Instead of hiding, ambushing, then running away to hide again I would rather have something That makes me the biggest target in the universe.
As a side bonus It should raise my defense by an order of magnitude for its duration.
It should also force targeting on me for any one within a certain radius, thus making it harder for even players to target the squishier ships around me.
Sounds more federation-y
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i'm Sure That This Has Been Discussed Before, But Now I Think It Is Only Logical That Starfleet Has Some Ships That Have Battle Cloak. It Seems Preposterous To Think, With The Alliance Of The Romulan Republic, And The Aid The Federation Is Rendering, And The Basic Collapse Of The Romulan Star Empire As A Serious Threat To The Federation, That They Still Don't, Or Can't Have Obtained A Battle Cloaking Device To Install Into At Least One Modern Escort Design. Hell If You Have To For Whatever Reason, Make The Ship Require Singularity Cores, But Seeing As How They Have Cloaks Running Off Matter/antimatter Warp Cores, And The Kdf Have Battle Cloaks On Bop's Using Same Reactor Technology, I Don't See Where The Issue Comes In.
If This Is About Fairness, Or Balance, Then Give The Romulans A Ship With Regular Cloak That Gets Some Native Bonus That Federation Ships Get(what Would That Be?) And Give The Kdf Something Too, But I'm Just Trying To State That In This Era Of The Star Trek Galaxy, And With The State Of The Federation/romulan Star Empire, And The Threats Coming In From Every Angle, I Don't Understand Why They Wouldn't Have A Ship With Battle Cloak.
Romulans = Protoss ..........The nomadic and high tech guys
Federation = Terran .......... The human good guys
Klingons = Zerg .......... The barbaric bad guys
Iconians = Xel'naga ..........The ancient guys
Solanae = Hybrids .......... The powerful servant guys
Seems to me alternative would be that every federation ship gets theTachyon Detection Field inbuilt to counter cloak, any ship detected by it, gets a resistance debuff similar to alpha strike.
I just have to agree with the OP. What with all the power creep, some of the older ships really need some more... zaz, zing, and pop to 'em. On that note, and on account of having suffered through at least two ships which make it slightly less appealing, my vote goes for giving the much maligned Vesta-class battle cloak.
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Instead of hiding, ambushing, then running away to hide again I would rather have something That makes me the biggest target in the universe.
As a side bonus It should raise my defense by an order of magnitude for its duration.
It should also force targeting on me for any one within a certain radius, thus making it harder for even players to target the squishier ships around me.
Sounds more federation-y
Exactly. This I could go with. I've been saying this for a long long time - if all the incompetent Fed. pilots really need some kind of a boost to even play this shockingly easy game, the least they could do is ask for a buff that falls within the Federation spirit like you mentioned here.
I don't like my Feds to have cloaks, I want my gameplay on Fed to at least resemble what I watched and grew to love in the numerous shows and movies.
Seriously, everyone complaining for Fed. cloak - you'll get much more support for any buff if you stop asking for other factions' things and decide to complain for something unique and in the spirit of Starfleet and the Federation.
Personally, I'll never suport and always be valianty against the idea of giving Feds cloaking tech. I would however be ok and support some ideas that enhance Fed ships cloak detecting abilities as a counter and a unique thing for Fed ships.
If we are going to argue Fed cloaks and consoles. I say keep them as is, but let the TOS Constitution use it as well. After all it did get to install a cloak they took off a Romulan ship so it fits. :P
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
If we are going to argue Fed cloaks and consoles. I say keep them as is, but let the TOS Constitution use it as well. After all it did get to install a cloak they took off a Romulan ship so it fits. :P
I see where this is going. Well played.
Then after a while we can say we want to trade the cloak on the TOS Constitution for a T5 Constitution.
Let's do it this way. The Defiant SHOULD as it was seen I an episode cloaking while being shot at, BUT.... it should be inbuilt to ship or made a device, because it's TRIBBLE for any other fed ship to have it per romulan alliance. It should be a battlecloak but as a device or built in the ship like excelsior trasnwarp, and only work on defiant class ships. NO other ship. If it's made a device it should be like the DSD dhcs.
The boss being a gigantic Winter Epohh Researcher. As you lay waste to the Epohh Horde, she can occasionally cry out things like, "Didn't you want an Epohh friend?"
Some folks will have only bought the TER/DC to get the console to run it on one of the four other ships. If the Cloak ends up built-in to those six ships, then they've wasted 2000-2500 Zen for a console they no longer need (cause it will no longer exist).
So what console should the TER/DC get instead?
It's not a case of opposing the suggestion in the least...merely pointing out the issue that would arise and wondering what would be done to address it.
Stop whining. Create a romulan or KDF. I don't want every faction to be the same. Thank you, have a nice day.
Quite possibly the best response to the OP's moment of insanity..ummm I mean, question.
There are Fedships that can cloak RIGHT NOW so just...no.
I would even call for a nerf to the current Fedship's cloaks.
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That's not a bad idea. The Aquarius would actually be the perfect platform for a Starfleet raider. Like the Birds of Prey, it's basically a glass cannon. Hit and run would be the way to go with this ship.
That's not a bad idea. The Aquarius would actually be the perfect platform for a Starfleet raider. Like the Birds of Prey, it's basically a glass cannon. Hit and run would be the way to go with this ship.
Keep raiders KDF exclusive, rework the Aquarius into a corvette type craft (low hull, moderate shield, high turn, high impulse mod, possibly higher defense rating).
Keep raiders KDF exclusive, rework the Aquarius into a corvette type craft (low hull, moderate shield, high turn, high impulse mod, possibly higher defense rating).
Raiders aren't KDF exclusive though. There's the Breen Plesh Brek Heavy Raider. It's non-faction.
