The thing with a new BoP is that they cant give one to Starfleet first unless they get BoPs too. Ditto to Raptors, really, since Raptor cloak is problematic/evul.
T5 (2000/2500 Zen) Heavy Raptor Carrier...a KDF boat along the lines of the HEC and Ar'Kif. With either a Fleet version as well or the Zen version being the equivalent of a Fleet boat.
There's currently no T5 Zen Raptor and there's no "Escort Carrier" along the lines of what the Feds and Roms have. Two birds...one stone.
T5 (2000/2500 Zen) Heavy Raptor Carrier...a KDF boat along the lines of the HEC and Ar'Kif. With either a Fleet version as well or the Zen version being the equivalent of a Fleet boat.
There's currently no T5 Zen Raptor and there's no "Escort Carrier" along the lines of what the Feds and Roms have. Two birds...one stone.
This is exactly what the KDF doesn't need. What we ACTUALLY need:
Fleet Guramba
K'Vort.
This is exactly what the KDF doesn't need. What we ACTUALLY need:
Fleet Guramba
K'Vort.
So...we don't need an obviously missing ship on multiple accounts? Curious...
Lack of Fleet vessels is obvious, obviously. K'Vort...can't even get folks to agree on what it should be, so were it ever added - at 2/3rd of the folks would be disappointed if not more.
edit: Even without the HRC angle, there's still the missing Zen Raptor. Which could feed into the 5x Tac Fleet Raptor...and the funny part, it could be called a K'Vort - since nobody knows what the K'Vort was...referred to by multiple ship types, one could split the difference between a Battle Cruiser and Raider to go with a Raptor.
edit2: Or it could even do a Raptor 3pack, skipping the need for the Fleet version to get the 5x Tac. Personally, I'd prefer this - because I personally see no need for a 5x Tac boat.
So...we don't need an obviously missing ship on multiple accounts? Curious...
It's not an "obviously missing" ship, simply a niche the KDF has filled with FDCs instead. While we clearly DO need a new Escort/Raptor, given that there are NONE available for purchase, that it needs to be an Escort *Carrier* is far from an obvious leap.
edit: Even without the HRC angle, there's still the missing Zen Raptor. Which could feed into the 5x Tac Fleet Raptor...and the funny part, it could be called a K'Vort - since nobody knows what the K'Vort was...referred to by multiple ship types, one could split the difference between a Battle Cruiser and Raider to go with a Raptor.
a C-store raptor is really a must. though i'd like to point out that the BOP line needs a complete revamp. they used to be special because of battlecloak, but now there's an entire faction based around it. now they have nothing really exceptional about them, and to pay for this overly common failing, they also have horrible console layout, tiny hull strength,and quite frankly the only thing that makes them appealing is their universal layout, which at this point could really use the proper 5 Boffs thing rather then this 4 Boff TRIBBLE. i dont care if i'm only gaining a singular ensign, its better then nothing. its a well deserved balance to this ship since all its other unique qualities have been stolen and made better by everything else.
while science ships would be kinda cool for the KDF, i'm almost more interested in extending their carrier line. klinks used to be the only ones with carriers, now everyone and their escort has a carrier slot. i think its time for the KDF to receive the first 3 hanger ship.
on a slight side note, since cryptic has always tried to claim that selling ships to the KDF isnt as profitable, i wish there was a way to compare mogh sales to say the avenger or arkif (i think thats the name of that romulan thing.)
It's not an "obviously missing" ship, simply a niche the KDF has filled with FDCs instead. While we clearly DO need a new Escort/Raptor, given that there are NONE available for purchase, that it needs to be an Escort *Carrier* is far from an obvious leap.
Like I said, it could be the K'Vort.
