Hence the different font. That makes it an obvious EDIT tag. But as for all the other Lockbox/Lobi ships, exactly like any military or legal issue, ALWAYS get it in writing. If it not in written form, it does not exist.
I was just making sure they knew it was an edit - not just emphasising the point about the no cost upgrade to T6 specs as it could be read as by someone only seeing it for the first time.
I'd be really, really sorry if I had to ditch my Heavy Escort Carrier because I love just about everything about it.
I know the feeling. As is, the Jem'Hadar Escort Carrier actually has more shields and hull than even the Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier. What if that gets outclassed too?
They explicitly said they weren't switching over to F2P too - less than 48 hours before the announcement - to the point of banning people for claiming it
Remind me again why I should take anything they say at face value, positive or negative
Do you really think they won't just make the lockbox ships automatically be T6? If they don't, the sales of the old boxes will dump, and those are the game's cash cow. As any farmer will tell you, you don't go out and shoot your cash cow while she can still give milk.
people, especially companies do things that turn out to be stupid moves all the time. Case in point: I once had a stepdad who was hired into a government position as the captain of one of those small transport ferries on the west coast. He couldn't tell port from starboard and always wore two different dress shoes with his uniform - one had neon red laces and the other neon green. I found all this out one morning when I asked him why he wore such bizarre shoes
Point is people do stupid things all the time. You'd be surprised
Right, but that also holds true for what everyone's being paranoid about. If you're gonna think one thing might not be true, why not the rest of it? Hell, by the logic of not believing about what they say, why should we believe that we're getting an expansion at all, let alone tier 6 ships?
Cherry picking isn't a logical approach.
Are you seriously questioning his logic (and he is quite correct btw) after making a bizarre and paranoid statement like that? I would think twice about calling someone elses logic out after a statement like that
Originally Posted by ragnar0x View Post
So with this all new t6 abilities they are saying t5 ships are becoming obsolete. thx to know that.
No they're not.
Do you fly a T4 ship at endgame T5?
I thought not. They specifically stated they will not be equal to T6. They are not in the same tier. Basic logic says they are going to be obselete - that is the entire concept of having multiple tiers in the first place
Pessimism can only go so far before it turns irrational.
And nothing he said was irrational. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Remember that
Fox News has nothing to do with Cryptic, nor does one example apply to the other thing. You've made no correlation between the two.
actually it does. clearly you didn't get the point he was getting at
Can you actually put up an argument instead of ad hominems? I'm more than willing to change my mind if sufficient evidence is presented to me.
he asked a legitimate question. there was no attack. and that WAS sufficient evidence
So far Cryptic has not lied about anything. You could argue they talked about the possibility of X or Y, but in the past 2 years they have delivered on most of what they have planned to do.
Their past history is littered with incidents of us being lied to. Why should they be taken at their word anymore? actions speak louder than words
So my attitude is until Crytic spills the beans, I won't' mention the beans comes in multiple styles and flavours.
blue m&m, red m&m, yello m&m...they all ened up the same color in the end right
There are a few details that might need a better explanation:
Starship Mastery is only for T6 ships, while the Starship-Traits that are unlocked by Starship-Mastery are buffing all Starships. This would mean that you need to own a T6 starship to get the Traits. Sounds a little like pay2win, or at least pay to get the grind started.
Another point about Starship-Mastery is that it is applied only to that one ship. If you are using compareable ships - like 2 Scimitar-Variants (I'm just missing an T6 example of a starship-bundle) - one for PvE and the other for PvP, then you've got to do twice the grind to level-up Starship-Mastery.
But this example would only work, if the T6-compareable level (T6-Upgrades) of a starship was able to gain points in Starship-Mastery.
While we know that the Jem'Hadar Attack-Ship will be upgradeable to T6 for free (see Promotion-Article in the News-Section), what's about all the other Lobi-/Lockbox-Ships? Thinking about the Attack-Ship as the first Lockbox-Ship (when the System was introduced during the first Winter-Event), it would be only logical that all Lobi-/Lockbox-Ships should get an upgrade for free.
