Seeing this generated serious arguments enough to get people in trouble for simply asking for a way to make it stop this is definitely a win.
Again:
two types of people in STO.
Those here for the Star Trek and those here for the game.
The Trekkers would not ever dream of breaking another's immersion with silly antics.
The gamers like to push the envelope and use anything available in the game, especially if it bothers someone else.
Now both sides can have their way, yet there is upset over the fact that people can now resist the unwanted antics.
This proves the troll that the device had become.
You must be reading a different thread, as NOBODY in this thread has said anything to suggest that they are upset that people can now "resist the unwanted antics" at all, to the contrary in fact. Plenty of people however demanding the means to give those enjoying "unwanted antics" a bad day.... Yet they call the party amp fans trolls and bullies.... The irony.
Seeing this generated serious arguments enough to get people in trouble for simply asking for a way to make it stop this is definitely a win.
Again:
Two types of people in STO.
Those here for the Star Trek and those here for the game.
The Trekkers would not ever dream of breaking another's immersion with silly antics.
The gamers like to push the envelope and use anything available in the game, especially if it bothers someone else.
Now both sides can have their way, yet there is upset over the fact that people can now resist the unwanted antics.
This proves the troll that the device had become.
There are more than that.
There are people who like to have fun in a Star Trek themed game.
There are those that want to interact with others in a Star Trek themed game.
There are even Star Trek fans who are not at all bothered with silliness.
People are not just item A or B.
You can generate a serious argument over flavors of ice cream. :rolleyes:
The device itself is not the issue. The problem arises when players interact with one another.
There are people who like to have fun in a Star Trek themed game.
There are those that want to interact with others in a Star Trek themed game.
There are even Star Trek fans who are not at all bothered with silliness.
People are not just item A or B.
You can generate a serious argument over flavors of ice cream. :rolleyes:
The device itself is not the issue. The problem arises when players interact with one another.
so scrap STO as an MMO and turn it into a single player game - and therefore make it open to modding so all the whining about imbalance will finally stop, as people can then balance as they wish
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
so scrap STO as an MMO and turn it into a single player game - and therefore make it open to modding so all the whining about imbalance will finally stop, as people can then balance as they wish
viola! multiple problems solved in one pass
moding would help this game think sto meets skyrim moding
moding would help this game think sto meets skyrim moding
that would only be possible if STO were using skyrim's exact game engine...which it unfortunately isn't
shame, too; i like how moddable all the elder scrolls from morrowind onward have been, and some very impressive stuff has been made for all those games because of it
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
so scrap STO as an MMO and turn it into a single player game - and therefore make it open to modding so all the whining about imbalance will finally stop, as people can then balance as they wish
There are people who like to have fun in a Star Trek themed game.
There are those that want to interact with others in a Star Trek themed game.
There are even Star Trek fans who are not at all bothered with silliness.
People are not just item A or B.
You can generate a serious argument over flavors of ice cream. :rolleyes:
The device itself is not the issue. The problem arises when players interact with one another.
Rather when certain players interact with one another.
As a Roleplayer, I can easily consider myself a mix of all three of those types, because, in the case of the last one, Star Trek has had some really silly, whacked out stuff in it before (THIS comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhHbf2rcsU4)
Still, there are points where immersion can be broken, and some of us aren't going to be in silly mode 100% of the time. Say, when two players are sitting at a table in Quarks, or Drozana or something, and they're trying to have a "serious", in-character discussion between their characters, when somebody comes along, hops on their table after throwing a party ball unprovoked and starts dancing. They're most likely gonna find that annoying, and on top of that, rude and disruptive. So I can understand why people would be irate about that.
But. We've got a device now that deals with that. The visual effects produced by the Party Ball are otherwise harmless and can easily be ignored, along with the player dancing on the table. So as far as I'm concerned... I've no longer got a problem.
"[GARBLED ELECTRONIC NOISES]"
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Rather when certain players interact with one another.