A shame that the K'vort will never see the light of day in STO, because Lead Designer Captain Geko says he will never add it into the game... his exact words was ''the K'vort? is that a enlarged B'rel... I will never add a enlarged B'rel in this game!'' - STO pod cast
on a slight side note, since cryptic has always tried to claim that selling ships to the KDF isnt as profitable, i wish there was a way to compare mogh sales to say the avenger or arkif (i think thats the name of that romulan thing.)
of course they tried to spread their propaganda claim, they have not even try to sell KDF ships, which they only came out with 2 Tier 5 C-Store KDF ships since the game went F2P while the Feds came out with Fleets of ships and the Sub-faction Romulan puppets which too have more Tier 5 ships than the KDF C-store Tier 5 line.
But it's safe to say that the Mogh no doubt outsold the Ar'Kif on the C-store.
a C-store raptor is really a must. though i'd like to point out that the BOP line needs a complete revamp. they used to be special because of battlecloak, but now there's an entire faction based around it. now they have nothing really exceptional about them, and to pay for this overly common failing, they also have horrible console layout, tiny hull strength,and quite frankly the only thing that makes them appealing is their universal layout, which at this point could really use the proper 5 Boffs thing rather then this 4 Boff TRIBBLE. i dont care if i'm only gaining a singular ensign, its better then nothing. its a well deserved balance to this ship since all its other unique qualities have been stolen and made better by everything else.
while science ships would be kinda cool for the KDF, i'm almost more interested in extending their carrier line. klinks used to be the only ones with carriers, now everyone and their escort has a carrier slot. i think its time for the KDF to receive the first 3 hanger ship.
on a slight side note, since cryptic has always tried to claim that selling ships to the KDF isnt as profitable, i wish there was a way to compare mogh sales to say the avenger or arkif (i think thats the name of that romulan thing.)
Id personally would be lucky with any "K'Vort".... But my suggestion would be kind of a "Raider-Cruiser"....
Battle cloak, little lower turn rate compared to other raiders (but still more then cruisers), more hull and shields compared to other raiders (still less then cruiser, more en par with escorts), a fixed Eng commander slot, the rest as usual universal, flanking and... whatever is needed to balance it....
A shame that the K'vort will never see the light of day in STO, because Lead Designer Captain Geko says he will never add it into the game... his exact words was ''the K'vort? is that a enlarged B'rel... I will never add a enlarged B'rel in this game!'' - STO pod cast
Actually, canonically, both ships are literally IDENTICAL.
Its simple: the ONLY time a Bird of prey was identified as "B'Rel" (Rascals) is stock footage from the only time a ship was identified as "K'Vort" (Yesterdays Enterprise).
The fun part: Both were BIG variants of the BoP.
The only "small" Bird of Prey that ever got a type designation was the duras sisters "D12".
I do not think we will see any unique T5 ships merely because the Klingons don't ***** and moan and start a new thread every day demanding a new ship like another faction that shall not be named. :P
I swear every time I log on the forums there are 2-3 new threads in said factions ship yard section either wanting ANOTHER update or ANOTHER new ship. :rolleyes:
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A shame that the K'vort will never see the light of day in STO, because Lead Designer Captain Geko says he will never add it into the game... his exact words was ''the K'vort? is that a enlarged B'rel... I will never add a enlarged B'rel in this game!'' - STO pod cast
well, i guess by that logic we need to get rid of the d'ridthau Romulan warbird. as it's basically a giant ar'kala.
expected reply: but theres differences between the two visually, they arent exactly the same!
my immediate retort: then make the K'vort look slightly more snazzy. give it longer wings in scale to the body, make the cannons more impressive, give it costume variants so people can have either a giant brel if they choose, or a completely unique to them ship. the klingons are referenced to have a massive fleet of ships, not a small smattering of vessels. make something up, get creative, and for the love of Kaless, make it unique. dont give it a copy of a fed build you release within a month of the same release. play of the benefits of the KDF, make it's cloak scary, give it a built in ability, have at least 2/3rds the crew be universal Boffs.
Cryptic has to understand, the best way to increase money is not to give feds what they want, but to expose them to the KDF they already have. give the KDF nice things, you'll please the player base that has felt neglected, and refuses to buy the feddy stuff, and in the process, with more cool toys released to the KDF, the more feds will make a KDF to investigate and find they like it. INVEST and you shall receive.
