And to some, fun = not having their character forced into dancing. Hard concept to grasp, I know. :rolleyes:
No, the difficult concept is why it actually matters and has a negative impact at all?
You HAVE missed my point. That been that to be trolled by these things, you actually have to get annoyed with them. You CAN chose to just not care, and so you can't be trolled with them, and it just becomes another thing in a game, whilst those who enjoy seeing other plays dance can do so.
The difficult concept is that some people seem to think that they have some special right to be the ones who decide what is fun and what isn't, and what should and should not be allowed. You're been given an option to opt out of been forced to dance, and yet you are still shedding tears and crying out about trolls, who would not exist if you just made the choice to stop giving a hoot that a group of pixels on a screen are doing something that you didn't tell them to do.
I find it very telling that those who are stooping to thinly veiled insults and passive aggressive posts are actually the ones claiming to be trolled by a toy in a game. This isn't a case of trolls vs nice people, but more of a case of troll vs troll.
Have I said that they shouldn't add the nullifier? No, I support them adding this, although I know full well that those who have spent all these months complaining about the amplifier will just find a new dead horse to flog.
As to playing on the test server, no, I actually like to play the game, advance etc. I'd just like the option to do so away from those who feel they have the right to define what is fun and what isn't, and to control HARMLESS actions of other players, actions that very literally do no actual harm to the player. The players own anger at such a silly thing is what does the harm. To be trolled you actually have to make a decision to be bothered by a statement or action when said statement or action takes the form of pixels on a screen. Yet for some reason there is anger in response for my desire to be separated from the people who want to control everything, to have their own little uber serious black and white world, when this would seem to actually serve their desires also? Or is my mistake here in thinking that their desire is just to be free of individuality and expression, is their desire more to actually force their black and white (or shade of beige if you would rather) idea of fun and gameplay upon those who DON'T share these ideas?
Or is it that some just feel that adding :rolleyes: to a post is the strongest form of argument, as those who already agree with them applaud this?
again let me make your character go jump off a cliff then you can make my character dance
what i find funny is ppl think they have a right to make my character dance............ because it fun to them........... what fun to one it not fun to someone else cough rep grind cough fleet grind cough new crafting cough
Feel free, so long as my character resets to the top of the cliff shortly afterwards, with no loss of hp, items etc..... I'll opt out of making your character do anything though if you don't mind, that's just not my thing. I'm not into forcing other players to play the way I like to play, whether via an in game item, or via making demands on a forum.
I'd much rather spend my time enjoying the game that is in front of me, and having my character wear sunglasses indoors. :cool:
As long as this thread still isn't dead, I want to ask a simple question. Please note, I'm done taking sides. All I wish is to ask a question.
A couple weeks ago on Bajor, my friend and I were doing causal RP. It was going fine, until this dude showed up and dumped a party amp on us for no reason. We move away, he follows. We try swapping instances, but there's only one. We could move to our bridge, but a bridge is not Bajor. Eventually he left but it was about an hour later, so we had to leave too.
So to those of you who defend party amps: we exhausted the options for getting away from him and still doing our RP the way we wanted it. That is out of the way. Now the question:
Is his fun more important than ours?
Should we just have to suck it up and accept a ruined experience? You might say, "It's a public zone," but that comes back to the question. Why does he get to have fun (by ruining ours), but we don't? Why should we not be allowed an option to have our own Star Trek fun in a Star Trek game?
Again, I'm not whining about it. I'm not gonna cry because the bad man made flashy lights. If I see a disco ball, I let out a sigh and go on to wherever I'm going.
I'm just asking that question.
Think about this before you go saying anything about those who don't like dancing to the party ball (of course, the people who are throwing around insults, thinly-veiled or otherwise, on either side, I'm not supporting. Insulting isn't nice.).
The players own anger at such a silly thing is what does the harm. To be trolled you actually have to make a decision to be bothered by a statement or action when said statement or action takes the form of pixels on a screen.
That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.
However, I recognise that some people do derive enjoyment from these things, and recognise their right to do so. It's a GAME, you PLAY it to have FUN.
Sorry but you can't be a Star Trek fan and have fun. Its apparently in the fine print.
As a fan you don't watch the shows and movies, or play the games based on it for enjoyment. You do it to nitpick the heck out of it, and to makes sure it adheres to the holy checklist of Roddenberryism.
You must worship meaningless minutiae and trek trivia as religious dogma.
You must expose the general audience for the heretics they are.
