yes, lets add another we feds need xxxx new ship because our current one sucks when we already have 3-4 times the choice as other factions and get all the attention from the devs.
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That nausicaan dreadnought looks gorgeous. I would fly that no problem.
I still think the KDF need a Andorian escort type raptor. I like the concept of ship specialization especially if you are going to fly with friends. And we have a nice battlecruiser lineup already. As to whether that should be a brand new art design or an existing one, I'm not sure. I like new, but if it meant that it never gets made I would use an older raptor model. Even if it was Kumari copy-pasta I would fly it. Especially if it was pure Z-store. My fleet is progressing slooooowly.
Ideally I would love a 5/2 weapon layout. 5tac/2sci/3eng consoles. CmdrTac/LtCmdrTac/LtEng/LtSci/EnsTac
So many things would be nice. Seems like they don't want me to buy ships. Oh well...
Mostly what the KDF lineup really needs is raptors (ones without the effing axis issue), destroyers, and science ships. Use Gorn, Nausicaan, Orion, and Lethean designs as desired. We absolutely do NOT need battlecruisers, we have plenty of those, especially in the Fleet stores. There's not a lot of room for improvement in the BoP class, aside from releasing a 4 sci console B'rel or a 5-fore weapon B'rel.
Mostly what the KDF lineup really needs is raptors (ones without the effing axis issue), destroyers, and science ships. Use Gorn, Nausicaan, Orion, and Lethean designs as desired. We absolutely do NOT need battlecruisers, we have plenty of those, especially in the Fleet stores. There's not a lot of room for improvement in the BoP class, aside from releasing a 4 sci console B'rel or a 5-fore weapon B'rel.
We need more battle cruisers and with hangars on them...
I'm thinking like a transformer from transformer movies that has 3 hangars and can turn from a shuttle to an escort to a battle cruiser and then into a kvort.
I'ld settle for any of the missing ones from here.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Mostly what the KDF lineup really needs is raptors (ones without the effing axis issue), destroyers, and science ships. Use Gorn, Nausicaan, Orion, and Lethean designs as desired. We absolutely do NOT need battlecruisers, we have plenty of those, especially in the Fleet stores. There's not a lot of room for improvement in the BoP class, aside from releasing a 4 sci console B'rel or a 5-fore weapon B'rel.
Yes nice to see someone else who has an issue with the Raptor pivot point. I don't fly them as I can't stand it. I tried the Mirror Qin the other week to see if I could ignore it, but I hated it with a passion and immediately went back to the Gurambla.
I'd like to see the D5 Science ship that I think Spoks suggested about a year ago, I'd also like to see some more escort type ships for the KDF, the lack of them is why I rolled a KDF Romulan tactical and leveling her through the rep.
I would also love to see the Orion Warbarge that ship is awesome. As a full carrier with Orion Corvette pets.
Plus some more non-Klingon designs, while Klingon designs rock, so does the Orion, Gorn and Naucassian designs and I'd love to see some Lethean and Ferasan designs show up.
Mostly what the KDF lineup really needs is raptors (ones without the effing axis issue), destroyers, and science ships. Use Gorn, Nausicaan, Orion, and Lethean designs as desired.
The KDF Raptor/Escort lineup is basically nonexistent, there's pretty much only two options, neither of them particularly appealing, given that they are just inferior imitations of their Fed equivalents, themselves inferior versions of the Romulan ones.
We absolutely do NOT need battlecruisers, we have plenty of those, especially in the Fleet stores.
Not quite true. There's only three serious ones, and maybe 4 actual distinct ones, the rest are just snowclones of the same one with minor variation: Their boff layouts are all pretty much the same. Only two of them can actually effectively use cannons, and one of those really needs pushing to do so. Consider: What's the difference between the Fleet K'tinga and the Fleet Neghvar? Boffwise, they're the same. You've got a few Uni slots on the Neghvar, but you're really limited in where you can put it if you want to run it effectively. You can run them as beamboats, and that's about it. Meanwhile, the Bort tends to run as a clone of one of the above, only clumsy. When you really look at it, the battlecruiser lineup is actually quite limited on account of all of the snowclones.
I still think the KDF need a Andorian escort type raptor. I like the concept of ship specialization especially if you are going to fly with friends. And we have a nice battlecruiser lineup already. As to whether that should be a brand new art design or an existing one, I'm not sure. I like new, but if it meant that it never gets made I would use an older raptor model. Even if it was Kumari copy-pasta I would fly it. Especially if it was pure Z-store. My fleet is progressing slooooowly.
