If it becomes mandatory that would force them to take it off steam, now making youuse steam or arc for it though that i can see.
I don't see why the Steam link couldn't just launch Arc or a slimmed down version of Arc.
They're getting rid of the current patcher/launcher. They might replace that with a single game version of Arc for Steam and maybe Mac users but it would still be Arc for relevant purposes. Arc will be taking over as the patcher/launcher in any case.
It seems that Cryptic is trying to bribe some of us who are on the fence about the new loader they will soon be more or less forcing on us into opting in early by giving us some trinkets.
They are not bribes. Rewards / promotions were always promised with ARC since it was launched at the end of May 2013.
Gonna have to throw out a lot better bribes then this just to even make me seriously consider using this malicous 3rd party spyware program known as the ARC client.
And knuhteb5, they force everyone including the steam users to use ARC and i can promise you that the ARC spyware will be an atomic bomb that will be reduce STO to a barren desolate wasteland with little to no sign of life. Especially considering the fact that by definition alone ARC is nothing more then a backdoor spyware virus which compromises a systems security.
I still think a passive trait is still the best coarse of action for Cryptic to get its player base on arc.
Right no there is no incentive to get people to use it on an ongoing bases. I'm using a VM to run the game to get the item and im pretty sure it is defeating the purpose of the give-a-ways.
Since the game knows if you are logged in with ARC to determine if you get an item I think they should do a passive trait that only appears if you log in with arc.
Give it:
+5 to Sif
+5 to shields systems
+5% Crit Severity
+0.5% Crit Chance
You could give it some other variation but if it is the equivalent to a universal lobi console every one will want it.
The player base will use it on their own accord because they can't seem to resist a power creep. The Arc icon on the buff tags would double as advertising. We get a new trait. And people still dont have to use arc but the community pressure to keep up performance wise would be huge.
It seems that Cryptic is trying to bribe some of us who are on the fence about the new loader they will soon be more or less forcing on us into opting in early by giving us some trinkets.
I'll say this:
I do not see the need for a new launcher for STO sine the one I have does just fine IMO.
But you know what would more than likely get me and I'd be willing to bet quite a few others to opt in and tow the line for the new Launcher?
If using the new launcher for STO gets me the ability to buy the rare versions of the Hanger Jem'Hadar Attack ships from the shipyard vendor
The trinkets need to be something that I'd actually use.
Thanks for your Time
My dad is a tech'tard and just got him setup with a STO account on his computer. He had to go through arc....
Lets just say, he will not go around his elbow to get to his thumb to play STO, he'd rather be out and about anyways, and I'm not liking the way that Arc intends to target you with ads from other games in PWE's arsenal either.
I won't use it. If I wanted to play other PWE games, I'd seek them out on my own terms. I hate feeling like someone is progressively and incrementally shoving broken fiberglass rods in my TRIBBLE to psychologically move me in directions I normally WOULD NOT want to go.
Needless to say, they'll have to discontinue the manual patcher login before I'll download arc, and even then, they just may loose a family of LTS players whose put $5,000.00 into this game collectively (LTS x6, Oddy bundle x6, Andorian Escorts x6, etc for self, wife, and 4 kids). Of course, if they'll push away that kind of player, I wonder what is in store for everyone else.
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
I would call complaining about Arc a first world problem but honestly it's so stupid and petty of a problem that would be an insult to legitimate first world problems like when the grocery store I like to go to runs out of the 12 ply super fluffy toilet paper that contains butt-skin smoothing lotion I like and so I have to drive an extra half mile down the road to get it
Ty for more free stuff... I probably will never use it but keep giving it to me anyway... I'll keep taking it and saying thanks
Gonna have to throw out a lot better bribes then this just to even make me seriously consider using this malicous 3rd party spyware program known as the ARC client.
And knuhteb5, they force everyone including the steam users to use ARC and i can promise you that the ARC spyware will be an atomic bomb that will be reduce STO to a barren desolate wasteland with little to no sign of life. Especially considering the fact that by definition alone ARC is nothing more then a backdoor spyware virus which compromises a systems security.
Please explain in detail how it it compromises someone's computer.
When ARC becomes a requirement and STO turns into a "barren desolate wasteland" how long it will it take for all of you screaming "No to ARC" will be like, Meh, and come back?
I have taken the time to read all the other PWE forums on ARC threads, and the same thing keeps coming up, " STO players says its bad, is it really bad?" The STO Community seems to be the only ones complaining like little girls. Not once has anyone provided any real proof that ARC destroys computers or steals your information.
Keep putting little signatures that say No to Arc. Copy and paste wikipedia notes on Human
psychology, but you will not convince me not to use ARC until I see real proof it is damaging.
