looking at the command space powers ehhh even at T6 with a command hybrid it would still be lack luster. the intelligence powers are much better to the point where the command slot would probably just be used for the normal career seat in most cases
still would be better then the current galaxy but really it's not that hard to be better
I have to say, the command abilities sound very nice in theory. I love the ability to call in attack ships, that's what I thought "hanger pets" should have been from the start. A lot of them sound kinda trek-ish and fun. The problem is, as gpgtx said, none of them will make the Galaxy stand out and none of them probably directly boosts dps unlike the intelligence ones which in turn makes the T6 Galaxy, if there is one, once again the bottom line. Not that it would hinder me from trying her out, I ground around 500-600k dil only to purchase either a T6 Galaxy or Nebula and I will play it, no matter how dps numbers will be XD
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I have to say, the command abilities sound very nice in theory. I love the ability to call in attack ships, that's what I thought "hanger pets" should have been from the start. A lot of them sound kinda trek-ish and fun. The problem is, as gpgtx said, none of them will make the Galaxy stand out and none of them probably directly boosts dps unlike the intelligence ones which in turn makes the T6 Galaxy, if there is one, once again the bottom line. Not that it would hinder me from trying her out, I ground around 500-600k dil only to purchase either a T6 Galaxy or Nebula and I will play it, no matter how dps numbers will be XD
Well it should deal significant dps. Basing on Its t5U version which deals significant dps assuming you have an optimized build and piloting skills with gal R ship.
Currently, if optimized a Fleet patrol escort is at 170k+, Scimitar at 160k+, Akira/5 tac console escorts 100-120k, Galaxy X/Avenger around 80k with galaxy R and Nebulas around 70k dps using all tac toons.
replace galaxy T5U with any other fed cruiser and that would be higher for the simple fact you actually have an ensing level ability that does something
replace galaxy T5U with any other fed cruiser and that would be higher for the simple fact you actually have an ensing level ability that does something
Why would it?
3 tac boff ship
Lt
FAw1
APB1
Ens
TT1
Gal R
LT
TT1 Faw2
The debuff is utterly neglible unless you guys want to solo stuff or you guys dont have recluse nannies or debuff support. You are also giving up Faw 2 for Faw 1.
Considering that tac cruiser Ships with 4 tac consoles usually have 2 sci consoles while Galaxy R has 3 sci consoles. Plasma doping anyone?
Your Galaxy R builds/mentality/grouping are literally outdated if you cant DPS with a Galaxy R nowadays.
i am not talking about DPS i am talking about a useless ensign slot. unless more engineer ensign level powers have been added in the last month i do not know about
the star cruiser can out DPS and out tank a gal-r and it is a free ship
i am not talking about DPS i am talking about a useless ensign slot. unless more engineer ensign level powers have been added in the last month i do not know about
the star cruiser can out DPS and out tank a gal-r and it is a free ship
I have extensively tested builds on star cruiser and GAL. For my style of play, the Star Cruiser was exceptional while the GAL was much less fun or effective. Surprising ...
I must agree with your observations sir, plus one.
if no future ships have better then an intel LT, they will all basically be in the same boat. it can run OSS2, that will keep it a totally useable ship practically indefinitely at this point.
its only very slightly behind the guardian, they would have the same console setup, but stations a bit different
COM eng
LTC eng LT tac* LT sci LT uni
vs
COM eng LTC tac LTC sci LT eng* ENS uni
thats pretty comparable. the galaxy would be a better tank, AtD and RSP are easy to slot, on the guardian all it really has for eng is its COM station, you need the phantom trait or thats a problem. this is another important factor with tier 6 ship layouts, is there enough room to slot important intel skills without displacing something else as important? there's no opportunity cost to worry about when slotting OSS on what the tier 6 galaxy would have. as long as the intel hybrid is it's tac station, if its it's sci, it would pretty much have to do without ether APB or FAW, or worse, ether ST or HE.
the guardian can effectively slot some offensive sci, but thats not terribly useful on a beam boat,. a LTC tac is always useful, but again a simple beam boat doesn't NEED one like a cannon and or torp included build does. 5 fore weapons, don't mater much on beam array boats, thats a cannon ship advantage. im not too worried about it ending up being the worst tier 6 cruiser or something, its still going to be up on the same performance plateau as the very best, the gap between best and worst will be extremely small, compared to how things were at tier 5.
