It should take a while to max out. Hopefully, we will have more specialization trees added before that happens. In the event you earn everything, the points will roll over to something else - sort of like how we roll over to Expertise now, but something better - we are not prepared to say yet.
I'll state the obvious: Thank you for participating in the thread, Mr. Rivera. The engagement is appreciated.
Well, if one has to go through all the code using a search and replace function and replace the rank variable with the title or level variable (where appropriate), why would they not do that? Doesn't seem complex at all.
Return on Investment deemed too low to assign the task to anyone.
I've always had the opinion that Dahar Masters were like Professors that have tenure. They're legendary enough that the KDF simply can't discharge them. And that a Dahar Master can really just do whatever it is they want to do and nobody in the KDF will tell them otherwise.
I think this is why Kang, Kor, and Koloth were able to make a personal mission out of the Albino, even though you would think they would be more desired elsewhere in Dominion War. But they're Dahar Masters and the Chancellor isn't going to tell them they have to do this or that.
I also think it's why Martok was able to have Kor as a bridge officer, despite the fact Kor outranked him in all other aspects. A Dahar Master can really just pick and choose where he wants to serve. If he wants to work underneath a Captain or General, nobody is going to tell him otherwise -- and the Captain or General might actually consider it a great honor to have a Dahar Master want to serve under their command (rather than the other way around).
If a Dahar Master wants to serve in the galley, nobody's going to make a fuss. A Dahar Master has earned the right to place himself (or herself) wherever they want in the KDF military structure. Whether it be on an Oversight Council, or peeling space potatos in the galley.
This is all just speculation, of course. But to me it makes the most sense.
I've always had the opinion that Dahar Masters were like Professors that have tenure. They're legendary enough that the KDF simply can't discharge them. And that a Dahar Master can really just do whatever it is they want to do and nobody in the KDF will tell them otherwise.
I think this is why Kang, Kor, and Koloth were able to make a personal mission out of the Albino, even though you would think they would be more desired elsewhere in Dominion War. But they're Dahar Masters and the Chancellor isn't going to tell them they have to do this or that.
I also think it's why Martok was able to have Kor as a bridge officer, despite the fact Kor outranked him in all other aspects. A Dahar Master can really just pick and choose where he wants to serve. If he wants to work underneath a Captain or General, nobody is going to tell him otherwise -- and the Captain or General might actually consider it a great honor to have a Dahar Master want to serve under their command (rather than the other way around).
If a Dahar Master wants to serve in the galley, nobody's going to make a fuss. A Dahar Master has earned the right to place himself (or herself) wherever they want in the KDF military structure. Whether it be on an Oversight Council, or peeling space potatos in the galley.
This is all just speculation, of course. But to me it makes the most sense.
well played. thats a good response.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
After the information released at Vegas, many players were/are worried about the implications of these changes. This blog elaborates on some of the key details of the level cap increase, and provides reassurance on certain points. Geko's posting in this thread to clear up points is also helpful- all engagement by devs with the community is welcome.
I don't have any real issues with the way the level cap increase is outlined. I'm glad it won't cost anything to level. I would actually suggest Cryptic considers running a sale on C-Store Skill Points boosts when Delta Rising hits - I am sure some people would be willing to pay for these to expedite the move from 50 to 60.
I would also like to second the requests that numerous people have been making, to allow us to call ourselves Captain rather than Rear Admiral Upper Half or whatever:p.
99% of players play Star Trek Online to captain their own starship, not to sit behind a cushy desk on ESD and attend strategy and policy discussions. Even Trendy's first post in this thread refers to us players as "Captains". Many would like this to be reflected in game, and to be called 'Captain' rather than 'Admiral'.
A very nice 'story' way of doing this might be to draw inspiration from ST IV - the Voyager Home, and have us disobey orders in order to save the Universe as we know it(tm). Starfleet/the High Council greets us as heroes - and 'busts' us down to Captain (with no implications other than the title of our rank), giving a speech about how we can do more good 'out there' than stuck behind a desk. Or maybe find some way of drawing on the speech Kirk gives in Generations, with his "Don't let them promote you" speech.
