Has anyone stopped to consider that its actually a light cruiser/scout, The Intrepid class, as far as I am awar was built as a combat capable vessel, with multiple advanced systems, she was not a Tactical vessle in the sense of an escort etc, nor was she a cruiser, she was built to be more middle ground, a ship that can get to a place fast, stamp out bush fires, and hold her own, I have never seen or read anything that states she was a pure combat vesse, she maintains abilities in many areas, a jack of all but master of none, the lack of astrometrics etc is mainly becasue the role that the ship was designed for does not requre such features.
However this does cause an issue in the game when we have escorts, cruisers, and science ships, The intrepid technicaly doesnt fit into any of these catagories, she is neother tanky, high on dps skills or heavy on science, however based on her multi role layout, tbh Science would be the best place for it, I think people tend to view each role as black and white, Science ships in the game can still be tany and do dps, and the same goes for each class, The intrepid class fits as a recon ship, and the closest would be the science bracket.
The federation has only made 2 dedicated Warships, the Defiant class and the Promethius class, all others are multi role, with some being more focused or specialised in specific areas e.g. the soverign or akira.
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Now that is done... Cryptic, where is my DS9 class station so I can go do ESTFs in it !!!!!
The Fleet Station is kind of useless because it's turnrate of 0.0001 is a bit low. And all they did is slap a hangar on it to launch Runabouts. But if they gave it the Lt. Commander Tactical slot it DESERVES, it'd be comparable to the Scimitar! Which a Dreadnaught Space Station absolutely requires since Empok Nor has Lt. Commander Tactical BOFF.
I'll tell you what's wrong with that statement, from a theory, and design standpoint. When you say "more economic" you must mean in time to construct, as money is not an issue. The Nebula uses the same saucer, nacelles, hull, pylons, and neck as the Galaxy, just configured differently. However the Nebula also has the "mission pod" which the Galaxy lacks. Ergo, if all design parameters are the same, it's gonna take you longer to construct that extra module, so the Nebula will take longer to construct, overall.
Both Galaxy, and Nebula were contemporaries of each other. The Nebula is 4-5 years older, I believe. So if the Nebula is both older, and more "economical" to construct, yet perform the same role of the Galaxy class, why build Galaxies at all?
The Nebula's origin as an orphan Galaxy saucer recovery platform makes a better argument for it's creation. In the shows, saucer separation was portrayed more as a "giant lifeboat" theory, than the multiple attack vectors premise that is shown in STO. General quarters for all non essential personell would be in the saucer section, during combat. In the event of a warp core breach, (which probably occurred on a few Galaxies) Starfleet required a more reliable means of getting these people home than tractor beaming them through warp space. It has to be easier maintaining a warp bubble around one object, as opposed to two. It's not outlandish to think Starfleet just said hey, instead of building a new Galaxy hull to match the orphan saucer, we could just modify the recovery hull we already have, especially during the onset of the Borg incursion, and the Dominion War.
You do realise that the Nebula lacks the entire secondary hull of the Galaxy, right? That's a MASSIVE part that's "missing" and the mission pods are probably modular enough that they can be interchanged in stardock. I don't get why construction of a Nebula would take longer than that of a Galaxy.
We don't know about the design process, we just know that the Prometheus was launched before the Enterpise-D. It might be plausible to launch a Nebula prior to a Galaxy since you already got the parts except for the massive stardrive section. The Nebula was designed for the same purpose, I never said it does the same as the Galaxy. The Galaxy is meant for longer journeys, extended periods of time, it can do everything the Nebula can just bigger, better and longer. The Nebula would probably operate on smaller scales but as to Starfleet's design philosophy it's a perfect example of a all around flexible vessel.
