Was it really a good idea for Worf to name it "Mogh" when his father was considered by most Klingons to be a traitor and brought dishonor to the Mogh house? This is why Worf ended up being "adopted" by another house, so he would regain his honor.
Was it really a good idea for Worf to name it "Mogh" when his father was considered by most Klingons to be a traitor and brought dishonor to the Mogh house? This is why Worf ended up being "adopted" by another house, so he would regain his honor.
I can imagine Chancellor Martok exposing the deceased Gowron's political machinations and restoring Mogh's honor, especially since House of Duras isn't on the High Council anymore.
I could also see Worf naming it Mogh not only for his father, but to let more Klingons know his name outside of just the inner workings of the High Council and who he was. Let him have the honor after his death that was taken away.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Klingons cloak. We as a faction get innate cloaking on most of our ships and battle cloaking on our Raiders. Its been the norm since before the game went live.
Romulans get Battle Cloaking. Its an innate feature of all Romulan vessels.
Its two perks these two factions enjoy as per their IP counter parts in the genre of Star Trek.
There has always been a negative to cloaking to counter balance that in the setting.
The game does not have that counter balance. The time shields take to come back is no where near the compensation.
Besides there needing to be a real game counter balance.
I can imagine Chancellor Martok exposing the deceased Gowron's political machinations and restoring Mogh's honor, especially since House of Duras isn't on the High Council anymore.
I always thought Gowron restored Mogh's honour in exchange for Worf and Kurn's support during the Civil War? Which would make the whole naming thing solely a sentimental choice on Worf's behalf?
Of course, I may just be remembering that wrong...
I always thought Gowron restored Mogh's honour in exchange for Worf and Kurn's support during the Civil War? Which would make the whole naming thing solely a sentimental choice on Worf's behalf?
Of course, I may just be remembering that wrong...
He did, and then took away his House's honour again when he did not join him. Worf then basically dissolved the House by erasing Kurn's memory and joining another House. Either way it's not like he can't pour more honour on his dad right? :cool:
So basically copy and paste Avenger with better stats and not having to use a console to cloak. Like the KDF really needed another BCruiser? What it really needed is a new full cruiser. Feds basically stole the BCruiser, so let the KDF steal the standard cruiser.
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I ask myself what Klingon ships need to do to serve the Strategic aims of the Empire. I can see the BoP doing all kinds of risky "science" type stuff ( small ship, configurable, small loss if science fails...unlike Fed Science Crusier, big ship, big crew, big asset goes up when science goes bad)...what I don't see is a mission that the Klingon Empire would need to do that the Federation does not...and I keep coming back to the same missions...Police actions and Planetary invasions..in short the Klingons need a Gator Freighter of some sort...use the vo'quv graphic, maybe a mirror Vo'Quv set up, give it a new module that makes boarding parties fearsome...for now I'll call it the ****ton of Jarheads? module that can affect both space and ground combat. like space boarding parties don't use shuttles but just transport and land if your shields are down, get a full 12 man squad in ground combat for security team...just a thought...i'd buy it.
Mockery and derision have their place. Usually, it's on the far side of the airlock.
So basically copy and paste Avenger with better stats and not having to use a console to cloak. Like the KDF really needed another BCruiser? What it really needed is a new full cruiser. Feds basically stole the BCruiser, so let the KDF steal the standard cruiser.
The Bortas can do most of what a heavy cruiser can.
I don't want to go further with what that post implies but it give other tactical advantages to Avenger toward Mogh
In the end for me Avenger and Mogh are balanced .
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There is a big difference between Avenger and Mogh in repair rate .
That's probably an artefact of the joke that is the crew system.
As for Klingons getting standard cruisers. Sure. Just don't forget that normal cruisers give up DHC mounting ability in return for getting worse turn rate and inertia stats. Should be well received.
I'm looking forward to purchasing this ship! Say what you will, fellow players... The fact that Cryptic/PWE is giving some much-needed love to the KDF faction IS very appreciated. Thank you!
There has always been a negative to cloaking to counter balance that in the setting.
The game does not have that counter balance. The time shields take to come back is no where near the compensation.
Besides there needing to be a real game counter balance.
Evidently only KDF BoPs and Raptors pay for their innate cloaking. KDF battle cruisers do not have such a handicap as all KDF battle cruisers have had innate cloaking since they where constructed that way after gaining the device from the romulans.
