Klingons cloak. We as a faction get innate cloaking on most of our ships and battle cloaking on our Raiders. Its been the norm since before the game went live.
Romulans get Battle Cloaking. Its an innate feature of all Romulan vessels.
Its two perks these two factions enjoy as per their IP counter parts in the genre of Star Trek.
So Worf led a project designed specifically to kill Feds? What?
Also, does everything the Avenger does, plus cloak, plus an arguably-better console, and doesn't give up anything (even a few thousand hull or something) in trade? Again, what?
Oh boy. Here we go. Every time the KDF gets something new, all the QQing Feds show up. Just stop whining that we get something better than you. You have plenty of upper-hands on us and you can't always have something equivalent or better than us. It's how it works, just like real life, and you can't keep taking away our in-game livelihood by leveling our unique material. You sound exactly like a communist.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] "The Borg - party-poopers of the galaxy"~ The Doctor
yeah it's kinda strange how sto 'explains' story. it leaves much to be desired that's for sure.
anyway looking forward to seeing the ship in game! I may just have to break the bank if I like what I see when on holodeck
Why would a man who briefly became Chancellor of the Klingon Empire(and transferred it over to the head of his adopted House) stay dishonored and banished?
Okay, if you go into the Lore of the game when J'mpok killed Martok and became Chancellor he banished Worf from entering the Great Hall. Which is why he is outside of it in the courtyard area. The lore of the story goes along with path of after Lursa and B'tor were killed by the enterprise Ja'rod went and was raised by Torg/House of Torg which were allies of the House of J'mpok and that is why when he came to power they were basically a 3 house alliance but from how the story progresses there is a void of story where the House of Duras and the House of J'mpok now stand after the discommendation of the House of Torg/Torg himself.
So they need to explain the story of how J'mpok and Worf suddenly became best buddies to let him name the ship
Edit: On what the General said the interview of the war being ended if this is something that was suppossed to be done leading up to something they haven't shared yet on the end of the war? LOL
Oh boy. Here we go. Every time the KDF gets something new, all the QQing Feds show up. Just stop whining that we get something better than you. You have plenty of upper-hands on us and you can't always have something equivalent or better than us. It's how it works, just like real life, and you can't keep taking away our in-game livelihood by leveling our unique material. You sound exactly like a communist.
One more Amen.
From the romulan point of view i understand you
Oh boy. Here we go. Every time the KDF gets something new, all the QQing Feds show up. Just stop whining that we get something better than you. You have plenty of upper-hands on us and you can't always have something equivalent or better than us. It's how it works, just like real life, and you can't keep taking away our in-game livelihood by leveling our unique material. You sound exactly like a communist.
*laughs* Thinking a game ought to be balanced and that advantages ought to be paid for with disadvantages is QQing huh? My dearest, humblest apologies to all the special snowflakes out there. *hands out participation trophies*
Klingons cloak. We as a faction get innate cloaking on most of our ships and battle cloaking on our Raiders. Its been the norm since before the game went live.
Yeah, I'm ok with that.
Except when the Vet ships were released KDF Vet ship (and Rom Vet ship) both got battle cloaks with a cost - lower shield mod.
Or rather the Fed ship had a higher shield mod.
Except that is tossed out the window here, and the KDF gets a 100% exact clone of the Fed ship, but also gets a cloak out of the deal - no loss of shield mod, no compromises.
Just a superior version, with no other differences.
*laughs* Thinking a game ought to be balanced and that advantages ought to be paid for with disadvantages is QQing huh? My dearest, humblest apologies to all the special snowflakes out there. *hands out participation trophies*
It is balanced. The Avenger gets to be a cloaker against UFP presidential mandate because it was not built with cloaking but uses a device the player already owns from another ship.
I'm not bothered. I'm glad there's a new, capable, KDF ship in the C-Store, in fact. I said what I said to bring up Cryptic's very coarse approach to ship design.
