You guys should form a duet. Ignorance, and Stupidity, always do complement each other rather nicely. I'll leave it to you guys to sort out the roles. This part of your act doesn't seem to be an audience participation segment, so I'll just sit quietly and watch. On with the show.
Did anyone notice that the OP stopped participating in this discussion on the first page 4 days before already?
Seems he wasn't interested anyway.
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Yup. But others took up his cause.
Personally I think the ship works as it is in game. Would I mind more tactical boff abilities? No, but at the same time the ship isn't hurting that much without them.
nah im interested, just wanted to see other people go on with the conversation to see how it went.
It kind of went all over the place, didn't it?
My thoughts have been varying personally. I still think it is very much a sci ship, but capable of a variety of mission types, as seems common in Starfleet.
can we all just agree to disagree, its neither a tactical ship nor a science, ship, but in STO its a science ship, this wont change so either live with it, deal with it or go play WOW and leave us in peace.
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depends on your reasosn for exploring, you could be exploring for possible conquest, this wouldnt be scientific, you could just be exploring for the sake f exploring, you could be searching for minerals or other resources so this would be industrial... the list could go on.
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depends on your reasosn for exploring, you could be exploring for possible conquest, this wouldnt be scientific, you could just be exploring for the sake f exploring, you could be searching for minerals or other resources so this would be industrial... the list could go on.
Exploration for possible conquest sounds exactly like what the Federation does. :roll eyes:
Also that would still be a scientific mission, otherwise it would be called "scouting" not "Exploration". And science can be very well connected to warfare... otherwise we would still throw stones at each other.
it would apear your understanding of the terms scietific and exploration are wildly different to mine, plus when did i state that i was describing federation goals of exploration, and where are you getting the idea that i commented on the relationship between science and warfare, clearly your viewing posts through rose tinted lenses, seeeing only the bits you want to pick fault with. TBH this entire thread has devolved into just people whining at each other, those of us that try and introduce some semblence of conversation back into it, just get whined at again.
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can we all just agree to disagree, its neither a tactical ship nor a science, ship, but in STO its a science ship, this wont change so either live with it, deal with it or go play WOW and leave us in peace.
Gotta agree there, not had such a laugh in ages.... funnily enough, the last time I laughed like that, was all down to the same person doing the same things with people making running jokes out of the posts.
I do like this community, it has a wide variety of people
depends on your reasosn for exploring, you could be exploring for possible conquest, this wouldnt be scientific, you could just be exploring for the sake f exploring, you could be searching for minerals or other resources so this would be industrial... the list could go on.
Columbus went on an exploratory expedition and found the Americas - not a science discovery.
Those over at Cern with the Large Hadron Collider are exploring science, without actually going anywhere.
So, while exploration and science can be the same thing, generally they are not referred to as the same thing. (Thank you to johankreig for your explanation)
RE: Voyager, I think an overhaul with the weapon systems in STO could make it more tactical. At the moment the choices for ["effective"] weapon configs, is quite limited. With the only real choices for DPS being A2B beam boat or escort style DHC.
I think making Aux power based weapons and modifying how power drain when firing works would make a huge change to most science class ships and give them an over all DPS boost
I don't know if this has been said .... Voyager was one of the first ships designed to fight the Borg .... that is why it was a Tactical Science Ship ... built for short range voyages.....
I don't know if this has been said .... Voyager was one of the first ships designed to fight the Borg .... that is why it was a Tactical Science Ship ... built for short range voyages.....
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I don't know if this has been said .... Voyager was one of the first ships designed to fight the Borg .... that is why it was a Tactical Science Ship ... built for short range voyages.....
Don't know where you got that information - but as you missed my prior post with canon information, here you go;
the only ship that has been specificaly designed to fight the borg was the Defiant class (note not the U.S.S. Defiant as this is a re used ship name, the previous defiant i think was a connie) it was also the first combat specific ship the federation designed and built. I have never read, heard or seen anything that says the Intepid was designed around the same idea for fighting the borg.
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The Olympic class comes from a timeline where the federation is entrenched in a long standing war with the klingons. So I think it too should get a tactical boost. Thoughts?
The Olympic class comes from a timeline where the federation is entrenched in a long standing war with the klingons. So I think it too should get a tactical boost. Thoughts?
The ships was a hospital ship, and had little firepower, so how about.....NO.
The Olympic class comes from a timeline where the federation is entrenched in a long standing war with the klingons. So I think it too should get a tactical boost. Thoughts?
The ships was a hospital ship, and had little firepower, so how about.....NO.
It was a hospital ship in the middle of a protracted war. Against the Klingons. Pretty sure it had to have more teeth than you are giving it credit for.
So I'm thinking a 5/1 weapon setup. And a Lt. Cmd Tactical BOFF.
It was a hospital ship in the middle of a protracted war. Against the Klingons. Pretty sure it had to have more teeth than you are giving it credit for.
So I'm thinking a 5/1 weapon setup. And a Lt. Cmd Tactical BOFF.
What say you?
