According to the article there is "a brand new Tier 6 ship material that will definitely make your new ships stand out." If I had to guess, they are referring to the blue material we see in those pics. They might look better, to some people, if you're allowed to change it to one of the other gray materials already found in the game. Or any designs given to them by Shields.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
Maybe if I understood the design lineage, and the reasoning for the appearance, I might be able to at least accept them. But they look NOTHING like any previous ship, and so they don't have the usual hallmarks of ship design evolution.
In a way, it's the same way I felt about the Vengeance in ST:ID. At least the Enterprise looks like an evolution of the Connie we all know and love, but when the Vengeance shows up on screen, you kinda go "What in the blue h-e-double hockey sticks is that thing" because it doesn't look like a natural design evolution of ANYTHING.
I just can't believe that Cryptic told their artists "Come up with a new Starfleet ship" and this end result was supposed to be a "Starfleet" ship. It just doesn't make any sense at all.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
I think it's more the skin than the ship in several cases, I'd like to see what they look like in Type 1 or 2 skins. The Guardian looks pretty much Galaxy/Ambassador-ish as it is, and the cruiser types for the Klingon and Romulan fleets are fairly close in general appearance to their forebearers too.
I think Romulans win again for looks, wasn't planning on getting a true tier 6 for a while (if ever, don't really want to stick more C-Store ships in my redundant pile :P) but I'm seriously considering that beast, stats permitting.
The 4 nacelled one just looks like a next gen heavy cruiser; I'm fine with that. I don't like the hull material, or the very sharp and angular look though. The escort just looks like a next gen Defiant; again, aside from the hull material. I hope they can be customised.
All the fed ships have integrated cloak. Congrats Feds there's no more reason to play KDF. :P
Though some of still will. :cool:
They said that when the RRF were released about BOTH factions
(Just like Vesta: "no Sci will fly anything else !", Avenger: "no Fed that's not a Sci will fly anything else !", Scimitar "NOBODY will fly anything else !" :P).
They said that when the RRF were released about BOTH factions
(Just like Vesta: "no Sci will fly anything else !", Avenger: "no Fed that's not a Sci will fly anything else !", Scimitar "NOBODY will fly anything else !" :P).
Lol, I suppose you're right. :P I was just making fun.
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Just the concept behind these is wrong, before any of the modeling work was done. The lines are wrong. The color choices are wrong. These don't belong in this game. The actual build quality may be best around, no idea yet, but conceptually these ships look just bad.
Just the concept behind these is wrong, before any of the modeling work was done. The lines are wrong. The color choices are wrong. These don't belong in this game. The actual build quality may be best around, no idea yet, but conceptually these ships look just bad.
Just the concept behind these is wrong, before any of the modeling work was done. The lines are wrong. The color choices are wrong. These don't belong in this game. The actual build quality may be best around, no idea yet, but conceptually these ships look just bad.
You know what I think when I see that 4-nacelle cruiser?
Tuning Fork. (Saucer is the handle, stardrive section is the fork end) Or maybe a unique spatula.
When I look at the escort, I think ice scraper.
I don't think Star Trek. I don't think Starfleet. I see flying utensils and tools.
You look at the Odyssey, and you think next evolution of the Sovereign. That just isn't happening for me on these other ships.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
Just the concept behind these is wrong, before any of the modeling work was done. The lines are wrong. The color choices are wrong. These don't belong in this game. The actual build quality may be best around, no idea yet, but conceptually these ships look just bad.
I completely agree. Andrew Probert would be spinning in his grave*.
Eh, it simply looks like it was influenced by modern stealth designs, and as others have said, it's probably just the new material that's being added to boot. It has a saucer section and nacelles, that's Starfleet enough for me.
Ok its a pretty design and have to give the artists props on that but it really does not yell starfleet at me. It says tron, and a little battle star galactic. I know the feds are upgrading tech, but it doesn't even look FED.
I'm guessing, but maybe they were developed with help by the Borg Cooperative. The intel ships look a little Borgy. That is, they look more geometric, like they are part way to being squashed from Fed-shaped to a cube.
I saw a comment on Reddit that, I think, explains these new ship designs quite nicely:
"They're not Starfleet ships; they're Section 31 ships."
These ships have all been designed with the intelligence systems at the forefront. To me, that seems like Section 31's aesthetic. Being sent to the other end of known space in a ship with a bunch of super-advanced surveillance and combat systems, and a cloaking device in defiance of Starfleet's "we're the good guys and we don't need to sneak around" attitude? I bet a shiny nickel that Franklin Drake or one of his boys in black is going to figure prominently in the whole push into the Delta Quadrant.