I look forward to similar blogs in the coming days/weeks on other aspects of the expansion, particularly on other subjects which players have concerns about, such as the move to T6 ships and Mk 14 gear.
While I like the idea of earning points again. This sounds like the rep system all over again. Wasn't the entire point that the max level bump to eliminate the balance issues, it seems it just furthering them. I hold on with bated breath however.
Very nice info. I will have to see how to squeeze in the new duty officers. Since I have a full crew already. The special trees look interesting.
I take it you have to go into the new Delta area to get the exp. to gain the new levels. If so that would be good. Since I still have some to go through the story mode. If not I will be at lv60 and not in the new area.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
so a mature level 60 with a full tree will completely dominate a fresh level 60
didnt we just go through this with rep passives?
This is not any different than a level 50 dominating a level 40. The more time you spend on your character, the better it gets.
Your queues wont put lvl 40 and lvl 50 together to fight each other
Will they put mature lvl 60 and new lvl 60 in the same room?
This is sort of what I was wondering when I read the Dev Blog. Are you taking a page from say your own Rep/Trait revamp, or ESO's skill level system, where you can progress as far as you want in as many places as you like... but you can only use a set number of active and passive abilities at any given time, based upon your level? The ability to continue earning Specialization Points limitlessly would sort of remove the cap entirely, with the level 60 "cap" simply serving to show that you've gotten at least 10 Specialization Points, rather than indicating actual player progression... assuming you can use every Specialization Tree unlock at once after earning them. Maybe I could phrase that better, how about:
Is this...
1) intentionally a return to the mostly unrestricted post level cap progression we had before the Rep/Trait revamp, as a means of rewarding long-term players
...or...
2) will we have limited space to slot our unlimited progression into, as a means of balancing characters of equivalent level?
will be odd to state this if geko is still around, thank you al for taking what little time you have to make it on the forum and answer some of this stuff. i havent seen such through answering in a while since brandon back in the day.
This. Thanks for a bit of active feedback and answers. While I can't speak for the whole community, personally I am glad to see some direct interaction. I salute the effort.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
im not debating other aspects here, all im looking for is simple yes or no, can you be sure that a dahar master is a serving warrior, or was a serving warrior who took the title? because there is no hard evidence in either direction, past present or future.
Nope, my entire point was that there's very little established canon regarding Dahar Masters, and thus that those who are saying that it can't possibly be a rank in the KDF don't really have much supporting evidence.
And if they're going to make that sort of claim, the burden of proof is on them. Until then, Cryptic can say just about whatever they want about Dahar Masters, and it won't contradict canon.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
But details such as all the Fleet Admirals out there, and no option to just be what Kirk, Janeway, Picard and Archer were for the full duration of series that lasted longer than any of my toons up to now... or STO itself, for that matter... It's just so terribly, terribly sad and weird.
I agree with you. And after Kirk's speech to Picard in Generations, it's really one of the things about this game that is bonkers.
They got rid of exploration/genesis system just recently.
They're about to go back on their idea that skill points needed to be capped.
I think it's long overdue to let people be CAPTAINS instead of real-fleet-admiral-commodore-upper-left-corner-half.
Nope, my entire point was that there's very little established canon regarding Dahar Masters, and thus that those who are saying that it can't possibly be a rank in the KDF don't really have much supporting evidence.
And if they're going to make that sort of claim, the burden of proof is on them. Until then, Cryptic can say just about whatever they want about Dahar Masters, and it won't contradict canon.
my quote was addressed to iconians at the time, if it were addressed to you i would of quoted yours instead. but since iconians did a number on my attempt and did it well, i got nothing anymore :P.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
If you guys, the devs, are changing rank titles, can you please have a programmer make sure the new ones work in conjunction with the [rank] tag for Foundry authors.
It's one of those details that I'm not sure if it's an obvious no-brainer or nobody thought about it.
We write dialogue like this:
[Rank] [FullName] of the [ShipName], do you require assistance?
my quote was addressed to iconians at the time, if it were addressed to you i would of quoted yours instead. but since iconians did a number on my attempt and did it well, i got nothing anymore :P.