But there are also Grind-Ships, like the Chel Grett, the Risaian Corvett and so on, that should receive an Upgrade for free (it would be logical).
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
If Star Trek Online was an Open-Source (GPL) Game, we would have a low-grind fork.
They explicitly said they weren't switching over to F2P too - less than 48 hours before the announcement - to the point of banning people for claiming it
Remind me again why I should take anything they say at face value, positive or negative
Are you taking their claim that we're getting tier 6 ships at all at face value?
Main thing I see about this blog is a lack of clarity on just how many slots do the T6 ships get - 10 or 11? Also we will likely need another ship slot due to the fact that we always got ship slots when we reached the next tier of ships so we didnt have to keep discharging other ships we had come accustomed to.
My other comment with this is somewhat double edged. Previously we had an incentive to buy new ships from the store as we could discharge and recommission ships at will due to us having limited ship slots. With ships now gaining xp we will likley be having to treat store ships like lobi/lockbox ships which cannot be reclaimed as progress would be lost if we do. Is this purely down to trying to boost the market for ship slots? Certainly discourages buying packs of ships though. (solution: make store ships come with their own slots maybe?)
Overall verdict so far: This game is pushing me away from it as I have to play it more and more casually due to not having a huge allowance to spend on it each month.
Wow never seen so much worry in one thread before, you guys are going to be greyer than me, but at least mine is down to age LOL.
Relax and enjoy anticipation, it's good to have something to look forward to. My personal opinion is that all lockbox and lobi ships will have either an upgrade path to full T6 or will indeed like the JHAS be upgraded automatically, anything less than either of these two options is commercial suicide.
But we don't know that the JHAS is going to be full T6. Cryptic left themselves all sorts of wiggle room in what they said about the JHAS and T6 in that snippet in the promo blog.
We won't know until we know...no doubt, and no doubt Cryptic's aware of the concerns...but some folks are really attached to their ships in a way the Connie folks never got the chance.
Wow never seen so much worry in one thread before, you guys are going to be greyer than me, but at least mine is down to age LOL.
Relax and enjoy anticipation, it's good to have something to look forward to. My personal opinion is that all lockbox and lobi ships will have either an upgrade path to full T6 or will indeed like the JHAS be upgraded automatically, anything less than either of these two options is commercial suicide.
Well, think about all the things they allready announced: Starship-Mastery (only real T6 and "bound to ship"), Starship-Traits (all ships, once unlocked on a T6 Ship), new redacted Boff classes (only for some T6 ships), Specialization (as you grind your way to Level 60) and a 9th Trait-Slot.
That's all power-creep and for the biggest part of it you need to have/use a T6 Ship, but at the beginnig of Delta Rising there will be only 7 to 10 T6 Ships, so maybe there's nothing that you might like.
And now you tell me that you are not worried about T6 Ships (except for the announced upgrade of the Jem'Hadar Attack-Ship)?!?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
If Star Trek Online was an Open-Source (GPL) Game, we would have a low-grind fork.
The differences certainly make for some worry.
If the T6's are so cleanly superior, and even needed to even allow a partial but not complete half-catch-up by fleet T5s and lockbox ships, then people do not really have a choice. They have "choices" but only in the strictest "I can get **** up the *** by Comcast or I can just go **** myself and have no internet" way.
Given how people treat (rightly) their ship and BOFF combinations, unlike the Fleet upgrades this is more akin to other MMOs flat out removing classes. "We decided not to bother allowing the Shaman to reach level 100 because **** you that's why", in a way.
While new models are certainly welcome, I do feel it would be wiser to have the 6th tier be applicable to existing ships much like fleet retrofits. As it stands now, it sounds like even the upgrades will only bring you back up to "T4 vs T5" when compared against a leveled and trait-equipped T6.
And that leaves a whole lot of people without a ship they want to or can viably continue to fly - not the best of developments for a game about ships!
-although actual upgrades would certainly be a good chance to make stuff like the shrapnel torpedo (maybe even into an actual torpedo) not completely and utterly worthless! Hey do Destabilizing Tetryon still do less to shields than standard tetryon?