You realise that "economical" is not tied to "money" in the first place and, second, that Star Trek, despite the fact that EARTH doesn't use currency anymore, doesn't portray a society past scarcity? You still need resources to construct a starship. Replicators don't magically let things appear, they need the exact same amount of "resource" as you would build those parts manually. It's just more comfortable and way faster which means a Nebula is faster to produce and needs less resources. Since Galaxy and Nebula share a lot of parts you'd construct those parts in larger number and you can utilize the Galaxy "spare parts" to launch a Nebula and so on.
The saucer retrieval thing is pure speculation as there is no indication whatsoever that a Nebula's saucer is detachable. The whole arc about the Saucer serving as a lifeboat is wonky, the show's authors admitted that behind the scenes as well (though it still doesn't change canon, mind you). I personally (only speculation) could see a saucer land on a plet's surface to deploy personnel and material in massive numbers during colonization etc. for instance. But whatever.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
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The Fleet Station is kind of useless because it's turnrate of 0.0001 is a bit low. And all they did is slap a hangar on it to launch Runabouts. But if they gave it the Lt. Commander Tactical slot it DESERVES, it'd be comparable to the Scimitar! Which a Dreadnaught Space Station absolutely requires since Empok Nor has Lt. Commander Tactical BOFF.
the reason voyager complained about lacking certin crew was because they suffered crew casualties in their first mission, and proably where going on that first mission with a somewhat lighter then normal crew anyway (remember their mission consisted of "waltz into the badlands, arrest a ship full of marquis. and be back in time for dinner. reasonable assumption that they didn't take on a buncha the specialists they woulda had if they had been sent on a long range mission)
that said I think they DID get one thing about the intrepid wrong in this game. at launch when it was launched I don't think the Intrepid class where envisioned as being particularly long ranged.
the Impression I got was Intrepids where intended to be the "Light work horse of the future" not the cutting edge large exploration vessels ala the enterprises. The Intrepid class was IMHO likely designed along side the Soverign class as a light weight counterpart to the sovvy's. designed to do light exploration, perform basic workhorse duties, and in combat situations presumably act as a light cruiser counterpart to the sovy's heavy cruiser
Has anyone stopped to consider that its actually a light cruiser/scout, The Intrepid class, as far as I am awar was built as a combat capable vessel, with multiple advanced systems, she was not a Tactical vessle in the sense of an escort etc, nor was she a cruiser, she was built to be more middle ground, a ship that can get to a place fast, stamp out bush fires, and hold her own, I have never seen or read anything that states she was a pure combat vesse, she maintains abilities in many areas, a jack of all but master of none, the lack of astrometrics etc is mainly becasue the role that the ship was designed for does not requre such features.
Which, basically, describes most Starfleet ships. A lot of which are still designed with an exploration first mindset.
So to answer your quest, yes. And it fits if you want to keep things in a more military mindset on what ships are. What that doesn't change is that the ship was designed for exploration first because that's just how the Federation does things.
Exception are the Defiant and Prometheus, who we know were designed for combat first. Other exception are science ships, like the Nova and Oberth, which were designed for more in depth scientific study and less for generic exploration.
People really need to keep in mind that even though the Federation designs most of their ships with an exploration first mindset, those ships are still designed to fill military roles. Their exploration ships are the warships of other races.
However this does cause an issue in the game when we have escorts, cruisers, and science ships, The intrepid technicaly doesnt fit into any of these catagories, she is neother tanky, high on dps skills or heavy on science, however based on her multi role layout, tbh Science would be the best place for it, I think people tend to view each role as black and white, Science ships in the game can still be tany and do dps, and the same goes for each class, The intrepid class fits as a recon ship, and the closest would be the science bracket.
The federation has only made 2 dedicated Warships, the Defiant class and the Promethius class, all others are multi role, with some being more focused or specialised in specific areas e.g. the soverign or akira.
Yeah, I don't think that the in game categorization needs to reflect canon, nor do I think it should to the strictest sense. I agree that given the likely roles the Intrepid would play in combat, it fits as a science ship in this game.
But science ships in this game don't really fit that well with canon at all anyway, IMO. But they are still fun to play.