As a Roleplayer, I can easily consider myself a mix of all three of those types, because, in the case of the last one, Star Trek has had some really silly, whacked out stuff in it before (THIS comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhHbf2rcsU4)
Still, there are points where immersion can be broken, and some of us aren't going to be in silly mode 100% of the time. Say, when two players are sitting at a table in Quarks, or Drozana or something, and they're trying to have a "serious", in-character discussion between their characters, when somebody comes along, hops on their table after throwing a party ball unprovoked and starts dancing. They're most likely gonna find that annoying, and on top of that, rude and disruptive. So I can understand why people would be irate about that.
But. We've got a device now that deals with that. The visual effects produced by the Party Ball are otherwise harmless and can easily be ignored, along with the player dancing on the table. So as far as I'm concerned... I've no longer got a problem.
That was sort of my point. Thank you for illustrating it.
dont metter back in year one there was a mod site for this game and did thing took this game log time to do like remove sector space grind turn lcars to TNG look and many more but cryptic found them out and shut them down
These people couldn't ignore the visual effects of their characters dancing. And that's all the party amps do. Dancing doesn't interfere with any game mechanic or feature.
So all those other things will still drive the anti-amp crowd nuts.
The big difference is that the dance animation is -forced- on your character. Which can be annoying as sin if you're using another emote, or sitting. It may not affect things gameplay wise, but it bothers Roleplayers who are trying to do their own thing. The particle effects produced by things like the Party Poppers, Fire Extinguishers and even the Party Ball itself are otherwise harmless and don't affect your character, just the environment.
"[GARBLED ELECTRONIC NOISES]"
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
as people have said, the ultimate goal of any troll is to get a reaction out of their target...which they have been continuiously getting since the amps were added
Which would never have happened if the opt out option had been in place from day one.
OK, maybe there'd still have been some fanatics, but the majority of the complaints are answered with this new device.
It should have been offered with the disco ball in the first place.
All this wailing and gnashing of teeth was fairly predictable in its absence.
Ok, gone a bit off topic here now, but I am going to respond anyway.
Is it so difficult if you want an undisturbed RP to use somewhere PRIVATE for it? Eg. your own ship, a fleet starbase or even a foundry map setup? Yes yes, I have seen the argument that party ball users could do the same, but they're not here complaining about RPers spoiling their party ball use are they?
Here's something else to consider, bearing witness to a player to player RP could actually be immersion breaking for somebody who doesn't agree with their RP for whatever reason, so it would be far too easy to argue that RP'ing in a public place is for some disruptive and immersion breaking...
If you find RP'ing in a "public place" too disruptive, go somewhere private to do it, where you CAN control every aspect of it. I believe I've already addressed the "why should I?" argument.
At this point though, I have to agree that the thread has completely left the subspace party nullifier topic.
dont metter back in year one there was a mod site for this game and did thing took this game log time to do like remove sector space grind turn lcars to TNG look and many more
It does matter. Do you think it would be good to allow mods that grant unfair advantages to players in PvP or mods that automate farming processes?
The second M in MMO stands for Multiplayer. Mods work in a single player game because there there are no other players in the game to unduly affect, and don't have to be balanced. When you have the multiplayer element, any sort of modification would have to be balanced to prevent it from breaking the game, or from granting an undue advantage.
Ok, gone a bit off topic here now, but I am going to respond anyway.
Is it so difficult if you want an undisturbed RP to use somewhere PRIVATE for it? Eg. your own ship, a fleet starbase or even a foundry map setup? Yes yes, I have seen the argument that party ball users could do the same, but they're not here complaining about RPers spoiling their party ball use are they?
Here's something else to consider, bearing witness to a player to player RP could actually be immersion breaking for somebody who doesn't agree with their RP for whatever reason, so it would be far too easy to argue that RP'ing in a public place is for some disruptive and immersion breaking...
If you find RP'ing in a "public place" too disruptive, go somewhere private to do it, where you CAN control every aspect of it. I believe I've already addressed the "why should I?" argument.