Ideally I would love a 5/2 weapon layout. 5tac/2sci/3eng consoles. CmdrTac/LtCmdrTac/LtEng/LtSci/EnsTac
I think that little Nausicaan escort that exists as an NPC in the game would be perfect for such a specialized role. Especially considering the Nausicaan lore, it fits them perfectly.
I'ld settle for any of the missing ones from here.
Oh man, you're right. Why don't we start with something that already has basic models in game like these you linked?
Me personally - I'd by that Ferasan (Kzinti) ship yesterday. I really want one for my Ferasan. I think that one has the potential to be a KDF escort carrier type.
I'd also buy the Orion Bucaneer in a heartbeat.
Then there are the 3 dreads. They have an excellent opening for making a rather unique bundle of ships here - a KDF dreadnought 3-pack. Put the Balaur, Warbage and Ravager together in a bundle and make them lean towards a secondary role. The Ravager would be pure tactical punishment, the Balaur would slightly lean towards sciency gimmicks and the Warbage would be the engineering variant that comes with a single hangar bay.
If all the crying for dreadnoughts on this forum is any indication, those would sell like cupcakes.
Then the Gorn Zilant - I see an opportunity here. This could be the battlecruiser with a single hangar many people are discussing. Furthermore, I'd attach a special hangar to this one - a hangar that would be only able to use Gorn drones and not manned craft. And make several variations of Gorn drone pets for this one. The KDF is suposed to be the primary carrier/pet faction in STO, right? Let's expand the pets a bit like this.
Besides, the Gorn are amongst the most popular species in STO. Surely all the Gorn fans deserve and would love a ship like this.
Other than this what I'd personally want to see is the science D5, not because it was my idea but because I still feel the KDF doesn't have proper sicence options. I don't consider the Dyson abomination a KDF ship (sorry guys, I know some of you love your DSD) because to me it looks nothing like a Klingon ship. The basic design is apropriate and not bad looking, I even considered getting the pack myself, but then they made their ingenious decision to restrict faction specific hulls. Too much white, purple and neon for me to consider it a Klingon ship. A big part of what I love about Klingon ships is the way they look.
So yeah, a Klingon science ship would be nice. Or they could at least come to their senses and allow faction specific hulls on the Nov Class.
Then I'd also want a Ferasan escort-carrier, believe me I have no idea why, but having a Ferasan escort-carrier always seemed natural to me. Maybe it has something to do with the Caitians having carriers. *shrugs*
And a Fleet Hegh'ta! For the love of Kahless, a Fleet Heghta! Maybe even another new BoP.
I've also always loved the Su'Qob Raptor, so that is a nice looking candidate for a fleet variant.
P.S. Yeah, what has become of our Fleet Guramba!? And why no Fleet Dacoit, that's a sweet looking ship and I'm sure all the Orion players would apreciate it.
You know, I was just about to create a new thread titled "I'm bored with KDF ships, looking for build ideas", when I saw this thread.
But that's true. While FED have basically a Fleet variant for all their lower tier ships (aside from Exeter, Miranda, Oberth and D'Kyr afair), there's a ton of KDF ships that don't have a proper Fleet variant, even though they WERE promissed months ago by Geko.
Although KDF have some unique ship classes, like several Raiders, Carriers and Flight Deck Cruisers, I honestly seem to struggle with finding a build that's at least somewhat unique and won't just be a copy-paste of my FED characters.
KDF have no access to an escort-type ship with 5 tactical console slots, many of their Battlecruisers use mere Lt.Tac + Ens.Tac for whatever reason, and overall there are configurations that are simply missing, like a science ship with Lt.Cmdr.Tac boff slot (something similar to Fleet Nova on the FED side).
Where's my Fleet Guramba? Where's my Fleet Marauder? Fleet Draguas? Fleet Phalanx? Fleet Dacoit? Fleet Vandal? Fleet Hegh'ta? I also wouldn't mind seeing the Orion Dreadnought/Warbarge introduced as a playable ship (since FED have their Galaxy, and Roms have their Scimitar), as well as the Fek'Ihri Escort.
I mean, there are so many options and possibilities, yet Cryptic to this day keeps ignoring the KDF. And even when they do release a new ship it's basically a copy-paste of other faction's ship's stats (Bortas, Mogh, Dyson).
Cryptic wonders why so little people tend to stick with the KDF, yet they give us little to no reason to keep playing our KDF characters, while FED and ROM are given the most attention with everything (I mean, Romulans had more tailor customization options at their launch than KDF has after over four years...).
