If Starfleet was that concerned with Picard lapsing into Locutus while the Federation was still concerned about the Borg poking around, then they were stupid to assign him command of Starfleet's hottest new vessel.
But, it's best not to dwell on the technicalities.
starfleet is not known for there brilliance when it comes to there tactical planning and fore sight LOL
And this is the reason why the Galaxy is such an Engineering-heavy ship. To deny going down easily, and to provide dedicated support.
And people thought Cryptic were crazy for making the Galaxy as Eng-heavy as it is, when after a long-winded discussion, we learn (or relearn) the reasons for why became obvious.
If Cryptic does release a T6 with a Lt. Tac/Hybrid and converts the Ensign Eng to Lt. Universal, it would keep the theme and allow for exactly that "modularity" (between whatever specialized seat you want for more support, or keeping it all Tac plus adding a second Tac in the Universal seat).
a ship being modular does not = eng stations, it = universal stations. what we got could not be more opposite of how the ship actually is, somehow its the least flexible ship of all.
thing should have a COM eng, and the rest universal, to really be accurate.
i still think an oddy light station set up like the free one we got but instead of a locked in sci ensign have it be a locked in engineering ensign slot
but that will never happen because it makes sense
and yes on the D'D set up i thought for sure the galaxy would be changed as well when the D'D was originally shown to be an exact copy of the galaxy and every one had a s*** fit and they changed it
Thanks for the clarification... I get it. For Five years the forums have been perpetrated by people with no association with an actual FLEET. My 26 year association with an actual FLEET(...)
Don't take this the wrong way, but I would recommend you doing a reality check on yourself. You know this is the forum of a Star Trek game, a fictional universe set in the future where people fly faster than light and all that? We are not talking about an actual fleet or anything. Your professional background has absolutely nothing to do with anything here. So maybe just tone it down a bit.
Don'tDrunk is right - the Galaxy was designed during a period of heightened conflicts and outright wars to be a very modular, very powerful ship.
I am baffled that this still comes up. I mean including the old thread, that myth of the Galaxy not being able to fight because peace and fun was debunked like a dozen times already and even if the conflicts were not present during it's development people still don't get what Starfleet is about. It's the same with this "Borg Borg warfighting" TRIBBLE.
Deep-Space Exploration is *not* peaceful. All our "cool military" aficionados really don't get over terminology, but "Exploration" means "confronting the unknown". The unknown in Star Trek is plastered with dozens of quasi omnipotent beings hellbent on murdering your face. Every Explorer is equipped to deal with that, on it's own because support is far away - I would suspect in pure firepower, every Explorer is completely en par if not superior to every Warship the other factions come up with. The main difference lies in tactics. Romulan warships overwhelm the enemy, Klingons operate in packs/squads and prey on the enemy and Starfleet stands in shining armour and dukes it out because "they don't sneak around" (Rodenberry). And yes, Starfleet's credo is "Ex astris, scientia", not "Shoot anything that moves". What Picard displays with the Ent-D, attempting diplomacy before shooting the enemy to bits which the ship is capable of, reflects discipline and strength, not weakness or cowardice. The show was about the good of humanity, not about Call of Duty in space. It has been made clear time and again that Starfleet is not supposed to be the damn US Navy and/or Marines and I really don't know why all this military fetishism is so strong within this forum, it really baffles me.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Don't take this the wrong way, but I would recommend you doing a reality check on yourself. You know this is the forum of a Star Trek game, a fictional universe set in the future where people fly faster than light and all that? We are not talking about an actual fleet or anything. Your professional background has absolutely nothing to do with anything here. So maybe just tone it down a bit.
I am baffled that this still comes up. I mean including the old thread, that myth of the Galaxy not being able to fight because peace and fun was debunked like a dozen times already and even if the conflicts were not present during it's development people still don't get what Starfleet is about. It's the same with this "Borg Borg warfighting" TRIBBLE.