It is balanced. The Avenger gets to be a cloaker against UFP presidential mandate because it was not built with cloaking but uses a device the player already owns from another ship.
But thats story balance, I want mechanical balance. Too many years playing tabletop maybe, but like if I'm building a ship from a 100-point pool, if I spend 5 points on a cloaking device, I should have to give up 5 points somewhere else. Everyone builds their own ships from that same 100-point pool but goes in wildly different directions based on theme, end of the day they're still 100-point ships and balance out. But one faction gets 110 points because Story? That isn't right.
Edit: On what the General said the interview of the war being ended if this is something that was suppossed to be done leading up to something they haven't shared yet on the end of the war? LOL
Sphere of Influence (the last dialogue you have with Worf) is suppose to have set the stage for something yet to come in game that ends the war.
However, we have yet to see it and how long it will take before we do? ... Can't guess. ... Somethings are quick ... other things are ... well .... We are Klingon faction so we know how long things can take.
But thats story balance, I want mechanical balance. Too many years playing tabletop maybe, but like if I'm building a ship from a 100-point pool, if I spend 5 points on a cloaking device, I should have to give up 5 points somewhere else. Everyone builds their own ships from that same 100-point pool but goes in wildly different directions based on theme, end of the day they're still 100-point ships and balance out. But one faction gets 110 points because Story? That isn't right.
This. A thousand times this. This is a post that every member of the design team should be required to read before sitting down at their desk each and every morning.
This. A thousand times this. This is a post that every member of the design team should be required to read before sitting down at their desk each and every morning.
Im sure they'd appreciate you forcing that on them :rolleyes:
But thats story balance, I want mechanical balance. Too many years playing tabletop maybe, but like if I'm building a ship from a 100-point pool, if I spend 5 points on a cloaking device, I should have to give up 5 points somewhere else. Everyone builds their own ships from that same 100-point pool but goes in wildly different directions based on theme, end of the day they're still 100-point ships and balance out. But one faction gets 110 points because Story? That isn't right.
the +10 extra story points feds get is not having to pay for a single tier of science vessel.
This is AWESOME!!!!!!!!! Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam! thlIngan maH!
*paroxysms of glee and awesomeness*
This is EXACTLY what we need. I'm gonna get one ASAP, then I'm gonna blow the hell out of some Voth and Iconian probes. Bring it ON, demons of air and darkness! The warriors of the Empire are ready to destroy you for honor and glory!
*laughs* Thinking a game ought to be balanced and that advantages ought to be paid for with disadvantages is QQing huh? My dearest, humblest apologies to all the special snowflakes out there. *hands out participation trophies*
But thats story balance, I want mechanical balance. Too many years playing tabletop maybe, but like if I'm building a ship from a 100-point pool, if I spend 5 points on a cloaking device, I should have to give up 5 points somewhere else. Everyone builds their own ships from that same 100-point pool but goes in wildly different directions based on theme, end of the day they're still 100-point ships and balance out. But one faction gets 110 points because Story? That isn't right.
I don't think that self-seeking, inconsiderate and senseless players such as yourself really get it. You're the typical Fed-fanboy. Everytime the kdf gets something you become infuriated as if it's overpowered and/or going to give the kdf an advantage against the federation. You mechanical balance cannot exist because the federation already is more powerful than the kdf: it's not us that have the power creep problem, it's the romulans, so harp on them. You have no right to complain about this ship unless you can somehow prove that it is more powerful than a Scimitar, and you'll probably be getting an equally OP ship within the next few months anyway. Your kind are like silver-spooned spoiled toddlers and need to learn to be grateful for the fact that you have taken everything unique from us anyway. You have ships that can be used to equal if not greater effect, and have taken all of the best consoles that gave a signature touch to the kdf. Imbalance is what you're asking for.
I can't understand why branflakes allows threads like this to continue this far
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] "The Borg - party-poopers of the galaxy"~ The Doctor
The thing is ships are build by houses, there is no central authority in the Klingon Empire that oversees designs, Worf is with the House of Martok.