Totally fair. My initial comments were directed at other posters, as well.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
I'd much rather see Photonic Fleet and it's Engineering and Tactical equivalents get a buff than Fleet Support, though. Unless of course this will allow us to call in Fleet Support at any time (apart from during it's CD, of course) rather than having us wait until we're at 50% health.
Otherwise I don't see the point - the fleet support ship either gets cancelled because you die before it arrives, or it arrives and gets destroyed immediately. Or warps out without doing anything.
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
Better be? The reason is its the next rank in the IP. Read Admiral, Vice Admira, Admiral, Fleet Admiral.
Thanks.
This sounds very Starfleet to me. I'm not a hardcore Trekkie, but is Dahr Master a rank in the KDF? Memory Alpha says "A Dahar Master (da-HAR) was a Klingon warrior who had reached a legendary status among his peers and subordinates. " None of which reads like a rank to me. Just curious why it was chosen as the top KDF rank.
I think the best way to determine how many players like being Admirals would be to implement such a re-alignment.
I personally think that after defeating Hakeev, destroying the Borg Queen, stopping plots against all that is good by the Breen, Cardassians and Davidians (to name a few) and being the key to bringing about the end of military conflict between Starfleet and the KDF that I deserve my rank and you had better address me by it. Except when I am on the bridge of my own ship ... THEN I am the "Captain" or "Sir" regardless of rank.
Oh wait ... you did all those things too?
Snap! It's a video game and we are all playing through the same story. Is it a tad immersion breaking to be in a social hub and see so many high ranking officers shopping for hypos? Yes, but again, video game.
The point being: even though we all play through the same content, it's supposed to be your characters story and you end up rising to the highest rank like a hero is prone to do.
This sounds very Starfleet to me. I'm not a hardcore Trekkie, but is Dahr Master a rank in the KDF? Memory Alpha says "A Dahar Master (da-HAR) was a Klingon warrior who had reached a legendary status among his peers and subordinates. " None of which reads like a rank to me. Just curious why it was chosen as the top KDF rank.
Probably because it was a rank that even the Generals had to pay respect to. Kor, Kang, and Koloth (from TOS) had become Dahar Masters.
I pointed out before it's like being a Professor with tenure. The KDF don't have the right to discharge them as a result of their legendary status, and they can really just do whatever it is they want.
Another way of looking at it is being "At-Large", where they can just insert themselves wherever they feel their talents are best used.
Dahar Master transcends traditional military rank and blends and blurs in Klingon society itself. I'm guessing they went with Dahar Master because the only leadership above the Generals is the Chancellor of the Empire itself.
And there's only 1 Chancellor (as opposed to multiple Fleet Admirals), but in canon there has been more than 1 Dahar Master.
thats funny because rolling through the exchange, i put in search criteria, i always pull up vice admiral and i always see XII gear show up.
Plus fleet ships need you to be at least Vice Admiral or Lt. General to buy them and all my mk XII gear lists those ranks as the minimum rank allowed to use it.
Alright, maybe a question that hasn't been asked yet...
... any spiffy uniform unlocks for hitting Fleet Admiral/Dahar Master, other than rank pips/sashes?
Don't know about Dahar Master, but looking at Quinn and the Starfleet Uniform guide all you pretty much do is change the trim color of the long coat Odyssey from silver to gold.
Though that didn't mean Dahar Masters didn't out rank generals since Kor came onboard martok's ship as his subordinate.
I think if Kor wanted to take over Martok's ship, he could have. However, given the tension between Martok and Kor (Kor denied Martok his application to become an officer in the past), Kor decided to try to mend fences by working as his subordinate.
People on the ship were actually fairly surprised he didn't take command of the ship, although you can be sure Martok was angry enough at Kor that he'd fight him for command (as is his right), regardless of the Dahar Master's status.
Plus, Kor knew he did not have the mental condition to command a ship.