I hope u kidding. 2/1 should be almost the right configuration for a hospital ship. More than that, i will remove 1 more weapon. 1/1. There are ships with no weapons at all, why a hospital ship will have so many weapon slots?? it makes no sense at all.
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Please keep your posts on-topic. They should somehow relate back to the idea that the Intrepid might (or might not) be a Tactically-oriented starship in canon and how that is reflected in the game.
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intrepid was designed for exploration and was given the amount of firepower you would need to be ready for anything.
if you feel your intrepid isnt OP enough slot FAW and Spread
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why a hospital ship will have so many weapon slots?? it makes no sense at all.
Because in the timeline it comes from, it's a war ship providing front line medical support during a long and drawn out war with the Klingons.
Thus the 5/1. It's got the 5 up front to punch through to the injured. And the 1 in the back to poot poot as it races home with the injured.
That maintains the 6 weapons of an end-game science ship. But gives it the tactical prowess it needs to be a wartime surgeon. The Starship equivalent of a MASH unit. Beej and Hawkeye style!
I mean if the Voyager can be cited as being a tactical ship in canon just because it had more water than the entire Kazon nistrum, then I think the Oly can get some love to.
Defiant: 1 quad cannon, 3 phaser arrays (2 side 1 aft), 6 torpedo launchers, power cells provide massive amount of energy necessary to fire quad cannon (used up very fast)
Galaxy: 10 phaser arrays (2 aft, rest almost full arc), 6 torpedo launchers
Intrepid: 18 phaser arrays (4 aft), 5 torpedo launchers, 2 cores to fuel massive amount of energy necessary to fire large number of phaser arrays (requires large amount of fuel)
I see that people are still dragging this off topic, the mod has warned people allready, lets keep this topic on track, I have said all i think needs saying in my previous posts.
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Dude, you're killing me here.
Crying with laughter..... FACT
Seems he wasn't interested anyway.
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Thanks for being an excellent muse!
Personally I think the ship works as it is in game. Would I mind more tactical boff abilities? No, but at the same time the ship isn't hurting that much without them.
nah im interested, just wanted to see other people go on with the conversation to see how it went.
at this point I figure the Intrepid Class is more of a "coast guard cutter"
It kind of went all over the place, didn't it?
My thoughts have been varying personally. I still think it is very much a sci ship, but capable of a variety of mission types, as seems common in Starfleet.
Exploration for possible conquest sounds exactly like what the Federation does. :roll eyes:
Also that would still be a scientific mission, otherwise it would be called "scouting" not "Exploration". And science can be very well connected to warfare... otherwise we would still throw stones at each other.
How about we do this ^^^
Gotta agree there, not had such a laugh in ages.... funnily enough, the last time I laughed like that, was all down to the same person doing the same things with people making running jokes out of the posts.
I do like this community, it has a wide variety of people
Because they can be inclusive or exclusive of each other, as johankreig put;
Columbus went on an exploratory expedition and found the Americas - not a science discovery.
Those over at Cern with the Large Hadron Collider are exploring science, without actually going anywhere.
So, while exploration and science can be the same thing, generally they are not referred to as the same thing. (Thank you to johankreig for your explanation)
RE: Voyager, I think an overhaul with the weapon systems in STO could make it more tactical. At the moment the choices for ["effective"] weapon configs, is quite limited. With the only real choices for DPS being A2B beam boat or escort style DHC.
I think making Aux power based weapons and modifying how power drain when firing works would make a huge change to most science class ships and give them an over all DPS boost
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Don't know where you got that information - but as you missed my prior post with canon information, here you go;
The Defiant was built for war with the Borg - so I feel you have confused the two ships.
The ships was a hospital ship, and had little firepower, so how about.....NO.
give it a battle cloak?
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It was a hospital ship in the middle of a protracted war. Against the Klingons. Pretty sure it had to have more teeth than you are giving it credit for.
So I'm thinking a 5/1 weapon setup. And a Lt. Cmd Tactical BOFF.
What say you?
I hope u kidding. 2/1 should be almost the right configuration for a hospital ship. More than that, i will remove 1 more weapon. 1/1. There are ships with no weapons at all, why a hospital ship will have so many weapon slots?? it makes no sense at all.
Please keep your posts on-topic. They should somehow relate back to the idea that the Intrepid might (or might not) be a Tactically-oriented starship in canon and how that is reflected in the game.
This thread was moved to the Federation Shipyards forum to reflect the topic.
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if you feel your intrepid isnt OP enough slot FAW and Spread
Me? I never kid! I'm always serious!
Because in the timeline it comes from, it's a war ship providing front line medical support during a long and drawn out war with the Klingons.
Thus the 5/1. It's got the 5 up front to punch through to the injured. And the 1 in the back to poot poot as it races home with the injured.
That maintains the 6 weapons of an end-game science ship. But gives it the tactical prowess it needs to be a wartime surgeon. The Starship equivalent of a MASH unit. Beej and Hawkeye style!
I mean if the Voyager can be cited as being a tactical ship in canon just because it had more water than the entire Kazon nistrum, then I think the Oly can get some love to.
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So you're saying Tactical ships and Science ships should be rolled into one, and then there's Eng alone?:D