Compared to other escorts in a non decloak alpha? Yes, it's weaker. The Fleet Patrol Escort is a better ship.
LOL, you're saying the Defiant is inferior in even a non-decloak alpha strike? LOLOLOLOL!!!
You are doing something terribly, terribly, terribly wrong if you have that issue with the Defiant. The Defiant is as stacked as you can get with an Escort for firepower, tac ability, tac consoles (4 for Retrofit, 5 for Fleet). It has as much TAC BOFF seating you need to cram whatever you can into the ship. In terms of Escorts, only the Andorian Escort can mount more forward firepower than the Defiant, but it does not have the luxury of a cloak.
A Fleet Defiant doing an alpha strike, most esp. if using a decloaking alpha strike, is about as punishing as anything else in the game. Few ships can match or exceed the Defiant's attack or decloaking strikes (hint: Overpowered Warbirds).
The FPE is more survivable than the Fleet Defiant. But it will never have the tactical advantage of cloaks, the luxury of initiating contact on your terms due to cloaks, and it does not have the 5 TAC Consoles of the Defiant. That's the price the more rounded Escorts pay. They will do well, no doubt, but in sheer firepower for Fed ships, nothing is the same as the Fleet Defiant. Only the Andorian Escorts can challenge that. Not even the 5 TAC Console Fleet MVAE has the same level of sheer firepower.
Just about the only thing that can exceed the Fleet Defiant is the Bugship itself. With the spire tac consoles now in the game there are literally no excuses for being terrible with it.
The Qin Raptor doesn't have a Battle Cloak & there is no Fleet Raptor with 5 tac consoles.
Whee! *going around and around in circles*
Edit: Also, the B'rel & the Hegh'ta & Fleet Norgh have 3 Tac consoles.
The Fleet T'varo might have 4 Tac consoles, and the Fleet Ar'kif might have 5, but Roms R OP & whatever.
The alliance with the Romulan Republic has absolutely nothing to do with the Federation not being able to develop cloaking technology. It is the renewed treaty with the Romulan Star Empire that prevents Federation from developing cloaking technology. In the Path to 2409 accolades, it states that the Federation got caught using cloaking technology and had to renew their pledge of no cloaking technology to repair the damage to Romulan and Klingon relations. Numerous Starfleet personnel got fired due to this mess.
¿? And again. Starfleet never used cloak. And never will. Because they cant. Their directives forbid it. It has nothing to do with any trety. Stop inventing things lol. In TNG it was said A LOT of times, Starfleet never used cloak cuz that will violate some rules or watever i cant remember. It has nothing to do with romulans, klingons, treatys or watever. Now, if you tell me that after the genuine saga, when STO came to life things changed, of course, maybe. But that is not enough reason to give stafleet a battle cloak. Not by far.
Its like saying a policeman is corrupt and they can steal, kill and watever. Of course they can, but they are police officers, they are not supossed to.
It has a Standard Cloak true to lore and Canon.............so no.
And here we go , now its no longer about Battle Cloak , we should give the Defiant a beast in its own a Advanced Cloak making it superior to the Scimitar ........
While we are at it lets give the Defiant a ultra powerful attack that it can do in this Advanced Battle Cloak ...............yeah yeah
for me if it not in form of film it doesn't exist for me sorry
B'Rel needs a revamp. Its one of the most interesting ships in the game, but sadly, now with T'Varo here, there is no more use for it. Even with all Embassy BOFFs, the dmg output is not comparable.
I really like the T'varo as a Tac bomber, but the B'rel can still do things that the T'varo can't. To me, the B'rel is the most fun ship in the game, even if it blows up fast & the power creep has gone way beyond the B'rel. There's really no comparison between the T'varo and B'rel there unless you're forcing a pure Tac layout on the B'rel, which is where the T'varo will always beat the B'rel.
The T'varo comes with a Commander Tac & Ensign Tac. There is also the 2 Lieutenant slots for Eng & Sci, plus the Lt.Com Universal.
The T'varo's Ensign Tac (not a Lieutenant), combined with the Lt.Com Universal (i.e. not the Sci slot) means you are really forced to cut down your swing to either go more Tac (so your only Sci is a Lieutenant) or get the Grav Well 1 (so your backup Tac is Ensign). IMO, neither choice is that great.
In any case, I can pile more of what I want on a B'rel, whereas the T'varo seems more of a gimmick ship compared to real warbirds like the Valdore/Mogai or Ar'kif.
(Whether or not the Mogai or Ar'kif (or even the Ha'feh) is OP compared to the Defiant is another discussion, but I don't see why the Defiant should be handed something that even the Qin can't get... and the awkward-turning Qin is definitely inferior to the Defiant, even with the Defiant's cloak console.)
