What Rink said. What makes the Romulan feels distinct is that they're really, really powerful. Give the Feds all kinds of built in battle cloaks and singularity powers, superior operatives, valdore console etc for a price that can be compensated for with a leech console and you dilute that Romulan feel.
I agree that by now they would have looted and reverse engineered a cloaking device.
I disagree they would want it. The federation cannot expose the big lie too much (that they are a peaceful group bent on bettering the universe and exploring).
There is no peaceful, honest, nonmilitary use of cloaking. It is for sneaking, spying, ambushing, or cowardly escapes. None of which really fit the goal of keeping up the external appearances of the goals of the federation. You could say the same of any weaponry of course, as well as the escort/warship builds, but blur the lines too far and the federation becomes a military setup.
Its like saying that the KDF should make more gigantic poorly armed ships to explore with. Or that romulans should make more ships that do not have cloak. Its technologically possible, but not desired by the cultures.
Romulans are crutches for lazy players. They're OP, boffs need not to stack, singularity consoles/doffs need a rethink too. It takes more skill to play pure FED or KDF than romulan. Scimitar is a prime example of the herp derp I win button mashers.
The defiant deserves a built-in Battle Cloak, the only fed ship that does. But cryptic ****ed up the defiant, giving it one of the worse boff layouts ever, and some how making it pretty squishy even if you resist it up.
Change the boff layout to something like the chimera or mobius destroyers, built-in battle cloak, quad phaser cannons that aren't garbage, call it the Experimental Advance Escort Sisko class or something and sell it in the c-store. Oh, make sure it has 10 console slots too.
Quote about STO on consoles: "Not quite as bad as No man's sky, but a close second."
I agree that by now they would have looted and reverse engineered a cloaking device.
I disagree they would want it. The federation cannot expose the big lie too much (that they are a peaceful group bent on bettering the universe and exploring).
There is no peaceful, honest, nonmilitary use of cloaking. It is for sneaking, spying, ambushing, or cowardly escapes. None of which really fit the goal of keeping up the external appearances of the goals of the federation. You could say the same of any weaponry of course, as well as the escort/warship builds, but blur the lines too far and the federation becomes a military setup.
Its like saying that the KDF should make more gigantic poorly armed ships to explore with. Or that romulans should make more ships that do not have cloak. Its technologically possible, but not desired by the cultures.
Excuse me...but you are confused.
The Federation is the Civilian Government. Starfleet is the military and they ARE a military organization. If you apply common sense to it, there is no reason Starfleet would reject Battle Cloaking.
However, I agree that the factions should be distinctive.
With that said...it is about time all Federation ships had metaphasic scanning abilities to expose cloaked ships in say...a 5 km distance. It would be in line with the culture, and it would balance.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
If you oppose the Reputation nerf, feel free to use my signature
I agree that by now they would have looted and reverse engineered a cloaking device.
I disagree they would want it. The federation cannot expose the big lie too much (that they are a peaceful group bent on bettering the universe and exploring).
There is no peaceful, honest, nonmilitary use of cloaking. It is for sneaking, spying, ambushing, or cowardly escapes. None of which really fit the goal of keeping up the external appearances of the goals of the federation. You could say the same of any weaponry of course, as well as the escort/warship builds, but blur the lines too far and the federation becomes a military setup.
Its like saying that the KDF should make more gigantic poorly armed ships to explore with. Or that romulans should make more ships that do not have cloak. Its technologically possible, but not desired by the cultures.
The Federation, whether the Cryptic lore has gone off canon, and CBS stopped waving the banhammer, or whatever, is not the peaceful entity it was in the 23rd and 24th centuries. the Picards are gone from all outward appearance. We are at war with everyone.
Romulans are crutches for lazy players. They're OP, boffs need not to stack, singularity consoles/doffs need a rethink too. It takes more skill to play pure FED or KDF than romulan. Scimitar is a prime example of the herp derp I win button mashers.
The defiant deserves a built-in Battle Cloak, the only fed ship that does. But cryptic ****ed up the defiant, giving it one of the worse boff layouts ever, and some how making it pretty squishy even if you resist it up.
Change the boff layout to something like the chimera or mobius destroyers, built-in battle cloak, quad phaser cannons that aren't garbage, call it the Experimental Advance Escort Sisko class or something and sell it in the c-store. Oh, make sure it has 10 console slots too.
In response to the others, this was just my point. By now, the Federation would have, if only 1 class, a starship that has Battle Cloak(Retrofit Defiant) I wasn't suggesting the singularity for the powers at all, just saying that if you needed to do that to make it canon(it wouldn't be necassary since the KDF have Battle Cloak on matter/antimatter warpcores).
