Same in the UK, they're just ineffective and often not actually enforced. Our schools are FULL of bullying.
I HATE bullying, of any form, whether it's trolling or whatever. Which is why I am in this thread trying to share my understanding of the psychology of bullies with those who would be their victims. Trolls, like any bully, lose interest when they don't get a rise out of their target, it really is that simple.
Isn't this admitting that the disco balls were used to disrupt/harass players then? Not by you personally, of course.
ANYTHING can be used in a multiplayer game to disrupt/harass a player
haven't you seen all those idiotic threads and posts pop up saying how seeing someone else running around a place like ESD in a non-standard uniform or combat armor disrupts their immersion?
i'm surprised no one's complained yet about the fact players can shoot off fireworks at warp and that seeing it 'disrupts their gameplay experience'
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Actually, there are several people in this thread that claim that the balls were never used for harassment by anyone.
In any case, I don't see how getting the nullifier qualifies as a reaction, any more than getting Sci-team is a reaction to Viral Matrix... You find a counter to a game-feature, and then never think about it again...
This sums it up.
Even if a troll gets off on seeing that somebody paid the oh-so-lavish price of 100 GPL and the DEVASTATING loss of one little inventory slot, that's the last "reaction" they're probably going to see and get from that person... Unless said person still loses their cool over the harmless visual/audio effects of the Party Ball.
"[GARBLED ELECTRONIC NOISES]"
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
ANYTHING can be used in a multiplayer game to disrupt/harass a player
haven't you seen all those idiotic threads and posts pop up saying how seeing someone else running around a place like ESD in a non-standard uniform or combat armor disrupts their immersion?
i'm surprised no one's complained yet about the fact players can shoot off fireworks at warp and that seeing it 'disrupts their gameplay experience'
you mean the type for the reason i cant use my bikini off risa?
After reading this post I must address the 800 lbp gorilla in the room. (Oh hi S'taass.) Why the heck was a disco ball put in game in the first place? Was it for any other reason then to troll and especially in social zones? Not to mention in 2410 disco rightfully being dead for centuries do to it being a dance crime against humanity I just can't ignore the logical question of what purpose did it serve?
it served the purpose of a little thing called 'fun in a videogame, which in itself is a form of entertainment'
you know, a nice little diversion from the endless monotonous grinding that is unfortunately required in order to keep the servers running and the staff getting money to put food on the table
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
haven't you seen all those idiotic threads and posts pop up saying how seeing someone else running around a place like ESD in a non-standard uniform or combat armor disrupts their immersion?
Those are pretty far apart... I don't think they've even made it to the long list of considerations for FCT thread... me personally... I don't remember when I've seen them last.
i'm surprised no one's complained yet about the fact players can shoot off fireworks at warp and that seeing it 'disrupts their gameplay experience'
Well first off, The fireworks dosen't make your ship dance... Secondly, it's a very limited feature, so it dosen't affect many people, and not often enough to actually become annoying in the first place.
People are generally capable and willing to accept some discomfort, but only to a certain degree.
I think that may be why this became an issue in the first place... Had the Balls only been useable during risa event, I doubt it would ever have gotten out of hand.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
This is better than nothing, although the best thing would be to remove the party amps from the game
lol, this game is already boring like a preaching; the party amp adds a little bit of fun; after the fights against always the same ennemies, after tons of crafting/farming/grinding, a little dance is a good thing. And i personally like to see Klingons dancing :P
why do you want to remove all the funny stuff from this game
I use and i like the amp, and i'm going to use it again again again and again. btw i'm maybe a troll, but at least i enjoy. And not i'm not a teen :P
this game becomes a retirement home for old senile; this is just a GAME; nothing is seious
it served the purpose of a little thing called 'fun in a videogame, which in itself is a form of entertainment'
you know, a nice little diversion from the endless monotonous grinding that is unfortunately required in order to keep the servers running and the staff getting money to put food on the table
If you require a spinning ball with strobe lights coming out to have fun in a game theres no hope for mmo's :P
Actually, there are several people in this thread that claim that the balls were never used for harassment by anyone.
