do like the idea of being able to upgrade the ships we have if we're not interested in a T6 design though.
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As stated in the blog, you in fact DO receive the traits for the first four levels. While you are in your T5U, you recieve the bonuses unlocked in that ship. So four passives, just like the T6. The difference is the T6 has one more level to unlock. Once that is completed, you now have a slotable (only four slots to fill) trait, which is carried to any ship you pilot. So jump back in your T5U and voila, you've got yer T6 level 5 trait!
So if that's your main reason, I guess you'll need to decide if you like the looks of the ship before you buy it