The story about this ship is simply lubricious, its pretty much "we stolen the Avenger plans and copied them" with fanwank on top.
The way that the Klingon Empire actually works ship names such as the IKS whatever would be up to the individual houses but as far as authority with such things as anything concerning the Empire as a whole like ship designs would either be up to the High Council or The Chancellor himself.
I agree that there's a problem with the Feds having the Avenger and the KDF having the Mogh...with what appears to be a copypasta job. The best solution would be to remove the Avenger from the Feds. Problem solved!
Sphere of Influence (the last dialogue you have with Worf) is suppose to have set the stage for something yet to come in game that ends the war.
However, we have yet to see it and how long it will take before we do? ... Can't guess. ... Somethings are quick ... other things are ... well .... We are Klingon faction so we know how long things can take.
Yeah very much so lol I guess looking at that way there is some turn of events that is somewhat missing maybe even a singular event that would pretty much explain how that comes to be. My best guess would be some new rep that reveals something like say undine on both sides that are exposed and at same time they learn the iconians had tricked them at the same time and then the taking time part would probally converting the game to where the problem with fed and kdf toons not being able to group together without a private lobby would come to be lol.
And while the kdf could definitely use more science ships, now that's getting into restitution as part of 1-to-1 ship balance, which is a big no-no.
I sincerely apologize for buying into the idea that every faction should be distinct and unique, with the outcome of my chosen iteration of this distinctiveness and uniqueness recurring frequently enough to have a noticable impact on my play experience.
I see now that I was mistaken, and everything in game should not only quantitatively balance out, but should also mirror every other part of the game too. Thank you for showing me the light that is the 3 roles of the trinity in 3 different faction specific paint schemes. Because that sounds like a much better, more intricate, complex, and nuanced game to play. I want to play that game. Even though it already exists and is called chess.
Nice ship for the klingons... however what happened to balance? Looking at other ships with copy/paste stats, the vet ship got less shields in exchange for innate cloak, the temporal ships did get identical stats but also no cloak. Yet this one gets more crew and integrated cloak for free without any offset?
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Klingons cloak. We as a faction get innate cloaking on most of our ships and battle cloaking on our Raiders. Its been the norm since before the game went live.
Romulans get Battle Cloaking. Its an innate feature of all Romulan vessels.
Its two perks these two factions enjoy as per their IP counter parts in the genre of Star Trek.
R.I.P
Oh boy. Here we go. Every time the KDF gets something new, all the QQing Feds show up. Just stop whining that we get something better than you. You have plenty of upper-hands on us and you can't always have something equivalent or better than us. It's how it works, just like real life, and you can't keep taking away our in-game livelihood by leveling our unique material. You sound exactly like a communist.
"The Borg - party-poopers of the galaxy" ~ The Doctor
Okay, if you go into the Lore of the game when J'mpok killed Martok and became Chancellor he banished Worf from entering the Great Hall. Which is why he is outside of it in the courtyard area. The lore of the story goes along with path of after Lursa and B'tor were killed by the enterprise Ja'rod went and was raised by Torg/House of Torg which were allies of the House of J'mpok and that is why when he came to power they were basically a 3 house alliance but from how the story progresses there is a void of story where the House of Duras and the House of J'mpok now stand after the discommendation of the House of Torg/Torg himself.
So they need to explain the story of how J'mpok and Worf suddenly became best buddies to let him name the ship
Edit: On what the General said the interview of the war being ended if this is something that was suppossed to be done leading up to something they haven't shared yet on the end of the war? LOL
One more Amen.
From the romulan point of view i understand you
*laughs* Thinking a game ought to be balanced and that advantages ought to be paid for with disadvantages is QQing huh? My dearest, humblest apologies to all the special snowflakes out there. *hands out participation trophies*
The G and T show about two Sundays back, I think.
R.I.P
Yeah, I'm ok with that.