There is no peaceful, honest, nonmilitary use of cloaking. It is for sneaking, spying, ambushing, or cowardly escapes. None of which really fit the goal of keeping up the external appearances of the goals of the federation. You could say the same of any weaponry of course, as well as the escort/warship builds, but blur the lines too far and the federation becomes a military setup.
There is use for Cloaking Devices in the Federation as proved by Star Trek: Insurrection. Data was using a personal cloaking device to observe a pre-warp civilization. Therefore, if the Federation existed now, then they would have cloaked ships around Earth to observe us. Of course, these cloaking devices would be pathetic compared to modern cloaking devices and can be easily be detected by any of the major empires.
What makes the Romulan feels distinct is that they're really, really powerful.
You mean: totally OP.
Give the Feds all kinds of built in battle cloaks and singularity powers, superior operatives, valdore console etc for a price that can be compensated for with a leech console and you dilute that Romulan feel.
That feeling of being totally OP, you mean?! I have a Rom myself now, and I love being OP (see my sig). But your rationale that Roms are 'distinct' because they are so ridiculously OP, that logic is kinda warped. If anything, your entire argument, while the words say the opposite, calls for a needed buff to Feds.
There is use for Cloaking Devices in the Federation as proved by Star Trek: Insurrection. Data was using a personal cloaking device to observe a pre-warp civilization. Therefore, if the Federation existed now, then they would have cloaked ships around Earth to observe us. Of course, these cloaking devices would be pathetic compared to modern cloaking devices and can be easily be detected by any of the major empires.
Spying -- or "observation of an intelligent species". At best the ethics here are questionable (as usual). But I am probably the odd man out anyway -- I could consider it to be unethical to leave a planet like our (modern day earth) alone rather than help it with better tech, when we could certainly handle the idea of space travel or aliens or whatnot without a global panic and would love to have the tech. So the prime directive actually causes more harm than good for a highly advanced but pre-warp society -- moreso in the case of a heavily polluting one.
Fed sensors should detect romulan/klingon cloaks at range 10.....Free rom/klingon no consol cloak checked
check and balence
at this point consoles and skills should sway the blaence in detecting or staying cloaked and unseen
Right now the free cloaks have no free check to them which is unbalencing
not to mention 5 SROs
not to mention the best pets on the game Elite Drones
not to mentoin singularity core powers
Then DHCs and superior manoverablity on Rom cruisers...scimitar for example there are more
I got 6 romulans....................I know what Romulans have
they so outclass my fed toons its comical
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Aside from the Galaxy-X, I believe the Federation signed a pact stating they would not develop cloaking technology. Despite that one time the Enterprise-D used the cloak from ship whose name slips my mind at the moment, but that was purely used as a plot for a tv episode. You want a battlecloak, go play as a Rommie.
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Starfleet never used cloak (with the exception of the Defiant and the other ship from the episode i cant remember.. but those are excepcional cases) because of their directives. Period. It will be no more star trek if starfleet have access to cloak.
i think the way the federation would use Cloaking tech is in the use of "Duck Blinds" for observing alien cultures and such , federation prides itself on being EXPLORERS first , military second . while i see the federation using cloaks not in the same way as the Romulan's or Klingon's use cloaks .
while i feel that for the game purposes that federation ships that can cloak should have there cloaks built in not a console seeing that console really cant be used outside the class that comes with cloak .
2 be honest i feel that should be the same for all the consoles that are LOCKED to a ship class .
For example, have modes were no ship can cloak, or were all ships can cloak
Or modes were shields are disabled
Or were all players fly the same ship
This would be in addition to normal PvP
IMHO this is worthy of its own topic.
Shields off --- favors certain ships too much. Sci ships for example would be in a bad way, while "cruisers" would dominate.
All in the same ship would be a neat mode --- esp if said ships use only the default gear.
No cloaking or all cloaking... might be interesting but you must know (or maybe you missed it) the kdf ships were penalized a little for having cloak and losing it makes them at a slight disadvantage. All cloaking really just means fed cloak again since everyone else can, but some of the specialty ships might become monsters with that.... imagine a 5 weapon andorian cloaked vaper?
Better detection / counter to cloaking is a very valid discussion. Again, since there was a penalty for having cloak, this must come from having to install anti-cloak consoles or captain trait points or something to offset that. I would say 3 km high detection, 3-5 normal, and past 5 needs tons of detection "points" from some source.
Comments
Mine Trap Supporter
I disagree they would want it. The federation cannot expose the big lie too much (that they are a peaceful group bent on bettering the universe and exploring).
There is no peaceful, honest, nonmilitary use of cloaking. It is for sneaking, spying, ambushing, or cowardly escapes. None of which really fit the goal of keeping up the external appearances of the goals of the federation. You could say the same of any weaponry of course, as well as the escort/warship builds, but blur the lines too far and the federation becomes a military setup.