You're really starting to look silly. I'm not sure what it is you're disputing. Zipagat stated that there isn't ANYTHING, mentioned ANYWHERE, about the Nebula's usage as a Galaxy recovery vehicle. Which is in (wait for it) FACT, wrong. As I was able to easily, produce evidence to the contrary. I think whatever learning impairment you suffer from, is prohibiting you from understanding my point.
It is considered non canon unless you can cite the actual canon source that the fan run website itself used. Otherwise it is treated as non canonical no matter how much you get passive aggressive and capitalize the word "fact".
You have also failed to address the errors found on that website for the other ships conveniently enough.
You're really starting to look silly. I'm not sure what it is you're disputing. Zipagat stated that there isn't ANYTHING, mentioned ANYWHERE, about the Nebula's usage as a Galaxy recovery vehicle. Which is in (wait for it) FACT, wrong. As I was able to easily, produce evidence to the contrary. I think whatever learning impairment you suffer from, is prohibiting you from understanding my point.
The theory here, Champ, is that the Star Drive has been destroyed.
So you're going to point to a case where "canon" shot itself in the foot? Okay Ace, we all know that "Warp Bubbles" were introduced after the first episode. But other than saying it's magic, how does canon retconn that discrepancy. The answer please... It doesn't. Unless that saucer is being tractor beamed along inside the warp bubble. And if anything breaches the warp bubble, like a saucer, you drop out of warp. I guess canon isn't so infallible after all, huh?
Tractor beam towing works, that's how the Soyuz class did it. However, what happens if the tractor beam breaks down. Now you have to dispatch another ship. Don't have to worry about tractor beams, when you have a Nebula recovery ship.
What part of tow the saucer back to a Starbase and give it a new saucer did you fail to comprehend in my previous post "champ"?
The Nebula as a saucer section recovery vehicle was mentioned in one of the early fan sites because I do remember that fact despite being shown as a completely full and capable starship. The Nebula is older than at least the Enterprise-D, the Phoenix was launched before the ship according to its dedication plaque and the Cardassians are aware of the tactical capabilities of the Nebula from Gul Macet in 2366. The Cardassians and the Federation have been in a number of wars from at least 2347.
Speaking of which, during the 2350s, the UFP was at war with three different star nations along raids from the Tholians, along with the ending of the Mordan IV Civil War. That would be a good setting for a new series.
The fact remains. I proved you incorrect in your assumption.
I can't fail, what I haven't tried, Sport. What that website says about other ships, does not concern me.
Your first comment about the Nebula-class was that it was "In fact" originally designed to pick up orphaned saucer sections. You have yet to prove that fact. FACT.
Your first comment about the Nebula-class was that it was "In fact" originally designed to pick up orphaned saucer sections. You have yet to prove that fact. FACT.
I remember seeing something saying that it was a secondary purpose of the class, to recuse stranded galaxy saucers. Heck if I can remember where I saw it though. The main purpose of whatever it was, if I remember correctly, was that the two classes shared components and complimented eachother like the constitution and the miranda did.
I remember seeing something saying that it was a secondary purpose of the class, to recuse stranded galaxy saucers. Heck if I can remember where I saw it though. The main purpose of whatever it was, if I remember correctly, was that the two classes shared components and complimented eachother like the constitution and the miranda did.
Next he will be claiming the Miranda was just a star drive tow section for the Constitution class saucer and it must be true because he can type fact in capital letters and link fan made rubbish.
FFS ... Would you pair please just get a room somewhere!!! Who T.F. want 5 pages of you pair arguing over "canon' this or "legitimate' that! ... This is STO and it's full of "Crypticisms"
Let the rest of us get back to the actual topic?
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I recently decided to get an Intrepid for my Tac Capt. (lvl 38) And I must say, I'm having a blast with it, all the Sci abilities are a great deal of fun ...
To be sure, it takes a bit more micromanaging the abilities to get the timing right, instead of just point an shoot like an escort, or fly around in big circles like a cruiser, but if you get the 'flow' correct, you can melt enemies in seconds!