You must resist challenges to your rose colored perceptions of what Star Trek is despite it being based on faulty memory.
And finally you must use asinine phrases like "True Trek" or "Pure Trek" in conversation to give the appearance of fact to your opinions, while also treating those who disagree as your intellectual inferiors.
What didn't you know you were joining a religion and not a fandom for a television show?
I guess I am the product of growing up watching the original series, where the whole thing was all a bit tongue in cheak, and all about fun most of the time. lol I grew up enjoying fantasy and sci fi as an escape from reality, rather than treating it as an alternative reality. I actually enjoyed Enterprise and yes dare I say it the JJ films... lol
As to the rest, I support the 2 (real, tribble doesn't count with no c-store etc) shard model. One for RP and folks who want to take it all seriously, and another for those who just want to play and have fun. That way I don't have to have somebodies dogy god modding RP thrust into my face, and they don't have to put up with my tolerance and refusal to treat fantasy as reality.
As to the forums, so many people trolling themselves it's stunning to behold! Even somebody suggesting tolerance and chilling out seems to elicit self trollage...
And yet, it was addressed by the Dev team. Why? Apparently they've received/collected enough information to deem that it does indeed bother and disrupt gameplay for enough people the Devs chose to do something about it.
Aka got tired of the complaints and did something to hopefully appease them so they'll stop complaining for 5 minutes.
Ok. IMO it's a ridiculous statement because it's a no brainer that people make decisions. Of course they do. That's like stating people breathe air.
And yet, it was addressed by the Dev team. Why? Apparently they've received/collected enough information to deem that it does indeed bother and disrupt gameplay for enough people the Devs chose to do something about it.
heres a idea page from dev book maybe new players were leavin the game because of disco balls
maybe new player got lost when they saw a disco ball and thought they was in the wrong game so left to find that star trek online game you know one like the show were disco been dead for god nose how long
TBH, it's hitting an obvious and (quite frankly) ridiculous statement.
To be honest, your sentence doesn't actually even make any sense, and I've re-read it about 4 times now? Would you care to expand and elucidate?
Not least how can I hit a statement? Then how if it is obvious can it also be ridiculous? To me, if it's obvious then it's obvious because it's obviously true. How can truth be ridiculous? To become angry with something, you chose to allow their words or actions to make you angry. It's not some mirracle process that you have no control over, it's basic learned behaviour, and is the reason that anger management can be taught.
Well done though upon resisting the urge to add :rolleyes: to your sentence.
Player who dosen't want to see party things can't see them, and player who like them can... Even on those who don't want to see them will be affected by them... just not on their own screen.
The only reason someone would dislike my idea is if they are the dev who should make it happen, or a troll trying to irritate the other kind.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
again logic they think they have the right to make us dance even if we dont like it
I still blame the idiot dev who conceived them.... Or at least did not have the ability to figure out that discussions such as these would happen because of the balls.
Also note that no ball-likers have opposed my suggestion thus far...
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Aka got tired of the complaints and did something to hopefully appease them so they'll stop complaining for 5 minutes.
You refer to the point where they swap their complaints to players not wearing regulartion uniforms, breaking their immersion? Or how people have out of character conversations in local chat whilst they are trying to have that all important RP session?
I 100% support the addition of the nullifier. I've made this point a multitude of times.
What I don't support is how there is a group of people on these forums who feel that they have the right to demand that everybody plays the game how THEY feel it should be played. They're not happy with just having the nullifier, they want the removal of the actual amplifier completely. Should they get that, next they will want everybody wearing the "correct" uniform, then they will doubtless move on to wanting a man of out of character conversations in local chat, etc etc etc.
The only way to even partly resolve this is to have an RP shard and a normal shard. I know from experience however that the RP/my way folks will continue to play on the normal one, and complain about been trolled through harmless in game devices etc. I also know that the REAL trolls will move to the RP shard where they know that the most sensitive trollable targets can be found.
The way to completely resolve the issue is to a) stop thinking you have the right to force people to play a game the way you want them to, and b) stop letting things like character movements whilst idle annoy you. Even if you are mid RP, go the whole way and just shut it all out, as even if they removed the amplifier your focus would just move to something else that you find distracting, such as the guy wearing sunglasses indoors and a uniform that doesn't fit into the story of your RP. Use your imagination, your mind, and suddenly a new world opens up.
Luckily I have time to spare, otherwise wasting so much time arguing with firm and fixed beliefs and attitudes may have irritated me. :cool:
What I don't support is how there is a group of people on these forums who feel that they have the right to demand that everybody plays the game how THEY feel it should be played.
Here... This RIGHT here... Goes both ways folks.
Add to that:
Most of what happens on screen happens client-side... If people want them shut off, it should be done at the client... not the server.
I still think my idea is a great idea.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Player who dosen't want to see party things can't see them, and player who like them can... Even on those who don't want to see them will be affected by them... just not on their own screen.
The only reason someone would dislike my idea is if they are the dev who should make it happen, or a troll trying to irritate the other kind.
I don't dislike your idea at all, having the option to opt in or out would be good. It would seem however that the devs weren't so keen on that route though.
The one problem with your idea is, as you may have gathered, is that then folks will want an option to make everybody appear to be wearing the same uniform, then a chat channel adding for RP (even though I believe there are already public chat channels for RP centric play) etc etc etc.
My argument isn't even with you Anazonda, but rather with the vociferus Sheldon wannabes who want to FORCE everybody to march in line with their ideas. They're pretty obvious and easy to find, even in this thread. They don't just want the option to opt out of party amps for example, they want the person using them to actually be punished for doing so.
i have not asked for anyone to be punished and ask for immersion this entire game is immersion breaking for lots and lots of reason will not go into them reason but lets just say im one for bikinis everywhere
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No, the difficult concept is why it actually matters and has a negative impact at all?
You HAVE missed my point. That been that to be trolled by these things, you actually have to get annoyed with them. You CAN chose to just not care, and so you can't be trolled with them, and it just becomes another thing in a game, whilst those who enjoy seeing other plays dance can do so.
The difficult concept is that some people seem to think that they have some special right to be the ones who decide what is fun and what isn't, and what should and should not be allowed. You're been given an option to opt out of been forced to dance, and yet you are still shedding tears and crying out about trolls, who would not exist if you just made the choice to stop giving a hoot that a group of pixels on a screen are doing something that you didn't tell them to do.
I find it very telling that those who are stooping to thinly veiled insults and passive aggressive posts are actually the ones claiming to be trolled by a toy in a game. This isn't a case of trolls vs nice people, but more of a case of troll vs troll.
Have I said that they shouldn't add the nullifier? No, I support them adding this, although I know full well that those who have spent all these months complaining about the amplifier will just find a new dead horse to flog.
As to playing on the test server, no, I actually like to play the game, advance etc. I'd just like the option to do so away from those who feel they have the right to define what is fun and what isn't, and to control HARMLESS actions of other players, actions that very literally do no actual harm to the player. The players own anger at such a silly thing is what does the harm. To be trolled you actually have to make a decision to be bothered by a statement or action when said statement or action takes the form of pixels on a screen. Yet for some reason there is anger in response for my desire to be separated from the people who want to control everything, to have their own little uber serious black and white world, when this would seem to actually serve their desires also? Or is my mistake here in thinking that their desire is just to be free of individuality and expression, is their desire more to actually force their black and white (or shade of beige if you would rather) idea of fun and gameplay upon those who DON'T share these ideas?
Or is it that some just feel that adding :rolleyes: to a post is the strongest form of argument, as those who already agree with them applaud this?
More sunglasses please devs! :cool:
what i find funny is ppl think they have a right to make my character dance............ because it fun to them........... what fun to one it not fun to someone else cough rep grind cough fleet grind cough new crafting cough
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I'd much rather spend my time enjoying the game that is in front of me, and having my character wear sunglasses indoors. :cool:
Think about this before you go saying anything about those who don't like dancing to the party ball (of course, the people who are throwing around insults, thinly-veiled or otherwise, on either side, I'm not supporting. Insulting isn't nice.).
Quoted for hitting the bullseye.
I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
Sorry but you can't be a Star Trek fan and have fun. Its apparently in the fine print.
As a fan you don't watch the shows and movies, or play the games based on it for enjoyment. You do it to nitpick the heck out of it, and to makes sure it adheres to the holy checklist of Roddenberryism.
You must worship meaningless minutiae and trek trivia as religious dogma.
You must expose the general audience for the heretics they are.
You must resist challenges to your rose colored perceptions of what Star Trek is despite it being based on faulty memory.
And finally you must use asinine phrases like "True Trek" or "Pure Trek" in conversation to give the appearance of fact to your opinions, while also treating those who disagree as your intellectual inferiors.
What didn't you know you were joining a religion and not a fandom for a television show?
system Lord Baal is dead
As to the rest, I support the 2 (real, tribble doesn't count with no c-store etc) shard model. One for RP and folks who want to take it all seriously, and another for those who just want to play and have fun. That way I don't have to have somebodies dogy god modding RP thrust into my face, and they don't have to put up with my tolerance and refusal to treat fantasy as reality.
As to the forums, so many people trolling themselves it's stunning to behold! Even somebody suggesting tolerance and chilling out seems to elicit self trollage...
Sadly its what the hard core fandom has devolved to at this point.
And thanks to the death of objective journalism in America, people think we're all the fraking nuts.
Aka got tired of the complaints and did something to hopefully appease them so they'll stop complaining for 5 minutes.
heres a idea page from dev book maybe new players were leavin the game because of disco balls
maybe new player got lost when they saw a disco ball and thought they was in the wrong game so left to find that star trek online game you know one like the show were disco been dead for god nose how long
system Lord Baal is dead
To be honest, your sentence doesn't actually even make any sense, and I've re-read it about 4 times now? Would you care to expand and elucidate?
Not least how can I hit a statement? Then how if it is obvious can it also be ridiculous? To me, if it's obvious then it's obvious because it's obviously true. How can truth be ridiculous? To become angry with something, you chose to allow their words or actions to make you angry. It's not some mirracle process that you have no control over, it's basic learned behaviour, and is the reason that anger management can be taught.
Well done though upon resisting the urge to add :rolleyes: to your sentence.
How could anyone be unhappy with that?
Player who dosen't want to see party things can't see them, and player who like them can... Even on those who don't want to see them will be affected by them... just not on their own screen.
The only reason someone would dislike my idea is if they are the dev who should make it happen, or a troll trying to irritate the other kind.
system Lord Baal is dead
again logic they think they have the right to make us dance even if we dont like it btw is dev that made this thing still here ?!?!?!??!........
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I still blame the idiot dev who conceived them.... Or at least did not have the ability to figure out that discussions such as these would happen because of the balls.
Also note that no ball-likers have opposed my suggestion thus far...
You refer to the point where they swap their complaints to players not wearing regulartion uniforms, breaking their immersion? Or how people have out of character conversations in local chat whilst they are trying to have that all important RP session?
I 100% support the addition of the nullifier. I've made this point a multitude of times.
What I don't support is how there is a group of people on these forums who feel that they have the right to demand that everybody plays the game how THEY feel it should be played. They're not happy with just having the nullifier, they want the removal of the actual amplifier completely. Should they get that, next they will want everybody wearing the "correct" uniform, then they will doubtless move on to wanting a man of out of character conversations in local chat, etc etc etc.
The only way to even partly resolve this is to have an RP shard and a normal shard. I know from experience however that the RP/my way folks will continue to play on the normal one, and complain about been trolled through harmless in game devices etc. I also know that the REAL trolls will move to the RP shard where they know that the most sensitive trollable targets can be found.
The way to completely resolve the issue is to a) stop thinking you have the right to force people to play a game the way you want them to, and b) stop letting things like character movements whilst idle annoy you. Even if you are mid RP, go the whole way and just shut it all out, as even if they removed the amplifier your focus would just move to something else that you find distracting, such as the guy wearing sunglasses indoors and a uniform that doesn't fit into the story of your RP. Use your imagination, your mind, and suddenly a new world opens up.
Luckily I have time to spare, otherwise wasting so much time arguing with firm and fixed beliefs and attitudes may have irritated me. :cool:
Here... This RIGHT here... Goes both ways folks.
Add to that:
Most of what happens on screen happens client-side... If people want them shut off, it should be done at the client... not the server.
I still think my idea is a great idea.
I don't dislike your idea at all, having the option to opt in or out would be good. It would seem however that the devs weren't so keen on that route though.
The one problem with your idea is, as you may have gathered, is that then folks will want an option to make everybody appear to be wearing the same uniform, then a chat channel adding for RP (even though I believe there are already public chat channels for RP centric play) etc etc etc.
My argument isn't even with you Anazonda, but rather with the vociferus Sheldon wannabes who want to FORCE everybody to march in line with their ideas. They're pretty obvious and easy to find, even in this thread. They don't just want the option to opt out of party amps for example, they want the person using them to actually be punished for doing so.
I mean seriously, just WOW! :eek:
system Lord Baal is dead