The Aquarius also sports 4/2 Weapons...which is pretty distinctive. To make it a Corvette, would you add a 3rd Aft Weapon?
At the risk of sounding like a massive nerd, the treaty of Algeron was made null and void with the destruction of Romulus.
Sorry to be spoilsport but treaties like these are not between planets just like nowadays they are not between cities. Otherwise if for example the capital of a nation sank into the ocean all treaties would also be null and void.
And while they are signed by governments, they are between nations.
Otherwise if the current administration of a nation stepped down (for example due to elections) all treaties they signed would also suddenly be null and void and have to be resigned.
That's not even remotely how international relations work.
I'm not quite sure if the sinking city thing or the election thing would be more ridicilous.
Oh and if a state is dissolved and there is a legal successor state, that one takes over the legal responsibilities of the previous state. For example Russia took over as sole legal successor state of the Soviet union. Western Germany was the legal successor state to the Third Reich.
So on what nerdom legal basis is you argument constructed?
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Instead of hiding, ambushing, then running away to hide again I would rather have something That makes me the biggest target in the universe.
As a side bonus It should raise my defense by an order of magnitude for its duration.
It should also force targeting on me for any one within a certain radius, thus making it harder for even players to target the squishier ships around me.
Sounds more federation-y
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Federation = Terran .......... The human good guys
Klingons = Zerg .......... The barbaric bad guys
Iconians = Xel'naga ..........The ancient guys
Solanae = Hybrids .......... The powerful servant guys
Which game are we playing here?
Lol...
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Ahem...
Give the Aquarius a Battle Cloak.
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There was somebody that actually asked for the Barrier Field in the AA thread.
Exactly. This I could go with. I've been saying this for a long long time - if all the incompetent Fed. pilots really need some kind of a boost to even play this shockingly easy game, the least they could do is ask for a buff that falls within the Federation spirit like you mentioned here.
I don't like my Feds to have cloaks, I want my gameplay on Fed to at least resemble what I watched and grew to love in the numerous shows and movies.
Seriously, everyone complaining for Fed. cloak - you'll get much more support for any buff if you stop asking for other factions' things and decide to complain for something unique and in the spirit of Starfleet and the Federation.
Personally, I'll never suport and always be valianty against the idea of giving Feds cloaking tech. I would however be ok and support some ideas that enhance Fed ships cloak detecting abilities as a counter and a unique thing for Fed ships.
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Would happen if they implemented something as TRIBBLE as this.
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But you'd have to give them another Console to replace the Console they've lost that they paid for...so what would that be?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
I see where this is going. Well played.
Then after a while we can say we want to trade the cloak on the TOS Constitution for a T5 Constitution.
Fine as I could use the consol my cloak takes up and it really is a device so it should be the device slot.
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I mean, literally - what console would be given in exchange?
The Cloaking Device console comes on either the Tactical Escort Retrofit or Dreadnought Cruiser...
...but it can also be used on:
Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit
Fleet Dreadnought Cruiser
Avenger Battle Cruiser
Fleet Avenger Battle Cruiser
Some folks will have only bought the TER/DC to get the console to run it on one of the four other ships. If the Cloak ends up built-in to those six ships, then they've wasted 2000-2500 Zen for a console they no longer need (cause it will no longer exist).
So what console should the TER/DC get instead?
It's not a case of opposing the suggestion in the least...merely pointing out the issue that would arise and wondering what would be done to address it.
Quite possibly the best response to the OP's moment of insanity..ummm I mean, question.
There are Fedships that can cloak RIGHT NOW so just...no.
I would even call for a nerf to the current Fedship's cloaks.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
That's not a bad idea. The Aquarius would actually be the perfect platform for a Starfleet raider. Like the Birds of Prey, it's basically a glass cannon. Hit and run would be the way to go with this ship.
Ahem :rolleyes:......nope.
Hung up on the name...Raider?
Cause otherwise...
Fleet Aquarius vs. Plesh Brek
-3300 Hull
+0.06 Shield Mod
-2 Turn
-0.6 Imp Mod
+5 Inertia
Fleet Aquarius vs. Fleet HoH'SuS (Tribble buffed)
-825 Hull
+0.06 Shield Mod
-4 Turn
-0.5 Imp Mod
+10 Inertia
The compare the stats to "actual" Destroyers...the Aquarius is not a Destroyer. It's pretty much a Raider.
Raiders aren't KDF exclusive though. There's the Breen Plesh Brek Heavy Raider. It's non-faction.
The Aquarius also sports 4/2 Weapons...which is pretty distinctive. To make it a Corvette, would you add a 3rd Aft Weapon?
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...but make it a shuttlecraft.
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I couldn't agree more.
The Federation doesn't need the cloaking toys, just some kinda compensation for not having it (->Balance<-).
At the risk of sounding like a massive nerd, the treaty of Algeron was made null and void with the destruction of Romulus.
I'm not THAT difficult to please, I just have a very low tolerance threshold for stupid BS! - George Carlin.
Sorry to be spoilsport but treaties like these are not between planets just like nowadays they are not between cities. Otherwise if for example the capital of a nation sank into the ocean all treaties would also be null and void.
And while they are signed by governments, they are between nations.
Otherwise if the current administration of a nation stepped down (for example due to elections) all treaties they signed would also suddenly be null and void and have to be resigned.
That's not even remotely how international relations work.
I'm not quite sure if the sinking city thing or the election thing would be more ridicilous.
Oh and if a state is dissolved and there is a legal successor state, that one takes over the legal responsibilities of the previous state. For example Russia took over as sole legal successor state of the Soviet union. Western Germany was the legal successor state to the Third Reich.
So on what nerdom legal basis is you argument constructed?