The only thing I would say is lacking, and again this could be fixed with a C-Store Triple Pack, is a LtCmdr or Cmdr Tac slot, and perhaps 1 or 2 more console slots, either Eng or Tac or a combination of both ...
The RSV has an almost perfect setup, if we could just put an Intrepid Skin on that ship, I for one, would be happy.
You are the throwing around "FACT" as if it makes you some sort oracle to all things Star Trek. You are the one using fan fiction for examples to claim something is canon.
And in case you missed it, while you were busy scoffing at me using the word "Alas" - I was supporting your point of view. It was only when you became so arrogant throwing the word "FACT" about I decided you're just not worth supporting.
Oh, and of course, we are back to the nicknames again, "Ace", "Champ", "Sport". All of which you fall back on when you have been proven wrong yet refuse to bow out gracefully. You just type bigger replies with your little nicknames as if that makes everything better and makes you right.
You Are The Throwing Around "fact" As If It Makes You Some Sort Oracle To All Things Star Trek. You Are The One Using Fan Fiction For Examples To Claim Something Is Canon.
And In Case You Missed It, While You Were Busy Scoffing At Me Using The Word "alas" - I Was Supporting Your Point Of View. It Was Only When You Became So Arrogant Throwing The Word "fact" About I Decided You're Just Not Worth Supporting.
Oh, And Of Course, We Are Back To The Nicknames Again, "ace", "champ", "sport". All Of Which You Fall Back On When You Have Been Proven Wrong Yet Refuse To Bow Out Gracefully. You Just Type Bigger Replies With Your Little Nicknames As If That Makes Everything Better And Makes You Right.
My initial statement regarding the Nebula could not be confirmed, nor denied by any canon source.
I believe there's an Okudagram floating around the Internet somewhere, showing the MSD of a Nebula-class. It clearly defines key parts such as stellar cartography, shuttlebays and the rest... and also outlines the hull separation line and battle bridge, indicating the Nebula can saucer separate. It is indeed possible, however unlikely, the stardrive sections of Nebula-class vessels are used as "saucer shippers".
Not canon, but apocryphal (ie, as close to canon as we can possibly get).
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No, it does not. The Nebula's saucer sits on top of the secondary hull. The "neck" sits behind it, capped by the mission pod. The pylons angle down 90 degrees instead of up, with the nacelles on either side of, and slightly below, the secondary hull.
Not really. Not even the studio model was a complete kitbash, some of it was new, though nobody says the ships don't share major components, that's the whole point.
The Nebula is, according to the technical manual, 3,309,000 metric tons in mass. Galaxy is 4,500,000. That's what I'm talking about.
The separation issue is entirely apocryphal at best, though it didn't even make it in the technical manuals. It's a designer's note that didn't make it into any incarnation close to canon, just like the Akira's"carrier" concept which was entirely dropped for the on-screen and TM sources. The Akira is, btw, featured having 2 (two) photon torpedo launchers in the TM, not eight plus people always claim. And I think when it's not on-screen or in the screenwriting, the technical manuals are the next best (apocryphal) source.
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If it would be featured in an actually on-screen used Okudagram, that'd be something different. Though I don't think it was, at least neither MA nor Ex-Astris-Scientia mention it and especially the latter source is way more involved in analyzing the ships we saw than any of us
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
According to Memory Alpha.... well, you probably don't want to hear that Voyager was designed for long-term exploration missions. The Prometheus, on the other hand, was designed for deep-space tactical missions.
what about the ep that janeway said it was designed for long range tach missions ?
Right. I don't know why there's such a vast discrepancy in tonnage. If anything, the Nebula should weigh more, because of the mission pod. Also, there would seem to be more meat on the neck, where it attaches to the tapering, aft section of the engineering hull, as opposed to the thicker, forward section, as on the Galaxy. Another case of the sacred canon, contradicting itself. Maybe the Galaxy is outfitted with depleted uranium furniture, where the Nebula's is made of pine. The Nebula only appears to be smaller than the Galaxy because all the components are stacked on top of each other, where on the Galaxy, everything is spread out more.