Time for T6 fleet Vesta, that ship dont have fleet, refit, retrofit type so it must be T6 fleet in Delta Rising, no excuses dev's! (my wallet is waiting for your response)
The ships are ugly. Especially the federation ship. Just like the Dyson ships. What's going on in your brains? Your designer have no idea anymore? Why do you not take the ships from other Star Trek games? Like star trek armada etc. Just as Story, skill system, reputation system, laser dinosaurs, etc. You are star trek fans?
Shame on you. Execute for Incompetence.
Do you take an example to EVE online! They get a space MMO out. They even asteroid fields that you can farm. And a skill system which provides the STO far in the shadow. Entire planetary systems on a map. Space stations with which one can act. Better reputation system for races and sub-races. Better crafting, a functioning Exchange.
Should I go on?
Take a look at some things, trim on star trek, and copy down here. And you rest long!
If you carry on business as usual, then you have not much to laugh one day.
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The language used throughout encourages me towards optimism that some existing tier 5 ships will get the upgrades. Increasing hull points and starship mastery is simple enough to add to existing ships as well as new, and their phrasing about 'not all ships' having acess to the new specialist Boffs sounds like that might be almost the only feature upgrading ships don't get it. Although I wonder if it's a direct reference to the currently over-powered Scimitar, while the under-powered Oddyssey might get access as part of a rebalancing act.
Overall, more optimistic than I was. However, while the new features sound nice, I won't be leaving my Oddyssey behind just to get them on another ship. Certainly not on the new Federation cruiser, which seems to lack any Federation design ethic.
Remember, each "tick" of rarity = one mark level. Mk X Green = Mk XI white, for example. Therefore, all Mk XII ultraviolets (the ultra rare fleet level stuff) = Mk XIV blues. Rep stuff is Mk XIV Green. Enjoy...
(shill mode off)
Until the official update posts, we can only speculate on what's gonna happen. This is what I'm seeing as the T5 -> T5.9 (variant nickname for the upgraded but not quite fully T6 starships):
1. Cannot begin upgrade process till L60.
2. Will have "final" T6 grade hull, 11th console, extra BOff seat.
3. After grinding 4 levels in an actual T6, you can apply that starship trait.
4. Universal seats will probably seat that "redacted" BOff, as they're a mix of the new powers and traditional powers.
5. Mastery will be the "reserved to full on T6s" trick.
There's a 50% chance that the remainder of the actual lockbox prizes being upped to full-on T6 level due to bug ship receiving that treatment, 25% chance for the Lobi and C-store pack variants (75% chance of the flagship Oddy / Bort / Scim, 50% chance of the Vesta, DSD & Kumari, 25% chance on the leftovers) and the current remaining fleet-level stuff = 0% chance, they'll get the 5.9 updates instead.
As far as the PR man's choice to let this one go first, and the "meaty" stuff (like how the upgrade process actually works) later reflects on me two things - only one of which probably truly applies:
1. Shill man was trained in "hype". Tell everyone about all the new toys early, so that people are gonna want said new toys (notice how many in here are already calling for Mastery/traits/growth on their existing T5s), and then tell you later how "competitiveness" will be attained but how you have to pay for the new toys to get that full on power level - which is, of course, marketing at it's "best", many will cave and pay because they've wanted said new toy for weeks now.
2. Due to exemplified boneheadedness already, said shill doesn't know what he's doing and borked the release schedule. Many "in the know" has said that new ship purchases are being withheld until such time as the upgrade path is released to see if it's "worth it", and he's deflecting the massive drop of C-store income (key and ship related) to the Devs (remember, our shill is a PWE person) - claiming that the upcoming C-store event will boost sales (the "they're in already, they'll buy" mantra)...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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If you aren't playing STO for the iconography, why play?
The iconography is the ONLY...ONLY...thing making this game "Star Trek". The gameplay hardly qualifies, with the non-stop shooting, killing and all out destruction. And the gameplay is far from the best any MMO has to offer.
So if not for the known variables of the ships and the uniforms, why aren't you playing EVE or something else?
Seriously, you didn't just say that. :rolleyes:
So, you are saying that people must play this game because it's Star Trek, not for any other reason? Who are you to tell other players how to play this game?