Probably because it was a rank that even the Generals had to pay respect to. Kor, Kang, and Koloth (from TOS) had become Dahar Masters.
I pointed out before it's like being a Professor with tenure. The KDF don't have the right to discharge them as a result of their legendary status, and they can really just do whatever it is they want.
Another way of looking at it is being "At-Large", where they can just insert themselves wherever they feel their talents are best used.
Dahar Master transcends traditional military rank and blends and blurs in Klingon society itself. I'm guessing they went with Dahar Master because the only leadership above the Generals is the Chancellor of the Empire itself.
And there's only 1 Chancellor (as opposed to multiple Fleet Admirals), but in canon there has been more than 1 Dahar Master.
thanks for the clarification. i also tend to forget that in terms of the story arc, we are pretty
much in a single player game, each of us is the only player doing that mission, getting that
promotion etc. it is only the stf's, battle zones and social aspect of the game that changes that.
Probably because it was a rank that even the Generals had to pay respect to. Kor, Kang, and Koloth (from TOS) had become Dahar Masters.
I pointed out before it's like being a Professor with tenure. The KDF don't have the right to discharge them as a result of their legendary status, and they can really just do whatever it is they want.
Another way of looking at it is being "At-Large", where they can just insert themselves wherever they feel their talents are best used.
Dahar Master transcends traditional military rank and blends and blurs in Klingon society itself. I'm guessing they went with Dahar Master because the only leadership above the Generals is the Chancellor of the Empire itself.
And there's only 1 Chancellor (as opposed to multiple Fleet Admirals), but in canon there has been more than 1 Dahar Master.
Right on. I was curious cause in DS9 wasn't there an episode where Martok treats Kor like Targ doodoo? Sure he had his personal reasons, but if a Dahr Master can do what they want, how come he couldn't just get his own ship instead of asking Warf to part of his crew?
My guess is they went with Dahr Master cause it's "cool". Although if it's General then Chanellor that does make sense.
Right on. I was curious cause in DS9 wasn't there an episode where Martok treats Kor like Targ doodoo? Sure he had his personal reasons, but if a Dahr Master can do what they want, how come he couldn't just get his own ship instead of asking Warf to part of his crew?
My guess is they went with Dahr Master cause it's "cool". Although if it's General then Chanellor that does make sense.
It was really part of the plot. Kor was on the Oversight Council that denied Martok his opportunity to become an officer. Martok therefore had very bad blood with Kor.
He could have gotten his own ship easily, I would think. But the 'message' of the episode was more about making amends for the past (in this case Kor regretted denying Martok a commission as an officer), rather than shoving his rank around.
The idea of the Dahar Master wasn't that they can just abuse that rank whenever they wanted, but they were also noble and honorable and knew when they should submit to those of lower station when the times call for it.
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Return on Investment deemed too low to assign the task to anyone.
I've always had the opinion that Dahar Masters were like Professors that have tenure. They're legendary enough that the KDF simply can't discharge them. And that a Dahar Master can really just do whatever it is they want to do and nobody in the KDF will tell them otherwise.
I think this is why Kang, Kor, and Koloth were able to make a personal mission out of the Albino, even though you would think they would be more desired elsewhere in Dominion War. But they're Dahar Masters and the Chancellor isn't going to tell them they have to do this or that.
I also think it's why Martok was able to have Kor as a bridge officer, despite the fact Kor outranked him in all other aspects. A Dahar Master can really just pick and choose where he wants to serve. If he wants to work underneath a Captain or General, nobody is going to tell him otherwise -- and the Captain or General might actually consider it a great honor to have a Dahar Master want to serve under their command (rather than the other way around).
If a Dahar Master wants to serve in the galley, nobody's going to make a fuss. A Dahar Master has earned the right to place himself (or herself) wherever they want in the KDF military structure. Whether it be on an Oversight Council, or peeling space potatos in the galley.
This is all just speculation, of course. But to me it makes the most sense.
well played. thats a good response.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
After the information released at Vegas, many players were/are worried about the implications of these changes. This blog elaborates on some of the key details of the level cap increase, and provides reassurance on certain points. Geko's posting in this thread to clear up points is also helpful- all engagement by devs with the community is welcome.