don't forget, the 3rd ENS is gone, its gonna have 3 built in tac consoles, the things that ruined the ship are no longer present. plus it gains an unprecedented damage booster, so it can FAW like a scimitar wile its active for 20 seconds, every 30 seconds. trust me, this is the good galaxy we have been waiting for.
they would probably release the galaxyX the same way too, judging by the intrepid release, they REALLY love ship packs. unless they did something crazy and gave it a LTC tac, it should probably have that exact same station setup. with its hanger, and its lance. the launch of tier 6 galaxys might be what triggers usability of the saucer sep console on the guardian too.
For the love of Pete, please learn rank abbreviations people. It is Star FLEET.
COM is communications not Commander. Commander is CDR.
LTC is Lieutenant Colonel of your embarked Fleet Marines. LCDR is Lieutenant Commander.
- end of rant. Please excuse this allergic reaction to ignorance. I forgive your butchery.
I would personally love the T6 GAL to have a Hybrid ENG / Command Specialist Commander seat, with a TAC / Intel Specialist LT seat. It makes the most sense to me. And you need that universal ENS seat, otherwise where will you put Wesley Crusher?
For the love of Pete, please learn rank abbreviations people. It is Star FLEET.
COM is communications not Commander. Commander is CDR.
LTC is Lieutenant Colonel of your embarked Fleet Marines. LCDR is Lieutenant Commander.
- end of rant. Please excuse this allergic reaction to ignorance. I forgive your butchery.
I would personally love the T6 GAL to have a Hybrid ENG / Command Specialist Commander seat, with a TAC / Intel Specialist LT seat. It makes the most sense to me. And you need that universal ENS seat, otherwise where will you put Wesley Crusher?
True, except for the fct that there are no marines in Starfleet, at least not with a different rank structure. Security personnel uses your regular starfleet rank pattern. That being said I think everyone knows what COM and LTC in a ship layout are supposed to mean and it's faster to type. If we were accurate though you are right.
On another note, you are once again bringing the super-galaxy up. Why should it get a command commander seat AND a intel seat? The Pathfinder is the template, the Galaxy and Defiant will probably use this template with a hybrid lt in their repective specialization. The Galaxy might become a lt command hybrid ship, the command specialised ships will most likely be cryptic designs with a commander hybrid, I'd suspect the Typhoon being one of them.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
For the love of Pete, please learn rank abbreviations people. It is Star FLEET.
COM is communications not Commander. Commander is CDR.
LTC is Lieutenant Colonel of your embarked Fleet Marines. LCDR is Lieutenant Commander.
- end of rant. Please excuse this allergic reaction to ignorance. I forgive your butchery
for 5 years
5 years
these have been the acronyms used by everyone in this forum and in game to identify these station ranks. your about 5 years to late to try to critique this, and not look like a sperg lord.
The debuff is utterly neglible unless you guys want to solo stuff or you guys dont have recluse nannies or debuff support. You are also giving up Faw 2 for Faw 1.
Considering that tac cruiser Ships with 4 tac consoles usually have 2 sci consoles while Galaxy R has 3 sci consoles. Plasma doping anyone?
Your Galaxy R builds/mentality/grouping are literally outdated if you cant DPS with a Galaxy R nowadays.
surly you jest, utterly neglible? your DPS runs involve targets were half don't even have shields, you don't think APB1+ FAW1 wont give you noticeably higher numbers? why would you even take a ship on one of these runs that doesn't contribute an APB.
regardless of this, the galaxy R still has the worst station setup possible of any combination we have seen. if you try to utilize every eng station, you will make a ship worse at DPS if you just disregard one of the 3 ENS stations. this is especially important outside of muh DPS land.
Well it should deal significant dps. Basing on Its t5U version which deals significant dps assuming you have an optimized build and piloting skills with gal R ship.
Currently, if optimized a Fleet patrol escort is at 170k+, Scimitar at 160k+, Akira/5 tac console escorts 100-120k, Galaxy X/Avenger around 80k with galaxy R and Nebulas around 70k dps using all tac toons.
so the typical DPS range for ships is between 170K to 70K now then, with the galaxy R at the bottom of that range. but saying its the worst is outdated, right.
still hilarious that you don't even mention phantom or eclipse. a phantom is basically an akira that can use OSS3, the most powerful energy weapon self buff in the game.