It's actually not easy, that's right. But following the in-depth analysis of ey-astris-scientia:
We have identified differences between the Nebula variants, deliberately excluding the early kitbashes with their shortcomings concerning the proportions and details that wouldn't allow a proper comparison. The finalized Nebula class sports an entirely new engineering hull. While the overall dimensions of the Nebula and Galaxy saucer and nacelles are the same, there are many significant detail differences. Moreover, we can safely distinguish four sub-classes plus one uncertain variant that we may decide to ignore because the CGI modeler possibly just didn't get the proportions straight.
At least the physical models used a unique secondary hull which was not just a Galaxy kitbash and that part makes for much less mass of the ship and my personal theory is that the mission pod's mass varies according to it's purpose and it might not even be part of the ship but "swapped" on-demand and as such might not be included in the calculations. But that's just speculation
At least to me that makes sense and I personally bring it in-line with what is shown in the manuals. Your view might differ, there is in the end no final proof for one or the other.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The Intrepid-class starship was a Federation design that entered service in the later half of the 24th century. The Intrepid-class was designed for long-term exploration missions. At less than half the size of a Galaxy-class starship, it was considered "quick and smart." (VOY: "Someone to Watch Over Me", "Scientific Method", "Relativity")
The Intrepid-class starship was a Federation design that entered service in the later half of the 24th century. The Intrepid-class was designed for long-term exploration missions. At less than half the size of a Galaxy-class starship, it was considered "quick and smart." (VOY: "Someone to Watch Over Me", "Scientific Method", "Relativity")
The Intrepid-class starship was a Federation design that entered service in the later half of the 24th century. The Intrepid-class was designed for long-term exploration missions. At less than half the size of a Galaxy-class starship, it was considered "quick and smart." (VOY: "Someone to Watch Over Me", "Scientific Method", "Relativity")
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However this does cause an issue in the game when we have escorts, cruisers, and science ships, The intrepid technicaly doesnt fit into any of these catagories, she is neother tanky, high on dps skills or heavy on science, however based on her multi role layout, tbh Science would be the best place for it, I think people tend to view each role as black and white, Science ships in the game can still be tany and do dps, and the same goes for each class, The intrepid class fits as a recon ship, and the closest would be the science bracket.
The federation has only made 2 dedicated Warships, the Defiant class and the Promethius class, all others are multi role, with some being more focused or specialised in specific areas e.g. the soverign or akira.
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Ok, so let me see, as long as I caps the word "fact" - it makes it so, without proof or any form of source.. ok, let me give this a go....
DS9 is capable of warp factor 8 if you adjust the deflector matrix and install 2 nacelles, FACT.
Now that is done... Cryptic, where is my DS9 class station so I can go do ESTFs in it !!!!!
The Fleet Station is kind of useless because it's turnrate of 0.0001 is a bit low. And all they did is slap a hangar on it to launch Runabouts. But if they gave it the Lt. Commander Tactical slot it DESERVES, it'd be comparable to the Scimitar! Which a Dreadnaught Space Station absolutely requires since Empok Nor has Lt. Commander Tactical BOFF.
You do realise that the Nebula lacks the entire secondary hull of the Galaxy, right? That's a MASSIVE part that's "missing" and the mission pods are probably modular enough that they can be interchanged in stardock. I don't get why construction of a Nebula would take longer than that of a Galaxy.
We don't know about the design process, we just know that the Prometheus was launched before the Enterpise-D. It might be plausible to launch a Nebula prior to a Galaxy since you already got the parts except for the massive stardrive section. The Nebula was designed for the same purpose, I never said it does the same as the Galaxy. The Galaxy is meant for longer journeys, extended periods of time, it can do everything the Nebula can just bigger, better and longer. The Nebula would probably operate on smaller scales but as to Starfleet's design philosophy it's a perfect example of a all around flexible vessel.