I don't have any real issues with the way the level cap increase is outlined. I'm glad it won't cost anything to level. I would actually suggest Cryptic considers running a sale on C-Store Skill Points boosts when Delta Rising hits - I am sure some people would be willing to pay for these to expedite the move from 50 to 60.
I would also like to second the requests that numerous people have been making, to allow us to call ourselves Captain rather than Rear Admiral Upper Half or whatever:p.
99% of players play Star Trek Online to captain their own starship, not to sit behind a cushy desk on ESD and attend strategy and policy discussions. Even Trendy's first post in this thread refers to us players as "Captains". Many would like this to be reflected in game, and to be called 'Captain' rather than 'Admiral'.
A very nice 'story' way of doing this might be to draw inspiration from ST IV - the Voyager Home, and have us disobey orders in order to save the Universe as we know it(tm). Starfleet/the High Council greets us as heroes - and 'busts' us down to Captain (with no implications other than the title of our rank), giving a speech about how we can do more good 'out there' than stuck behind a desk. Or maybe find some way of drawing on the speech Kirk gives in Generations, with his "Don't let them promote you" speech.
I look forward to similar blogs in the coming days/weeks on other aspects of the expansion, particularly on other subjects which players have concerns about, such as the move to T6 ships and Mk 14 gear.
I take it you have to go into the new Delta area to get the exp. to gain the new levels. If so that would be good. Since I still have some to go through the story mode. If not I will be at lv60 and not in the new area.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
This is sort of what I was wondering when I read the Dev Blog. Are you taking a page from say your own Rep/Trait revamp, or ESO's skill level system, where you can progress as far as you want in as many places as you like... but you can only use a set number of active and passive abilities at any given time, based upon your level? The ability to continue earning Specialization Points limitlessly would sort of remove the cap entirely, with the level 60 "cap" simply serving to show that you've gotten at least 10 Specialization Points, rather than indicating actual player progression... assuming you can use every Specialization Tree unlock at once after earning them. Maybe I could phrase that better, how about:
Is this...
1) intentionally a return to the mostly unrestricted post level cap progression we had before the Rep/Trait revamp, as a means of rewarding long-term players
...or...
2) will we have limited space to slot our unlimited progression into, as a means of balancing characters of equivalent level?
This. Thanks for a bit of active feedback and answers. While I can't speak for the whole community, personally I am glad to see some direct interaction. I salute the effort.
Maybe...I really don't know.
Nope, my entire point was that there's very little established canon regarding Dahar Masters, and thus that those who are saying that it can't possibly be a rank in the KDF don't really have much supporting evidence.
And if they're going to make that sort of claim, the burden of proof is on them. Until then, Cryptic can say just about whatever they want about Dahar Masters, and it won't contradict canon.
I agree with you. And after Kirk's speech to Picard in Generations, it's really one of the things about this game that is bonkers.
They got rid of exploration/genesis system just recently.
They're about to go back on their idea that skill points needed to be capped.
I think it's long overdue to let people be CAPTAINS instead of real-fleet-admiral-commodore-upper-left-corner-half.
my quote was addressed to iconians at the time, if it were addressed to you i would of quoted yours instead. but since iconians did a number on my attempt and did it well, i got nothing anymore :P.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I think the best way to determine how many players like being Admirals would be to implement such a re-alignment.
AFTER FLEET ADMIRAL ...
What would be the ranks for level 65 and 70?
The navy ran out. Just going to make some stuff up?
Starlord is taken.
It's one of those details that I'm not sure if it's an obvious no-brainer or nobody thought about it.
We write dialogue like this:
[Rank] [FullName] of the [ShipName], do you require assistance?
Totally fair. My initial comments were directed at other posters, as well.
The Internet is a wonderful thing.
I'd much rather see Photonic Fleet and it's Engineering and Tactical equivalents get a buff than Fleet Support, though. Unless of course this will allow us to call in Fleet Support at any time (apart from during it's CD, of course) rather than having us wait until we're at 50% health.