The only "other" mention is that a display in DS9 states "K'vort" for the ship Worf was commanding when he went missing (And Ezri tracked him down), but we never saw the ship. It is however the only "proof" for the K'Vort existing in the "main" timeline.
Every other bird of prey (at least in the TNG era... not sure about the "early bop" from enterprise... was either referenced just as "bird of prey" or "Cruiser" or "Klingon cruiser" or "Klingon ship" or just "Ship".
Fleet Guramba Destroyer, plz yes I want one as soon as possible. THX
Maybe a bit more tough(1.0 shields, more hull), with maybe the ensign station as a Universal or something like that(both Lt. being Universal would be fine with me even without an ensign station). It really would be ideal for this to get the extra tac console, and give it a new cool looking skin color with glowing highlights!
I recall there's been a Klingon Awareness Week sometime in April in the past years. Such event would be awesome if Cryptic did something as well with it and released at least some of these ships.
The only "other" mention is that a display in DS9 states "K'vort" for the ship Worf was commanding when he went missing (And Ezri tracked him down), but we never saw the ship. It is however the only "proof" for the K'Vort existing in the "main" timeline.
Every other bird of prey (at least in the TNG era... not sure about the "early bop" from enterprise... was either referenced just as "bird of prey" or "Cruiser" or "Klingon cruiser" or "Klingon ship" or just "Ship".
Yeah.I know what you mean now as I went to check it after your other post.
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At this point, we might as well ask for 'Explorers' on the KDF side, since Cryptic seems to miss the point of the Federation by a solar system and they're hell-bent on turning Starfleet into the Terran Empire.
The Klingons can at least take over the exploration, right?
At this point, we might as well ask for 'Explorers' on the KDF side, since Cryptic seems to miss the point of the Federation by a solar system and they're hell-bent on turning Starfleet into the Terran Empire.
The Klingons can at least take over the exploration, right?
I wouldn't mind more sci ships on the KDF side.
Still, at this point I wouldn't mind anything that isn't a rehash of what FEDs are getting (like in Bortasqu or Mogh's case).
The list of Fleet ships that could be added is long, yet the only ship we've been hearing about from Geko is the Fleet Guramba, even though he keeps talking about it for over a year now and still didn't do a thing to bring it to the game. And even if he eventually does, I expect it to be a single KDF addition, after which they'll continue releasing more FED stuff.
Why they don't improve on existing models is beyond me, especially the iconic ships for all factions. If the developers would take the time to improve the appearances and modification possibilities for existing ships instead of creating new "we made this thing up" designs, they'd really create enthusiasm.
Thoughts: We all know that the Kar'fi is more of a DPS Sci Carrier on KDF side, so i think the K'Norr Escort should be mostly a Tac and Sci based ship on both Consoles and Boff's Stations, it's too should use the Phase Shift console from the Kar'Fi Carrier like the Defiant, Avenger and the Galaxy-X can use the same cloaking device console, it's should have a customizable option for players to change wing 1 and wing 2 options to make them even or leave em with with the uneven lock they already have
*cough* And a 2-piece set bonus for equipping both the TBD K'Norr (not the maker of dried soups) Ecort console and the Phase Shift console from the Kar'Fi.
Actually, how about 2-piece console set bonuses for all of your VA/original versions too? And Fleet versions of all of the VA ships (with the appropriate FSM discount) as well? Hey, if we're asking for things, let's ask for all of what we want and we might get part of it.
I'd still love to see them fill in the Tac and Sci 3-packs for the KDF, even if they covered both in a BoP 3-pack. The KDF is sorely lacking in 10-console C-Store options... It's almost as if they figure the diehards willing to stick with the KDF's extremely long ship development cycle would be a great market in which to sell Fleet Ship Modules (with no C-Store ownership discount for most Fleet ships)...