At this point though, I have to agree that the thread has completely left the subspace party nullifier topic.
well duh they are having fun disrupting others fun so ya they are not going to complain
It does matter. Do you think it would be good to allow mods that grant unfair advantages to players in PvP or mods that automate farming processes?
The second M in MMO stands for Multiplayer. Mods work in a single player game because there there are no other players in the game to unduly affect, and don't have to be balanced. When you have the multiplayer element, any sort of modification would have to be balanced to prevent it from breaking the game, or from granting an undue advantage.
i was talking about if the game was made in to a single player games..............my god and was really talking about this post here
so scrap STO as an MMO and turn it into a single player game - and therefore make it open to modding so all the whining about imbalance will finally stop, as people can then balance as they wish
well duh they are having fun disrupting others fun so ya they are not going to complain
So? The device is in the game, it's a part of the game, it's an MMO, they have the right to use a device in the game wherever it can be used. That right was given to them by the game devs.
Just as those who find this style of play disruptive, and want to have control of a sterile area have the right to create one for themselves, rather than seeking to control every other player in the game.
Just like a player has the right to find ways to avoid "listening" to other players claiming to be the victor of the battle for the planet blorbo, such as walking away/turning off that chat channel etc. Because yes, a dodgy, badly done RP can be just as disruptive as a flashing disco ball.
So? The device is in the game, it's a part of the game, it's an MMO, they have the right to use a device in the game wherever it can be used. That right was given to them by the game devs.
Just as those who find this style of play disruptive, and want to have control of a sterile area have the right to create one for themselves, rather than seeking to control every other player in the game.
Just like a player has the right to find ways to avoid "listening" to other players claiming to be the victor of the battle for the planet blorbo, such as walking away/turning off that chat channel etc. Because yes, a dodgy, badly done RP can be just as disruptive as a flashing disco ball.
Equality buddy, equality.
dont matter who got the rights now you cant make my toon dance end of story and why this thread should now be closed it not even talking about SPN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
doing what you ppl love to do best debate over nothing till the cows come home
Ok, gone a bit off topic here now, but I am going to respond anyway.
Is it so difficult if you want an undisturbed RP to use somewhere PRIVATE for it? Eg. your own ship, a fleet starbase or even a foundry map setup? Yes yes, I have seen the argument that party ball users could do the same, but they're not here complaining about RPers spoiling their party ball use are they?
Here's something else to consider, bearing witness to a player to player RP could actually be immersion breaking for somebody who doesn't agree with their RP for whatever reason, so it would be far too easy to argue that RP'ing in a public place is for some disruptive and immersion breaking...
If you find RP'ing in a "public place" too disruptive, go somewhere private to do it, where you CAN control every aspect of it. I believe I've already addressed the "why should I?" argument.
At this point though, I have to agree that the thread has completely left the subspace party nullifier topic.
I've heard this argument before, and here's my counter to it.
If you've got an issue with someone RPing in public, whether it's with how they're RPing, or RP in general, there's a nifty little ignore button that you can press and BAM. Problem solved. Now if they're actually ERPing in public... That's a different matter entirely, and a reportable offense, and it's something I'd report ASAP.
Not everybody wants to RP on their Starbase, Foundry Maps, or Ship Interiors. Some of us want to go to famous, from-the-show locations like Quarks, Risa, Starfleet Academy or ESD to roleplay. Heck, I loved Drozana for some of my characters, my Nausicaan pirate for instance. Seemed like the perfect place for him to get a drink, maybe do some shady dealing and get into the occasional bar brawl. This was before F2P, mind you.
People shouldn't have to feel forced out of a public place because some people lack common courtesy or manners. Thankfully though, this little device deals with one of the biggest issues causing folks to complain about that, and that makes me happy.
"[GARBLED ELECTRONIC NOISES]"
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
dont matter who got the rights now you cant make my toon dance end of story and why this thread should now be closed it not even talking about SPN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
doing what you ppl love to do best debate over nothing till the cows come home
I think that you just confused me with somebody who has EVER even owned, let alone used, a party amplifier. Rather than a person who believes that people have a right to play with an item added to the game, by the devs, to be used in social zones.