Deep-Space Exploration is *not* peaceful. All our "cool military" aficionados really don't get over terminology, but "Exploration" means "confronting the unknown". The unknown in Star Trek is plastered with dozens of quasi omnipotent beings hellbent on murdering your face. Every Explorer is equipped to deal with that, on it's own because support is far away - I would suspect in pure firepower, every Explorer is completely en par if not superior to every Warship the other factions come up with. The main difference lies in tactics. Romulan warships overwhelm the enemy, Klingons operate in packs/squads and prey on the enemy and Starfleet stands in shining armour and dukes it out because "they don't sneak around" (Rodenberry). And yes, Starfleet's credo is "Ex astris, scientia", not "Shoot anything that moves". What Picard displays with the Ent-D, attempting diplomacy before shooting the enemy to bits which the ship is capable of, reflects discipline and strength, not weakness or cowardice. The show was about the good of humanity, not about Call of Duty in space. It has been made clear time and again that Starfleet is not supposed to be the damn US Navy and/or Marines and I really don't know why all this military fetishism is so strong within this forum, it really baffles me.
Starfleet may not be the Marines or the US army but they aren't living in a time of peace so its time to beef up the Galaxy class like it was beefed up during the dominion war or like the alternative time line of Yesterday's Enterprise where the Enterprise D was built for war. Then again its a game and you cannot compare what goes on with the TV show. Not to mention the galaxy class is still outdated by an Excelsior-class in the game which is very weird seeing how that Excelsior-class outdates every ship and is more powerful and better then current cruiser line ups such as the sovereign class and the odyssey class.
Starfleet may not be the Marines or the US army but they aren't living in a time of peace so its time to beef up the Galaxy class like it was beefed up during the dominion war or like the alternative time line of Yesterday's Enterprise where the Enterprise D was built for war. Then again its a game and you cannot compare what goes on with the TV show. Not to mention the galaxy class is still outdated by an Excelsior-class in the game which is very weird seeing how that Excelsior-class outdates every ship and is more powerful and better then current cruiser line ups such as the sovereign class and the odyssey class.
There is no really need to "beef up" anything. All that changes really is that civilian personnel is evacuated and the space isnide is utilised for troops or auxilliary systems. The Galaxy class is pretty much a heavy hitting 'battleship' all the time, maybe micromanaging the EPS systems would supply more power to the weapon systems, but that's it. There is no "peace" and "war" Galaxy in terms of armament, each and every Starfleet ship is designed to be at the maximum defensive capability relative to her own size and setup. Everything else would not make much sense.
That's in-canon. In STO, well there is not much wiggle room. The Galaxy/Explorer is the engineering branch of the trinity before they introduced "can do everything but better" hybrid ships, so in terms of consistency and gamedesign they cannot change the setup, it's the COM/LTC Engineering cruiser with another Engineering ensign (the sovereign was the "tactical" version of it which was a mere ensign tac back in the day and that odd Star Cruiser frankenstein got the sci ens). If a T6 Galaxy would look vastly different from the T6 Intrepid layout they TRIBBLE everything up all over again.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Deep-Space Exploration is *not* peaceful. All our "cool military" aficionados really don't get over terminology, but "Exploration" means "confronting the unknown". The unknown in Star Trek is plastered with dozens of quasi omnipotent beings hellbent on murdering your face. Every Explorer is equipped to deal with that, on it's own because support is far away - I would suspect in pure firepower, every Explorer is completely en par if not superior to every Warship the other factions come up with. The main difference lies in tactics. Romulan warships overwhelm the enemy, Klingons operate in packs/squads and prey on the enemy and Starfleet stands in shining armour and dukes it out because "they don't sneak around" (Rodenberry). And yes, Starfleet's credo is "Ex astris, scientia", not "Shoot anything that moves". What Picard displays with the Ent-D, attempting diplomacy before shooting the enemy to bits which the ship is capable of, reflects discipline and strength, not weakness or cowardice. The show was about the good of humanity, not about Call of Duty in space. It has been made clear time and again that Starfleet is not supposed to be the damn US Navy and/or Marines and I really don't know why all this military fetishism is so strong within this forum, it really baffles me.
Probably going to get flamed as hell for saying this, but what the heck - it's a shining example of Cryptic's target audience at work. Day in and day out they've shown that they don't need players/customers that have rational understanding of things, but rather blind followers of whatever they've been told by the company with the attention span of a goldfish.
Evidence suggests that they DON'T like the Galaxy class (though remain quite happy to use it in promotional material) resulting in it being a tank without teeth.
