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    jarfarujarfaru Member Posts: 572 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    No, the typo isn't the word reboot. It's the Galaxy X.

    The reboot is listed in the blog post as the Galaxy Reboot. Because it affects each Galaxy ship.

    They're not really doing big changes. And I understand a lot of posters on these forums wanted big changes. But Geko was really up front about that for the past year or so in interviews. They made small changes. The animation glitch with saucer sep is a really big art fix for the team and if it goes through without a hitch, I for one will give the team a kudos for finally getting around and dealing with that issue since it also affects other ships and should help quite a few captains out there.

    The rest is, like I was trying to point out, a repackaging. This idea is really targeting folks who don't own any of the galaxies. It's now a bundle. With a set that gives a bonus. It's now kind of the big shiny for a player new or new ish to the game who loves the Galaxy and can now get all their Galaxy needs in one click.

    I know the huge Galaxy Beef thread made it seem like this was going to be more than it was. But this reboot is really in line with everything Geko talked about in interviews leading up to it.

    Player expectations kind of have a habit of doing this.

    But keep in mind, a ton of old school players are locked out of this bundle anyways. So many of us got the Galaxy Retro for free with the level to 50 token way back when.

    So this slap in the face of the old school players that already own this ship isn't about what they wanted. Its about new players spending money in the c store. It always comes around to money with this company now. Not making the player base happy.
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    thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    jarfaru wrote: »
    So this slap in the face of the old school players that already own this ship isn't about what they wanted. Its about new players spending money in the c store. It always comes around to money with this company now. Not making the player base happy.
    These ships are old. They are being bundled together and sold at a discount because they are old and outdated within the game. Cryptic is essentially saying: "these ships really are not worth paying 6,500 Zen for individually now that the game has advanced to T5.5 so buy them all together for 4,000 and save yourself some Zen.

    If you are new to the game and want the Galaxy R, Galaxy X, and Venture it is a good deal. If you have been here a long time the odds are you might already have what you want from that line and the Package means nothing - simply buy the Bridge on its own and get on with your life.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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    rgzarcherrgzarcher Member Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    But wouldn't making the Galaxy X more comparable to the Scimitar mean MORE money to be made? By giving players a wider selection of end game ships there is more variety and opportunity to profit since people would be buying more ships?

    Giving the Galaxy X a package deal like the Oddy, Bort and Scimitar opens a door, but keeping its stats as is limits the viability of the ship.

    If it had say,

    Commander Eng
    Lt Commander Universal
    Lt Sci
    Lt Eng
    Ensign Tac

    It would turn the ship into a contender for top slot of the Federation. It still requires a console to cloak, and its not a battle cloak, so its not a Scimitar, but it would be a good contender that fills in a nitch the Federation has lacked, a true Dreadnought.

    I welcome this upgrade a great deal, as Saucer Separation will grant the Galaxy X a turn rate to actually use DHC effectually, and its console layout is without a doubt an aggressive one. But the fact remains it still lacks a boff layout to take advantage of its potential.
    "Why all the sales"?

    And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
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    thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rgzarcher wrote: »
    But wouldn't making the Galaxy X more comparable to the Scimitar mean MORE money to be made?
    Yes, $5.00 more; as those who have the T5 version must buy 1 Module to get the T5.5 version.

    But in the long run, most STO players DO NOT PVP. The differences between RA T5, VA T5, and Fleet T5.5 are virtually meaningless in PvE. I can equip-out my Free RA T5 Sovereign with MK XII Purple Rep Gear and do an ESTF just as quickly as I can do it in my T5.5 Fleet Sovereign with MK XII Purple Rep gear. The time difference is measures in seconds, not minutes or hours.

    The end-game content for this game was designed to be used with Free ships using dropped equipment gathered during play. Using the C-Store and Fleet ships with Rep gear is massive overkill. The need for T5.5 ships in PvE is an illusion brought about by people believing STO's end-game functions like other games.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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    amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I think we will just agree to disagree on that one.

    IIRC, the captain of the Odyssey even states he will not stay longer then 5 minutes once the attack starts, and he does not even last that long.