But I guess introducing more T5 endgame ships wouldn't be as profitable as forcing players to buy themselves all the "P2W" Lockbox/Lobi/Doffpack ships that seem to be the main focus for Cryptic now...
Cryptic wonders why so little people tend to stick with the KDF, yet they give us little to no reason to keep playing our KDF characters, while FED and ROM are given the most attention with everything (I mean, Romulans had more tailor customization options at their launch than KDF has after over four years...)
I agree, and I hate how since the Brotasqu' all KDF ships that have come are are just clones, or vise versa, Fed's getting clones of our ships as is the case with the Mogh. Yes the Avenger did come out first but only after the Mogh was delayed.
I suspect that they decided to do a Fed version (all it needed was the model) to try and recoup any losses they felt they would receive with the Mogh. Due to their short-slightness they loss an opportunity to make a good cash return on the KDF. As many bought the Avenger for their Fed characters and so didn't see the point in buying the Mogh as after all it has the same stats for the most part.
The issue with Cryptic is due to their under-development with the KDF they have time and time again lost the opportunity to turn a profit. If they had given the KDF the same attention and treatment as the Fed and Romulan factions there is no doubt in my mind that this game would be for the better.
While I have a very poor opinion of Cryptic, due to the sloppiness and lack of quality workmanship (bugs, bugs and more bugs that never get fixed, look at Defera's Borg Invasion) I still hope one day someone on their team will help to straighten them out and decided to actually bring the KDF up on par with the Federation in terms of ships, uniforms, missions and a relative bug-free environment. LoR was a start lets hope the future expansion I heard that is coming after season 9 might fix at least some of these issues.
Oh did I say I want a Warbarge as a full carrier with Orion corvette pets and be a tac/engineering hybrid rather than a engineering/science one? :P
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Well if we go by that logic they can't take any faction ideas on these forums seriously.
There's a thread about a Fed carrier with 3 hangars, one that the Defiant needs Runabouts as pets and 8 torpedo launchers, there's also one about the need to buff the Scimitar's suvivability...the list goes on.
And I'm going to give you the exact same suggestion, go watch ST again. ENT era BoP, you mean >THIS< ship? Take a nice look, her size is comparable if not smaller than the NX Class.
The NX Class is 225 meters in length, so that puts the ENT BoP in the range of 200-ish judging from visual comparison. The B'rel class size varies from 110 to 150 meters in size, so the ENT BoP is not much bigger.
It's actually a lot shorter than the NX. Please keep in mind that the BoP in that scene is only as long as the saucer. And of the 225 meters length, the saucer makes up roughly the first half.
The deck structure also gives us a clear hint at the ship's size:
if we're generous there are 6 decks in the forward section.
And the deck structure of the modern BoP as presented in the Hayne's Owner's Workshop Manual is 5 decks.
Also by comparison the 22nd century verision has a bigger head
I'm going to be a party pooper and say KDF doesn't need too many more ships. There are already more BOPs than people can keep up with, so other than skins I dont think we need many more layout options. We would be better off if Alien ships are kept faction-specific so that can be used for playable sub-faction assets someday (Gorn, Nausicaan, Orion, Fek'Ihri, as sub-factions).
The only hole we have is a light science ship. The Varanus and DSD provide destroyer-class science ships, and the Bortasqu Science provides a battleship-class option, but we dont have anything that can fill the role of a science escort counterpart to either the Nova or the Adv Escort or anything in that pocket.
I would also like to get a generic cloak module in a c-store ship, that can be used with the non-cloaking ships we already have.
Both of those could be combined into a single package, something like a science-oriented Raider, or reuse a model we already have like the Phalanx. I would pay for that right now.
I'm going to be a party pooper and say KDF doesn't need too many more ships. There are already more BOPs than people can keep up with, so other than skins I dont think we need many more layout options.
One can say that the Feds doesn't need too many more ships, there are more Escorts than people can keep up with... more than 10+ Tier 5 escort classes at Fleet Level's, compared to only 3 BoP's and 2 Raptor classes ... so the Fed Escort line outnumbered both the BoP and Raptor lines combined.
We would be better off if Alien ships are kept faction-specific so that can be used for playable sub-faction assets someday (Gorn, Nausicaan, Orion, Fek'Ihri, as sub-factions)
Realistically i found that to be flawed, those species u named out (except for the Fek'Ikri) are already on a Faction with they either got Annexed or Align to the Klingon Empire, plus their ships are already on the line up which Gorn, Nausicaan and Orions are playable for the KDF. so them being a sub-faction is unlikely.