The D'Deridex layout was everything the Galaxy should have been. Then the Guardian layout is even more of everything the Galaxy should have been. I have no doubt that even the Kobali TRIBBLE will turn out even further more what the Galaxy should have been.
We've begged them to make the Ens.engineering Boff station an universal one and they made the Galaxy-X's one universal. :rolleyes: ddis had this amazing proposal for the Galaxy to swap Boff stations in a similar manner to the DSDs in order to give it more tactical potential because the game they create is completely DPS oriented and what did they do? They give the Galaxy a set bonus that makes it..........wait for it.........more tanky!!! :rolleyes:
Yeah, we'll get a Galaxy Class in STO worthy of it's show counterpart right about when we get playable Borg cubes in lockboxes, when they "clean house" to squeeze whatever there's left to squeeze from unobservant fools. Either then, or after they remove Geko from the Lead Designer position, however I'm pretty sure the game will close before that happens.
Problem is the Dev's like the Excelsior class, resulting in it being one of the best cruisers in the game.
Evidence suggests that they DON'T like the Galaxy class (though remain quite happy to use it in promotional material) resulting in it being a tank without teeth.
Let's face it, we've BEGGED them to give the Galaxy some proper consideration - the now-closed, previously long-running, thread on the matter was evidence of that. And what did they do? They produced a Galaxy pack - a pack which was actually more for the benefit of the Galaxy-X; the Galaxy itself received no attention whatsoever, beyond being able to utilise a set-bonus. And the Guardian class MAY (or may not) be the final nail in the coffin for those of us hoping for a T6 Galaxy. And on saying that, even if we DID get a T6 Galaxy, I wouldn't trust the Devs not to continue the 'tank with no teeth' theme that they've refused to budge from with this ship.
Your build must be years old.
I respect what other players want to fit the Galaxy R on their playstyle but saying that the Galaxy R has no teeth has no basis whatsover.
Please spend more time in game rather in the forums.
I respect what other players want to fit the Galaxy R on their playstyle but saying that the Galaxy R has no teeth has no basis whatsover.
Please spend more time in game rather in the forums.
The Galaxy CAN be given a fairly effective dps build - but there is only one way to do this and a third or more of it's dps is reliant on partnering with team members who can keep a target intel weakened or under constant multiple pattern betas. This playstyle is fine if you just want pure dps to show off your 'leet builds'.
The Galaxy is just too inflexible - there are very few ways to make fun builds for her. Effective - arguable, because you are reliant on teammates debuffing your targets - but yes. But the Galaxy itself - no matter what powers you slot, there is always an engineering power or two on cooldown because there just aren't enough power options. Tac team - which is almost mandatory in this game - completely steals one of your power stations.
You can't build a Galaxy in this game that's both: 1) Effictive and 2) anywhere near accurate to her capabilities on screen. I know that for a large chunk of players - your fun is min-maxing and pure efficiency. But for the rest of us - the fun is taking a ship we love and being able to enjoy it. In my personal opinion - the Galaxy just isn't enjoyable in the current format - and there are so many ways to fix it that would keep every party happy.
and again with the same build a free star cruiser can out DPS it and out tank
you have no argument
his argument has a shocking lack of logic. the galaxy R is good for 70k DPS in perfect conditions, if it can do that it must be fine!
but the best ships can crank out almost 100k more. so i guess that doesn't mean much after all!
its still at the bottom of the heap, the DPS goal posts have just moved. and outside of DPS TRIBBLE land, its still the worst ship there is, if you were trying to level specialization for example, running your thousand patrols, there no tier5U beam boat cruiser it would take longer to do that with then the galaxy R! save for the starcruiser, an ancient cryptic design no one is capable of caring about.
I suppose it wouldn't hurt to make the LTC boff universal but at this point I think Cryptic have done everything they are willing to do on the matter. They've made a set and pack for the Galaxy and then made a very similar design as a replacement (See the guardian class).
I suppose it wouldn't hurt to make the LTC boff universal but at this point I think Cryptic have done everything they are willing to do on the matter. They've made a set and pack for the Galaxy and then made a very similar design as a replacement (See the guardian class).
Today only! 500 Zen to add Galaxy skin to the Guardian! When Galaxy skin is equipped - lt eng/int hybrid is switched to lt eng/comm station!