After ACTIVISION had the dispute with CBS, and the court negotiation. I don't think so, the copyright is by ACTIVISION. Apart from the aspect, which should surely be pleased the former developer that their jewelry be used.
I am still of the opinion that Cryptic should go to ACTIVISION / BLIZZARD, as with the ****ing Atari.
Atari has shattered STO. This is a fact! A sad fact!
PWE is precariously, but i think ACTIVISION / BLIZZARD is the better choice.
Here's a thought for you guys. This expansion has been in the works as far as we know since Season 8 released. Compared to LoR, Delta Rising has had 2 more months of full development. That being said, They're doing a lot more this time around it seems than LoR, so it makes sense that they're not finished with some systems yet.
There are 2 possible reasons why we don't have the upgrade information yet. They haven't finished the system yet and don't want a repeat of the crafting system or...
They do have it done, but one of the higher ups don't want them releasing it until they are scheduled to.
Keep in mind that there's three factions worth of tier V ships, plus the fleet versions, Lockbox and Lobi store ships and the limited time ships (Breen ships, Risian ships for example). In addition to whatever new ships are coming, they also have to do work on these ships. It's not as easy as you might think to just modify some stats to make them closer to tier 6. They also have to decide what they want to do to make them feel as close as possible to Tier 6 without taking away what makes Tier 6 unique.
Honest feedback, but if the tier 6 ships are getting an additional commander specialist boff slot, keeping in mind specialists can draw from the old pools and the new pools, then this is the most ridiculous power creep we've ever to have all those other upgrade ships not have the extra boff slot.
While I agree with the upgrade ships not getting the traits and other capstone stuff, I strongly disagree with them not getting the boff slot and new boff, at least on lockbox ships which as you well know are huge money sinks that people have put lots of resources into.
Q: If I unlock Starship Mastery passive powers on one ship category, do other ships within the same category have the passive powers unlocked?
A: Starship Mastery passive powers are unlocked on a per-ship basis. Since they represent a captain and crews affinity with the ship they must be unlocked for each ship you own.
Just wondering if mastery levels are retained if the ship is discarded and reclaimed by the same character?
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I was just making sure they knew it was an edit - not just emphasising the point about the no cost upgrade to T6 specs as it could be read as by someone only seeing it for the first time.
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They explicitly said they weren't switching over to F2P too - less than 48 hours before the announcement - to the point of banning people for claiming it
Remind me again why I should take anything they say at face value, positive or negative
people, especially companies do things that turn out to be stupid moves all the time. Case in point: I once had a stepdad who was hired into a government position as the captain of one of those small transport ferries on the west coast. He couldn't tell port from starboard and always wore two different dress shoes with his uniform - one had neon red laces and the other neon green. I found all this out one morning when I asked him why he wore such bizarre shoes
Point is people do stupid things all the time. You'd be surprised
Are you seriously questioning his logic (and he is quite correct btw) after making a bizarre and paranoid statement like that? I would think twice about calling someone elses logic out after a statement like that
Do you fly a T4 ship at endgame T5?
I thought not. They specifically stated they will not be equal to T6. They are not in the same tier. Basic logic says they are going to be obselete - that is the entire concept of having multiple tiers in the first place
And nothing he said was irrational. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Remember that
actually it does. clearly you didn't get the point he was getting at
he asked a legitimate question. there was no attack. and that WAS sufficient evidence
Their past history is littered with incidents of us being lied to. Why should they be taken at their word anymore? actions speak louder than words
blue m&m, red m&m, yello m&m...they all ened up the same color in the end right
Starship Mastery is only for T6 ships, while the Starship-Traits that are unlocked by Starship-Mastery are buffing all Starships. This would mean that you need to own a T6 starship to get the Traits. Sounds a little like pay2win, or at least pay to get the grind started.
Another point about Starship-Mastery is that it is applied only to that one ship. If you are using compareable ships - like 2 Scimitar-Variants (I'm just missing an T6 example of a starship-bundle) - one for PvE and the other for PvP, then you've got to do twice the grind to level-up Starship-Mastery.