You realise that "economical" is not tied to "money" in the first place and, second, that Star Trek, despite the fact that EARTH doesn't use currency anymore, doesn't portray a society past scarcity? You still need resources to construct a starship. Replicators don't magically let things appear, they need the exact same amount of "resource" as you would build those parts manually. It's just more comfortable and way faster which means a Nebula is faster to produce and needs less resources. Since Galaxy and Nebula share a lot of parts you'd construct those parts in larger number and you can utilize the Galaxy "spare parts" to launch a Nebula and so on.
The saucer retrieval thing is pure speculation as there is no indication whatsoever that a Nebula's saucer is detachable. The whole arc about the Saucer serving as a lifeboat is wonky, the show's authors admitted that behind the scenes as well (though it still doesn't change canon, mind you). I personally (only speculation) could see a saucer land on a plet's surface to deploy personnel and material in massive numbers during colonization etc. for instance. But whatever.
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Defiant: 1 quad cannon, 3 phaser arrays, 6 torpedo tubes
Galaxy: 10 phaser arrays, 6 torpedo tubes
Intrepid: 18 phaser arrays, 5 torpedo tubes
Intrepid has one fewer torpedo tube, and we all know torpedos are OP.:D
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Best post of the day
Let me give it a go as well.
All Klingon ships can shoot while cloaked as that one b'rel could. FACT.
Get to it Cryptic.
that said I think they DID get one thing about the intrepid wrong in this game. at launch when it was launched I don't think the Intrepid class where envisioned as being particularly long ranged.
the Impression I got was Intrepids where intended to be the "Light work horse of the future" not the cutting edge large exploration vessels ala the enterprises. The Intrepid class was IMHO likely designed along side the Soverign class as a light weight counterpart to the sovvy's. designed to do light exploration, perform basic workhorse duties, and in combat situations presumably act as a light cruiser counterpart to the sovy's heavy cruiser
Which, basically, describes most Starfleet ships. A lot of which are still designed with an exploration first mindset.
So to answer your quest, yes. And it fits if you want to keep things in a more military mindset on what ships are. What that doesn't change is that the ship was designed for exploration first because that's just how the Federation does things.
Exception are the Defiant and Prometheus, who we know were designed for combat first. Other exception are science ships, like the Nova and Oberth, which were designed for more in depth scientific study and less for generic exploration.
People really need to keep in mind that even though the Federation designs most of their ships with an exploration first mindset, those ships are still designed to fill military roles. Their exploration ships are the warships of other races.
Yeah, I don't think that the in game categorization needs to reflect canon, nor do I think it should to the strictest sense. I agree that given the likely roles the Intrepid would play in combat, it fits as a science ship in this game.
But science ships in this game don't really fit that well with canon at all anyway, IMO. But they are still fun to play.
It is considered non canon unless you can cite the actual canon source that the fan run website itself used. Otherwise it is treated as non canonical no matter how much you get passive aggressive and capitalize the word "fact".
You have also failed to address the errors found on that website for the other ships conveniently enough.
What part of tow the saucer back to a Starbase and give it a new saucer did you fail to comprehend in my previous post "champ"?
Speaking of which, during the 2350s, the UFP was at war with three different star nations along raids from the Tholians, along with the ending of the Mordan IV Civil War. That would be a good setting for a new series.
Your first comment about the Nebula-class was that it was "In fact" originally designed to pick up orphaned saucer sections. You have yet to prove that fact. FACT.
I remember seeing something saying that it was a secondary purpose of the class, to recuse stranded galaxy saucers. Heck if I can remember where I saw it though. The main purpose of whatever it was, if I remember correctly, was that the two classes shared components and complimented eachother like the constitution and the miranda did.
Next he will be claiming the Miranda was just a star drive tow section for the Constitution class saucer and it must be true because he can type fact in capital letters and link fan made rubbish.