Highly doubt the Fek'Ihri would even be playable as a Sub-faction, since they're most likely would be treated as NPC enemies such as the Collective Borg, Species 8472 (Unidine), Iconians, Elachi, Breen, etc.
The only Sub-faction i can see in the future are the Cardassians, and a future major faction the Dominion but that's thrown out of the window via Lock Box.
Capt Geko or Dstahl mentions they wanted to possibly add a Liberated Borg Sub-faction in the future.
Then the Gorn Zilant - I see an opportunity here. This could be the battlecruiser with a single hangar many people are discussing. Furthermore, I'd attach a special hangar to this one - a hangar that would be only able to use Gorn drones and not manned craft. And make several variations of Gorn drone pets for this one. The KDF is suposed to be the primary carrier/pet faction in STO, right? Let's expand the pets a bit like this.
Besides, the Gorn are amongst the most popular species in STO. Surely all the Gorn fans deserve and would love a ship like this.
Eff. Yes. A million times, yes!
As a screaming Gorn fan (although some of that screaming is at my Varanus), I would buy that in a heartbeat. And it's actually pretty close to what I has assumed would be a natural fit for a new KDF ship. And if both of us had the same idea of a Gorn drone-carrier, odds are that this thought has occurred to a lot of people. *Shrug* maybe even someone on the dev team, if we're lucky.
Some thought would have to be put into its BOff layout, though, to avoid stepping on the Marauder or Vo'quv's toes, since the ship being proposed here really is a superior "flight-deck cruiser," which would probably have Engineering and Science as its primary seating, not unlike the Vo'quv. (Or the Kamarag, for that matter. Though I don't think you can even get that ship anymore, so probably not a problem. :P)
I'm going to be a party pooper and say KDF doesn't need too many more ships.
Eh, you might be right in some regards, I don't know. Other people are going to be better qualified to talk about raptors, carriers, battlecruisers, etc. I have a tendency to ignore most of the KDF inventory that doesn't have enough science to let my character do her thing.
But in that department, the KDF is sorely lacking. The Kamarag and Kar'fi can each pull half-duty on science, I suppose, and the Vo'quv is... well, its own thing really *. But the fact of the matter is that there's only one real science vessel in the entire faction inventory (and that's the singularly underwhelming Varanus support vessel). So, yeah, the KDF kinda' does needs more ships. At least, they do if you're a crazy-person like me who wants to run a sci/sci.
... and no, I'm not counting bird-of-science builds as science vessels here.
--- *I am not talking smack about any of those ships, for the record. From what I've been told, the Vo'quv is an excellent team support vessel, and my experience with the Ambassador class on the Federation side tells me that the Kamarag isn't a bad ship either. But neither of those ships are really a science vessel, and only one of them has enough science powers to really put much focus into it. On paper, at least.
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The KDF do need a lot more ships as they lack science ships as stated above, true science ships. If they brought something out like the Vesta in the c-store I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
A lot of our ships have also massively fallen behind the power creap. Some Federation ships have as well but the difference between us and them is they have so many ships compared to our limited selection. Which is where the problem lies.
TBH like many out there the KDF is the only reason I have stayed in this game for so long, if it was only Federation or Federation and Romulans I would have left after only 6 months of playing. That is the key here, if a faction that has so many bugs, limited options and under-developed can keep such a loyal fan base thing of the turnover for profit for this company if they got off their TRIBBLE and actually developed and produced the KDF faction to be on equal footing. LoR was a nice start but it does need to continue otherwise all that work would have been for nothing.
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Personally, I'm glad we've strayed away from slapping hangars on tactical ships. That was dumb. Tacs don't need pets, and no pilot wants his landing bay in formation with him. It's just nonsensical gameplay and canon wise.
KDF has this great tradition of flight deck cruisers, and they still need a tactical t5 one. Stick your carrier love there.
Any new raptors need to be something to compete with the kumari. 5 foreward weapons.
Something sciency would be nice too, as would the fleet Guramba which is frankly, nothing short of overdue.
Slightly off topic, but I liked the idea of having other B'rels decloak and attack. Imagine having a device called "KDF Squadron" or something to that effect working like the pirate thing but you just have a few KDF vessels decloak for a period of time to do some damage like reinforcements have just come in.
As for BoPs, I'd be all over a K'Vort class. Pretty please Cryptic!
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While I see no reason to give BoPs hangars, the ships that were listed in themselves should certainly be available. Its a treausure trove of ships that we can't use. Cryptic does not need to make art assets or models for this, all they need to do is copy paste the ships and change stats.