No real compairison there - the Eclipse beats the Galaxy on pretty much everything other than tanking.
they both have a COM and LTC eng with a LT sci, in that way they break even for tanking. the galaxy R has a ENS eng too, which ads NOTHING, wile the eclipse has an ENS uni, that if used for sci will have a significant impact on tanking and healing potential.
in no role can the galaxy compete, with anything. the galaxy is a pretty awful tank over all, the tankiest ships have an even mix of sci and eng, not mostly eng and little sci. there are even a plethora of tac crusiers, not just the eclipse, that are significantly better tanks then the galaxy, wile the galaxy has the least tac potential.
Doesn't help that the Kobali/Space Zombie Anniversary Ship will do the job of of the Galaxy-class and Galaxy-X, as well as being T6 on top of it. And access to the new Command Specialization.
So even the Space Zombies have a superior ship to STO's Galaxy-class and Galaxy-X.
they both have a COM and LTC eng with a LT sci, in that way they break even for tanking. the galaxy R has a ENS eng too, which ads NOTHING, wile the eclipse has an ENS uni, that if used for sci will have a significant impact on tanking and healing potential.
in no role can the galaxy compete, with anything. the galaxy is a pretty awful tank over all, the tankiest ships have an even mix of sci and eng, not mostly eng and little sci. there are even a plethora of tac crusiers, not just the eclipse, that are significantly better tanks then the galaxy, wile the galaxy has the least tac potential.
yes, indeed.
the eclipse is definitivly superior in it tanking potential.
the ensign universal that give it the abilitie to have 3 sci power sceal the deal.
and that not even mentioning the lt commander tact that can also be used to tank and it turn rate/speed/inertia that allow it to escape more easily the enemie firing arc.
clearly superior.
but that should not come as a surprise, it was more or less already the case with the exelsior anyway.
when we said that there is nothing that you can do with this ship that can not be done better by any other, it is the case, it is not just a sentence that sound good.
and no one, that is not trolling or try to see if you known what you are talking about, will argue this fact, because it is the easiest thing to prove.
What I really don't get is why Kobali are the new stars of STO all of a sudden. What happened to the Deferi? They are a playground for all kinds of stuff to play around with, a far more reasonable candidate for a "subfaction" which uses new ships that are made in a joint venture by their allies and even better there weren't any canon based complains because it would be original content.
I really don't get this Kobali stuff.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
What I really don't get is why Kobali are the new stars of STO all of a sudden. What happened to the Deferi? They are a playground for all kinds of stuff to play around with, a far more reasonable candidate for a "subfaction" which uses new ships that are made in a joint venture by their allies and even better there weren't any canon based complains because it would be original content.
I really don't get this Kobali stuff.
Well, see angrytarg, that is because the Deferi want ballance in everything, but now with the Delta Quadrant the Kobali.........SQUIRREL!!!!
yes, indeed.
the eclipse is definitivly superior in it tanking potential.
the ensign universal that give it the abilitie to have 3 sci power sceal the deal.
and that not even mentioning the lt commander tact that can also be used to tank and it turn rate/speed/inertia that allow it to escape more easily the enemie firing arc.
clearly superior.
but that should not come as a surprise, it was more or less already the case with the exelsior anyway.
when we said that there is nothing that you can do with this ship that can not be done better by any other, it is the case, it is not just a sentence that sound good.
and no one, that is not trolling or try to see if you known what you are talking about, will argue this fact, because it is the easiest thing to prove.
Superior? The Eclipse? Are you sure we're playing the same game? I have yet to either fight against or alongside an Eclipse that i s even remotely capable of out-tanking the galaxy. Just because a ship can use cannons and tank well does not make it superior. I know. I picked up the Eclipse months ago, and noticed a huge drop in tanking ability. It so.ply doesn't have the raw HP that the galaxy has. Its SIF siphon is fairly useful, but hardly a game changer. And turn rate doesn't really mean anything when you can't even seem to drop your targets shields.
No, the Eclipse is far from superior. If you want a superior tank ship, the guardian is what you should be referring to.
Well, see angrytarg, that is because the Deferi want ballance in everything, but now with the Delta Quadrant the Kobali.........SQUIRREL!!!!