I would personally love the T6 GAL to have a Hybrid ENG / Command Specialist Commander seat, with a TAC / Intel Specialist LT seat. It makes the most sense to me. And you need that universal ENS seat, otherwise where will you put Wesley Crusher?
In all honesty, I think the Defiant will get the revamp with a Command hybrid seat. The Galaxy might be even further down the line with something like a Diplomacy specialization hybrid seat or something. Mainly because the Defiant hasn't got anything yet since the fleet version, which is even less than the console set bonus the Galaxy got in the 'revamp' back in the summer.
Defiant is also more likely on the grounds that there's only two C-Store variants, and the possibility of selling a 3rd for a 3-console set (much like the Pathfinder). Though that's if they do anything with DS9 to help promote it like they did Delta Quadrant and the Intrepid; otherwise, it'll continue to just be originals inspired by existing designs (Defiant->Phantom, Heavy Cruiser->Eclipse, Ambassador/Galaxy->Guardian) as well as a few new ones.
A T6 Galaxy would be possible, though a longshot. One issue is the likely addition of a 4th console, which would cause problems in terms of available console space. However, there's the possibility that it could default to a 3-console set since a T6 Galaxy wouldn't likely be set to use the Cloaking console. As well, given the way they handled the Pathfinder, it's very likely a T6 Galaxy would shunt the Command Hybrid (or any future Specialization) to the Lt Sci/Command (they way they shunted the Hybrid seat to the Lt. Eng on the Pathfinder; forcing a major build choice), while they just bump up that Eng Ensign to Lt, or bump the Eng Lt. Cmdr. to Cmdr. for double Eng Cmdr powers while turning the Eng Ensign to Universal Ensign.
All those ships have two c-store versions. A T4-refit and a T5-retrofit. The Intrepid now has a T6 version as well. The Dreadnaught cruiser is *not* a Galaxy variant, it's a different ship ans the cloaking console does not go on the others.
Anyway, I still have hopes for a Command Galaxy because of their promotional material and a Command Galaxy would still suck at dealing dps because it wouldn't have any of the OP abilities, so Cryptic could still be happy
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
but at least it would be a viable option with out completely gimping your self to fly it
this is why i fly the guardian if i squint hard enough it sort of looks like a galaxy. actually if the guardian could use the galaxy skin and saucer sep i would be completely satisfied as i could use the guardian but with a better looking saucer
but at least it would be a viable option with out completely gimping your self to fly it
this is why i fly the guardian if i squint hard enough it sort of looks like a galaxy. actually if the guardian could use the galaxy skin and saucer sep i would be completely satisfied as i could use the guardian but with a better looking saucer
This is what I don't get about the gaurdian. It is *not* in any way (at least to me) resembling a Galaxy and it annoys me a bit that Cryptic is hellbent in their flavour texts that it IS the new Galaxy. It is not. It's a new Ambassador, it uses almost exactly Probert's original Ambassador specs (a bit inflated in size), the neck and engineering hull shape are almost 1:1 Ambassador parts. But the Ambassador, although being a testbed for future Exploration cruisers to come, is not equivalent to a Galaxy.
That is no rant at you, mind you I just cannot see the Guardian making any sense in the evolution of ships (in which STO never made *any* sense as nobod cared, it was only important to cram more and more ships in there somehow) other than it being a 25th century Ambassador.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'd think that the LTCDR Tac would be too much. It would probably still be limited to a Lt Tac, or possibly even a Lt Tac/Spec hybrid station. You gotta consider that the Pathfinder still had its CMDR and LTCDR Sci intact. A T6 Exploration Cruiser would probably be no different.
With that said, I'd want to wait till a Defiant revamp comes out, as well as a 3rd primary spec to the three Hero Ships will each have a different hybrid spec seating.
the only reason i've never gotten a Galaxy was the Lt. Tac. I got used to TT I / BFaW II / TS III so much that any ship without at least a LtCmd. Tac is not an viable option anymore. Which is a shame really, because it's actually my favorite fed ship
I'd think that the LTCDR Tac would be too much. It would probably still be limited to a Lt Tac, or possibly even a Lt Tac/Spec hybrid station. You gotta consider that the Pathfinder still had its CMDR and LTCDR Sci intact. A T6 Exploration Cruiser would probably be no different.