¿? And again. Starfleet never used cloak. And never will. Because they cant. Their directives forbid it. It has nothing to do with any trety. Stop inventing things lol. In TNG it was said A LOT of times, Starfleet never used cloak cuz that will violate some rules or watever i cant remember. It has nothing to do with romulans, klingons, treatys or watever. Now, if you tell me that after the genuine saga, when STO came to life things changed, of course, maybe. But that is not enough reason to give stafleet a battle cloak. Not by far.
Its like saying a policeman is corrupt and they can steal, kill and watever. Of course they can, but they are police officers, they are not supossed to.
There was the incident with the Phased Cloak with the Pegasus and the incident in the Path to 2409 for Star Trek Online which are both incidents where certain groups of Starfleet Officers created cloaking technology against the treaties that the Federation has signed. From the Path to 2409 Volume 16 Chapter 1 and 2,
Tragedy struck for Starfleet on Stardate 72487.91, when the U.S.S. Kelso was lost with all hands.
The Kelso was supposed to be on a routine mission to study the long-term effects of the Hobus supernova on star systems in the Devron Sector when it was destroyed. Initial reports indicated that the Kelso could have come under attack. However, when the remains of the vessel were recovered by the U.S.S. April, it was found that a coolant leak caused by an experimental cloaking device onboard the Kelso caused plasma to vent from the ship. The plasma reacted with ionizing radiation present in the area, causing the explosion which destroyed the Kelso.
After careful consideration, Captain Barax Wenn of the April revealed the cause of the Kelso's destruction to the captains of the Romulan ships assisting in the search for the vessel. In response, Praetor Taris lodged an immediate complaint with the Federation Council, and, as a "gesture of good faith," informed the Klingon Empire of the details of the Kelso's destruction as well.
Starfleet Security admitted that the U.S.S. Kelso was testing a Federation cloaking device. The Romulans then ejected all Federation diplomats and ships from their space in protest, and Chancellor J'mpok recalled the Klingon ambassador to the Federation back to Qo'noS for "strategic discussions." 5
After the revelation that Starfleet was testing a cloaking device, tensions between the Federation, Romulans and Klingons were at their highest point since the destruction of the Romulan homeworld in 2387. After a full inquiry, six members of Starfleet Security were court-martialed.
It took three months for Federation President Aennik Okeg to convince the Romulans and the Klingons to send representatives to a summit to discuss the situation. When the meeting finally began, Okeg made the Federation's position clear. He apologized for the experiments into cloaking technology, and said that he had signed an executive order banning all research into or creation of Federation cloaking technology.
"The narrow legal view may be that the Treaty of Algeron ended when Romulus was destroyed," Okeg said. "The Romulan Star Empire we knew is gone, and you are a new people. What has not changed is the Federation's commitment to peace."
This is official STO canon so I didn't make anything up.
I think it's time for the "Standard Cloak" to just go away. It's ridiculous that Klingon Battlecruisers can't do what, say, the Ha'nom of all ships can do.
And yes, that means the Fed "cloak console" gets an upgrade, too. Let's level the playing field a little.
There was the incident with the Phased Cloak with the Pegasus and the incident in the Path to 2409 for Star Trek Online which are both incidents where certain groups of Starfleet Officers created cloaking technology against the treaties that the Federation has signed. From the Path to 2409 Volume 16 Chapter 1 and 2,
This is official STO canon so I didn't make anything up.
In fact, was that episode i was talking about. In that episode, Picard (i think it was Picard or maybe Riker) told the reasons Starfleet dont use cloaks.
And again, Federation can use cloak, they just wont. To be able to use it , doesnt mean they are going to.
The cloak (romulan cloaking device) for the defiant is pointless you have to lose a consol slot and its not even a battlecloak.
Don't see why you would even use it.
Officers breaking the Rules are not a good arguement for the Federation to have Cloaking and a again look at all what Federation already gets . Federation in a Whole agreed to not use Cloaking past the agreed Defiant .
Battle Cloak never has been used by Federation period .
I think they have enough .
Not sure how you came to that conclusion based on what I said. If anything that is evidence against the Federation having cloaks which is what I support.
The cloak (romulan cloaking device) for the defiant is pointless you have to lose a consol slot and its not even a battlecloak.
Don't see why you would even use it.
Instead of hiding, ambushing, then running away to hide again I would rather have something That makes me the biggest target in the universe.
As a side bonus It should raise my defense by an order of magnitude for its duration.