That. Makes. SO MUCH. sense. Wooooah :eek:
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Superior? The Eclipse? Are you sure we're playing the same game? I have yet to either fight against or alongside an Eclipse that i s even remotely capable of out-tanking the galaxy. Just because a ship can use cannons and tank well does not make it superior. I know. I picked up the Eclipse months ago, and noticed a huge drop in tanking ability. It so.ply doesn't have the raw HP that the galaxy has. Its SIF siphon is fairly useful, but hardly a game changer. And turn rate doesn't really mean anything when you can't even seem to drop your targets shields.
No, the Eclipse is far from superior. If you want a superior tank ship, the guardian is what you should be referring to.
Galaxy - Doesn't show the T5U with the +1 Console Slot, but the basic layout and play of the ship remains the same. You talk about "dropping the target's shields" and you hold up the Galaxy-class? Of all ships? LOL!
If someone is pissing on your skirt do you believe it's raining?
Superior? The Eclipse? Are you sure we're playing the same game? I have yet to either fight against or alongside an Eclipse that i s even remotely capable of out-tanking the galaxy. Just because a ship can use cannons and tank well does not make it superior. I know. I picked up the Eclipse months ago, and noticed a huge drop in tanking ability. It so.ply doesn't have the raw HP that the galaxy has. Its SIF siphon is fairly useful, but hardly a game changer. And turn rate doesn't really mean anything when you can't even seem to drop your targets shields.
No, the Eclipse is far from superior. If you want a superior tank ship, the guardian is what you should be referring to.
L2P. tanking is 90% station setup, eclipse station setup is better for tanking, and everything else. its that simple.
Galaxy - Doesn't show the T5U with the +1 Console Slot, but the basic layout and play of the ship remains the same. You talk about "dropping the target's shields" and you hold up the Galaxy-class? Of all ships? LOL!
If someone is pissing on your skirt do you believe it's raining?
You really didn't understand did you? I said, turn rate doesn't matter if you can't drop your targets shields. As in, if you're in an eclipse, and shooting at a galaxy, and you can't bring its shields down, your turn rate means nothing. But on the other hand, the galaxy is actually capable of defeating the eclipse. As for there not being a fleet version, what does that matter? The T6 ships already have more console slots and abilities than any T5U, fleet or not. If anything, a fleet eclipse would be about an even match to the fleet galaxy T5U.
You really didn't understand did you? I said, turn rate doesn't matter if you can't drop your targets shields. As in, if you're in an eclipse, and shooting at a galaxy, and you can't bring its shields down, your turn rate means nothing. But on the other hand, the galaxy is actually capable of defeating the eclipse. As for there not being a fleet version, what does that matter? The T6 ships already have more console slots and abilities than any T5U, fleet or not. If anything, a fleet eclipse would be about an even match to the fleet galaxy T5U.
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starfleet is not known for there brilliance when it comes to there tactical planning and fore sight LOL
a ship being modular does not = eng stations, it = universal stations. what we got could not be more opposite of how the ship actually is, somehow its the least flexible ship of all.
thing should have a COM eng, and the rest universal, to really be accurate.
but that will never happen because it makes sense
and yes on the D'D set up i thought for sure the galaxy would be changed as well when the D'D was originally shown to be an exact copy of the galaxy and every one had a s*** fit and they changed it
Don't take this the wrong way, but I would recommend you doing a reality check on yourself. You know this is the forum of a Star Trek game, a fictional universe set in the future where people fly faster than light and all that? We are not talking about an actual fleet or anything. Your professional background has absolutely nothing to do with anything here. So maybe just tone it down a bit.
I am baffled that this still comes up. I mean including the old thread, that myth of the Galaxy not being able to fight because peace and fun was debunked like a dozen times already and even if the conflicts were not present during it's development people still don't get what Starfleet is about. It's the same with this "Borg Borg warfighting" TRIBBLE.