Except when the Vet ships were released KDF Vet ship (and Rom Vet ship) both got battle cloaks with a cost - lower shield mod.
Or rather the Fed ship had a higher shield mod.
Except that is tossed out the window here, and the KDF gets a 100% exact clone of the Fed ship, but also gets a cloak out of the deal - no loss of shield mod, no compromises.
Just a superior version, with no other differences.
Give me a K'vort, I'd buy that.
Mines already name I.K.S Madiba.
It is balanced. The Avenger gets to be a cloaker against UFP presidential mandate because it was not built with cloaking but uses a device the player already owns from another ship.
R.I.P
I'm not bothered. I'm glad there's a new, capable, KDF ship in the C-Store, in fact. I said what I said to bring up Cryptic's very coarse approach to ship design.
Ladies and gentlemen, the obligatory "I'd prefer a K'vort" post.
Applause all round, I think
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But thats story balance, I want mechanical balance. Too many years playing tabletop maybe, but like if I'm building a ship from a 100-point pool, if I spend 5 points on a cloaking device, I should have to give up 5 points somewhere else. Everyone builds their own ships from that same 100-point pool but goes in wildly different directions based on theme, end of the day they're still 100-point ships and balance out. But one faction gets 110 points because Story? That isn't right.
Sphere of Influence (the last dialogue you have with Worf) is suppose to have set the stage for something yet to come in game that ends the war.
However, we have yet to see it and how long it will take before we do? ... Can't guess. ... Somethings are quick ... other things are ... well .... We are Klingon faction so we know how long things can take.
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This. A thousand times this. This is a post that every member of the design team should be required to read before sitting down at their desk each and every morning.
Im sure they'd appreciate you forcing that on them :rolleyes:
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the +10 extra story points feds get is not having to pay for a single tier of science vessel.
*paroxysms of glee and awesomeness*
This is EXACTLY what we need. I'm gonna get one ASAP, then I'm gonna blow the hell out of some Voth and Iconian probes. Bring it ON, demons of air and darkness! The warriors of the Empire are ready to destroy you for honor and glory!
I don't think that self-seeking, inconsiderate and senseless players such as yourself really get it. You're the typical Fed-fanboy. Everytime the kdf gets something you become infuriated as if it's overpowered and/or going to give the kdf an advantage against the federation. You mechanical balance cannot exist because the federation already is more powerful than the kdf: it's not us that have the power creep problem, it's the romulans, so harp on them. You have no right to complain about this ship unless you can somehow prove that it is more powerful than a Scimitar, and you'll probably be getting an equally OP ship within the next few months anyway. Your kind are like silver-spooned spoiled toddlers and need to learn to be grateful for the fact that you have taken everything unique from us anyway. You have ships that can be used to equal if not greater effect, and have taken all of the best consoles that gave a signature touch to the kdf. Imbalance is what you're asking for.
I can't understand why branflakes allows threads like this to continue this far
"The Borg - party-poopers of the galaxy" ~ The Doctor
And then there are romulan boffs on the "third" side
The way that the Klingon Empire actually works ship names such as the IKS whatever would be up to the individual houses but as far as authority with such things as anything concerning the Empire as a whole like ship designs would either be up to the High Council or The Chancellor himself.
Repetition breeds proficiency.
And while the kdf could definitely use more science ships, now that's getting into restitution as part of 1-to-1 ship balance, which is a big no-no.
Yeah very much so lol
I sincerely apologize for buying into the idea that every faction should be distinct and unique, with the outcome of my chosen iteration of this distinctiveness and uniqueness recurring frequently enough to have a noticable impact on my play experience.
I see now that I was mistaken, and everything in game should not only quantitatively balance out, but should also mirror every other part of the game too. Thank you for showing me the light that is the 3 roles of the trinity in 3 different faction specific paint schemes. Because that sounds like a much better, more intricate, complex, and nuanced game to play. I want to play that game. Even though it already exists and is called chess.