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Federation Cloaking device (Continued from necro'ed thread)
patrickngo
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twofatnuts wrote: »The interphasic cloaking device that federation was working at in "The Pegasus" episode of star trek TNG was a success but ended dramaticly after mutiny.
Enterprise D was send to check the last know possition of uss pegasus and then the interphasic cloaking device was recovered and integrated with enterprise D systems allowing the ship to fly throu solid matter and being perfectly camuflaged.
At the end interphasic cloaking device was confiscated by federation.
So there is a pure federation cloaking device but federation cant use it for political reasons.
I suggest you re-watch the Episode, dude-it wasn't because of a mutiny, it was because the cloaking device overstrained the power systems and the ship got stuck. When the juice ran out, it solidified where it had drifted...in the middle of a rock.
The reason they were able to mount it to the Enterprise-D was that the power systems were significantly beefier and could take teh exotic particle strain.
In short, it was a technical, not personnel, failure.
[speculation]
Presumably, one of the non-treaty reasons that Starfleet didn't resurrect that project in light of the Borg threat, was that the failure could be a cumulative effect-you know, eating the lining of the EPS conduits or something. That would have allowed Picard to mount it on the D, for a short time, but it would have been a strong motivator NOT to continue the programme (or resurrect it). One reason for this may be that Federation technology, being more refined, loses some characteristic of durability under those loads that less perfected materials in use by the Klingons don't-it would explain the explosion of a Starfleet ship in Romulan space that was testing a new cloak developed in the Federation (See "Path to 2409")
Endstate being that the Federation, for whatever reasons, gets its cloak in a black-box installation (console) rather than integrated from design stage onward (Klingon standard cloak, BoP/Romulan Battlecloak). In doing so, they sidestep the hazards, self-exploding ships, and getting stuck in a rock.
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ha!
so if that speculation is correct, it mean that the federation technologie have regressed since season 5.
because before that the defiant and galaxy x didn't have any problem having an integrated cloack.
for 5 season.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
You'll burn in the fires of Gre'thor for this!!! :P
That is so true.
That happens to all cloaks, not only the federation one.
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It's canon, and the way it should be, the reasons for not being a battle cloak are moot obsolete balance points now and cloaks are not what set factions apart these days. Battle cloaks for all and call it a day already. The reasons for it not being battle cloak is what the dead horse is.
It is not the Defiant does have BC.It doesn't matter about balance ships aren't balanced in this game regardless comparded to Starfleet Command 1 and 2.
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I proudly fly a Defiant and nerf myself as it is with a cloaking device.
A battlecloak would be awesome - even if I still had to nerf myself using it (currently mine is in the sci slot). As it stands, my ship blows up if someone sneezes on it. I'm cool with that. The 5 seconds of glory I enjoy when I alpha the broadside of a much larger ship is what's so great about it.
The argument is always brought up of what should be given up to use a battlecloak. Well currently I'm already out of a science slot so that's a shield console right there - hence my comment about blowing up. I would give up the ensign tac slot, hull durability and shield str.
The other option is this - buff the Bird of Prey to the Defiant's stats and loadouts (since canon in this game is out the window anyway). As for the GalaxyX having it: IDC, as far as I'm concerned it shouldn't even be in the game along with a huge list of other ships.
At the very least I would like to see the following QOL changes:
- Ship doesn't decloak when damage is received.
- a 1 second or .5 second cooldown after cloaking to prevent accidental double clicking from decloaking triggering the longer cooldown.
- Ship doesn't decloak when communicating with bridge officers or mission pop-ups.
- Manually firing a weapon decloaks the vessel.
again, my 2c
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Defiant with BC and no other changes would be way too OP.
(I'm talking about a built in BC too!)
Tell that to my scimitar... Or any warbird.
IMO, instill think the fed ships shouldn't have cloak.
But, ships that have cloak... Well I really don't get the reason why a ship shouldn't be able to cloak in battle.... Neither story wise nor, since lor, balance wise. I wouldn't mind to turn all cloaks into battle cloaks...
Just bind a key to drop cloak and fire. Prioritize it to activate before weapons fire. You might have to double-tap the key beforehand, but it will, nevertheless, have the same general effect.
It could be possible to have the cloaking device include a 10 or 20 point constant drain to all systems to offset the advantage of having a Fed cloak/interphasic cloak.
These are good ideas especially the dialogue one.
http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=age1_3105
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I mean you guys have played romulan vessels right? brought them into fleet actions? played them on advanced difficulty? Cloaking in mid battle often get you killed, I have been blown up countless times on 2 romulan and 1 KDF characters.
I mean, I have a Defiant and Galaxy X, love'em both. They are my two most flown ships, but their cloaks are great additions but I am glad I do not have to work constant tactics around them.
With mt KDF allied tact Romulan I alpha strike then wait until my singularity powers reach high enough so I can use quantum absorption and cloak with shields. Cause without that its tossing a coin whether you get oneshotted or not.
My Fed allied Science officer got the Advanced dysons ship, so she can engage the secondary shield and re cloak.
I have 2 federation characters a Human Tac and an Androian engineer, and neither of their birds blow up nearly as much an my Rommie characters do. (Both level 50 and early 20's)
My Orion Engineer had to play her B'rel and Norgh a lot more carefully than I currently play her Maurader flight deck cruiser. Hell she can survive an npc ambush with that at least, and she doesnt nearly die as much during the borg incursions.
I mean if I wasnt a Ro'tarran fan boy, instead of my Next klink ship being the c-store Norgh, It would be the Naussican siege destroyer.
The initial burst in DPS is good, and I suppose scaring people in Ker'rkat (I don't do it personally)
I rather keep Fed cloak capable ships a as Ships built to function without a cloak but have one anyway. Than ships built around one gimmick, spooking people.
i am inclined to agree. the roms really threw out the old rules... make the defiant cloaking device a 'battle cloaking device', give the kdf cloakers battle cloak, and call it done. the romulan advantage is gettng rather tiresome.
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Well... Learn to cloak.
Not even sarcasm. I played the Hegh'ta for 4 years and it takes a while to learn when to cloak and what to do to avoid it beeing suicide,
And it STILL kills you on occasion.
Then there are ships like the scimitar who do not have that problem because,... Well... Shields.
More often then not "battleckoak" means "I don't need to wait until that red alert sign goes away after the battle". It's often just a pure comfort function.
But it's difficult to use on occasion. Which is why I don't why we shouldn't turn all cloaks into bcs.
Time will only tell!
Federation Cloak:
Well this clock is pointless it wastes a console slot, and after I am in combat it is worthless until I am able to get away or I get destroyed.
Fleet Defiant: I think with newer ships now out Avenger, Mogh it is time to give her, the missing 10% more shields.
Klingon Cloak:
Same as the Fed Cloak but I don't waste a console slot, still not awesome but way better.
Romulan Cloak:
Pure awesomeness, in combination with the Romulan operative Trait unbeatable.
So some people don't see or don't want to see why the Cloak is so fantastic, well first you get a dps bonus and in case of a Battle Cloak you also get a nice oh **** button.
But if you still don't believe me why do you think currently a lot of Army's, Navy's and Air Force's are developing stealth planes I am sure it is not because the look cool but because the are superior to their enemies.
Burn this thread!!!!!!
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Ill answer the OP first - NO!
NOW burn it.
just tell your crew to stop singing the Russian national anthem and youl will be fine:D
Nice reference to "The Hunt for Red October".