My Gorn engineer would certainly appreciate a Tuatara
Got myself to tweak some builds a little bit. Went back from Fleet Mogh to Fleet Vor'cha, added a bit more crowd control powers to my science-ish Fleet Corsair, and got myself an X-Wing (Norgh) even though I'm not a fan of BoPs. Happy to be playing KDF once again.
Now when I've seen again how many great ship designs were ignored and didn't receive a Fleet version I'm really disappointed. Especially since there is so much that could be done with boff and console layout that KDF are still missing from their ships...
Yet who wants to bet the next ship is going to be either FED or ROM? Not counting the Lock Box/Lobi junk of course.
More Fleet ships and Tier 5 retrofits would probably be nice. The amount of choice currently is pretty low compared to the Federation, and even the Romulan options seem more interesting.
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Make it so, Cryptic. For crying out loud, the models are already there (and pretty ones at that, especially with the new Type-3 material) - just make up some decent stats and release those ships... So many possibilities of creating interesting designs, and you keep ignoring it all for almost two years now.
Not to mention, aside from Guramba and Marauder each of this ship would need to sell for 2000 Zen anyway. Per character! Why don't you want our money Cryptic? What's wrong with you?
Let's just face reality. The developers have decided that creating new content, and new races, is more profitable than finding a way to enhance the KDF. We rushed to make our romulan toons and buy romulan warbirds. Those warbirds are purposefully better than the previous similar ships within the Federation or KDF. They had a huge influx of money, and they got hooked. So, the few new ships that trickle out are going to the side with the most players, not the most frustrated and likely to plop down some cash to buy zen store ships. We said where is the love for the KDF, and they relented and gave the KDF the Mogh, but only after they gave the UFP the Avenger first. It's a fine ship. You see where the priorities are.
They need a throwaway ship to buy that has THE console for the KDF. Not a shield absorptive frequency generator, an overpowered heal console if there ever was one, but something that would make the Garumba, the B'Rel, Varanus, etc. all more powerful/ stronger/ something. The KDF used to be the only ones with a plasmonic leech, but it's obtainable by all factions. The romulans had to beg for alliances to remain a factor while rebuilding, and cryptic gives them some of the best ships and arguably the best console in the game.
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YES! Someone should suggest that on the "Defiant Retro sux pls fix" threads!
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That nausicaan dreadnought looks gorgeous. I would fly that no problem.
I still think the KDF need a Andorian escort type raptor. I like the concept of ship specialization especially if you are going to fly with friends. And we have a nice battlecruiser lineup already. As to whether that should be a brand new art design or an existing one, I'm not sure. I like new, but if it meant that it never gets made I would use an older raptor model. Even if it was Kumari copy-pasta I would fly it. Especially if it was pure Z-store. My fleet is progressing slooooowly.
Ideally I would love a 5/2 weapon layout. 5tac/2sci/3eng consoles. CmdrTac/LtCmdrTac/LtEng/LtSci/EnsTac
So many things would be nice. Seems like they don't want me to buy ships. Oh well...
We need more battle cruisers and with hangars on them...
I'm thinking like a transformer from transformer movies that has 3 hangars and can turn from a shuttle to an escort to a battle cruiser and then into a kvort.
+1 on fixing the bork'd turning.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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Fleet or deluxe C-store versions of any or all of these'd be a good start, as far as I'm concerned.
Yes nice to see someone else who has an issue with the Raptor pivot point. I don't fly them as I can't stand it. I tried the Mirror Qin the other week to see if I could ignore it, but I hated it with a passion and immediately went back to the Gurambla.
I'd like to see the D5 Science ship that I think Spoks suggested about a year ago, I'd also like to see some more escort type ships for the KDF, the lack of them is why I rolled a KDF Romulan tactical and leveling her through the rep.
I would also love to see the Orion Warbarge that ship is awesome. As a full carrier with Orion Corvette pets.
Plus some more non-Klingon designs, while Klingon designs rock, so does the Orion, Gorn and Naucassian designs and I'd love to see some Lethean and Ferasan designs show up.
Also the rest of the ships missing from here: http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/sto.gamepedia.com/1/12/NOG_Size_Chart.png
And WHERE'S MY FLEET GURAMBA?