It should also force targeting on me for any one within a certain radius, thus making it harder for even players to target the squishier ships around me.
Sounds more federation-y
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i'm Sure That This Has Been Discussed Before, But Now I Think It Is Only Logical That Starfleet Has Some Ships That Have Battle Cloak. It Seems Preposterous To Think, With The Alliance Of The Romulan Republic, And The Aid The Federation Is Rendering, And The Basic Collapse Of The Romulan Star Empire As A Serious Threat To The Federation, That They Still Don't, Or Can't Have Obtained A Battle Cloaking Device To Install Into At Least One Modern Escort Design. Hell If You Have To For Whatever Reason, Make The Ship Require Singularity Cores, But Seeing As How They Have Cloaks Running Off Matter/antimatter Warp Cores, And The Kdf Have Battle Cloaks On Bop's Using Same Reactor Technology, I Don't See Where The Issue Comes In.
If This Is About Fairness, Or Balance, Then Give The Romulans A Ship With Regular Cloak That Gets Some Native Bonus That Federation Ships Get(what Would That Be?) And Give The Kdf Something Too, But I'm Just Trying To State That In This Era Of The Star Trek Galaxy, And With The State Of The Federation/romulan Star Empire, And The Threats Coming In From Every Angle, I Don't Understand Why They Wouldn't Have A Ship With Battle Cloak.
Romulans = Protoss ..........The nomadic and high tech guys
Federation = Terran .......... The human good guys
Klingons = Zerg .......... The barbaric bad guys
Iconians = Xel'naga ..........The ancient guys
Solanae = Hybrids .......... The powerful servant guys
Seems to me alternative would be that every federation ship gets theTachyon Detection Field inbuilt to counter cloak, any ship detected by it, gets a resistance debuff similar to alpha strike.
I just have to agree with the OP. What with all the power creep, some of the older ships really need some more... zaz, zing, and pop to 'em. On that note, and on account of having suffered through at least two ships which make it slightly less appealing, my vote goes for giving the much maligned Vesta-class battle cloak.
If you feel Keel'el's effect is well designed, please, for your own safety, be very careful around shallow pools of water.
Instead of hiding, ambushing, then running away to hide again I would rather have something That makes me the biggest target in the universe.
As a side bonus It should raise my defense by an order of magnitude for its duration.
It should also force targeting on me for any one within a certain radius, thus making it harder for even players to target the squishier ships around me.
Sounds more federation-y
Exactly. This I could go with. I've been saying this for a long long time - if all the incompetent Fed. pilots really need some kind of a boost to even play this shockingly easy game, the least they could do is ask for a buff that falls within the Federation spirit like you mentioned here.
I don't like my Feds to have cloaks, I want my gameplay on Fed to at least resemble what I watched and grew to love in the numerous shows and movies.
Seriously, everyone complaining for Fed. cloak - you'll get much more support for any buff if you stop asking for other factions' things and decide to complain for something unique and in the spirit of Starfleet and the Federation.
Personally, I'll never suport and always be valianty against the idea of giving Feds cloaking tech. I would however be ok and support some ideas that enhance Fed ships cloak detecting abilities as a counter and a unique thing for Fed ships.
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Compared to other escorts in a non decloak alpha? Yes, it's weaker. The Fleet Patrol Escort is a better ship.
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
LOL, you're saying the Defiant is inferior in even a non-decloak alpha strike? LOLOLOLOL!!!
You are doing something terribly, terribly, terribly wrong if you have that issue with the Defiant. The Defiant is as stacked as you can get with an Escort for firepower, tac ability, tac consoles (4 for Retrofit, 5 for Fleet). It has as much TAC BOFF seating you need to cram whatever you can into the ship. In terms of Escorts, only the Andorian Escort can mount more forward firepower than the Defiant, but it does not have the luxury of a cloak.
A Fleet Defiant doing an alpha strike, most esp. if using a decloaking alpha strike, is about as punishing as anything else in the game. Few ships can match or exceed the Defiant's attack or decloaking strikes (hint: Overpowered Warbirds).
The FPE is more survivable than the Fleet Defiant. But it will never have the tactical advantage of cloaks, the luxury of initiating contact on your terms due to cloaks, and it does not have the 5 TAC Consoles of the Defiant. That's the price the more rounded Escorts pay. They will do well, no doubt, but in sheer firepower for Fed ships, nothing is the same as the Fleet Defiant. Only the Andorian Escorts can challenge that. Not even the 5 TAC Console Fleet MVAE has the same level of sheer firepower.
Whee! *going around and around in circles*
Edit: Also, the B'rel & the Hegh'ta & Fleet Norgh have 3 Tac consoles.
