The fact remains. I proved you incorrect in your assumption.
I can't fail, what I haven't tried, Sport. What that website says about other ships, does not concern me.
Your first comment about the Nebula-class was that it was "In fact" originally designed to pick up orphaned saucer sections. You have yet to prove that fact. FACT.
Your first comment about the Nebula-class was that it was "In fact" originally designed to pick up orphaned saucer sections. You have yet to prove that fact. FACT.
I remember seeing something saying that it was a secondary purpose of the class, to recuse stranded galaxy saucers. Heck if I can remember where I saw it though. The main purpose of whatever it was, if I remember correctly, was that the two classes shared components and complimented eachother like the constitution and the miranda did.
I remember seeing something saying that it was a secondary purpose of the class, to recuse stranded galaxy saucers. Heck if I can remember where I saw it though. The main purpose of whatever it was, if I remember correctly, was that the two classes shared components and complimented eachother like the constitution and the miranda did.
Next he will be claiming the Miranda was just a star drive tow section for the Constitution class saucer and it must be true because he can type fact in capital letters and link fan made rubbish.
FFS ... Would you pair please just get a room somewhere!!! Who T.F. want 5 pages of you pair arguing over "canon' this or "legitimate' that! ... This is STO and it's full of "Crypticisms"
Let the rest of us get back to the actual topic?
........
I recently decided to get an Intrepid for my Tac Capt. (lvl 38) And I must say, I'm having a blast with it, all the Sci abilities are a great deal of fun ...
To be sure, it takes a bit more micromanaging the abilities to get the timing right, instead of just point an shoot like an escort, or fly around in big circles like a cruiser, but if you get the 'flow' correct, you can melt enemies in seconds!
The only thing I would say is lacking, and again this could be fixed with a C-Store Triple Pack, is a LtCmdr or Cmdr Tac slot, and perhaps 1 or 2 more console slots, either Eng or Tac or a combination of both ...
The RSV has an almost perfect setup, if we could just put an Intrepid Skin on that ship, I for one, would be happy.
You are the throwing around "FACT" as if it makes you some sort oracle to all things Star Trek. You are the one using fan fiction for examples to claim something is canon.
And in case you missed it, while you were busy scoffing at me using the word "Alas" - I was supporting your point of view. It was only when you became so arrogant throwing the word "FACT" about I decided you're just not worth supporting.
Oh, and of course, we are back to the nicknames again, "Ace", "Champ", "Sport". All of which you fall back on when you have been proven wrong yet refuse to bow out gracefully. You just type bigger replies with your little nicknames as if that makes everything better and makes you right.
You Are The Throwing Around "fact" As If It Makes You Some Sort Oracle To All Things Star Trek. You Are The One Using Fan Fiction For Examples To Claim Something Is Canon.
And In Case You Missed It, While You Were Busy Scoffing At Me Using The Word "alas" - I Was Supporting Your Point Of View. It Was Only When You Became So Arrogant Throwing The Word "fact" About I Decided You're Just Not Worth Supporting.
Oh, And Of Course, We Are Back To The Nicknames Again, "ace", "champ", "sport". All Of Which You Fall Back On When You Have Been Proven Wrong Yet Refuse To Bow Out Gracefully. You Just Type Bigger Replies With Your Little Nicknames As If That Makes Everything Better And Makes You Right.
My initial statement regarding the Nebula could not be confirmed, nor denied by any canon source.
I believe there's an Okudagram floating around the Internet somewhere, showing the MSD of a Nebula-class. It clearly defines key parts such as stellar cartography, shuttlebays and the rest... and also outlines the hull separation line and battle bridge, indicating the Nebula can saucer separate. It is indeed possible, however unlikely, the stardrive sections of Nebula-class vessels are used as "saucer shippers".
Not canon, but apocryphal (ie, as close to canon as we can possibly get).
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No, it does not. The Nebula's saucer sits on top of the secondary hull. The "neck" sits behind it, capped by the mission pod. The pylons angle down 90 degrees instead of up, with the nacelles on either side of, and slightly below, the secondary hull.
Not really. Not even the studio model was a complete kitbash, some of it was new, though nobody says the ships don't share major components, that's the whole point.
The Nebula is, according to the technical manual, 3,309,000 metric tons in mass. Galaxy is 4,500,000. That's what I'm talking about.