With that said, I'd want to wait till a Defiant revamp comes out, as well as a 3rd primary spec to the three Hero Ships will each have a different hybrid spec seating.
This is what the fans want in a tier 6 galaxy class so if they Cryptic listens to what the fans want they would make it if we ask. I'm pretty sure they are tired of us complaining about wanting to fix the Galaxy R ship so here's a chance for them to fix it which is a upgrade in its tac bridge officer slot.
I'd think that the LTCDR Tac would be too much. It would probably still be limited to a Lt Tac, or possibly even a Lt Tac/Spec hybrid station. You gotta consider that the Pathfinder still had its CMDR and LTCDR Sci intact. A T6 Exploration Cruiser would probably be no different.
They probably wouldnt. They would stick with LT tac.
A LtCom tac boff Galaxy Ship would lose them money on the other LtCom ships. While the Galaxy will still be bought even with a LT tac boff.
I wouldnt mind though they put a hangar pet in a Galaxy.
the only reason i've never gotten a Galaxy was the Lt. Tac. I got used to TT I / BFaW II / TS III so much that any ship without at least a LtCmd. Tac is not an viable option anymore. Which is a shame really, because it's actually my favorite fed ship
TS 3 is just gimmicky when your running a BFAW ship. And the galaxy is not meant to be a torp boat.
T6 Galaxy will have the T6 Intrepid's layout with a Lt Tac Hybrid. Stop that LTC tac TRIBBLE on the Galaxy. On the DC I could understand it, but not on the regular galaxy.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
And this is exactly why they will not make a new Galaxy.
If they make it with a Lt Tactical the players won't buy it.
If they make it with a Lt. Commander Tac then it won't have enough difference between other ships.
It seems to me that they can fix both problems by allowing players to use the Galaxy Skin on the Guardian. Most Galaxy owners consider the Guardian to be exactly what they wanted, so since the Guardian is a Galaxy/Ambassador hybrid anyway.. why not unlock the skin?
It would be a good move for them to do with the Fleet Version and would likely boost sales of the Guardian even more then it already is. Of course, you would have to allow the Galaxy Consoles to be used on the Fleet Guardian as well so that people that bought those older Galaxy Ships don't get the shaft.
Those of us Guardian Captains that like the Guardian just don't use that skin.
The solution is simple.. but of course they won't do it.
And this is exactly why they will not make a new Galaxy.
If they make it with a Lt Tactical the players won't buy it.
If they make it with a Lt. Commander Tac then it won't have enough difference between other ships.
It seems to me that they can fix both problems by allowing players to use the Galaxy Skin on the Guardian. Most Galaxy owners consider the Guardian to be exactly what they wanted, so since the Guardian is a Galaxy/Ambassador hybrid anyway.. why not unlock the skin?
It would be a good move for them to do with the Fleet Version and would likely boost sales of the Guardian even more then it already is. Of course, you would have to allow the Galaxy Consoles to be used on the Fleet Guardian as well so that people that bought those older Galaxy Ships don't get the shaft.
Those of us Guardian Captains that like the Guardian just don't use that skin.
The solution is simple.. but of course they won't do it.
The problem is that players go bat**** crazy about the dps meta. All they (at least the forum users, I think most of the regular playerbase doesn't really care) see is that you need a LTC tac to spam BFAW 3 or use APB 2 and that equals big numbers. All of them want big numbers to brag on the forums when they use their favourite ships and if a ship is not up there it's total TRIBBLE.
Yes, the game is broken, obviously. But that doesn't mean that you can't make use of other types of gameplay. The Galaxy R can even be min-maxed to do a lot of dps, but why on earth anybody would pump so much time and resources in this little game is beyond me When I play I play a Galaxy and a Nebula on my Starfleet chars, which are arguably the "worst" of the worst in their categories and it works. A T6 Galaxy following the pathfinder would be flexible enough to house up to four tac abilities or profit from specialization powers, although arguably not the OP intel ones that once again only cater to the dps metagame (OSS, namely, which has nothign to do with intelligence works by the way. It's something I'd expect in a OPS specialization or regular engineering power...).