Maybe. Not sure if I'm giving too much or too little credit with that particular theory. :P
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Why they don't improve on existing models is beyond me, especially the iconic ships for all factions. If the developers would take the time to improve the appearances and modification possibilities for existing ships instead of creating new "we made this thing up" designs, they'd really create enthusiasm.
The KDF desperately needs to be brought out of the 24th century.
Redesigned ESD, new skins, fleet dreadnought, the patrol escort. Proof the KDF gets pissed on.
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There's currently no T5 Zen Raptor and there's no "Escort Carrier" along the lines of what the Feds and Roms have. Two birds...one stone.
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Fleet Guramba
K'Vort.
So...we don't need an obviously missing ship on multiple accounts? Curious...
Lack of Fleet vessels is obvious, obviously. K'Vort...can't even get folks to agree on what it should be, so were it ever added - at 2/3rd of the folks would be disappointed if not more.
edit: Even without the HRC angle, there's still the missing Zen Raptor. Which could feed into the 5x Tac Fleet Raptor...and the funny part, it could be called a K'Vort - since nobody knows what the K'Vort was...referred to by multiple ship types, one could split the difference between a Battle Cruiser and Raider to go with a Raptor.
edit2: Or it could even do a Raptor 3pack, skipping the need for the Fleet version to get the 5x Tac. Personally, I'd prefer this - because I personally see no need for a 5x Tac boat.
Other than a 5 tac console escort, tho, the KDF ship line up is rather outstanding in its limited state...
Every time I see a Kar'Fi still run to my KDF for half a day or so, thinking I might actually be able to enjoy playing my tac this time...
That is, compared to Feds... Romulans are just... Yeah... Join the club, red team... blue team feels the pain as well...
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Like I said, it could be the K'Vort.
while science ships would be kinda cool for the KDF, i'm almost more interested in extending their carrier line. klinks used to be the only ones with carriers, now everyone and their escort has a carrier slot. i think its time for the KDF to receive the first 3 hanger ship.
on a slight side note, since cryptic has always tried to claim that selling ships to the KDF isnt as profitable, i wish there was a way to compare mogh sales to say the avenger or arkif (i think thats the name of that romulan thing.)
This. Seriously, wtf is going on with the Fleet Guramba??
I think its time already... :mad:
A shame that the K'vort will never see the light of day in STO, because Lead Designer Captain Geko says he will never add it into the game... his exact words was ''the K'vort? is that a enlarged B'rel... I will never add a enlarged B'rel in this game!'' - STO pod cast
of course they tried to spread their propaganda claim, they have not even try to sell KDF ships, which they only came out with 2 Tier 5 C-Store KDF ships since the game went F2P while the Feds came out with Fleets of ships and the Sub-faction Romulan puppets which too have more Tier 5 ships than the KDF C-store Tier 5 line.
But it's safe to say that the Mogh no doubt outsold the Ar'Kif on the C-store.
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Id personally would be lucky with any "K'Vort".... But my suggestion would be kind of a "Raider-Cruiser"....
Battle cloak, little lower turn rate compared to other raiders (but still more then cruisers), more hull and shields compared to other raiders (still less then cruiser, more en par with escorts), a fixed Eng commander slot, the rest as usual universal, flanking and... whatever is needed to balance it....
My sympathy for geko just dropped to zero...
Actually, canonically, both ships are literally IDENTICAL.
Its simple: the ONLY time a Bird of prey was identified as "B'Rel" (Rascals) is stock footage from the only time a ship was identified as "K'Vort" (Yesterdays Enterprise).
The fun part: Both were BIG variants of the BoP.
The only "small" Bird of Prey that ever got a type designation was the duras sisters "D12".