    Incidentally captain Keogh says 10 minutes, however in the end it's the ramming of the ship that quickly finishes the vessel off, which would have happened to any ship in that circumstance. The Odyssey wasn't doing that bad up until that point, no more so than any other ship anyway.
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    thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    amosov78 wrote: »
    Incidentally captain Keogh says 10 minutes, however in the end it's the ramming of the ship that quickly finishes the vessel off, which would have happened to any ship in that circumstance. The Odyssey wasn't doing that bad up until that point, no more so than any other ship anyway.
    Was not doing that bad? They had no Shields, as the Jem's phased polarons bypassed their systems. The first Jem pass gave them a leak in the port nacelle, power lost on the bridge, and casualty reports from several decks. You have a different idea of not doing that bad then I have. :)

    And after the attack starts the Captain states he is giving them 5 minutes - it is 10 minutes before the attack but only 5 after they get shot. :)

    By the time they get Sisko the ship is all but lost. The ramming was done to show that they have no concept of life and death.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyttwwrbdyk
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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    amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Was not doing that bad? They had no Shields, as the Jem's phased polarons bypassed their systems. The first Jem pass gave them a leak in the port nacelle, power lost on the bridge, and casualty reports from several decks. You have a different idea of not doing that bad then I have. :)

    And after the attack starts the Captain states he is giving them 5 minutes - it is 10 minutes before the attack but only 5 after they get shot. :)

    By the time they get Sisko the ship is all but lost. The ramming was done to show that they have no concept of life and death.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyttwwrbdyk

    I didn't realise I had to explain the implication in my statement. They were not doing bad based on the circumstances they found themselves in, since they didn't know anything about Dominion technology. The Defiant didn't do much better in the follow up episode, even after knowing just how dangerous the Jem'Hadar were. As I said, any ship in the Odyssey's position would have been just as easily overcome.
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    Commanding Officer: Captain Pyotr Ramonovich Amosov
    Dedication Plaque: "Nil Intentatum Reliquit"
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    snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    sevmrage wrote: »
    From what I saw on the Tribble thread, the Teams were re-nerfed.

    Nope. They work like the notes say they work. Should be going live that way in a couple days.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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    tksmittytksmitty Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    No Lt. Cmdr. uni/tac slot?

    I think the devs kinda missed the mark on the Fleet Gal-X.
    Current ship/builds:
    KDF Tac: Bortasqu' Tactical
    Fed Tac: Fleet Gal-X

    Keep those big guns a-thunderin'
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    snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    You do understand that Geko has nothing to do with forum moderation, right? I doubt Geko even looks at the forum, accept when directed to a subject by a CM.

    Good point. It was CBS said no to that poster's thread and had Jack Emmert himself merge it! Right? At least that's what I heard in the latest tweet about the latest podcast. Or something. ;)
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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    kesselrunner#0768 kesselrunner Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Just saw the details page for the new Gal-X. Am I the only one who thinks that the animation for the new AOE Spinal Lance looks like the ship is puking phaser energy?

    Gal-X is so disgusted by your enemies that it just can't hold it in... ;)
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    sevmragesevmrage Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    desekayar wrote: »
    Just saw the details page for the new Gal-X. Am I the only one who thinks that the animation for the new AOE Spinal Lance looks like the ship is puking phaser energy?

    Gal-X is so disgusted by your enemies that it just can't hold it in... ;)

    BWAHAHA! I like that!
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    My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
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    cryptkeeper0cryptkeeper0 Member Posts: 989 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    desekayar wrote: »
    Just saw the details page for the new Gal-X. Am I the only one who thinks that the animation for the new AOE Spinal Lance looks like the ship is puking phaser energy?

    Gal-X is so disgusted by your enemies that it just can't hold it in... ;)
    Lol its actually just reused assets of the doomsday device. :/ Awfully lazy, but their not going to honestly make the bank with the reboot either...
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    bdzigostbdzigost Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Why Galaxy-X doesnt have Shield Frequency Modulation criuser command? All cruisers and ALL klingon battle cruisers have that cruiser command. Galaxy is heavily eng biased and this is the most important eng cruiser command.
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,321 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    bdzigost wrote: »
    Why Galaxy-X doesnt have Shield Frequency Modulation criuser command? All cruisers and ALL klingon battle cruisers have that cruiser command. Galaxy is heavily eng biased and this is the most important eng cruiser command.

    Probably the same reason why they refuse a Commander boff on any ship with cruiser commands. It'd be complete overkill, at least from their perspective.