It makes sense, too. The Iconian gateway on New Romulus led us to find the Solanae Dyson sphere, discover a portion of the Iconians' plans, come into conflict with the Voth, discover more of the Iconians' plans, come into very direct conflict with the Undine, get told off by an angry Iconian, and find ourselves with a pretty short path to the heart of our oldest collective enemy (the Borg). So why wouldn't Drake be pushing for Starfleet to put the Borg down for good? The Federation, Klingons, and Romulans don't lack for major existential threats and the Borg cannot be reasoned with the same way the Voth or the Undine can.
"Negotiation is pointless, so we have to destroy them. There is no other way." Something like that could very well sway some top brass into launching this unprecedented expedition.
Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show. I should really just relax."
The Romulans and KDF all have great designs. I already have a Fed-Rom, so, I can take advantage of those. My KDF characters are not endgame-level yet, but those two ships make me interested to pushed them the rest of the way.
Federation ships appears to be more controversial, but I like them too:
The Phantom Escort feels like its strongly inspired from the Defiant, albeit larger akin to the greater girth the patrol escort have. It also seems to draw from the Akira-lineage with the raised protuberances that help hide the bridge from the sides.
The Scryer makes the fanboy in me giddy - it's a reuse of Perpetual assets (Finally!). I think it looks like a nice science ship (heck, it looks really science oriented) though it doesn't have an appeal that makes me go "OMG I want to command it!"
I love how the Eclipse cruiser looks, personally. To me, it harkens back to the four-nacelled heavy cruiser line as a possible Stargazer-class successor, and also reminds me of the Jupiter-class dreadnought. I like how it looks and have no problem seeing its place as a future starfleet ship.Heck, it has no visible bridge, meaning it much be deeper inside the hull - my fleetmate Yuzral would approve.
The Guardian Cruiser brings in a bit of Galaxy-class, a bit of Ambassador-class, and saucer proportions remind me of the Voyager's primary hull... though the whole composition actually seems strongly inspired from the Perpetual Excalibur-class too. Style-wise, it seems to draw a lot of cues from it (as in, Sovereignized-Galaxy-class with rather horizontally-leaning nacelle pylons).
I like what I see and I've already bought my Operations pack. Delta Rising shows signs of having great production value, and I'm more than happy to show that we're an audience that will make it worth the effort.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Maybe if I understood the design lineage, and the reasoning for the appearance, I might be able to at least accept them. But they look NOTHING like any previous ship, and so they don't have the usual hallmarks of ship design evolution.
In a way, it's the same way I felt about the Vengeance in ST:ID. At least the Enterprise looks like an evolution of the Connie we all know and love, but when the Vengeance shows up on screen, you kinda go "What in the blue h-e-double hockey sticks is that thing" because it doesn't look like a natural design evolution of ANYTHING.
I just can't believe that Cryptic told their artists "Come up with a new Starfleet ship" and this end result was supposed to be a "Starfleet" ship. It just doesn't make any sense at all.
So...your logic is that something is ugly just because it doesn't look similar to something before it?
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"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Plain, pure and simple ugly.
Maybe if I understood the design lineage, and the reasoning for the appearance, I might be able to at least accept them. But they look NOTHING like any previous ship, and so they don't have the usual hallmarks of ship design evolution.
In a way, it's the same way I felt about the Vengeance in ST:ID. At least the Enterprise looks like an evolution of the Connie we all know and love, but when the Vengeance shows up on screen, you kinda go "What in the blue h-e-double hockey sticks is that thing" because it doesn't look like a natural design evolution of ANYTHING.
I just can't believe that Cryptic told their artists "Come up with a new Starfleet ship" and this end result was supposed to be a "Starfleet" ship. It just doesn't make any sense at all.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
Actually the science one does specifically this one
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/File:Uss_vengenace.jpg
Though some of still will. :cool:
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
I think Romulans win again for looks, wasn't planning on getting a true tier 6 for a while (if ever, don't really want to stick more C-Store ships in my redundant pile :P) but I'm seriously considering that beast, stats permitting.
They said that when the RRF were released about BOTH factions
(Just like Vesta: "no Sci will fly anything else !", Avenger: "no Fed that's not a Sci will fly anything else !", Scimitar "NOBODY will fly anything else !" :P).