Not quite true. There's only three serious ones, and maybe 4 actual distinct ones, the rest are just snowclones of the same one with minor variation: Their boff layouts are all pretty much the same. Only two of them can actually effectively use cannons, and one of those really needs pushing to do so. Consider: What's the difference between the Fleet K'tinga and the Fleet Neghvar? Boffwise, they're the same. You've got a few Uni slots on the Neghvar, but you're really limited in where you can put it if you want to run it effectively. You can run them as beamboats, and that's about it. Meanwhile, the Bort tends to run as a clone of one of the above, only clumsy. When you really look at it, the battlecruiser lineup is actually quite limited on account of all of the snowclones.
To this I say YAY! Bring on the Ravager!
I think that little Nausicaan escort that exists as an NPC in the game would be perfect for such a specialized role. Especially considering the Nausicaan lore, it fits them perfectly.
Yeah, I'm wondering just how much potential income they lost over the years from the red part of the game, due to simple neglect on their behalf.
Oh man, you're right. Why don't we start with something that already has basic models in game like these you linked?
Me personally - I'd by that Ferasan (Kzinti) ship yesterday. I really want one for my Ferasan. I think that one has the potential to be a KDF escort carrier type.
I'd also buy the Orion Bucaneer in a heartbeat.
Then there are the 3 dreads. They have an excellent opening for making a rather unique bundle of ships here - a KDF dreadnought 3-pack. Put the Balaur, Warbage and Ravager together in a bundle and make them lean towards a secondary role. The Ravager would be pure tactical punishment, the Balaur would slightly lean towards sciency gimmicks and the Warbage would be the engineering variant that comes with a single hangar bay.
If all the crying for dreadnoughts on this forum is any indication, those would sell like cupcakes.
Then the Gorn Zilant - I see an opportunity here. This could be the battlecruiser with a single hangar many people are discussing. Furthermore, I'd attach a special hangar to this one - a hangar that would be only able to use Gorn drones and not manned craft. And make several variations of Gorn drone pets for this one. The KDF is suposed to be the primary carrier/pet faction in STO, right? Let's expand the pets a bit like this.
Besides, the Gorn are amongst the most popular species in STO. Surely all the Gorn fans deserve and would love a ship like this.
Other than this what I'd personally want to see is the science D5, not because it was my idea but because I still feel the KDF doesn't have proper sicence options. I don't consider the Dyson abomination a KDF ship (sorry guys, I know some of you love your DSD) because to me it looks nothing like a Klingon ship. The basic design is apropriate and not bad looking, I even considered getting the pack myself, but then they made their ingenious decision to restrict faction specific hulls.
So yeah, a Klingon science ship would be nice. Or they could at least come to their senses and allow faction specific hulls on the Nov Class.
Then I'd also want a Ferasan escort-carrier, believe me I have no idea why, but having a Ferasan escort-carrier always seemed natural to me. Maybe it has something to do with the Caitians having carriers. *shrugs*
And a Fleet Hegh'ta! For the love of Kahless, a Fleet Heghta! Maybe even another new BoP.
I've also always loved the Su'Qob Raptor, so that is a nice looking candidate for a fleet variant.
P.S. Yeah, what has become of our Fleet Guramba!? And why no Fleet Dacoit, that's a sweet looking ship and I'm sure all the Orion players would apreciate it.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Zilant_Battleship
Of course if they were to make these ships playable the models do need to revamp and they do need multiple material options for em too ^_^
But that's true. While FED have basically a Fleet variant for all their lower tier ships (aside from Exeter, Miranda, Oberth and D'Kyr afair), there's a ton of KDF ships that don't have a proper Fleet variant, even though they WERE promissed months ago by Geko.
Although KDF have some unique ship classes, like several Raiders, Carriers and Flight Deck Cruisers, I honestly seem to struggle with finding a build that's at least somewhat unique and won't just be a copy-paste of my FED characters.
KDF have no access to an escort-type ship with 5 tactical console slots, many of their Battlecruisers use mere Lt.Tac + Ens.Tac for whatever reason, and overall there are configurations that are simply missing, like a science ship with Lt.Cmdr.Tac boff slot (something similar to Fleet Nova on the FED side).
Where's my Fleet Guramba? Where's my Fleet Marauder? Fleet Draguas? Fleet Phalanx? Fleet Dacoit? Fleet Vandal? Fleet Hegh'ta? I also wouldn't mind seeing the Orion Dreadnought/Warbarge introduced as a playable ship (since FED have their Galaxy, and Roms have their Scimitar), as well as the Fek'Ihri Escort.
I mean, there are so many options and possibilities, yet Cryptic to this day keeps ignoring the KDF. And even when they do release a new ship it's basically a copy-paste of other faction's ship's stats (Bortas, Mogh, Dyson).