Cold, your statement is in error. In fact, the reason I chose to download Steam was because of the announcement that it would remain a valid launcher even after the standalone launcher was phased out. (Originally, the plan had been to make it an Arc exclusive; however, that plan changed when there was considerable outcry from the game's Steam users.)
I currently use Steam happily, as Arc uses up too much of my ancient laptop's processing capacity. I did download Arc so I could get the freebies; I have thus far only used it to claim those goodies, because under Arc, STO just starts out so bloody slow.
Yeah, I also thought as much. So the first is the uniform, then there's ugly shuttle and handful of lobi, so what's next? Monthly stipend of lobi for having Arc installed? Or they'll hand over lifetime subscribtions to whoever installs Arc :eek:
I still think a passive trait is still the best coarse of action for Cryptic to get its player base on arc.
They are just trying to make sto community familiar with Arc. Your idea is not good as Arc will replace old launcher one day so everyone would get this unnecessary buff. I don't want buffs unrelated to game-play. Gifts like this are better way.
he'd rather be out and about anyways, and I'm not liking the way that Arc intends to target you with ads from other games in PWE's arsenal either.
Thing is, you only get ads from games you have installed. If STO is only game you have installed, you will only have STO page with news and tabs related to sto.
My dad is a tech'tard and just got him setup with a STO account on his computer. He had to go through arc....
Lets just say, he will not go around his elbow to get to his thumb to play STO, he'd rather be out and about anyways, and I'm not liking the way that Arc intends to target you with ads from other games in PWE's arsenal either.
I won't use it. If I wanted to play other PWE games, I'd seek them out on my own terms. I hate feeling like someone is progressively and incrementally shoving broken fiberglass rods in my TRIBBLE to psychologically move me in directions I normally WOULD NOT want to go.
Needless to say, they'll have to discontinue the manual patcher login before I'll download arc, and even then, they just may loose a family of LTS players whose put $5,000.00 into this game collectively (LTS x6, Oddy bundle x6, Andorian Escorts x6, etc for self, wife, and 4 kids). Of course, if they'll push away that kind of player, I wonder what is in store for everyone else.
They are just trying to make sto community familiar with Arc. Your idea is not good as Arc will replace old launcher one day so everyone would get this unnecessary buff. I don't want buffs unrelated to game-play. Gifts like this are better way.
How does a passive trait not relate to game play? Traits are stats that boost your abilities. Its better then a shuttle taking up a slot. Arc wont be the only way to log into the game. There is also steam. Just because arc is in beta does not mean they have to remove this once its out of beta.
Yeah, I also thought as much. So the first is the uniform, then there's ugly shuttle and handful of lobi, so what's next? Monthly stipend of lobi for having Arc installed? Or they'll hand over lifetime subscribtions to whoever installs Arc :eek:
Actually, I wouldn't mind having a monthly stipend of lobi. I do, however, believe giving out lifetime memberships willy-nilly would be truly reckless.
How does a passive trait not relate to game play? Traits are stats that boost your abilities. Its better then a shuttle taking up a slot. Arc wont be the only way to log into the game. There is also steam. Just because arc is in beta does not mean they have to remove this once its out of beta.
I know what buff is. I just don't think they should give us those buffs for using Arc. Rewards like this are better.
But PWE invested money in creating Arc, why would they have 2 launchers? Yes, steam will still be available.
The problem with rewards is that people will use an old computer or a virtual machine or uninstall it after and not use arc. PWE's goal is to get people to use and keep arc. There has to be a permanent benefit to arc. If you remove arc you don't loose your reward which is probably why you prefer this method. The real question is what will keep you running arc.
I do not see the need for a new launcher for STO sine the one I have does just fine IMO.
Nothing to do with that. PWE wants to incorporate its games into one launcher because these things are proven to help advertise other games and bring in money players and money.
you will see companies using these combined launchers more and more in the future.
Nothing to do with that. PWE wants to incorporate its games into one launcher because these things are proven to help advertise other games and bring in money players and money.
you will see companies using these combined launchers more and more in the future.
True. Even Blizzard is testing one called Battlenet launcher. Though I am not sure if it will become the must use if you only play one of their games. Also from what I have read it does not try and change other progs on your PC like ARC does.
However they need to allow people who don't want it to opt out of it. Bloatware for getting into a game can put people off.
When I started I set after the game went free I set up a PWE account instead of a Cryptic account, as part of this I looked at all the games PWE has and none of them interested me. They are listed on the site and after looking decided none of them were for me. This makes ARC of no use to me in that sense.