Lol, I suppose you're right. :P I was just making fun.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
Qib has a battle cloak. Obviously that means there's no reason to play Romulan anymore. :rolleyes: :P
We'll have to see how the Guardian turns out, but I still think Cryptic's current ship artists are much better at KDF and Romulan ships than Fed ones.
You know what I think when I see that 4-nacelle cruiser?
Tuning Fork. (Saucer is the handle, stardrive section is the fork end) Or maybe a unique spatula.
When I look at the escort, I think ice scraper.
I don't think Star Trek. I don't think Starfleet. I see flying utensils and tools.
You look at the Odyssey, and you think next evolution of the Sovereign. That just isn't happening for me on these other ships.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
I completely agree. Andrew Probert would be spinning in his grave*.
*if he were dead.
He might be OK with the Guardian though; since the little sketches kind of resemble his original Ambassador concept.
Shame they don't make more kdf and rom ships. 4/2/2 ship lineup is just sad.
Like Section 31 wanted to fly "Sisko's Pimp Hand", but couldn't peel IT away from the moron Kurland. :P
the tier starfleet cruiser would make for a far better tholian ship then a starfleet ship.
the starfleet tier 6 science ship looks like a science ship
that is what i was thinking as well that S31 got there hands on the defiant I for one will prob buy it. my have to get S31 outfits to go with it.
I'm guessing, but maybe they were developed with help by the Borg Cooperative. The intel ships look a little Borgy. That is, they look more geometric, like they are part way to being squashed from Fed-shaped to a cube.
"They're not Starfleet ships; they're Section 31 ships."
These ships have all been designed with the intelligence systems at the forefront. To me, that seems like Section 31's aesthetic. Being sent to the other end of known space in a ship with a bunch of super-advanced surveillance and combat systems, and a cloaking device in defiance of Starfleet's "we're the good guys and we don't need to sneak around" attitude? I bet a shiny nickel that Franklin Drake or one of his boys in black is going to figure prominently in the whole push into the Delta Quadrant.
It makes sense, too. The Iconian gateway on New Romulus led us to find the Solanae Dyson sphere, discover a portion of the Iconians' plans, come into conflict with the Voth, discover more of the Iconians' plans, come into very direct conflict with the Undine, get told off by an angry Iconian, and find ourselves with a pretty short path to the heart of our oldest collective enemy (the Borg). So why wouldn't Drake be pushing for Starfleet to put the Borg down for good? The Federation, Klingons, and Romulans don't lack for major existential threats and the Borg cannot be reasoned with the same way the Voth or the Undine can.
"Negotiation is pointless, so we have to destroy them. There is no other way." Something like that could very well sway some top brass into launching this unprecedented expedition.
The Romulans and KDF all have great designs. I already have a Fed-Rom, so, I can take advantage of those. My KDF characters are not endgame-level yet, but those two ships make me interested to pushed them the rest of the way.
Federation ships appears to be more controversial, but I like them too:
The Phantom Escort feels like its strongly inspired from the Defiant, albeit larger akin to the greater girth the patrol escort have. It also seems to draw from the Akira-lineage with the raised protuberances that help hide the bridge from the sides.
The Scryer makes the fanboy in me giddy - it's a reuse of Perpetual assets (Finally!). I think it looks like a nice science ship (heck, it looks really science oriented) though it doesn't have an appeal that makes me go "OMG I want to command it!"
I love how the Eclipse cruiser looks, personally. To me, it harkens back to the four-nacelled heavy cruiser line as a possible Stargazer-class successor, and also reminds me of the Jupiter-class dreadnought. I like how it looks and have no problem seeing its place as a future starfleet ship.Heck, it has no visible bridge, meaning it much be deeper inside the hull - my fleetmate Yuzral would approve.
The Guardian Cruiser brings in a bit of Galaxy-class, a bit of Ambassador-class, and saucer proportions remind me of the Voyager's primary hull... though the whole composition actually seems strongly inspired from the Perpetual Excalibur-class too. Style-wise, it seems to draw a lot of cues from it (as in, Sovereignized-Galaxy-class with rather horizontally-leaning nacelle pylons).
I like what I see and I've already bought my Operations pack. Delta Rising shows signs of having great production value, and I'm more than happy to show that we're an audience that will make it worth the effort.
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The open saucer reminded me of this, but you know... blue, and in space...
So...your logic is that something is ugly just because it doesn't look similar to something before it?