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I swear every time I log on the forums there are 2-3 new threads in said factions ship yard section either wanting ANOTHER update or ANOTHER new ship. :rolleyes:
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well, i guess by that logic we need to get rid of the d'ridthau Romulan warbird. as it's basically a giant ar'kala.
expected reply: but theres differences between the two visually, they arent exactly the same!
my immediate retort: then make the K'vort look slightly more snazzy. give it longer wings in scale to the body, make the cannons more impressive, give it costume variants so people can have either a giant brel if they choose, or a completely unique to them ship. the klingons are referenced to have a massive fleet of ships, not a small smattering of vessels. make something up, get creative, and for the love of Kaless, make it unique. dont give it a copy of a fed build you release within a month of the same release. play of the benefits of the KDF, make it's cloak scary, give it a built in ability, have at least 2/3rds the crew be universal Boffs.
Cryptic has to understand, the best way to increase money is not to give feds what they want, but to expose them to the KDF they already have. give the KDF nice things, you'll please the player base that has felt neglected, and refuses to buy the feddy stuff, and in the process, with more cool toys released to the KDF, the more feds will make a KDF to investigate and find they like it. INVEST and you shall receive.
On a side note, the T2 Qaw'Dun BOP really needs to be in endgame. Probably as an alternate skin for the Fleet Norgh. Or maybe for the ugly Hoh'sus.
In chronological order:
K'Vort: Yesterdays Enterprise (TNG)
B'Rel : Rascals (TNG) <---stock footage from yesterdays enterprise
D12 : Generations (movie)
The only "other" mention is that a display in DS9 states "K'vort" for the ship Worf was commanding when he went missing (And Ezri tracked him down), but we never saw the ship. It is however the only "proof" for the K'Vort existing in the "main" timeline.
Every other bird of prey (at least in the TNG era... not sure about the "early bop" from enterprise... was either referenced just as "bird of prey" or "Cruiser" or "Klingon cruiser" or "Klingon ship" or just "Ship".
Maybe a bit more tough(1.0 shields, more hull), with maybe the ensign station as a Universal or something like that(both Lt. being Universal would be fine with me even without an ensign station). It really would be ideal for this to get the extra tac console, and give it a new cool looking skin color with glowing highlights!
I recall there's been a Klingon Awareness Week sometime in April in the past years. Such event would be awesome if Cryptic did something as well with it and released at least some of these ships.
Yeah.I know what you mean now as I went to check it after your other post.
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For FEDs, of course...
*sigh*
Another ship I won't buy, never cared much for the Patrol Escort's aestetics.
Were you expecting something else? :rolleyes:
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
At this point, we might as well ask for 'Explorers' on the KDF side, since Cryptic seems to miss the point of the Federation by a solar system and they're hell-bent on turning Starfleet into the Terran Empire.
The Klingons can at least take over the exploration, right?
Still, at this point I wouldn't mind anything that isn't a rehash of what FEDs are getting (like in Bortasqu or Mogh's case).
The list of Fleet ships that could be added is long, yet the only ship we've been hearing about from Geko is the Fleet Guramba, even though he keeps talking about it for over a year now and still didn't do a thing to bring it to the game. And even if he eventually does, I expect it to be a single KDF addition, after which they'll continue releasing more FED stuff.
*cough* And a 2-piece set bonus for equipping both the TBD K'Norr (not the maker of dried soups) Ecort console and the Phase Shift console from the Kar'Fi.
Actually, how about 2-piece console set bonuses for all of your VA/original versions too? And Fleet versions of all of the VA ships (with the appropriate FSM discount) as well? Hey, if we're asking for things, let's ask for all of what we want and we might get part of it.
I'd still love to see them fill in the Tac and Sci 3-packs for the KDF, even if they covered both in a BoP 3-pack. The KDF is sorely lacking in 10-console C-Store options... It's almost as if they figure the diehards willing to stick with the KDF's extremely long ship development cycle would be a great market in which to sell Fleet Ship Modules (with no C-Store ownership discount for most Fleet ships)...
Maybe. Not sure if I'm giving too much or too little credit with that particular theory. :P
The KDF desperately needs to be brought out of the 24th century.
Redesigned ESD, new skins, fleet dreadnought, the patrol escort. Proof the KDF gets pissed on.
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