In any case, I don't see how getting the nullifier qualifies as a reaction, any more than getting Sci-team is a reaction to Viral Matrix... You find a counter to a game-feature, and then never think about it again...
It's a passive feature...
I must have overlooked that, and still can't find anybody claiming that nobody, at any point, ever used the disco ball to troll people. I certainly never said this, as like I said, I know full well that where you get more than 1 person, you get bullies. Even without the party amp, there are 100s of ways of doing the same thing in ANY game, even just using emotes.
Ok, I can accept that you perhaps don't get the psychology of bullies and trolls. It doesn't always take on to know one by the way. Sometimes somebody who has been a victim of bullies seeks to learn their psychology, plus anybody who has gone into learning about psychology would pick at least a little up. So I will happily explain. Troll sets off party amp, sees who is dancing, thinks "meh they aren't bothered by my trolliing, boring!". Sees who isn't dancing "Ha! They're so bothered that they raised 100GPL and wasted an inventory space just so as not to be effected by a party amp! How sad is that? Lulz!". Does that help a little? If the nullifier was a gui option, and had been there all along, and a majority had turned it on from the off, then sure it wouldn't be a reaction. But I suspect you will find that only a minority of players will bother with them, and they may as well just wear a sign around their necks saying "Your party amp annoys me!"....
Heh, maybe I will be proven wrong, but again I point to the lack of any trolls or party amp lovers posting in this thread about how the nullifier should never have been added as evidence that maybe, just maybe, I am right here.
Those are pretty far apart... I don't think they've even made it to the long list of considerations for FCT thread... me personally... I don't remember when I've seen them last.
I think that may be why this became an issue in the first place... Had the Balls only been useable during risa event, I doubt it would ever have gotten out of hand.
honestly, it always did strike me as silly that you could just deploy these at random and not suffer any consequences for doing so...at the very least, doing it on ESD outside of the now-nonexistant club 47 should've caused starfleet security to come and toss you in the brig
but i get the feeling that would've been impossible on this game's engine, even if the devs would've had a mind to implement something like that
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I must have overlooked that, and still can't find anybody claiming that nobody, at any point, ever used the disco ball to troll people. I certainly never said this, as like I said, I know full well that where you get more than 1 person, you get bullies. Even without the party amp, there are 100s of ways of doing the same thing in ANY game, even just using emotes.
Yea... I am not going to point out the 20 or so places this happend... You're just going to have to try this time.
Ok, I can accept that you perhaps don't get the psychology of bullies and trolls. It doesn't always take on to know one by the way. Sometimes somebody who has been a victim of bullies seeks to learn their psychology, plus anybody who has gone into learning about psychology would pick at least a little up. So I will happily explain. Troll sets off party amp, sees who is dancing, thinks "meh they aren't bothered by my trolliing, boring!". Sees who isn't dancing "Ha! They're so bothered that they raised 100GPL and wasted an inventory space just so as not to be effected by a party amp! How sad is that? Lulz!". Does that help a little? If the nullifier was a gui option, and had been there all along, and a majority had turned it on from the off, then sure it wouldn't be a reaction. But I suspect you will find that only a minority of players will bother with them, and they may as well just wear a sign around their necks saying "Your party amp annoys me!"....
Point is: IF the "trolls" troll using balls on a person they know got the nullifier, hoping for a response/reaction, he will basically be trolling himself... it won't bother the guy who isn't dancing anymore, but the "troll" (note I use the "-sign) will be putting an efford into "harassing" the other party.
Basically he will troll himself, because the other guy isn't reacting to him...
Thats like a bully hitting himself, in the hopes of getting the little guy to cry... It just dosen't seem to be effective.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
If you require a spinning ball with strobe lights coming out to have fun in a game theres no hope for mmo's :P
well, not everyone can get fun from slaughtering the same old boring enemies for the trillionth time...just like not everyone can get fun from dancing or being hypnotized by spinning balls with pretty strobe lights
i know my caitians love them, though - blinking lights and all that
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
well, not everyone can get fun from slaughtering the same old boring enemies for the trillionth time...just like not everyone can get fun from dancing or being hypnotized by spinning balls with pretty strobe lights
i know my caitians love them, though - blinking lights and all that
We need a ball of string...
