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  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Yay to PM's about this thread that I knew existed already lol.

    The reason this thread isn't locked down, deleted or what not is because, as I've stated multiple times, IF a situation changes with anything on the FCT it would be allowed to be discussed again. Obviously they finally added a lighter version of the dev party nullifier item which changes the situation.

    For the time being you are more than welcome to discuss the nullifier and it's effect on the economy, STO and what not however do remember we have rules that if people break will result in warnings or me just flat out saying "Okay this is back in the FCT".
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  • lordagamemnonb5lordagamemnonb5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Wow, I've never scene so much debate, division, and whining over a frackin' option. It's an OPTION people. You want to buy it, fine. You don't like, invite only your friends to your local hangout spot and fire up you disco ball.
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    The curmudgeons have won. :\
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    jexsamx wrote: »
    The curmudgeons have won. :\

    The whatnow?
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    The whatnow?

    think its more tears :D
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    think its more tears :D

    Plenty of those since 9.5 release.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    The whatnow?
    cur·mud·geon

    noun \(ˌ)kər-ˈmə-jən\ : a person (especially an old man) who is easily annoyed or angered and who often complains


    which describes the majority of the forumbase, if you think about it
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    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    cur·mud·geon

    noun \(ˌ)kər-ˈmə-jən\ : a person (especially an old man) who is easily annoyed or angered and who often complains


    which describes the majority of the forumbase, if you think about it

    Grandpa Simpson... Gotcha :)
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I am not old. I'm just chronologically advanced. :P
    okay, i gotta add that to my list of epic quotes
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    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,985 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    i reckon the nullifiers should consume themselves every time they nullify a disco ball.

    Only if the Disco Balls do the same.
  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    OMG

    Players complain when the Subspace Party Balls were added, complain when they add a Nullifier


    NO WONDER THE DEVS DO NOT WANT TO TALK TO THIS COMMUNITY
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    cidjack wrote: »
    OMG

    Players complain when the Subspace Party Balls were added, complain when they add a Nullifier


    NO WONDER THE DEVS DO NOT WANT TO TALK TO THIS COMMUNITY

    if a Dev hide for this reason then they should not be in the job of making a product.............

    a lot of post like this make me think of every Hek's Kitchen EP where chef think his/hers food is great even though they get feedback its TRIBBLE but Gordon Ramsay will tell them straight up its TRIBBLE even though the chef wants to live in denial
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    cidjack wrote: »
    OMG

    Players complain when the Subspace Party Balls were added, complain when they add a Nullifier


    NO WONDER THE DEVS DO NOT WANT TO TALK TO THIS COMMUNITY

    Well...
    • There are people who don't like to be subjected to other peoples idea of fun
    • There are people who, like me, don't care about being subjected themselves, but dont like the idea of people not having a choice
    • There are people who don't care either way
    • There are people who don't care, but don't think anything should be done
    • There are people who think everyone should share their idea of fun.

    As you can see, theres plenty of room for someone to always complain :)
    daan2006 wrote: »
    if a Dev hide for this reason then they should not be in the job of making a product.............

    And this of cause.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    cidjack wrote: »
    NO WONDER THE DEVS DO NOT WANT TO TALK TO THIS COMMUNITY

    I'm not saying I agree with their decision to communicate poorly (or not at all).

    I am saying I understand their reasons why.
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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Only if the Disco Balls do the same.

    They always have. :rolleyes:
    It's not my fault if you feel trolled by my Disco ball... Sorry'boutit.



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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    They always have. :rolleyes:

    Would'n it make more sense then, if a ball was consumed for every person it affected (apart from the owner of cause)?

    So if there are more people around, than you have balls, then you couldn pop it... If too many moved into it, it would shut off.

    That way it would be "balanced" in the manner you speak of?
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Would'n it make more sense then, if a ball was consumed for every person it affected (apart from the owner of cause)?

    So if there are more people around, than you have balls, then you couldn pop it... If too many moved into it, it would shut off.

    That way it would be "balanced" in the manner you speak of?


    No, just no.
    It's not my fault if you feel trolled by my Disco ball... Sorry'boutit.



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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    No, just no.

    Why not? Seems to be the same principal?

    What am I missing?
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Why not? Seems to be the same principal?

    What am I missing?

    come now they think they have a right to make my character dance

    and this always been my thing if they think they have that right then i should have the right to make there character go fall off a cliff
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • shaitan100shaitan100 Member Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    great the troll ball is dead!!
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Why not? Seems to be the same principal?

    What am I missing?

    How is it the same principle?

    It's like apples to lucky charms.
    It's not my fault if you feel trolled by my Disco ball... Sorry'boutit.



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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    daan2006 wrote: »
    come now they think they have a right to make my character dance

    and this always been my thing if they think they have that right then i should have the right to make there character go fall off a cliff

    Nonono... nothing of that... This needs to be brought to light.
    How is it the same principle?

    Well... If the Nullifier only affects one person and consumes itself, the ball either needs to just affect one person, or consume one for everyone it affects...

    How is that not fair?
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Well... If the Nullifier only affects one person and consumes itself, the ball either needs to just affect one person, or consume one for everyone it affects...

    How is that not fair?


    Because the nullifier is only designed to effect one person, the party ball is designed to effect everyone.
    It's not my fault if you feel trolled by my Disco ball... Sorry'boutit.



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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Only if it worked the same way for nullifiers, you lose a nullifier for every person that starts dancing around you. Fair is fair. ;)
    Because the nullifier is only designed to effect one person, the party ball is designed to effect everyone.

    Hey, I am entirely fine with the nullifier being consumed on use... Seems logical actually.

    However...

    Item X can affect 20, but eats one...

    Item Y can affect 1, and eats one...

    There is a serious flaw in that logic... Unless of cause you are suggesting that the nullifier has the same range of affect as the ball does... So if I use it right under the ball, everyone in the same effect radius should also be "nullified".

    Edit:

    OR, a reasonable compromise: Instead of the balls consuming at a pr-character, make the nullifier a charged device...

    Considering the drop in recent Ball use, lets say... 10 - 15 charges, at a slightly higher price than the ball (say 20% increase), then you need to get a new one, and the balls remain as they are now, and the nullifier still only affects the player in question.

    The nullifier auto activates (hence consumes itself) upon a ball activation.

    All numbers are made up on the spot btw.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Hey, I am entirely fine with the nullifier being consumed on use... Seems logical actually.

    However...

    Item X can affect 20, but eats one...

    Item Y can affect 1, and eats one...

    There is a serious flaw in that logic... Unless of cause you are suggesting that the nullifier has the same range of affect as the ball does... So if I use it right under the ball, everyone in the same effect radius should also be "nullified".

    No, just you.
    It's not my fault if you feel trolled by my Disco ball... Sorry'boutit.



    R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    How about a Subspace Shatner Amplifier? Anyone in range talks, acts and moves like Captain Kirk for 3 minutes?
    don't we have enough kirks in this game already? we really don't need more
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    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    No, just you.

    Look in my post... I made an edit...
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    It's hilarious how hurt some people are over not being able to make everyone dance
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    It's hilarious how hurt some people are over not being able to make everyone dance

    i have to agree it is funny
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Look in my post... I made an edit...


    You know what, I would be happy with that.



    Wow, did we actually agree!?!:eek:
    It's not my fault if you feel trolled by my Disco ball... Sorry'boutit.



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