Let the rest of us get back to the actual topic?
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I recently decided to get an Intrepid for my Tac Capt. (lvl 38) And I must say, I'm having a blast with it, all the Sci abilities are a great deal of fun ...
To be sure, it takes a bit more micromanaging the abilities to get the timing right, instead of just point an shoot like an escort, or fly around in big circles like a cruiser, but if you get the 'flow' correct, you can melt enemies in seconds!
The only thing I would say is lacking, and again this could be fixed with a C-Store Triple Pack, is a LtCmdr or Cmdr Tac slot, and perhaps 1 or 2 more console slots, either Eng or Tac or a combination of both ...
The RSV has an almost perfect setup, if we could just put an Intrepid Skin on that ship, I for one, would be happy.
Pot - Kettle there.
You are the throwing around "FACT" as if it makes you some sort oracle to all things Star Trek. You are the one using fan fiction for examples to claim something is canon.
And in case you missed it, while you were busy scoffing at me using the word "Alas" - I was supporting your point of view. It was only when you became so arrogant throwing the word "FACT" about I decided you're just not worth supporting.
Oh, and of course, we are back to the nicknames again, "Ace", "Champ", "Sport". All of which you fall back on when you have been proven wrong yet refuse to bow out gracefully. You just type bigger replies with your little nicknames as if that makes everything better and makes you right.
^^^^^ Fact
Or maybe someone knows Jenny DeSalle and asks nicely to ask Rick Berman
I think if he asks about that to any of the Voyager creators, he will be really punished.. :P.
I believe there's an Okudagram floating around the Internet somewhere, showing the MSD of a Nebula-class. It clearly defines key parts such as stellar cartography, shuttlebays and the rest... and also outlines the hull separation line and battle bridge, indicating the Nebula can saucer separate. It is indeed possible, however unlikely, the stardrive sections of Nebula-class vessels are used as "saucer shippers".
Not canon, but apocryphal (ie, as close to canon as we can possibly get).
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Not really. Not even the studio model was a complete kitbash, some of it was new, though nobody says the ships don't share major components, that's the whole point.
The Nebula is, according to the technical manual, 3,309,000 metric tons in mass. Galaxy is 4,500,000. That's what I'm talking about.
The separation issue is entirely apocryphal at best, though it didn't even make it in the technical manuals. It's a designer's note that didn't make it into any incarnation close to canon, just like the Akira's"carrier" concept which was entirely dropped for the on-screen and TM sources. The Akira is, btw, featured having 2 (two) photon torpedo launchers in the TM, not eight plus people always claim. And I think when it's not on-screen or in the screenwriting, the technical manuals are the next best (apocryphal) source.
EDIT:
If it would be featured in an actually on-screen used Okudagram, that'd be something different. Though I don't think it was, at least neither MA nor Ex-Astris-Scientia mention it and especially the latter source is way more involved in analyzing the ships we saw than any of us
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what about the ep that janeway said it was designed for long range tach missions ?
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Which episode?
It's actually not easy, that's right. But following the in-depth analysis of ey-astris-scientia:
At least the physical models used a unique secondary hull which was not just a Galaxy kitbash and that part makes for much less mass of the ship and my personal theory is that the mission pod's mass varies according to it's purpose and it might not even be part of the ship but "swapped" on-demand and as such might not be included in the calculations. But that's just speculation
At least to me that makes sense and I personally bring it in-line with what is shown in the manuals. Your view might differ, there is in the end no final proof for one or the other.
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next time use google save a 20 page pointless debate http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Intrepid_class
system Lord Baal is dead
So, there we have it, she's not a science ship, she is not a tactical ship.
Re-linking something from the first page, post 10, is helpful...
sorry dont go past first page on threads like this if you dont like easy thing to do dont look at it
miss read that bit but really to be all honest did not read past "i herd" part for you info.......
system Lord Baal is dead