Cryptic wonders why so little people tend to stick with the KDF, yet they give us little to no reason to keep playing our KDF characters, while FED and ROM are given the most attention with everything (I mean, Romulans had more tailor customization options at their launch than KDF has after over four years...).
But I guess introducing more T5 endgame ships wouldn't be as profitable as forcing players to buy themselves all the "P2W" Lockbox/Lobi/Doffpack ships that seem to be the main focus for Cryptic now...
I agree, and I hate how since the Brotasqu' all KDF ships that have come are are just clones, or vise versa, Fed's getting clones of our ships as is the case with the Mogh. Yes the Avenger did come out first but only after the Mogh was delayed.
I suspect that they decided to do a Fed version (all it needed was the model) to try and recoup any losses they felt they would receive with the Mogh. Due to their short-slightness they loss an opportunity to make a good cash return on the KDF. As many bought the Avenger for their Fed characters and so didn't see the point in buying the Mogh as after all it has the same stats for the most part.
The issue with Cryptic is due to their under-development with the KDF they have time and time again lost the opportunity to turn a profit. If they had given the KDF the same attention and treatment as the Fed and Romulan factions there is no doubt in my mind that this game would be for the better.
While I have a very poor opinion of Cryptic, due to the sloppiness and lack of quality workmanship (bugs, bugs and more bugs that never get fixed, look at Defera's Borg Invasion) I still hope one day someone on their team will help to straighten them out and decided to actually bring the KDF up on par with the Federation in terms of ships, uniforms, missions and a relative bug-free environment. LoR was a start lets hope the future expansion I heard that is coming after season 9 might fix at least some of these issues.
Oh did I say I want a Warbarge as a full carrier with Orion corvette pets and be a tac/engineering hybrid rather than a engineering/science one? :P
Well if we go by that logic they can't take any faction ideas on these forums seriously.
There's a thread about a Fed carrier with 3 hangars, one that the Defiant needs Runabouts as pets and 8 torpedo launchers, there's also one about the need to buff the Scimitar's suvivability...the list goes on.
It's actually a lot shorter than the NX. Please keep in mind that the BoP in that scene is only as long as the saucer. And of the 225 meters length, the saucer makes up roughly the first half.
The deck structure also gives us a clear hint at the ship's size:
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060909003919/memoryalpha/en/images/a/a2/Klingon_b-o-p_forward_torpedo%2C_Augments.jpg
if we're generous there are 6 decks in the forward section.
And the deck structure of the modern BoP as presented in the Hayne's Owner's Workshop Manual is 5 decks.
Also by comparison the 22nd century verision has a bigger head
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060910035357/memoryalpha/en/images/0/0f/Klingon_b-o-p,_msd,_Augments.jpg
than the 23rd century version
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/101/3/9/klingon_bird_of_prey_retro_b__rel_class_wallpaper_by_drzu-d4vrx59.jpg
so they're roughly the same size.
The only hole we have is a light science ship. The Varanus and DSD provide destroyer-class science ships, and the Bortasqu Science provides a battleship-class option, but we dont have anything that can fill the role of a science escort counterpart to either the Nova or the Adv Escort or anything in that pocket.
I would also like to get a generic cloak module in a c-store ship, that can be used with the non-cloaking ships we already have.
Both of those could be combined into a single package, something like a science-oriented Raider, or reuse a model we already have like the Phalanx. I would pay for that right now.
One can say that the Feds doesn't need too many more ships, there are more Escorts than people can keep up with... more than 10+ Tier 5 escort classes at Fleet Level's, compared to only 3 BoP's and 2 Raptor classes ... so the Fed Escort line outnumbered both the BoP and Raptor lines combined.
Realistically i found that to be flawed, those species u named out (except for the Fek'Ikri) are already on a Faction with they either got Annexed or Align to the Klingon Empire, plus their ships are already on the line up which Gorn, Nausicaan and Orions are playable for the KDF. so them being a sub-faction is unlikely.
Highly doubt the Fek'Ihri would even be playable as a Sub-faction, since they're most likely would be treated as NPC enemies such as the Collective Borg, Species 8472 (Unidine), Iconians, Elachi, Breen, etc.
The only Sub-faction i can see in the future are the Cardassians, and a future major faction the Dominion but that's thrown out of the window via Lock Box.
Capt Geko or Dstahl mentions they wanted to possibly add a Liberated Borg Sub-faction in the future.