But that's ok, I really don't mind overly, as right now that group seems to be the rational and friendly one.
I think that you just confused me with somebody who has EVER even owned, let alone used, a party amplifier. Rather than a person who believes that people have a right to play with an item added to the game, by the devs, to be used in social zones.
But that's ok, I really don't mind overly, as right now that group seems to be the rational and friendly one.
ya they was this thing back in the day called cryo grenade was used same way disco balls are whens last time you saw one used on esd ? item put in the game by the dev
dont matter who got the rights now you cant make my toon dance end of story and why this thread should now be closed it not even talking about SPN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
doing what you ppl love to do best debate over nothing till the cows come home
ya they was this thing back in the day called cryo grenade was used same way disco balls are whens last time you saw one used on esd ? item put in the game by the dev
Aye, and if the devs remove the party amp you wont see me complaining about that either, I'll respect their decision to remove it.
What I wont respect is people believing that they have the right to decide how other players should enjoy the game.
If you see this as making me a troll, fair enough, it does me no harm you thinking this and I wish you well.
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system Lord Baal is dead
You must be reading a different thread, as NOBODY in this thread has said anything to suggest that they are upset that people can now "resist the unwanted antics" at all, to the contrary in fact. Plenty of people however demanding the means to give those enjoying "unwanted antics" a bad day.... Yet they call the party amp fans trolls and bullies.... The irony.
There are more than that.
There are people who like to have fun in a Star Trek themed game.
There are those that want to interact with others in a Star Trek themed game.
There are even Star Trek fans who are not at all bothered with silliness.
People are not just item A or B.
You can generate a serious argument over flavors of ice cream. :rolleyes:
The device itself is not the issue. The problem arises when players interact with one another.
viola! multiple problems solved in one pass
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
moding would help this game think sto meets skyrim moding
system Lord Baal is dead
shame, too; i like how moddable all the elder scrolls from morrowind onward have been, and some very impressive stuff has been made for all those games because of it
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
There are already single player Star Trek games, it's not the fault of those who actually enoy MMOs if they aren't actually any good.
Where did you get that from?
I never advocated anything of the sort.
Modding would cause more problems that it would solve making it impractical.
well my stable 180 moded skyrim would disagree with ya
system Lord Baal is dead
Rather when certain players interact with one another.
As a Roleplayer, I can easily consider myself a mix of all three of those types, because, in the case of the last one, Star Trek has had some really silly, whacked out stuff in it before (THIS comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhHbf2rcsU4)
Still, there are points where immersion can be broken, and some of us aren't going to be in silly mode 100% of the time. Say, when two players are sitting at a table in Quarks, or Drozana or something, and they're trying to have a "serious", in-character discussion between their characters, when somebody comes along, hops on their table after throwing a party ball unprovoked and starts dancing. They're most likely gonna find that annoying, and on top of that, rude and disruptive. So I can understand why people would be irate about that.
But. We've got a device now that deals with that. The visual effects produced by the Party Ball are otherwise harmless and can easily be ignored, along with the player dancing on the table. So as far as I'm concerned... I've no longer got a problem.
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
Is Skyrim an MMO?
though, i did some tinkering around that i haven't actually bothered to check afterwards - been too busy over here
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
That was sort of my point. Thank you for illustrating it.
dont metter back in year one there was a mod site for this game and did thing took this game log time to do like remove sector space grind turn lcars to TNG look and many more but cryptic found them out and shut them down
system Lord Baal is dead
The big difference is that the dance animation is -forced- on your character. Which can be annoying as sin if you're using another emote, or sitting. It may not affect things gameplay wise, but it bothers Roleplayers who are trying to do their own thing. The particle effects produced by things like the Party Poppers, Fire Extinguishers and even the Party Ball itself are otherwise harmless and don't affect your character, just the environment.
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
Which would never have happened if the opt out option had been in place from day one.
OK, maybe there'd still have been some fanatics, but the majority of the complaints are answered with this new device.