The separation issue is entirely apocryphal at best, though it didn't even make it in the technical manuals. It's a designer's note that didn't make it into any incarnation close to canon, just like the Akira's"carrier" concept which was entirely dropped for the on-screen and TM sources. The Akira is, btw, featured having 2 (two) photon torpedo launchers in the TM, not eight plus people always claim. And I think when it's not on-screen or in the screenwriting, the technical manuals are the next best (apocryphal) source.
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If it would be featured in an actually on-screen used Okudagram, that'd be something different. Though I don't think it was, at least neither MA nor Ex-Astris-Scientia mention it and especially the latter source is way more involved in analyzing the ships we saw than any of us
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
According to Memory Alpha.... well, you probably don't want to hear that Voyager was designed for long-term exploration missions. The Prometheus, on the other hand, was designed for deep-space tactical missions.
what about the ep that janeway said it was designed for long range tach missions ?
Right. I don't know why there's such a vast discrepancy in tonnage. If anything, the Nebula should weigh more, because of the mission pod. Also, there would seem to be more meat on the neck, where it attaches to the tapering, aft section of the engineering hull, as opposed to the thicker, forward section, as on the Galaxy. Another case of the sacred canon, contradicting itself. Maybe the Galaxy is outfitted with depleted uranium furniture, where the Nebula's is made of pine. The Nebula only appears to be smaller than the Galaxy because all the components are stacked on top of each other, where on the Galaxy, everything is spread out more.
It's actually not easy, that's right. But following the in-depth analysis of ey-astris-scientia:
We have identified differences between the Nebula variants, deliberately excluding the early kitbashes with their shortcomings concerning the proportions and details that wouldn't allow a proper comparison. The finalized Nebula class sports an entirely new engineering hull. While the overall dimensions of the Nebula and Galaxy saucer and nacelles are the same, there are many significant detail differences. Moreover, we can safely distinguish four sub-classes plus one uncertain variant that we may decide to ignore because the CGI modeler possibly just didn't get the proportions straight.
At least the physical models used a unique secondary hull which was not just a Galaxy kitbash and that part makes for much less mass of the ship and my personal theory is that the mission pod's mass varies according to it's purpose and it might not even be part of the ship but "swapped" on-demand and as such might not be included in the calculations. But that's just speculation
At least to me that makes sense and I personally bring it in-line with what is shown in the manuals. Your view might differ, there is in the end no final proof for one or the other.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The Intrepid-class starship was a Federation design that entered service in the later half of the 24th century. The Intrepid-class was designed for long-term exploration missions. At less than half the size of a Galaxy-class starship, it was considered "quick and smart." (VOY: "Someone to Watch Over Me", "Scientific Method", "Relativity")
The Intrepid-class starship was a Federation design that entered service in the later half of the 24th century. The Intrepid-class was designed for long-term exploration missions. At less than half the size of a Galaxy-class starship, it was considered "quick and smart." (VOY: "Someone to Watch Over Me", "Scientific Method", "Relativity")
The Intrepid-class starship was a Federation design that entered service in the later half of the 24th century. The Intrepid-class was designed for long-term exploration missions. At less than half the size of a Galaxy-class starship, it was considered "quick and smart." (VOY: "Someone to Watch Over Me", "Scientific Method", "Relativity")
Oh,so your point was that it is in the right sub-forum already? Excellent.
wrong...... because at the end of the day i dont see the dev changing it so pointless dev have BIGER BETTER THING TO WORRY ABOUT their i can use caps to
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Your first comment about the Nebula-class was that it was "In fact" originally designed to pick up orphaned saucer sections. You have yet to prove that fact. FACT.
I remember seeing something saying that it was a secondary purpose of the class, to recuse stranded galaxy saucers. Heck if I can remember where I saw it though. The main purpose of whatever it was, if I remember correctly, was that the two classes shared components and complimented eachother like the constitution and the miranda did.
Next he will be claiming the Miranda was just a star drive tow section for the Constitution class saucer and it must be true because he can type fact in capital letters and link fan made rubbish.
Let the rest of us get back to the actual topic?
........
I recently decided to get an Intrepid for my Tac Capt. (lvl 38) And I must say, I'm having a blast with it, all the Sci abilities are a great deal of fun ...