As a screaming Gorn fan (although some of that screaming is at my Varanus), I would buy that in a heartbeat. And it's actually pretty close to what I has assumed would be a natural fit for a new KDF ship. And if both of us had the same idea of a Gorn drone-carrier, odds are that this thought has occurred to a lot of people. *Shrug* maybe even someone on the dev team, if we're lucky.
Some thought would have to be put into its BOff layout, though, to avoid stepping on the Marauder or Vo'quv's toes, since the ship being proposed here really is a superior "flight-deck cruiser," which would probably have Engineering and Science as its primary seating, not unlike the Vo'quv. (Or the Kamarag, for that matter. Though I don't think you can even get that ship anymore, so probably not a problem. :P)
Eh, you might be right in some regards, I don't know. Other people are going to be better qualified to talk about raptors, carriers, battlecruisers, etc. I have a tendency to ignore most of the KDF inventory that doesn't have enough science to let my character do her thing.
But in that department, the KDF is sorely lacking. The Kamarag and Kar'fi can each pull half-duty on science, I suppose, and the Vo'quv is... well, its own thing really *. But the fact of the matter is that there's only one real science vessel in the entire faction inventory (and that's the singularly underwhelming Varanus support vessel). So, yeah, the KDF kinda' does needs more ships. At least, they do if you're a crazy-person like me who wants to run a sci/sci.
... and no, I'm not counting bird-of-science builds as science vessels here.
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*I am not talking smack about any of those ships, for the record. From what I've been told, the Vo'quv is an excellent team support vessel, and my experience with the Ambassador class on the Federation side tells me that the Kamarag isn't a bad ship either. But neither of those ships are really a science vessel, and only one of them has enough science powers to really put much focus into it. On paper, at least.
-- Winston Churchill
A lot of our ships have also massively fallen behind the power creap. Some Federation ships have as well but the difference between us and them is they have so many ships compared to our limited selection. Which is where the problem lies.
TBH like many out there the KDF is the only reason I have stayed in this game for so long, if it was only Federation or Federation and Romulans I would have left after only 6 months of playing. That is the key here, if a faction that has so many bugs, limited options and under-developed can keep such a loyal fan base thing of the turnover for profit for this company if they got off their TRIBBLE and actually developed and produced the KDF faction to be on equal footing. LoR was a nice start but it does need to continue otherwise all that work would have been for nothing.
KDF has this great tradition of flight deck cruisers, and they still need a tactical t5 one. Stick your carrier love there.
Any new raptors need to be something to compete with the kumari. 5 foreward weapons.
Something sciency would be nice too, as would the fleet Guramba which is frankly, nothing short of overdue.
As for BoPs, I'd be all over a K'Vort class. Pretty please Cryptic!
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My Gorn engineer would certainly appreciate a Tuatara
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Got myself to tweak some builds a little bit. Went back from Fleet Mogh to Fleet Vor'cha, added a bit more crowd control powers to my science-ish Fleet Corsair, and got myself an X-Wing (Norgh) even though I'm not a fan of BoPs. Happy to be playing KDF once again.
Now when I've seen again how many great ship designs were ignored and didn't receive a Fleet version I'm really disappointed. Especially since there is so much that could be done with boff and console layout that KDF are still missing from their ships...
Yet who wants to bet the next ship is going to be either FED or ROM? Not counting the Lock Box/Lobi junk of course.
Fleet Draguas Support Vessel
Fleet Phalanx Science Vessel
Fleet Vandal Destroyer
Fleet K'Tanco Battle Cruiser
Fleet Pach/Puyjaq Raptor
Fleet Qorgh/SuQob Raptor
Fleet Ki'tang/Ch'Tang Bird-of-Prey
Fleet Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey
Fleet Marauder Flight-Deck Cruiser
Fleet Guramba Siege Destroyer
Make it so, Cryptic. For crying out loud, the models are already there (and pretty ones at that, especially with the new Type-3 material) - just make up some decent stats and release those ships... So many possibilities of creating interesting designs, and you keep ignoring it all for almost two years now.
Not to mention, aside from Guramba and Marauder each of this ship would need to sell for 2000 Zen anyway. Per character! Why don't you want our money Cryptic? What's wrong with you?
They need a throwaway ship to buy that has THE console for the KDF. Not a shield absorptive frequency generator, an overpowered heal console if there ever was one, but something that would make the Garumba, the B'Rel, Varanus, etc. all more powerful/ stronger/ something. The KDF used to be the only ones with a plasmonic leech, but it's obtainable by all factions. The romulans had to beg for alliances to remain a factor while rebuilding, and cryptic gives them some of the best ships and arguably the best console in the game.