But this example would only work, if the T6-compareable level (T6-Upgrades) of a starship was able to gain points in Starship-Mastery.
While we know that the Jem'Hadar Attack-Ship will be upgradeable to T6 for free (see Promotion-Article in the News-Section), what's about all the other Lobi-/Lockbox-Ships? Thinking about the Attack-Ship as the first Lockbox-Ship (when the System was introduced during the first Winter-Event), it would be only logical that all Lobi-/Lockbox-Ships should get an upgrade for free.
But there are also Grind-Ships, like the Chel Grett, the Risaian Corvett and so on, that should receive an Upgrade for free (it would be logical).
If Star Trek Online was an Open-Source (GPL) Game, we would have a low-grind fork.
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My other comment with this is somewhat double edged. Previously we had an incentive to buy new ships from the store as we could discharge and recommission ships at will due to us having limited ship slots. With ships now gaining xp we will likley be having to treat store ships like lobi/lockbox ships which cannot be reclaimed as progress would be lost if we do. Is this purely down to trying to boost the market for ship slots? Certainly discourages buying packs of ships though. (solution: make store ships come with their own slots maybe?)
Overall verdict so far: This game is pushing me away from it as I have to play it more and more casually due to not having a huge allowance to spend on it each month.
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
But we don't know that the JHAS is going to be full T6. Cryptic left themselves all sorts of wiggle room in what they said about the JHAS and T6 in that snippet in the promo blog.
We won't know until we know...no doubt, and no doubt Cryptic's aware of the concerns...but some folks are really attached to their ships in a way the Connie folks never got the chance.
Well, think about all the things they allready announced: Starship-Mastery (only real T6 and "bound to ship"), Starship-Traits (all ships, once unlocked on a T6 Ship), new redacted Boff classes (only for some T6 ships), Specialization (as you grind your way to Level 60) and a 9th Trait-Slot.
That's all power-creep and for the biggest part of it you need to have/use a T6 Ship, but at the beginnig of Delta Rising there will be only 7 to 10 T6 Ships, so maybe there's nothing that you might like.
And now you tell me that you are not worried about T6 Ships (except for the announced upgrade of the Jem'Hadar Attack-Ship)?!?
If Star Trek Online was an Open-Source (GPL) Game, we would have a low-grind fork.
If the T6's are so cleanly superior, and even needed to even allow a partial but not complete half-catch-up by fleet T5s and lockbox ships, then people do not really have a choice. They have "choices" but only in the strictest "I can get **** up the *** by Comcast or I can just go **** myself and have no internet" way.
Given how people treat (rightly) their ship and BOFF combinations, unlike the Fleet upgrades this is more akin to other MMOs flat out removing classes. "We decided not to bother allowing the Shaman to reach level 100 because **** you that's why", in a way.
While new models are certainly welcome, I do feel it would be wiser to have the 6th tier be applicable to existing ships much like fleet retrofits. As it stands now, it sounds like even the upgrades will only bring you back up to "T4 vs T5" when compared against a leveled and trait-equipped T6.
And that leaves a whole lot of people without a ship they want to or can viably continue to fly - not the best of developments for a game about ships!
-although actual upgrades would certainly be a good chance to make stuff like the shrapnel torpedo (maybe even into an actual torpedo) not completely and utterly worthless! Hey do Destabilizing Tetryon still do less to shields than standard tetryon?
Shame on you. Execute for Incompetence.
Do you take an example to EVE online! They get a space MMO out. They even asteroid fields that you can farm. And a skill system which provides the STO far in the shadow. Entire planetary systems on a map. Space stations with which one can act. Better reputation system for races and sub-races. Better crafting, a functioning Exchange.
Should I go on?
Take a look at some things, trim on star trek, and copy down here. And you rest long!
If you carry on business as usual, then you have not much to laugh one day.
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Is designed to encourage thinking.
But I do find they look good, perhaps because I've never actually liked the giant saucer things.
There are pictures? Where? WHERE?
...and can I just have a more bad-TRIBBLE Intrepid class ship at tier 6?
These are the voyages of the U.S.S. Pioneer...