    With tanking the way it is ingame at this time i would not have a problem with it being added, but at least i can see why they chose not to include that cruiser command.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
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    supergirl1611supergirl1611 Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    One of the biggest misconceptions of the Galaxy Class is that due to carrying family members onboard she was nothing more than a luxury liner.

    In fact there are several misconceptions held against this starship.

    1. Families on board
    2. Built during peacetime. (Cardassian Wars were going on around this time)
    3. The pacifist and victory can be won with words nature of TNG T.V Series.

    People also comeback to 2 episodes where she performed poorly and its nearly always these 2 episodes that people argue about the ineffectiveness of the Galaxy

    1. Rascals which was a terrible episode in itself
    2. The Dominion DS9 Episode where the idea was to show the Dominion as the next uber power so a Galaxy had to die to empathise this. Yes a Galaxy to show how bad TRIBBLE the Dominion were.

    By definition no 1 in this list would make DS9 with its Temple, Bar,School, and Shops and civilians on board a space hotel.

    Sadly when it comes to the Galaxy class the message TNG sent esp the early TNG where conflict is won with thought and reason has imprinted itself into the minds of those viewers (Need more of that in the real world TBH) and they don't remember the Galaxy as what it was stated all the way through the series up until the end of Voyager as the Federations most powerful ship.

    It wasn't until the Sacrifice of Angels DS9 where the class was seen operating in its military designation, A battleship. If the ship was soo poor why did we suddenly see lots of these ships appear in battle scenes when it would cost less to put together a Defiant, Sabre, Excelsior, Akira, Nebula or Miranda. Starfleet did need every ship it could muster but really putting together a 643 metre ship compared to a ship 200-350 metres less would take less construction time and resources.
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    rybaksixrybaksix Member Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    http://pl.tinypic.com/r/2i7prib/8

    Just read this description ...
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    supergirl1611supergirl1611 Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rybaksix wrote: »
    http://pl.tinypic.com/r/2i7prib/8

    Just read this description ...

    Lol i'm confused are they talking about the same ship in that description.
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    thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Not sure.

    I mean, yeah, it can equip cannons - but with it's turn rate and only a Lt Tac BOFF, it's not going to make good use of them!
    You can use CRF/CSV I - and with Doffs you can help deal with the cooldown. Plus with Saucer Separation and the Turn Set Bonus your Turn Rate is around the Escort range. And, of course, you have the Cloak that will allow you to alpha strike - so get yourself a Romulan Boff. Plus now you get a Hanger for even more firepower.

    I have taken my Galaxy X into many ESTFs without difficulty. All the improvement in my VA, or upcoming Fleet version, only make the ship better. No, it is not an "I Win" ship, but what on the Fed side is? :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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    chrismullins1987chrismullins1987 Member Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Quite disappointed with the bridge officer stations on the Gal-X.
    I was hoping for a layout the same as The Avenger Battle Cruiser. But trying to compare a Galaxy-X and the Battle Cruiser is probably why it wasn't the same.
    It's just 'an old Galaxy reitrofitted' and shouldn't compare to the Battle Cruiser in the powers that be's mind at least.
    Ensign Universal is useless IMHO. If I had the ship I would still use it to tactical. A Lt. Cmdr Tac or universal would have been better.
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    thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I want BO2 and TT1 (2 copies) where do my cannon abilities go?
    As I stated above, the majority of players do not PvP. What you need is not necessary within the current PvE environment - where 5 T4 ships with MK XII Purple gear can defeat and ESTF and get the bonus.

    I completely understand that PvPers have a different demand on what they want from a ship. My answer to that is that the Galaxy X is not the ship you are going to want to use in PvP; at least not until PvP gets a revamp from the bottom up - as if that will ever happen. :)

    We do not all get what we want simply because we want it. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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    thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You are wrong, I want to use this ship in PvP, however apart from the very niche Lance build, I can't.

    Again read the description posted above from the Fleet Dread Stats on Tribble, then look at the ship's actual stats, do you think they match the description qualitatively? If you do then we have nothing further to discuss, if you don't then you must be forced to agree that the version being released tomorrow is woefully inadequate to fulfil the described role that Cryptic themselves wrote.
    As I have seen dozens of unmodified VA-level Galaxy Xs in PvP encounters over the years I do not see why the modified version would be any less attractive to use. Everything added to the ship is makes it better then it was.