It should have been offered with the disco ball in the first place.
All this wailing and gnashing of teeth was fairly predictable in its absence.
Is it so difficult if you want an undisturbed RP to use somewhere PRIVATE for it? Eg. your own ship, a fleet starbase or even a foundry map setup? Yes yes, I have seen the argument that party ball users could do the same, but they're not here complaining about RPers spoiling their party ball use are they?
Here's something else to consider, bearing witness to a player to player RP could actually be immersion breaking for somebody who doesn't agree with their RP for whatever reason, so it would be far too easy to argue that RP'ing in a public place is for some disruptive and immersion breaking...
If you find RP'ing in a "public place" too disruptive, go somewhere private to do it, where you CAN control every aspect of it. I believe I've already addressed the "why should I?" argument.
At this point though, I have to agree that the thread has completely left the subspace party nullifier topic.
It does matter. Do you think it would be good to allow mods that grant unfair advantages to players in PvP or mods that automate farming processes?
The second M in MMO stands for Multiplayer. Mods work in a single player game because there there are no other players in the game to unduly affect, and don't have to be balanced. When you have the multiplayer element, any sort of modification would have to be balanced to prevent it from breaking the game, or from granting an undue advantage.
well duh they are having fun disrupting others fun so ya they are not going to complain
system Lord Baal is dead
i was talking about if the game was made in to a single player games..............my god and was really talking about this post here
system Lord Baal is dead
So? The device is in the game, it's a part of the game, it's an MMO, they have the right to use a device in the game wherever it can be used. That right was given to them by the game devs.
Just as those who find this style of play disruptive, and want to have control of a sterile area have the right to create one for themselves, rather than seeking to control every other player in the game.
Just like a player has the right to find ways to avoid "listening" to other players claiming to be the victor of the battle for the planet blorbo, such as walking away/turning off that chat channel etc. Because yes, a dodgy, badly done RP can be just as disruptive as a flashing disco ball.
Equality buddy, equality.
dont matter who got the rights now you cant make my toon dance end of story and why this thread should now be closed it not even talking about SPN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
doing what you ppl love to do best debate over nothing till the cows come home
system Lord Baal is dead
I've heard this argument before, and here's my counter to it.
If you've got an issue with someone RPing in public, whether it's with how they're RPing, or RP in general, there's a nifty little ignore button that you can press and BAM. Problem solved. Now if they're actually ERPing in public... That's a different matter entirely, and a reportable offense, and it's something I'd report ASAP.
Not everybody wants to RP on their Starbase, Foundry Maps, or Ship Interiors. Some of us want to go to famous, from-the-show locations like Quarks, Risa, Starfleet Academy or ESD to roleplay. Heck, I loved Drozana for some of my characters, my Nausicaan pirate for instance. Seemed like the perfect place for him to get a drink, maybe do some shady dealing and get into the occasional bar brawl. This was before F2P, mind you.
People shouldn't have to feel forced out of a public place because some people lack common courtesy or manners. Thankfully though, this little device deals with one of the biggest issues causing folks to complain about that, and that makes me happy.
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
I think that you just confused me with somebody who has EVER even owned, let alone used, a party amplifier. Rather than a person who believes that people have a right to play with an item added to the game, by the devs, to be used in social zones.
But that's ok, I really don't mind overly, as right now that group seems to be the rational and friendly one.
ya they was this thing back in the day called cryo grenade was used same way disco balls are whens last time you saw one used on esd ? item put in the game by the dev
system Lord Baal is dead
This is what I was referring to. You had quoted me, so I was under the impression that was directed at me.
I was referring to the idea of modding STO.
It was a misunderstanding.
Pot meets Kettle. PvP ensues with loud noises.
Aye, and if the devs remove the party amp you wont see me complaining about that either, I'll respect their decision to remove it.
What I wont respect is people believing that they have the right to decide how other players should enjoy the game.
If you see this as making me a troll, fair enough, it does me no harm you thinking this and I wish you well.
Please folks, that was intended partly as humour, let's not turn this into a PvP debate.