Otherwise I don't see the point - the fleet support ship either gets cancelled because you die before it arrives, or it arrives and gets destroyed immediately. Or warps out without doing anything.
(Off topic)
You watched Gardens of the Galaxy? :P
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
This sounds very Starfleet to me. I'm not a hardcore Trekkie, but is Dahr Master a rank in the KDF? Memory Alpha says "A Dahar Master (da-HAR) was a Klingon warrior who had reached a legendary status among his peers and subordinates. " None of which reads like a rank to me. Just curious why it was chosen as the top KDF rank.
Love that easter egg at the end! Drax cleaning his knife was sooo on point. Hahahahaha
I personally think that after defeating Hakeev, destroying the Borg Queen, stopping plots against all that is good by the Breen, Cardassians and Davidians (to name a few) and being the key to bringing about the end of military conflict between Starfleet and the KDF that I deserve my rank and you had better address me by it. Except when I am on the bridge of my own ship ... THEN I am the "Captain" or "Sir" regardless of rank.
Oh wait ... you did all those things too?
Snap! It's a video game and we are all playing through the same story. Is it a tad immersion breaking to be in a social hub and see so many high ranking officers shopping for hypos? Yes, but again, video game.
The point being: even though we all play through the same content, it's supposed to be your characters story and you end up rising to the highest rank like a hero is prone to do.
The internet is for por.......uhh......sharing cooking recipes.
Probably because it was a rank that even the Generals had to pay respect to. Kor, Kang, and Koloth (from TOS) had become Dahar Masters.
I pointed out before it's like being a Professor with tenure. The KDF don't have the right to discharge them as a result of their legendary status, and they can really just do whatever it is they want.
Another way of looking at it is being "At-Large", where they can just insert themselves wherever they feel their talents are best used.
Dahar Master transcends traditional military rank and blends and blurs in Klingon society itself. I'm guessing they went with Dahar Master because the only leadership above the Generals is the Chancellor of the Empire itself.
And there's only 1 Chancellor (as opposed to multiple Fleet Admirals), but in canon there has been more than 1 Dahar Master.
Plus fleet ships need you to be at least Vice Admiral or Lt. General to buy them and all my mk XII gear lists those ranks as the minimum rank allowed to use it.
Don't know about Dahar Master, but looking at Quinn and the Starfleet Uniform guide all you pretty much do is change the trim color of the long coat Odyssey from silver to gold.
Though that didn't mean Dahar Masters didn't out rank generals since Kor came onboard martok's ship as his subordinate.
I think if Kor wanted to take over Martok's ship, he could have. However, given the tension between Martok and Kor (Kor denied Martok his application to become an officer in the past), Kor decided to try to mend fences by working as his subordinate.
People on the ship were actually fairly surprised he didn't take command of the ship, although you can be sure Martok was angry enough at Kor that he'd fight him for command (as is his right), regardless of the Dahar Master's status.
Plus, Kor knew he did not have the mental condition to command a ship.
thanks for the clarification. i also tend to forget that in terms of the story arc, we are pretty
much in a single player game, each of us is the only player doing that mission, getting that
promotion etc. it is only the stf's, battle zones and social aspect of the game that changes that.
Right on. I was curious cause in DS9 wasn't there an episode where Martok treats Kor like Targ doodoo? Sure he had his personal reasons, but if a Dahr Master can do what they want, how come he couldn't just get his own ship instead of asking Warf to part of his crew?
My guess is they went with Dahr Master cause it's "cool". Although if it's General then Chanellor that does make sense.
It was really part of the plot. Kor was on the Oversight Council that denied Martok his opportunity to become an officer. Martok therefore had very bad blood with Kor.
He could have gotten his own ship easily, I would think. But the 'message' of the episode was more about making amends for the past (in this case Kor regretted denying Martok a commission as an officer), rather than shoving his rank around.
The idea of the Dahar Master wasn't that they can just abuse that rank whenever they wanted, but they were also noble and honorable and knew when they should submit to those of lower station when the times call for it.