    PvPers have been using it, and they will continue to use it. It is not an "I Win" ship, nor should it be due to age and place within the STO ship pantheon. Is it the most efficient ship in the Fleet? No. But if you have a yourning desire to use it you can.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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    bdzigostbdzigost Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    questerius wrote: »
    Probably the same reason why they refuse a Commander boff on any ship with cruiser commands. It'd be complete overkill, at least from their perspective.

    With tanking the way it is ingame at this time i would not have a problem with it being added, but at least i can see why they chose not to include that cruiser command.

    Errr ... You're wrong? Look at Fleet Tor'Kaht Battle Cruiser Retrofit - lt.cmd. tactical, lt. tactical, same consols layout as fleet Galaxy-X and Shield Frequency Modulation cruiser command.
    Even Avenger has Shield Frequency Modulation.
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    knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    As I have seen dozens of unmodified VA-level Galaxy Xs in PvP encounters over the years I do not see why the modified version would be any less attractive to use. Everything added to the ship is makes it better then it was.

    PvPers have been using it, and they will continue to use it. It is not an "I Win" ship, nor should it be due to age and place within the STO ship pantheon. Is it the most efficient ship in the Fleet? No. But if you have a yourning desire to use it you can.

    That's your opinion, not his. People see it as woefully inadequate because the new standard for tac battle cruisers is the scimitar. If you can't accept that, then I don't know what else to say to you.

    Pvpers use a lot of different ships, some obscure; that's not a good enough argument against changing the tac boff to Lt commander. Secondly, the age and place argument is nonsense since many ships in sto were arbitrarily assigned stronger boff station layouts and stats than ships that were canonically established to be more powerful. Lastly, let's address the yearning desire thing you said at the end. Again, you're sidestepping the legitimate question posed by him and others by telling him he can fly it if if he really desires it that much. Yes and so what? That could be said to anybody who really loves a ship but feels it's woefully outclassed by competing ships.
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    thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I do not want, nor did I ask for an "I Win" ship. I want to use it and not get my TRIBBLE kicked, I want to use it and be able to stay in the fight and deal significant damage as a Dreadnought should be able to do,. We are not given these options, this is why there is so much bitterness here, surely you of all people can understand that. You should also understand that you cannot present an argument that will dissuade people from this opinion.

    The fact remains that one of the most iconic ships in the game has been treated with almost pariah status by this company, but what offends me more is the total arrogance displayed and the lack of communication with the players. Post after post after post, thread after thread after thread, people like Drunk writing with great care and reason again and again and again, and after literally thousands of posts over a very long time all we get back is a derisory couple of comments, one of which was incorrect and the other a slightly modified boiler plate response.

    This is why people are annoyed, this is why people are not logging in, and this is why people will not spend their money on the ship, not the complete meh-ness of the vessel per se, more the staggering arrogance on display from the people that are supposed to communicate with us. They know they are the only game in town and that we have no other choice if we want to play a Star Trek MMO. If another company acquired a license for a Star Trek MMO you can bet their attitude would change very quickly and then they may start listening to what their customers want.
    First, the Galaxy X is not that iconic. It has a couple of minutes of screen time in the last episode of TNG. It was nothing more then an admiral's pet ship. As we have no other ship references from that episode's era we have no idea where it fits into the pantheon.

    Second, you have no idea how many people are logging in to play. I hate these strawnman statements: "I am not inclined to play so everyone must not be inclined to play either." It really does not work that way - especially since most of the STO community does not PvP. The X is fine in PvE - as any ship in the game is fine in STO's end-game content.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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    thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    reyan01 wrote: »
    It's not really a strawman since numerous players throughout several threads on this subject are saying the same thing. Although I guess that one could argue that, since forum users are in the minority in the grand scheme of things, it wouldn't have THAT much of an impact on the game itself.
    50 people? 100 people? 50 or 100 does not a majority make - plus I have to wonder how many statements are simply just the same small group of people saying the same things over and over and over in multiple threads until it appears to be a large number.

    I understand people are unhappy that their favorite ship is not everything they want it to be. But nothing ever is. There are too many people on this forum who want too many different things. We cannot all get it.

    Forums give people the belief that their minority voice means something. It does not. Majority rules. Cryptic is always going to do what they think is best for the majority and their game - and PvPers are not in the majority. Sad, but true.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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