Deep-Space Exploration is *not* peaceful. All our "cool military" aficionados really don't get over terminology, but "Exploration" means "confronting the unknown". The unknown in Star Trek is plastered with dozens of quasi omnipotent beings hellbent on murdering your face. Every Explorer is equipped to deal with that, on it's own because support is far away - I would suspect in pure firepower, every Explorer is completely en par if not superior to every Warship the other factions come up with. The main difference lies in tactics. Romulan warships overwhelm the enemy, Klingons operate in packs/squads and prey on the enemy and Starfleet stands in shining armour and dukes it out because "they don't sneak around" (Rodenberry). And yes, Starfleet's credo is "Ex astris, scientia", not "Shoot anything that moves". What Picard displays with the Ent-D, attempting diplomacy before shooting the enemy to bits which the ship is capable of, reflects discipline and strength, not weakness or cowardice. The show was about the good of humanity, not about Call of Duty in space. It has been made clear time and again that Starfleet is not supposed to be the damn US Navy and/or Marines and I really don't know why all this military fetishism is so strong within this forum, it really baffles me.
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Starfleet may not be the Marines or the US army but they aren't living in a time of peace so its time to beef up the Galaxy class like it was beefed up during the dominion war or like the alternative time line of Yesterday's Enterprise where the Enterprise D was built for war. Then again its a game and you cannot compare what goes on with the TV show. Not to mention the galaxy class is still outdated by an Excelsior-class in the game which is very weird seeing how that Excelsior-class outdates every ship and is more powerful and better then current cruiser line ups such as the sovereign class and the odyssey class.
There is no really need to "beef up" anything. All that changes really is that civilian personnel is evacuated and the space isnide is utilised for troops or auxilliary systems. The Galaxy class is pretty much a heavy hitting 'battleship' all the time, maybe micromanaging the EPS systems would supply more power to the weapon systems, but that's it. There is no "peace" and "war" Galaxy in terms of armament, each and every Starfleet ship is designed to be at the maximum defensive capability relative to her own size and setup. Everything else would not make much sense.
That's in-canon. In STO, well there is not much wiggle room. The Galaxy/Explorer is the engineering branch of the trinity before they introduced "can do everything but better" hybrid ships, so in terms of consistency and gamedesign they cannot change the setup, it's the COM/LTC Engineering cruiser with another Engineering ensign (the sovereign was the "tactical" version of it which was a mere ensign tac back in the day and that odd Star Cruiser frankenstein got the sci ens). If a T6 Galaxy would look vastly different from the T6 Intrepid layout they TRIBBLE everything up all over again.
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Probably going to get flamed as hell for saying this, but what the heck - it's a shining example of Cryptic's target audience at work. Day in and day out they've shown that they don't need players/customers that have rational understanding of things, but rather blind followers of whatever they've been told by the company with the attention span of a goldfish.
The D'Deridex layout was everything the Galaxy should have been. Then the Guardian layout is even more of everything the Galaxy should have been. I have no doubt that even the Kobali TRIBBLE will turn out even further more what the Galaxy should have been.
We've begged them to make the Ens.engineering Boff station an universal one and they made the Galaxy-X's one universal. :rolleyes:
ddis had this amazing proposal for the Galaxy to swap Boff stations in a similar manner to the DSDs in order to give it more tactical potential because the game they create is completely DPS oriented and what did they do? They give the Galaxy a set bonus that makes it..........wait for it.........more tanky!!! :rolleyes:
Yeah, we'll get a Galaxy Class in STO worthy of it's show counterpart right about when we get playable Borg cubes in lockboxes, when they "clean house" to squeeze whatever there's left to squeeze from unobservant fools. Either then, or after they remove Geko from the Lead Designer position, however I'm pretty sure the game will close before that happens.
Your build must be years old.
I respect what other players want to fit the Galaxy R on their playstyle but saying that the Galaxy R has no teeth has no basis whatsover.
Please spend more time in game rather in the forums.
The Galaxy CAN be given a fairly effective dps build - but there is only one way to do this and a third or more of it's dps is reliant on partnering with team members who can keep a target intel weakened or under constant multiple pattern betas. This playstyle is fine if you just want pure dps to show off your 'leet builds'.
The Galaxy is just too inflexible - there are very few ways to make fun builds for her. Effective - arguable, because you are reliant on teammates debuffing your targets - but yes. But the Galaxy itself - no matter what powers you slot, there is always an engineering power or two on cooldown because there just aren't enough power options. Tac team - which is almost mandatory in this game - completely steals one of your power stations.