Its like saying that the KDF should make more gigantic poorly armed ships to explore with. Or that romulans should make more ships that do not have cloak. Its technologically possible, but not desired by the cultures.
The defiant deserves a built-in Battle Cloak, the only fed ship that does. But cryptic ****ed up the defiant, giving it one of the worse boff layouts ever, and some how making it pretty squishy even if you resist it up.
Change the boff layout to something like the chimera or mobius destroyers, built-in battle cloak, quad phaser cannons that aren't garbage, call it the Experimental Advance Escort Sisko class or something and sell it in the c-store. Oh, make sure it has 10 console slots too.
No.
No.
I tried just typing 'No', but I HAD to have 10 characters.
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
How about we just give everyone access to all the ships without making new characters?
I know, while we are at it we could make all the races exactly the same, save on graphics by making every one fly coloured cubes...
While STo isn't perfect, you'd fek it up a lot more with this ignorant plan.
Excuse me...but you are confused.
The Federation is the Civilian Government. Starfleet is the military and they ARE a military organization. If you apply common sense to it, there is no reason Starfleet would reject Battle Cloaking.
However, I agree that the factions should be distinctive.
With that said...it is about time all Federation ships had metaphasic scanning abilities to expose cloaked ships in say...a 5 km distance. It would be in line with the culture, and it would balance.
The Federation, whether the Cryptic lore has gone off canon, and CBS stopped waving the banhammer, or whatever, is not the peaceful entity it was in the 23rd and 24th centuries. the Picards are gone from all outward appearance. We are at war with everyone.
In response to the others, this was just my point. By now, the Federation would have, if only 1 class, a starship that has Battle Cloak(Retrofit Defiant) I wasn't suggesting the singularity for the powers at all, just saying that if you needed to do that to make it canon(it wouldn't be necassary since the KDF have Battle Cloak on matter/antimatter warpcores).
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.
There is use for Cloaking Devices in the Federation as proved by Star Trek: Insurrection. Data was using a personal cloaking device to observe a pre-warp civilization. Therefore, if the Federation existed now, then they would have cloaked ships around Earth to observe us. Of course, these cloaking devices would be pathetic compared to modern cloaking devices and can be easily be detected by any of the major empires.
You mean: totally OP.
That feeling of being totally OP, you mean?! I have a Rom myself now, and I love being OP (see my sig). But your rationale that Roms are 'distinct' because they are so ridiculously OP, that logic is kinda warped. If anything, your entire argument, while the words say the opposite, calls for a needed buff to Feds.
Someone had to draw the short straw. Or else someone else doesn't feel powerful.
Who is "we"? I think it's time for you to seriously think about reality you live in.
Spying -- or "observation of an intelligent species". At best the ethics here are questionable (as usual). But I am probably the odd man out anyway -- I could consider it to be unethical to leave a planet like our (modern day earth) alone rather than help it with better tech, when we could certainly handle the idea of space travel or aliens or whatnot without a global panic and would love to have the tech. So the prime directive actually causes more harm than good for a highly advanced but pre-warp society -- moreso in the case of a heavily polluting one.
check and balence
at this point consoles and skills should sway the blaence in detecting or staying cloaked and unseen
Right now the free cloaks have no free check to them which is unbalencing
not to mention 5 SROs
not to mention the best pets on the game Elite Drones
not to mentoin singularity core powers
Then DHCs and superior manoverablity on Rom cruisers...scimitar for example there are more
I got 6 romulans....................I know what Romulans have
they so outclass my fed toons its comical
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
``````````````````````````````````````````````````
Good point
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
For example, have modes were no ship can cloak, or were all ships can cloak
Or modes were shields are disabled
Or were all players fly the same ship
This would be in addition to normal PvP
while i feel that for the game purposes that federation ships that can cloak should have there cloaks built in not a console seeing that console really cant be used outside the class that comes with cloak .
2 be honest i feel that should be the same for all the consoles that are LOCKED to a ship class .
IMHO this is worthy of its own topic.
Shields off --- favors certain ships too much. Sci ships for example would be in a bad way, while "cruisers" would dominate.
All in the same ship would be a neat mode --- esp if said ships use only the default gear.
No cloaking or all cloaking... might be interesting but you must know (or maybe you missed it) the kdf ships were penalized a little for having cloak and losing it makes them at a slight disadvantage. All cloaking really just means fed cloak again since everyone else can, but some of the specialty ships might become monsters with that.... imagine a 5 weapon andorian cloaked vaper?
Better detection / counter to cloaking is a very valid discussion. Again, since there was a penalty for having cloak, this must come from having to install anti-cloak consoles or captain trait points or something to offset that. I would say 3 km high detection, 3-5 normal, and past 5 needs tons of detection "points" from some source.