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
well, not everyone can get fun from slaughtering the same old boring enemies for the trillionth time...just like not everyone can get fun from dancing or being hypnotized by spinning balls with pretty strobe lights
i know my caitians love them, though - blinking lights and all that
I don't, but theres a cool tool for non combat fun the foundry, or risa, like tahiti "it's a magical place"
well, not everyone can get fun from slaughtering the same old boring enemies for the trillionth time...just like not everyone can get fun from dancing or being hypnotized by spinning balls with pretty strobe lights
i know my caitians love them, though - blinking lights and all that
Some people toss party balls, other people, such as myself, like to RP within the Star Trek setting. Everyone has their own version of fun.
"[GARBLED ELECTRONIC NOISES]"
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
I think the trolls would be more interested in focusing on those without nullifiers who ask them to "stop with the party balls".
WHEN that happens, yes, I agree. As I've said though, to a bully (let's stop calling them trolls, and be much more honest about what a person who derives enjoyment from the discomfort of others is) ANY negative reaction is like sweet candy, and please don't attribute too much intelligence to every bully in the game. Sure there are probably some quite intelligent ones, they're probably using far more subtle methods though to be honest.
The threads complaining about it would have caused pure joy for them, and the complaining here is probably almost as good for them.
Now, if the nullifier ONLY had an effect on the client of the player using it, THAT would be a win for those who felt trolled by the amplifier, as the bullies wouldn't even know about it.....
I think the trolls would be more interested in focusing on those without nullifiers who ask them to "stop with the party balls".
I'm one of these TROLLS, and sorry when i use the amp, i don't have plans. often i use it when i'm in the exchange and because it's more fun than just standing like an idiot in front of a console
I wonder how many people feel "trolled" when they see somebody stood playing air piano near to a console? I'd say that was far more immersion breaking to somebody who cares about these things than a spontaneous flash mob incident, complete with flashy lights. lol
I'm one of these TROLLS, and sorry when i use the amp, i don't have plans. often i use it when i'm in the exchange and because it's more fun than just standing like an idiot in front of a console
so every one in star trek a idiot? do we forget what most do 80% of the show
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Same in the UK, they're just ineffective and often not actually enforced. Our schools are FULL of bullying.
I HATE bullying, of any form, whether it's trolling or whatever. Which is why I am in this thread trying to share my understanding of the psychology of bullies with those who would be their victims. Trolls, like any bully, lose interest when they don't get a rise out of their target, it really is that simple.
haven't you seen all those idiotic threads and posts pop up saying how seeing someone else running around a place like ESD in a non-standard uniform or combat armor disrupts their immersion?
i'm surprised no one's complained yet about the fact players can shoot off fireworks at warp and that seeing it 'disrupts their gameplay experience'
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
This sums it up.
Even if a troll gets off on seeing that somebody paid the oh-so-lavish price of 100 GPL and the DEVASTATING loss of one little inventory slot, that's the last "reaction" they're probably going to see and get from that person... Unless said person still loses their cool over the harmless visual/audio effects of the Party Ball.
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
you mean the type for the reason i cant use my bikini off risa?
system Lord Baal is dead
you know, a nice little diversion from the endless monotonous grinding that is unfortunately required in order to keep the servers running and the staff getting money to put food on the table
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Meh...
Those are pretty far apart... I don't think they've even made it to the long list of considerations for FCT thread... me personally... I don't remember when I've seen them last.
Well first off, The fireworks dosen't make your ship dance... Secondly, it's a very limited feature, so it dosen't affect many people, and not often enough to actually become annoying in the first place.
People are generally capable and willing to accept some discomfort, but only to a certain degree.