Sorry but no. I will not install Arc, Uplay, Games for Windows Live (which is shutting down), Origin or whatever. I use Steam and that is it. If someone want to use it fine, if someone can be bribed with shuttle and 20 lobi - fine. But just don't made it mandatory for everyone.
if you don't like it, don't use it. we don't care. i personally have it, i don't care for it, and its not changing any of my game experience in any way on my more then 6 year old comp. so yeah, we (or should i say people like me) don't care if you like it or not.
so there are adverts on arc, so what, you don't stop watching tv as it has adds on it, you just take no notice of them and move on so what is your problem here?
if you stop playing sto because the launcher has adds on it more fool you its your loss especially if you have invested money in the game already, and even if you haven't spent any money what about all the time you have invested in the game.
it will take a lot more then what launcher sto uses to make me stop playing that's for sure.
providing you un-select the auto launch on startup and the share data option you should be ok.
the only problem I'm having is remembering to use the arc launcher instead of the old one.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I'm now giving Arc a try. I'm gonna run it, while keeping my Steam launcher and game files.
The first thing I noticed is that installing Arc when you still have STO files doesn't mean you need to do the 10 GB patch that basically is STO.
I will continue to look into it and give my feedback on the forums.
For now I can at least enjoy the free stuff.
And if everything fails, well, I still have my Steam Launcher.
so there are adverts on arc, so what, you don't stop watching tv as it has adds on it, you just take no notice of them and move on so what is your problem here?
if you stop playing sto because the launcher has adds on it more fool you its your loss especially if you have invested money in the game already, and even if you haven't spent any money what about all the time you have invested in the game.
it will take a lot more then what launcher sto uses to make me stop playing that's for sure.
providing you un-select the auto launch on startup and the share data option you should be ok.
the only problem I'm having is remembering to use the arc launcher instead of the old one.
i dont watch tv because it contains adverts. i dont even have a tv in the room. if i wanna watch something specific i use the online players and take a break from the computer when or if any adverts pop up.
in other words if ARC is just a massive advert platorm, i will use the steam launcher to bypass it altogether, there by avoiding the adverts. i will have to ask the person on the other machine about using their ARC thing again to try get the shuttle and lobi. but my main computer does not have ARC nor my backup locked away in the shed which is to be upgraded very soon, nor will i allow it on these computers
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I would like to download the program(s) those of you that have used that throw up all sorts of red flags. I have put ARC through Malwarebytes, Bazooka and Spyware blaster and no flags were raised and have also run it through AVG and Norton with the same results. I'm not discounting the positive results that pop up threats for other users but would like to see something tangible for myself. I've never been the lucky type so something just doesn't sit right with all that I've read and my results.
I play STO only and was a steam user (also the only game I played on steam) but so far for the past month and a half of using ARC nothing has changed on my end.
Just help me understand if 5 programs show no threats, what am I missing?
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And what if they did weekly rewards? Or required it for the next daily free Lobi promotion or daily C-Store giveaway?
They could conceivably have a month where every day has a prize claimable through Arc.
Or a month where dilithium gains and refinement doubles, only for Arc users.
And it will eventually be mandatory.
I don't see why the Steam link couldn't just launch Arc or a slimmed down version of Arc.
They're getting rid of the current patcher/launcher. They might replace that with a single game version of Arc for Steam and maybe Mac users but it would still be Arc for relevant purposes. Arc will be taking over as the patcher/launcher in any case.
Honestly, I prefer some purple rocks over shuttles, Lobi, and half-assed canon outfits...
The hair was nice at least.
They are not bribes. Rewards / promotions were always promised with ARC since it was launched at the end of May 2013.
And knuhteb5, they force everyone including the steam users to use ARC and i can promise you that the ARC spyware will be an atomic bomb that will be reduce STO to a barren desolate wasteland with little to no sign of life. Especially considering the fact that by definition alone ARC is nothing more then a backdoor spyware virus which compromises a systems security.
Right no there is no incentive to get people to use it on an ongoing bases. I'm using a VM to run the game to get the item and im pretty sure it is defeating the purpose of the give-a-ways.
Since the game knows if you are logged in with ARC to determine if you get an item I think they should do a passive trait that only appears if you log in with arc.
Give it:
+5 to Sif
+5 to shields systems
+5% Crit Severity
+0.5% Crit Chance
You could give it some other variation but if it is the equivalent to a universal lobi console every one will want it.
The player base will use it on their own accord because they can't seem to resist a power creep. The Arc icon on the buff tags would double as advertising. We get a new trait. And people still dont have to use arc but the community pressure to keep up performance wise would be huge.
My dad is a tech'tard and just got him setup with a STO account on his computer. He had to go through arc....
Lets just say, he will not go around his elbow to get to his thumb to play STO, he'd rather be out and about anyways, and I'm not liking the way that Arc intends to target you with ads from other games in PWE's arsenal either.
I won't use it. If I wanted to play other PWE games, I'd seek them out on my own terms. I hate feeling like someone is progressively and incrementally shoving broken fiberglass rods in my TRIBBLE to psychologically move me in directions I normally WOULD NOT want to go.