The Fleet T'varo might have 4 Tac consoles, and the Fleet Ar'kif might have 5, but Roms R OP & whatever.
IKS Korrasami (Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit T5-U)
¿? And again. Starfleet never used cloak. And never will. Because they cant. Their directives forbid it. It has nothing to do with any trety. Stop inventing things lol. In TNG it was said A LOT of times, Starfleet never used cloak cuz that will violate some rules or watever i cant remember. It has nothing to do with romulans, klingons, treatys or watever. Now, if you tell me that after the genuine saga, when STO came to life things changed, of course, maybe. But that is not enough reason to give stafleet a battle cloak. Not by far.
Its like saying a policeman is corrupt and they can steal, kill and watever. Of course they can, but they are police officers, they are not supossed to.
for me if it not in form of film it doesn't exist for me sorry
So Q, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise don't exist?
I really like the T'varo as a Tac bomber, but the B'rel can still do things that the T'varo can't. To me, the B'rel is the most fun ship in the game, even if it blows up fast & the power creep has gone way beyond the B'rel. There's really no comparison between the T'varo and B'rel there unless you're forcing a pure Tac layout on the B'rel, which is where the T'varo will always beat the B'rel.
The T'varo comes with a Commander Tac & Ensign Tac. There is also the 2 Lieutenant slots for Eng & Sci, plus the Lt.Com Universal.
The T'varo's Ensign Tac (not a Lieutenant), combined with the Lt.Com Universal (i.e. not the Sci slot) means you are really forced to cut down your swing to either go more Tac (so your only Sci is a Lieutenant) or get the Grav Well 1 (so your backup Tac is Ensign). IMO, neither choice is that great.
In any case, I can pile more of what I want on a B'rel, whereas the T'varo seems more of a gimmick ship compared to real warbirds like the Valdore/Mogai or Ar'kif.
(Whether or not the Mogai or Ar'kif (or even the Ha'feh) is OP compared to the Defiant is another discussion, but I don't see why the Defiant should be handed something that even the Qin can't get... and the awkward-turning Qin is definitely inferior to the Defiant, even with the Defiant's cloak console.)
IKS Korrasami (Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit T5-U)
There was the incident with the Phased Cloak with the Pegasus and the incident in the Path to 2409 for Star Trek Online which are both incidents where certain groups of Starfleet Officers created cloaking technology against the treaties that the Federation has signed. From the Path to 2409 Volume 16 Chapter 1 and 2,
This is official STO canon so I didn't make anything up.
And yes, that means the Fed "cloak console" gets an upgrade, too. Let's level the playing field a little.
In fact, was that episode i was talking about. In that episode, Picard (i think it was Picard or maybe Riker) told the reasons Starfleet dont use cloaks.
And again, Federation can use cloak, they just wont. To be able to use it , doesnt mean they are going to.
Don't see why you would even use it.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion based on what I said. If anything that is evidence against the Federation having cloaks which is what I support.
Instead of hiding, ambushing, then running away to hide again I would rather have something That makes me the biggest target in the universe.
As a side bonus It should raise my defense by an order of magnitude for its duration.
It should also force targeting on me for any one within a certain radius, thus making it harder for even players to target the squishier ships around me.
Sounds more federation-y
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Here Here!!!
Federation = Terran .......... The human good guys
Klingons = Zerg .......... The barbaric bad guys
Iconians = Xel'naga ..........The ancient guys
Solanae = Hybrids .......... The powerful servant guys
Which game are we playing here?
Lol...
/cough
Ahem...
Give the Aquarius a Battle Cloak.
R.I.P
There was somebody that actually asked for the Barrier Field in the AA thread.
Exactly. This I could go with. I've been saying this for a long long time - if all the incompetent Fed. pilots really need some kind of a boost to even play this shockingly easy game, the least they could do is ask for a buff that falls within the Federation spirit like you mentioned here.
I don't like my Feds to have cloaks, I want my gameplay on Fed to at least resemble what I watched and grew to love in the numerous shows and movies.
Seriously, everyone complaining for Fed. cloak - you'll get much more support for any buff if you stop asking for other factions' things and decide to complain for something unique and in the spirit of Starfleet and the Federation.
Personally, I'll never suport and always be valianty against the idea of giving Feds cloaking tech. I would however be ok and support some ideas that enhance Fed ships cloak detecting abilities as a counter and a unique thing for Fed ships.
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Would happen if they implemented something as TRIBBLE as this.
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But you'd have to give them another Console to replace the Console they've lost that they paid for...so what would that be?