I think that may be why this became an issue in the first place... Had the Balls only been useable during risa event, I doubt it would ever have gotten out of hand.
none of my characters have bikinis to not be able to wear off risa in the first place
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
lol, this game is already boring like a preaching; the party amp adds a little bit of fun; after the fights against always the same ennemies, after tons of crafting/farming/grinding, a little dance is a good thing. And i personally like to see Klingons dancing :P
why do you want to remove all the funny stuff from this game
I use and i like the amp, and i'm going to use it again again again and again. btw i'm maybe a troll, but at least i enjoy. And not i'm not a teen :P
this game becomes a retirement home for old senile; this is just a GAME; nothing is seious
If you require a spinning ball with strobe lights coming out to have fun in a game theres no hope for mmo's :P
[/SIGPIC]
I must have overlooked that, and still can't find anybody claiming that nobody, at any point, ever used the disco ball to troll people. I certainly never said this, as like I said, I know full well that where you get more than 1 person, you get bullies. Even without the party amp, there are 100s of ways of doing the same thing in ANY game, even just using emotes.
Ok, I can accept that you perhaps don't get the psychology of bullies and trolls. It doesn't always take on to know one by the way. Sometimes somebody who has been a victim of bullies seeks to learn their psychology, plus anybody who has gone into learning about psychology would pick at least a little up. So I will happily explain. Troll sets off party amp, sees who is dancing, thinks "meh they aren't bothered by my trolliing, boring!". Sees who isn't dancing "Ha! They're so bothered that they raised 100GPL and wasted an inventory space just so as not to be effected by a party amp! How sad is that? Lulz!". Does that help a little? If the nullifier was a gui option, and had been there all along, and a majority had turned it on from the off, then sure it wouldn't be a reaction. But I suspect you will find that only a minority of players will bother with them, and they may as well just wear a sign around their necks saying "Your party amp annoys me!"....
Heh, maybe I will be proven wrong, but again I point to the lack of any trolls or party amp lovers posting in this thread about how the nullifier should never have been added as evidence that maybe, just maybe, I am right here.
honestly, it always did strike me as silly that you could just deploy these at random and not suffer any consequences for doing so...at the very least, doing it on ESD outside of the now-nonexistant club 47 should've caused starfleet security to come and toss you in the brig
but i get the feeling that would've been impossible on this game's engine, even if the devs would've had a mind to implement something like that
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Yea... I am not going to point out the 20 or so places this happend... You're just going to have to try this time.
Point is: IF the "trolls" troll using balls on a person they know got the nullifier, hoping for a response/reaction, he will basically be trolling himself... it won't bother the guy who isn't dancing anymore, but the "troll" (note I use the "-sign) will be putting an efford into "harassing" the other party.
Basically he will troll himself, because the other guy isn't reacting to him...
Thats like a bully hitting himself, in the hopes of getting the little guy to cry... It just dosen't seem to be effective.
i know my caitians love them, though - blinking lights and all that
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
We need a ball of string...
I don't, but theres a cool tool for non combat fun the foundry, or risa, like tahiti "it's a magical place"
*plays S.H.I.E.L.D. theme*
[/SIGPIC]
Some people toss party balls, other people, such as myself, like to RP within the Star Trek setting. Everyone has their own version of fun.
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
WHEN that happens, yes, I agree. As I've said though, to a bully (let's stop calling them trolls, and be much more honest about what a person who derives enjoyment from the discomfort of others is) ANY negative reaction is like sweet candy, and please don't attribute too much intelligence to every bully in the game. Sure there are probably some quite intelligent ones, they're probably using far more subtle methods though to be honest.
The threads complaining about it would have caused pure joy for them, and the complaining here is probably almost as good for them.
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has had his music turn down from year 1
system Lord Baal is dead
still want to met this Admiral Bobo sound like a cool Admiral :P
system Lord Baal is dead
First off that's not my whole post, second use the filter to select non combat missions, or type non combat missions you'll find plenty. :P
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I'm one of these TROLLS, and sorry when i use the amp, i don't have plans. often i use it when i'm in the exchange and because it's more fun than just standing like an idiot in front of a console
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didn't even know that the party amp even played music, as has never actually had the in game music turned on since the first hour of playing....
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turned off zone chat when realised it didn't actually serve any useful purpose...
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has always just ignored the party amp effects, then just moved away once finished with the exchange/ship selector etc etc....
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if wanted to RP, would have the sense to go somewhere "private" to do so, not that I do anyway as not overly interested in RP.
so every one in star trek a idiot? do we forget what most do 80% of the show
system Lord Baal is dead