Needless to say, they'll have to discontinue the manual patcher login before I'll download arc, and even then, they just may loose a family of LTS players whose put $5,000.00 into this game collectively (LTS x6, Oddy bundle x6, Andorian Escorts x6, etc for self, wife, and 4 kids). Of course, if they'll push away that kind of player, I wonder what is in store for everyone else.
Ty for more free stuff... I probably will never use it but keep giving it to me anyway... I'll keep taking it and saying thanks
Please explain in detail how it it compromises someone's computer.
When ARC becomes a requirement and STO turns into a "barren desolate wasteland" how long it will it take for all of you screaming "No to ARC" will be like, Meh, and come back?
I have taken the time to read all the other PWE forums on ARC threads, and the same thing keeps coming up, " STO players says its bad, is it really bad?" The STO Community seems to be the only ones complaining like little girls. Not once has anyone provided any real proof that ARC destroys computers or steals your information.
Keep putting little signatures that say No to Arc. Copy and paste wikipedia notes on Human
psychology, but you will not convince me not to use ARC until I see real proof it is damaging.
Flame Away
I currently use Steam happily, as Arc uses up too much of my ancient laptop's processing capacity. I did download Arc so I could get the freebies; I have thus far only used it to claim those goodies, because under Arc, STO just starts out so bloody slow.
They are just trying to make sto community familiar with Arc. Your idea is not good as Arc will replace old launcher one day so everyone would get this unnecessary buff. I don't want buffs unrelated to game-play. Gifts like this are better way.
Thing is, you only get ads from games you have installed. If STO is only game you have installed, you will only have STO page with news and tabs related to sto.
Have no interest in their other games, none...
How does a passive trait not relate to game play? Traits are stats that boost your abilities. Its better then a shuttle taking up a slot. Arc wont be the only way to log into the game. There is also steam. Just because arc is in beta does not mean they have to remove this once its out of beta.
Actually, I wouldn't mind having a monthly stipend of lobi. I do, however, believe giving out lifetime memberships willy-nilly would be truly reckless.
Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.
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I know what buff is. I just don't think they should give us those buffs for using Arc. Rewards like this are better.
But PWE invested money in creating Arc, why would they have 2 launchers? Yes, steam will still be available.
The problem with rewards is that people will use an old computer or a virtual machine or uninstall it after and not use arc. PWE's goal is to get people to use and keep arc. There has to be a permanent benefit to arc. If you remove arc you don't loose your reward which is probably why you prefer this method. The real question is what will keep you running arc.
Nothing to do with that. PWE wants to incorporate its games into one launcher because these things are proven to help advertise other games and bring in money players and money.
you will see companies using these combined launchers more and more in the future.
True. Even Blizzard is testing one called Battlenet launcher. Though I am not sure if it will become the must use if you only play one of their games. Also from what I have read it does not try and change other progs on your PC like ARC does.
However they need to allow people who don't want it to opt out of it. Bloatware for getting into a game can put people off.
When I started I set after the game went free I set up a PWE account instead of a Cryptic account, as part of this I looked at all the games PWE has and none of them interested me. They are listed on the site and after looking decided none of them were for me. This makes ARC of no use to me in that sense.
Why would it force Steam to remove it? Steam still sells Ubisoft games that use UPlay - Ubisofts inhouse version of Steam.
if you stop playing sto because the launcher has adds on it more fool you its your loss especially if you have invested money in the game already, and even if you haven't spent any money what about all the time you have invested in the game.
it will take a lot more then what launcher sto uses to make me stop playing that's for sure.
providing you un-select the auto launch on startup and the share data option you should be ok.
the only problem I'm having is remembering to use the arc launcher instead of the old one.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
The first thing I noticed is that installing Arc when you still have STO files doesn't mean you need to do the 10 GB patch that basically is STO.
I will continue to look into it and give my feedback on the forums.
For now I can at least enjoy the free stuff.
And if everything fails, well, I still have my Steam Launcher.
Join the Deltas today!
i dont watch tv because it contains adverts. i dont even have a tv in the room. if i wanna watch something specific i use the online players and take a break from the computer when or if any adverts pop up.
in other words if ARC is just a massive advert platorm, i will use the steam launcher to bypass it altogether, there by avoiding the adverts. i will have to ask the person on the other machine about using their ARC thing again to try get the shuttle and lobi. but my main computer does not have ARC nor my backup locked away in the shed which is to be upgraded very soon, nor will i allow it on these computers
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I play STO only and was a steam user (also the only game I played on steam) but so far for the past month and a half of using ARC nothing has changed on my end.
Just help me understand if 5 programs show no threats, what am I missing?