I personally don't like the Guardian approach. The Guardian is by looks and function (in STO) not a replacement of the Galaxy, it's a T6 support cruiser. The Oddyssey (which ironically is T5) IS the Galaxy's "replacement". A T6 Galaxy would retain it's original layout, like the Pathfinder, and add a few tricks to it, plus there is room for a new unique console which could make it perform some impressive tricks.
The clusterbuck of starships in STO is chaotic beyond belief, the line-up has no rhyme or reason or visible evolution of design, hell the 25th century brand-new lineups are totally forgotten and outdated. None of this makes sense, they just want more and more ships for players to buy, so it seems
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
T6 Galaxy will have the T6 Intrepid's layout with a Lt Tac Hybrid. Stop that LTC tac TRIBBLE on the Galaxy. On the DC I could understand it, but not on the regular galaxy.
completely agree
even though i thinking making the tac seat the hybrid is not the best idea it is probably how it will turn out and i will still buy it. also chances are it will be a command hybrid seat and not intel. also makes sense for the lore of the ship it was a flag ship and during a couple episodes it was a fleet leader. the blockade during the klingon civil war being one of them
The problem is that players go bat**** crazy about the dps meta. All they (at least the forum users, I think most of the regular playerbase doesn't really care) see is that you need a LTC tac to spam BFAW 3 or use APB 2 and that equals big numbers. All of them want big numbers to brag on the forums when they use their favourite ships and if a ship is not up there it's total TRIBBLE.
For what it's worth.. I totally agree with you.
The only reason I suggest allowing the Galaxy Skin for the Guardian is because it seems from what I have read that the majority of Galaxy Captains wish that the Galaxy had the layout they gave the Guardian. Personally, I don't like the Galaxy Class (never have) and wouldn't use the skin, I just think it would be a smart move from Cryptic to give players what they want because it makes them money.
And you're absolutely right, a Lt. Commander Tac is not required at all to put up good DPS or to have a useful build, it's just what everyone wants. People are lead to believe that if you don't have BFAW3 or whatever skill applies to their build that it's 'wrong' or 'bad.' The problem is more in the perception then the reality. Heck, the first time 100k DPS barrier was broken it was in a Galaxy, so obviously the Lt. Com station isn't required. The reality of it though is that if they release yet another Galaxy version with the same Lt. Tac that they have done before.. it won't sell unless it has some insanely powerful starship trait.
While I agree with you completely, if I were Cryptic I wouldn't even consider releasing another Galaxy without the one feature that every Galaxy Captain has been screaming over for years. It just wouldn't make sense, they would be better off just moving on from the class completely.
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still would be better then the current galaxy but really it's not that hard to be better
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Well it should deal significant dps. Basing on Its t5U version which deals significant dps assuming you have an optimized build and piloting skills with gal R ship.
Currently, if optimized a Fleet patrol escort is at 170k+, Scimitar at 160k+, Akira/5 tac console escorts 100-120k, Galaxy X/Avenger around 80k with galaxy R and Nebulas around 70k dps using all tac toons.
Why would it?
3 tac boff ship
Lt
FAw1
APB1
Ens
TT1
Gal R
LT
TT1 Faw2
The debuff is utterly neglible unless you guys want to solo stuff or you guys dont have recluse nannies or debuff support. You are also giving up Faw 2 for Faw 1.
Considering that tac cruiser Ships with 4 tac consoles usually have 2 sci consoles while Galaxy R has 3 sci consoles. Plasma doping anyone?
Your Galaxy R builds/mentality/grouping are literally outdated if you cant DPS with a Galaxy R nowadays.
the star cruiser can out DPS and out tank a gal-r and it is a free ship
I have extensively tested builds on star cruiser and GAL. For my style of play, the Star Cruiser was exceptional while the GAL was much less fun or effective. Surprising ...
I must agree with your observations sir, plus one.
For the love of Pete, please learn rank abbreviations people. It is Star FLEET.
COM is communications not Commander. Commander is CDR.
LTC is Lieutenant Colonel of your embarked Fleet Marines. LCDR is Lieutenant Commander.
- end of rant. Please excuse this allergic reaction to ignorance. I forgive your butchery.
I would personally love the T6 GAL to have a Hybrid ENG / Command Specialist Commander seat, with a TAC / Intel Specialist LT seat. It makes the most sense to me. And you need that universal ENS seat, otherwise where will you put Wesley Crusher?
True, except for the fct that there are no marines in Starfleet, at least not with a different rank structure. Security personnel uses your regular starfleet rank pattern. That being said I think everyone knows what COM and LTC in a ship layout are supposed to mean and it's faster to type. If we were accurate though you are right.
On another note, you are once again bringing the super-galaxy up. Why should it get a command commander seat AND a intel seat? The Pathfinder is the template, the Galaxy and Defiant will probably use this template with a hybrid lt in their repective specialization. The Galaxy might become a lt command hybrid ship, the command specialised ships will most likely be cryptic designs with a commander hybrid, I'd suspect the Typhoon being one of them.
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for 5 years
5 years
these have been the acronyms used by everyone in this forum and in game to identify these station ranks. your about 5 years to late to try to critique this, and not look like a sperg lord.
surly you jest, utterly neglible? your DPS runs involve targets were half don't even have shields, you don't think APB1+ FAW1 wont give you noticeably higher numbers? why would you even take a ship on one of these runs that doesn't contribute an APB.
regardless of this, the galaxy R still has the worst station setup possible of any combination we have seen. if you try to utilize every eng station, you will make a ship worse at DPS if you just disregard one of the 3 ENS stations. this is especially important outside of muh DPS land.
so the typical DPS range for ships is between 170K to 70K now then, with the galaxy R at the bottom of that range. but saying its the worst is outdated, right.
still hilarious that you don't even mention phantom or eclipse. a phantom is basically an akira that can use OSS3, the most powerful energy weapon self buff in the game.
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A T6 Galaxy would be possible, though a longshot. One issue is the likely addition of a 4th console, which would cause problems in terms of available console space. However, there's the possibility that it could default to a 3-console set since a T6 Galaxy wouldn't likely be set to use the Cloaking console. As well, given the way they handled the Pathfinder, it's very likely a T6 Galaxy would shunt the Command Hybrid (or any future Specialization) to the Lt Sci/Command (they way they shunted the Hybrid seat to the Lt. Eng on the Pathfinder; forcing a major build choice), while they just bump up that Eng Ensign to Lt, or bump the Eng Lt. Cmdr. to Cmdr. for double Eng Cmdr powers while turning the Eng Ensign to Universal Ensign.
Anyway, I still have hopes for a Command Galaxy because of their promotional material and a Command Galaxy would still suck at dealing dps because it wouldn't have any of the OP abilities, so Cryptic could still be happy
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this is why i fly the guardian if i squint hard enough it sort of looks like a galaxy. actually if the guardian could use the galaxy skin and saucer sep i would be completely satisfied as i could use the guardian but with a better looking saucer
This is what I don't get about the gaurdian. It is *not* in any way (at least to me) resembling a Galaxy and it annoys me a bit that Cryptic is hellbent in their flavour texts that it IS the new Galaxy. It is not. It's a new Ambassador, it uses almost exactly Probert's original Ambassador specs (a bit inflated in size), the neck and engineering hull shape are almost 1:1 Ambassador parts. But the Ambassador, although being a testbed for future Exploration cruisers to come, is not equivalent to a Galaxy.
That is no rant at you, mind you
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Something along these lines:
Com Eng
Lt Com Tac
Lt Eng
Lt Sci
Lt Uni/intel
4 Eng consoles
3 tac consoles
3 sci consoles
Fans have been asking for a good build or a improvement to that ship so if you guys are going to make a tier 6 Galaxy class ship please make it right.
With that said, I'd want to wait till a Defiant revamp comes out, as well as a 3rd primary spec to the three Hero Ships will each have a different hybrid spec seating.
LRSV: Intel
Defiant: Command
Galaxy: ? (maybe Diplomacy?)
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This is what the fans want in a tier 6 galaxy class so if they Cryptic listens to what the fans want they would make it if we ask. I'm pretty sure they are tired of us complaining about wanting to fix the Galaxy R ship so here's a chance for them to fix it which is a upgrade in its tac bridge officer slot.
They probably wouldnt. They would stick with LT tac.
A LtCom tac boff Galaxy Ship would lose them money on the other LtCom ships. While the Galaxy will still be bought even with a LT tac boff.
I wouldnt mind though they put a hangar pet in a Galaxy.
TS 3 is just gimmicky when your running a BFAW ship. And the galaxy is not meant to be a torp boat.
Pretty sure if they give the fans what they want they will make money.
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If they make it with a Lt Tactical the players won't buy it.
If they make it with a Lt. Commander Tac then it won't have enough difference between other ships.
It seems to me that they can fix both problems by allowing players to use the Galaxy Skin on the Guardian. Most Galaxy owners consider the Guardian to be exactly what they wanted, so since the Guardian is a Galaxy/Ambassador hybrid anyway.. why not unlock the skin?
It would be a good move for them to do with the Fleet Version and would likely boost sales of the Guardian even more then it already is. Of course, you would have to allow the Galaxy Consoles to be used on the Fleet Guardian as well so that people that bought those older Galaxy Ships don't get the shaft.
Those of us Guardian Captains that like the Guardian just don't use that skin.
The solution is simple.. but of course they won't do it.
The problem is that players go bat**** crazy about the dps meta. All they (at least the forum users, I think most of the regular playerbase doesn't really care) see is that you need a LTC tac to spam BFAW 3 or use APB 2 and that equals big numbers. All of them want big numbers to brag on the forums when they use their favourite ships and if a ship is not up there it's total TRIBBLE.
Yes, the game is broken, obviously. But that doesn't mean that you can't make use of other types of gameplay. The Galaxy R can even be min-maxed to do a lot of dps, but why on earth anybody would pump so much time and resources in this little game is beyond me
I personally don't like the Guardian approach. The Guardian is by looks and function (in STO) not a replacement of the Galaxy, it's a T6 support cruiser. The Oddyssey (which ironically is T5) IS the Galaxy's "replacement". A T6 Galaxy would retain it's original layout, like the Pathfinder, and add a few tricks to it, plus there is room for a new unique console which could make it perform some impressive tricks.
The clusterbuck of starships in STO is chaotic beyond belief, the line-up has no rhyme or reason or visible evolution of design, hell the 25th century brand-new lineups are totally forgotten and outdated. None of this makes sense, they just want more and more ships for players to buy, so it seems
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completely agree
even though i thinking making the tac seat the hybrid is not the best idea it is probably how it will turn out and i will still buy it. also chances are it will be a command hybrid seat and not intel. also makes sense for the lore of the ship it was a flag ship and during a couple episodes it was a fleet leader. the blockade during the klingon civil war being one of them
TS(3) gimmicky? If you're a minmax'ing DPS hunter perhaps...
1- 2 torpedo launchers = torp boat?!
BFAW a group of NPC's (shields), then TS3 and watch em melt... this is how I like and prefer it, how I think it's meant to be....
Depends on which fans are you talking about. STO Forums is one of the worst place to determine which of the majority of players want for a product.
Considering that players still bought Galaxy R even with LT Tac boff.
Why buy Eclipse or Guardian when can have literally the same setup on Galaxy Tier 6?
For what it's worth.. I totally agree with you.
The only reason I suggest allowing the Galaxy Skin for the Guardian is because it seems from what I have read that the majority of Galaxy Captains wish that the Galaxy had the layout they gave the Guardian. Personally, I don't like the Galaxy Class (never have) and wouldn't use the skin, I just think it would be a smart move from Cryptic to give players what they want because it makes them money.
And you're absolutely right, a Lt. Commander Tac is not required at all to put up good DPS or to have a useful build, it's just what everyone wants. People are lead to believe that if you don't have BFAW3 or whatever skill applies to their build that it's 'wrong' or 'bad.' The problem is more in the perception then the reality. Heck, the first time 100k DPS barrier was broken it was in a Galaxy, so obviously the Lt. Com station isn't required. The reality of it though is that if they release yet another Galaxy version with the same Lt. Tac that they have done before.. it won't sell unless it has some insanely powerful starship trait.
While I agree with you completely, if I were Cryptic I wouldn't even consider releasing another Galaxy without the one feature that every Galaxy Captain has been screaming over for years. It just wouldn't make sense, they would be better off just moving on from the class completely.
Maybe for your playstyle it is. Not everyone plays like you on a Galaxy R which gimp themselves and wastes skill slots on torps and beams.
If your not min/maxing why even bother with Tac team 1. bfaw1 and TS2 will cover this for you.
RPers dont need LT Com Tac boffs.