To be sure, it takes a bit more micromanaging the abilities to get the timing right, instead of just point an shoot like an escort, or fly around in big circles like a cruiser, but if you get the 'flow' correct, you can melt enemies in seconds!
The only thing I would say is lacking, and again this could be fixed with a C-Store Triple Pack, is a LtCmdr or Cmdr Tac slot, and perhaps 1 or 2 more console slots, either Eng or Tac or a combination of both ...
The RSV has an almost perfect setup, if we could just put an Intrepid Skin on that ship, I for one, would be happy.
Pot - Kettle there.
You are the throwing around "FACT" as if it makes you some sort oracle to all things Star Trek. You are the one using fan fiction for examples to claim something is canon.
And in case you missed it, while you were busy scoffing at me using the word "Alas" - I was supporting your point of view. It was only when you became so arrogant throwing the word "FACT" about I decided you're just not worth supporting.
Oh, and of course, we are back to the nicknames again, "Ace", "Champ", "Sport". All of which you fall back on when you have been proven wrong yet refuse to bow out gracefully. You just type bigger replies with your little nicknames as if that makes everything better and makes you right.
^^^^^ Fact
Or maybe someone knows Jenny DeSalle and asks nicely to ask Rick Berman
I think if he asks about that to any of the Voyager creators, he will be really punished.. :P.
I believe there's an Okudagram floating around the Internet somewhere, showing the MSD of a Nebula-class. It clearly defines key parts such as stellar cartography, shuttlebays and the rest... and also outlines the hull separation line and battle bridge, indicating the Nebula can saucer separate. It is indeed possible, however unlikely, the stardrive sections of Nebula-class vessels are used as "saucer shippers".
Not canon, but apocryphal (ie, as close to canon as we can possibly get).
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Not really. Not even the studio model was a complete kitbash, some of it was new, though nobody says the ships don't share major components, that's the whole point.
The Nebula is, according to the technical manual, 3,309,000 metric tons in mass. Galaxy is 4,500,000. That's what I'm talking about.
The separation issue is entirely apocryphal at best, though it didn't even make it in the technical manuals. It's a designer's note that didn't make it into any incarnation close to canon, just like the Akira's"carrier" concept which was entirely dropped for the on-screen and TM sources. The Akira is, btw, featured having 2 (two) photon torpedo launchers in the TM, not eight plus people always claim. And I think when it's not on-screen or in the screenwriting, the technical manuals are the next best (apocryphal) source.
EDIT:
If it would be featured in an actually on-screen used Okudagram, that'd be something different. Though I don't think it was, at least neither MA nor Ex-Astris-Scientia mention it and especially the latter source is way more involved in analyzing the ships we saw than any of us
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what about the ep that janeway said it was designed for long range tach missions ?
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Which episode?
It's actually not easy, that's right. But following the in-depth analysis of ey-astris-scientia:
At least the physical models used a unique secondary hull which was not just a Galaxy kitbash and that part makes for much less mass of the ship and my personal theory is that the mission pod's mass varies according to it's purpose and it might not even be part of the ship but "swapped" on-demand and as such might not be included in the calculations. But that's just speculation
At least to me that makes sense and I personally bring it in-line with what is shown in the manuals. Your view might differ, there is in the end no final proof for one or the other.
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next time use google save a 20 page pointless debate http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Intrepid_class
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So, there we have it, she's not a science ship, she is not a tactical ship.
Re-linking something from the first page, post 10, is helpful...
sorry dont go past first page on threads like this if you dont like easy thing to do dont look at it
miss read that bit but really to be all honest did not read past "i herd" part for you info.......
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It wasn't past the first page...
here is another fact what is this doing in Gen and not Ten? not seening alot of sto talking going on
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It is classed as a Sci ship in STO. People were debating both for and against that.
Good that we have another person confused about what "fact" means though.
LOL, please don't - I'm resisting the urge to slap someone down with their own quotes as it is, without you poking fun as well
ya proves my point
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sound like a threat not good to make them on the net
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Oh,so your point was that it is in the right sub-forum already? Excellent.
Sorry, the resistance to not do it was futile on my part.
And I do apologise for not putting "fact" in all caps.
Champ :P
wrong...... because at the end of the day i dont see the dev changing it
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