You can't build a Galaxy in this game that's both: 1) Effictive and 2) anywhere near accurate to her capabilities on screen. I know that for a large chunk of players - your fun is min-maxing and pure efficiency. But for the rest of us - the fun is taking a ship we love and being able to enjoy it. In my personal opinion - the Galaxy just isn't enjoyable in the current format - and there are so many ways to fix it that would keep every party happy.
and again with the same build a free star cruiser can out DPS it and out tank
you have no argument
his argument has a shocking lack of logic. the galaxy R is good for 70k DPS in perfect conditions, if it can do that it must be fine!
but the best ships can crank out almost 100k more. so i guess that doesn't mean much after all!
its still at the bottom of the heap, the DPS goal posts have just moved. and outside of DPS TRIBBLE land, its still the worst ship there is, if you were trying to level specialization for example, running your thousand patrols, there no tier5U beam boat cruiser it would take longer to do that with then the galaxy R! save for the starcruiser, an ancient cryptic design no one is capable of caring about.
wish the gal-r could have that boff layout it actually feels like a star trek fight with the prolonged phaser bursts
Today only! 500 Zen to add Galaxy skin to the Guardian! When Galaxy skin is equipped - lt eng/int hybrid is switched to lt eng/comm station!
We all win!
they both have a COM and LTC eng with a LT sci, in that way they break even for tanking. the galaxy R has a ENS eng too, which ads NOTHING, wile the eclipse has an ENS uni, that if used for sci will have a significant impact on tanking and healing potential.
in no role can the galaxy compete, with anything. the galaxy is a pretty awful tank over all, the tankiest ships have an even mix of sci and eng, not mostly eng and little sci. there are even a plethora of tac crusiers, not just the eclipse, that are significantly better tanks then the galaxy, wile the galaxy has the least tac potential.
So even the Space Zombies have a superior ship to STO's Galaxy-class and Galaxy-X.
yes, indeed.
the eclipse is definitivly superior in it tanking potential.
the ensign universal that give it the abilitie to have 3 sci power sceal the deal.
and that not even mentioning the lt commander tact that can also be used to tank and it turn rate/speed/inertia that allow it to escape more easily the enemie firing arc.
clearly superior.
but that should not come as a surprise, it was more or less already the case with the exelsior anyway.
when we said that there is nothing that you can do with this ship that can not be done better by any other, it is the case, it is not just a sentence that sound good.
and no one, that is not trolling or try to see if you known what you are talking about, will argue this fact, because it is the easiest thing to prove.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
I really don't get this Kobali stuff.
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I'm heavily inclined to agree with you on this one, given everything I've seen from this dev team on this topic.
Well, see angrytarg, that is because the Deferi want ballance in everything, but now with the Delta Quadrant the Kobali.........SQUIRREL!!!!
LOL bro u made my day xD , now i cant take out the image of gouron talking and saying SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!! whit his mad eyes
Sry for mi english.
Superior? The Eclipse? Are you sure we're playing the same game? I have yet to either fight against or alongside an Eclipse that i s even remotely capable of out-tanking the galaxy. Just because a ship can use cannons and tank well does not make it superior. I know. I picked up the Eclipse months ago, and noticed a huge drop in tanking ability. It so.ply doesn't have the raw HP that the galaxy has. Its SIF siphon is fairly useful, but hardly a game changer. And turn rate doesn't really mean anything when you can't even seem to drop your targets shields.
No, the Eclipse is far from superior. If you want a superior tank ship, the guardian is what you should be referring to.
That. Makes. SO MUCH. sense. Wooooah :eek:
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OMG man, do you have Horse Blinders on?
Eclipse - The FLEET version isn't in yet.
Galaxy - Doesn't show the T5U with the +1 Console Slot, but the basic layout and play of the ship remains the same. You talk about "dropping the target's shields" and you hold up the Galaxy-class? Of all ships? LOL!
If someone is pissing on your skirt do you believe it's raining?
L2P. tanking is 90% station setup, eclipse station setup is better for tanking, and everything else. its that simple.
You really didn't understand did you? I said, turn rate doesn't matter if you can't drop your targets shields. As in, if you're in an eclipse, and shooting at a galaxy, and you can't bring its shields down, your turn rate means nothing. But on the other hand, the galaxy is actually capable of defeating the eclipse. As for there not being a fleet version, what does that matter? The T6 ships already have more console slots and abilities than any T5U, fleet or not. If anything, a fleet eclipse would be about an even match to the fleet galaxy T5U.
*facepalm*