Overall, more optimistic than I was. However, while the new features sound nice, I won't be leaving my Oddyssey behind just to get them on another ship. Certainly not on the new Federation cruiser, which seems to lack any Federation design ethic.
Remember, each "tick" of rarity = one mark level. Mk X Green = Mk XI white, for example. Therefore, all Mk XII ultraviolets (the ultra rare fleet level stuff) = Mk XIV blues. Rep stuff is Mk XIV Green. Enjoy...
(shill mode off)
Until the official update posts, we can only speculate on what's gonna happen. This is what I'm seeing as the T5 -> T5.9 (variant nickname for the upgraded but not quite fully T6 starships):
1. Cannot begin upgrade process till L60.
2. Will have "final" T6 grade hull, 11th console, extra BOff seat.
3. After grinding 4 levels in an actual T6, you can apply that starship trait.
4. Universal seats will probably seat that "redacted" BOff, as they're a mix of the new powers and traditional powers.
5. Mastery will be the "reserved to full on T6s" trick.
There's a 50% chance that the remainder of the actual lockbox prizes being upped to full-on T6 level due to bug ship receiving that treatment, 25% chance for the Lobi and C-store pack variants (75% chance of the flagship Oddy / Bort / Scim, 50% chance of the Vesta, DSD & Kumari, 25% chance on the leftovers) and the current remaining fleet-level stuff = 0% chance, they'll get the 5.9 updates instead.
As far as the PR man's choice to let this one go first, and the "meaty" stuff (like how the upgrade process actually works) later reflects on me two things - only one of which probably truly applies:
1. Shill man was trained in "hype". Tell everyone about all the new toys early, so that people are gonna want said new toys (notice how many in here are already calling for Mastery/traits/growth on their existing T5s), and then tell you later how "competitiveness" will be attained but how you have to pay for the new toys to get that full on power level - which is, of course, marketing at it's "best", many will cave and pay because they've wanted said new toy for weeks now.
2. Due to exemplified boneheadedness already, said shill doesn't know what he's doing and borked the release schedule. Many "in the know" has said that new ship purchases are being withheld until such time as the upgrade path is released to see if it's "worth it", and he's deflecting the massive drop of C-store income (key and ship related) to the Devs (remember, our shill is a PWE person) - claiming that the upcoming C-store event will boost sales (the "they're in already, they'll buy" mantra)...
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One word: copyright.
After ACTIVISION had the dispute with CBS, and the court negotiation. I don't think so, the copyright is by ACTIVISION. Apart from the aspect, which should surely be pleased the former developer that their jewelry be used.
I am still of the opinion that Cryptic should go to ACTIVISION / BLIZZARD, as with the ****ing Atari.
Atari has shattered STO. This is a fact! A sad fact!
PWE is precariously, but i think ACTIVISION / BLIZZARD is the better choice.
And T5/5.5 is not going to be obsolete because it won't have access to any of these ridiculous power creeps...
riiiiiight :rolleyes:
There are 2 possible reasons why we don't have the upgrade information yet. They haven't finished the system yet and don't want a repeat of the crafting system or...
They do have it done, but one of the higher ups don't want them releasing it until they are scheduled to.
Keep in mind that there's three factions worth of tier V ships, plus the fleet versions, Lockbox and Lobi store ships and the limited time ships (Breen ships, Risian ships for example). In addition to whatever new ships are coming, they also have to do work on these ships. It's not as easy as you might think to just modify some stats to make them closer to tier 6. They also have to decide what they want to do to make them feel as close as possible to Tier 6 without taking away what makes Tier 6 unique.
While I agree with the upgrade ships not getting the traits and other capstone stuff, I strongly disagree with them not getting the boff slot and new boff, at least on lockbox ships which as you well know are huge money sinks that people have put lots of resources into.
No. http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7002163
Just wondering if mastery levels are retained if the ship is discarded and reclaimed by the same character?
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
Yes, as mastery is character based, but applied to any ship from that type. Access to getting them is based on the ship.
If general order of things is followed they are likely 3000 zen. (2000z for lvl 40, 2500z for level 50 so 3000z for lvl 60)
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles