Yeah, I agree. Player feedback in this game tends to be stuff along the lines of "dai plz". bleah... and people wonder why the devs don't want to talk to them.
Honestly, imho, the devs shouldn't be talking to the players. The devs should be working on the game. They should be isolated from the playerbase and not bothered by them directly. I cringe each and every time I send a PM to one of the devs.
Instead you have a community team that's versed enough in the game to answer the majority of the questions. When you get into the WAI/WAD/Bug items, you have more folks like Frost that can either answer them or send them up the food chain to get them fixed. For some of the more esoteric questions, you do have the community team collect those during the week - get them answered by the devs - and then post that weekly Q&A thing where you see the devs answering questions.
"One of questions this week was from virusdancer, and here's what gorngonzolla had to say..."
If there are pressing concerns, masses of negative feedback, etc, etc, etc - then the community team collects and passes that along as concerns the playerbase has - etc, etc, etc.
I get that Trevor is trying to reorganize things - the way he does things isn't the way Brandon did things. We'll have to see what comes of the reorganization and changes he mentioned in the podcast...
Because that statement of theirs is one of the most two-faced (excuse me if it's not quite the apropriate term, not a native English speaker) things I've ever read on the forum.
Cryptic doesn't have any 'standards' that they adhere to so far as can be seen in multiple instances of STO, but that's for another thread and we'd just derail this one if we continue.
And yes, I kinda' agree with you that these forums have turned for the worse, especially during the last year.
P.S. I've been called both a hater and a Cryptic fanboy here. Sometimes even in the same week. :P I'm just a dude on the internet with my own set of opinions. Sometimes I praise and sometimes I criticize Crpytic dependant on my views on what they do with STO.
I'll admit that I've been very critical of them since D'Angelo took the helm, but that's nothing personal, just reacting on my opinions of what'd be good or bad for the game I happen to like really much.
Fair enough, I tend to fall closer to "fanboy" most of the time. I have a habit of being slightly blind to cryptic's faults sometimes. But in terms of missions like the clusters, cryptics standards when it comes to missions tend to be high as of late.
My first thought: That's exactly what a Terminator would say.
Carp! A Termisgfdrb V
Please reconsider ARC. Please make it optional, at the least. PLEASE.
It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS.
Probably trying to release it under a hush hush. It could potentially be the worst update to ever hit the game.
I think id want to keep it quiet too, although I do think that will be worse than releasing it properly...
They drop it Thursday, the forums explode on Friday, then they're off for the weekend.
They don't get as much dung on them when it hits the fan. - Sorry that was graphic :P
So is this related to why they haven't announced the lock box key sale too?
A new forum tactic ? Hit and run.
Hopefully the folks that already voiced their concerns will just quietly /popcorn, thinking to themselves "I told you so...", "You were warned.", and the like. Nah, it's the forums, that won't happen, take the extra couple days off.
The doffing UI change alone will probably get a warm welcome... torches and pitchforks warm, but still warm :P
I just going get a lot of popcorn, ice cream, and candy and watch the forums burn up!
I see their MO hasn't changed. Release broken and painfully grindy content. Monetize the hell out of it and cash grab from kiddies with OCD who must " haz dem shinnie! "
When all rational players reject it and the well dries out they might decide to fix it. That is to say " this content doesn't meet our standard of quality. So we are removing it"
Rinse and repeat!
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Why are people still harping on the whole "not up to standards" thing. Honestly they were terrible missions IMO and deserved to be axed. Cryptics new standards are honestly, pretty great, all you need to do is look at the last few missions. And IMO whats not up to standards are not the forums, it is the people in them who provide uncontructive feedback driving the Devs away. (nothing against you personally, i havent seen enough of your posts to make that judgement)
also, if you actually read more than just a few words in the posters post that you were quoting, he was talking about the web page.. not the missions. lol..
also, if you actually read more than just a few words in the posters post that you were quoting, he was talking about the web page.. not the missions. lol..
He was referencing the part of the dev blog about clusters where they said they were not up to standards, as well as the information being presented on twitter instead of the forums. I responded to both points
@Razorwalker Not today. Our regularly scheduled blog got pushed back 1 day becasue it had soooo much awesome to build image assets for
Really? So is patch day still tomorrow, and you are just releasing the blog the same day, or is patch day being pushed back for the "awesome" in this blog?
So we will get the Newsblog two hours after Servers are (hopefully) back tomorrow?
Isn't that a little late?
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
Really? So is patch day still tomorrow, and you are just releasing the blog the same day, or is patch day being pushed back for the "awesome" in this blog?
What I'm guessing is that we'll be getting what has been advertised as "season 9.5" tomorrow with "awesome build images" of an upcoming feature that'll release separately at some point in the near future (ie. before season 10.)
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So they'll release an update that refer to as "Season" (even if it's just .5 version) without any announcement via the game's official information resources? LOL
I have no idea why they started with all of the .5 season shtick. Is it just for marketing? PR? Yeah, if they want negative PR it seems.
Why don't they just release the seasons and just add the stuff they left for later over time on regular patch days? What's the point of having Season 9.5 if 90% (if not more dependant on what percentage you give the forums) of your playerbase has no idea that it's happening tomorrow?
If this is the new way to "communicate" with us,
to treat us like Mushrooms (keep us in the dark and fed us with ... you know...),
thank you, i don't think that is the way most players want to be treated.
Please don't follow that path further.
(Edit: wow, the first update without official patchnotes)
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
It's nice to see that, in order to keep informed about game releases and other news, I will no longer have to check the forums, instead I'll just have to follow all Crypic personnel on Twitter. Makes things so much easier, and it's so much more the logical thing to do.
Well, I guess the "WIP" Doff UI that they claimed was in an 'Alpha state' is pretty much going in as is (Oh, that's right they changed the names on a couple of the UI buttons; but IGNORED 99% of the rest of the feedback given) -- I honestly thought this would be the case as it's the way Cryptic has patched and updated STO since 2009 closed beta.
So, remember you new folks - 'Alpha' = 'Eventually Live with cosmetic changes' at best. Captain Gekko strikes again.
Formerly known as Armsman from June 2008 to June 20, 2012 PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
So when is the season 10 and the winter event coming?
next summer is the winter event, or wait it happened 6 months earlier, but how can that be when the dev blogs just came up, and what about risa??
wanted to use a dark grey color for this:
season 10 will be out before years end according to earlier information, winter will likely be out weeks before the 25th of dec and finish sometime mid jan the start of next year.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
So tired of these twitter BS, not everyone does twitter. Not everyone use Facebook. You have official forums, use them.
Even less people use video game forums. If you're going to drop a word in via ANY channel the most popular social media outlets are problem the way to go. That may not specifically include you but then again if you're on the forums you tend to pick this stuff up anyway (since its easy enough to create a post of your own and link off to the other sources. See. this thread.)
Bipedal mammal and senior Foundry author.
Notable missions: Apex [AEI], Gemini [SSF], Trident [AEI], Evolution's Smile [SSF], Transcendence
Looking for something new to play? I've started building Foundry missions again in visual novel form!
Even less people use video game forums. If you're going to drop a word in via ANY channel the most popular social media outlets are problem the way to go. That may not specifically include you but then again if you're on the forums you tend to pick this stuff up anyway (since its easy enough to create a post of your own and link off to the other sources. See. this thread.)
Them sharing info via their private Tweeter, Facebook or whatever accounts is not the problem here. Not sharing that same info via the game's official venues for information, however, is a big problem.
I don't reember any MMO I've ever played to release a season without announcing it via the official venues. Frankly, this is beyond dumb.
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i was thinking more like a Full Auto rilfe, you activate it and it just spews em everywhere
Thats the party thingie from the 1'st year anniversary
Honestly, imho, the devs shouldn't be talking to the players. The devs should be working on the game. They should be isolated from the playerbase and not bothered by them directly. I cringe each and every time I send a PM to one of the devs.
Instead you have a community team that's versed enough in the game to answer the majority of the questions. When you get into the WAI/WAD/Bug items, you have more folks like Frost that can either answer them or send them up the food chain to get them fixed. For some of the more esoteric questions, you do have the community team collect those during the week - get them answered by the devs - and then post that weekly Q&A thing where you see the devs answering questions.
"One of questions this week was from virusdancer, and here's what gorngonzolla had to say..."
If there are pressing concerns, masses of negative feedback, etc, etc, etc - then the community team collects and passes that along as concerns the playerbase has - etc, etc, etc.
I get that Trevor is trying to reorganize things - the way he does things isn't the way Brandon did things. We'll have to see what comes of the reorganization and changes he mentioned in the podcast...
Fair enough, I tend to fall closer to "fanboy" most of the time. I have a habit of being slightly blind to cryptic's faults sometimes. But in terms of missions like the clusters, cryptics standards when it comes to missions tend to be high as of late.
My first thought: That's exactly what a Terminator would say.
Carp! A Termisgfdrb V
It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS.
Come with me if you want to lift!
They drop it Thursday, the forums explode on Friday, then they're off for the weekend.
They don't get as much dung on them when it hits the fan. - Sorry that was graphic :P
So is this related to why they haven't announced the lock box key sale too?
A new forum tactic ? Hit and run.
I just going get a lot of popcorn, ice cream, and candy and watch the forums burn up!
When all rational players reject it and the well dries out they might decide to fix it. That is to say " this content doesn't meet our standard of quality. So we are removing it"
Rinse and repeat!
- Judge Aaron Satie
Just going to leave this here...
also, if you actually read more than just a few words in the posters post that you were quoting, he was talking about the web page.. not the missions. lol..
He was referencing the part of the dev blog about clusters where they said they were not up to standards, as well as the information being presented on twitter instead of the forums. I responded to both points
*shakes head*
What the hell are these people doing...?
Really? So is patch day still tomorrow, and you are just releasing the blog the same day, or is patch day being pushed back for the "awesome" in this blog?
Nouveau riche LTS member
Isn't that a little late?
What I'm guessing is that we'll be getting what has been advertised as "season 9.5" tomorrow with "awesome build images" of an upcoming feature that'll release separately at some point in the near future (ie. before season 10.)
Notable missions: Apex [AEI], Gemini [SSF], Trident [AEI], Evolution's Smile [SSF], Transcendence
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exactly... in good ole cryptic fashion.. this also means the servers will be jelly tomorrow too.. cause nothing works right..
lol..
by all accounts it hasnt already been released yet and its already a disaster of a start.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
*facepalm*
So they'll release an update that refer to as "Season" (even if it's just .5 version) without any announcement via the game's official information resources? LOL
I have no idea why they started with all of the .5 season shtick. Is it just for marketing? PR? Yeah, if they want negative PR it seems.
Why don't they just release the seasons and just add the stuff they left for later over time on regular patch days? What's the point of having Season 9.5 if 90% (if not more dependant on what percentage you give the forums) of your playerbase has no idea that it's happening tomorrow?
Cryptic, what's wrong with you lately?
to treat us like Mushrooms (keep us in the dark and fed us with ... you know...),
thank you, i don't think that is the way most players want to be treated.
Please don't follow that path further.
(Edit: wow, the first update without official patchnotes)
/Sarcasm.
So, remember you new folks - 'Alpha' = 'Eventually Live with cosmetic changes' at best. Captain Gekko strikes again.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Keep checking that twitter.
next summer is the winter event, or wait it happened 6 months earlier, but how can that be when the dev blogs just came up, and what about risa??
wanted to use a dark grey color for this:
season 10 will be out before years end according to earlier information, winter will likely be out weeks before the 25th of dec and finish sometime mid jan the start of next year.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Even less people use video game forums. If you're going to drop a word in via ANY channel the most popular social media outlets are problem the way to go. That may not specifically include you but then again if you're on the forums you tend to pick this stuff up anyway (since its easy enough to create a post of your own and link off to the other sources. See. this thread.)
Notable missions: Apex [AEI], Gemini [SSF], Trident [AEI], Evolution's Smile [SSF], Transcendence
Looking for something new to play? I've started building Foundry missions again in visual novel form!
Them sharing info via their private Tweeter, Facebook or whatever accounts is not the problem here. Not sharing that same info via the game's official venues for information, however, is a big problem.
I don't reember any MMO I've ever played to release a season without announcing it via the official venues. Frankly, this is beyond dumb.