But since the gripe about Cloaking devices make the player give up a console slot to use the device is unfair for the option, where is the extra console slots for all the other universal consoles ingame?
No extra slot was given the KDF vessels so the player could use the Universal consoles that come with them.
It boils down to choice and sacrifice. You can choose to lose a slot to run a AMS, Plasmonic leech, GpG or a cloaking console for ability it brings to build or not.
There is no imbalance.
I bought my Mogh over the weekend. It's the first full-priced ship I purchased without a specific character in mind for which I wanted to use it. I bought it mostly to support the KDF Faction.
I hope the Mogh has good sales and becomes worthwhile for Cryptic to continue investment. Especially in the mission and costume departments.
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I bought my Mogh over the weekend. It's the first full-priced ship I purchased without a specific character in mind for which I wanted to use it. I bought it mostly to support the KDF Faction.
I hope the Mogh has good sales and becomes worthwhile for Cryptic to continue investment. Especially in the mission and costume departments.
Actually, I've specifically decided to not buy it.
I already own the Fleet Tor'khat, a Fleet Avenger and I disagree that any item like a cloak no matter how small should be considered irrelevant when balancing otherwise identical ships.
Never mind the Nausican space trait and Elite Fleet disruptors which would have been enough to push the Mogh to being superior in the first place.
Where does it say this ship was specifically designed to kill Feds? All it says is that Worf led the team in designing a new iteration of the Negh'Var warship. It could have been created with the Borg, or the Undine, or even the Iconians, in mind.
A dammn good point. Worf is the Empire's expert on Borg and the Dominion, has experience and know-how from both RED and KDF ships. Plus mutiple engagements with Romulans, Renegade Klingons, and other hostiles (a list parsecs long)!
Of all the C/Z-Store entries, this is the ship i most want to get! Even more than the Odyssey/Bortasqu'/Scimitar/Vesta trifectas!!! Though they are still on my list!
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So I love the ship, I love the console, I'm definitely buying it even though I only have a level 12 neglected kdf alt. But I have one small comment.
Now that we've established that releases will be carbon copies for each side, instead of profession divided 3 packs of the same ship, why not cross factional 3 packs where you drop 50 dollars, get the equivalent ship for each side, and then the third ship would be your choice of the fleet variant of either (but not both) ships? Or throw roms in there, too, and have an actual 3 faction 3 pack. That'd be nice. Either way, really. Maybe ship development would be slower, but you'd have a lot fewer players feeling neglectd and disenfranchised.
I for one think that's a great idea! Also i'd been thinking along similar lines with the Lobi Store; we have cross-faction Romulan ships so why not decent Federation and Klingon cross-faction ships?
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Actually, I've specifically decided to not buy it.
I already own the Fleet Tor'khat, a Fleet Avenger and I disagree that any item like a cloak no matter how small should be considered irrelevant when balancing otherwise identical ships.
Never mind the Nausican space trait and Elite Fleet disruptors which would have been enough to push the Mogh to being superior in the first place.
I agree with you on this, but the KDF as it is now just doesn't have the luxury of boycotts, so I bought it.
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Was it really a good idea for Worf to name it "Mogh" when his father was considered by most Klingons to be a traitor and brought dishonor to the Mogh house? This is why Worf ended up being "adopted" by another house, so he would regain his honor.
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Again, let me speak on behalf of all feds.
This is fine. This will even things out, make everybody happy, and stop the fed-rage about cloak imbalance.
KDF, do you guys concur?
I can imagine Chancellor Martok exposing the deceased Gowron's political machinations and restoring Mogh's honor, especially since House of Duras isn't on the High Council anymore.
There has always been a negative to cloaking to counter balance that in the setting.
The game does not have that counter balance. The time shields take to come back is no where near the compensation.
Besides there needing to be a real game counter balance.
Of course, I may just be remembering that wrong...
Who the **** are you to be speaking for anyone???
Someone without an epohh friend.
He did, and then took away his House's honour again when he did not join him. Worf then basically dissolved the House by erasing Kurn's memory and joining another House. Either way it's not like he can't pour more honour on his dad right? :cool:
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I don't want to go further with what that post implies but it give other tactical advantages to Avenger toward Mogh
In the end for me Avenger and Mogh are balanced .
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
That's probably an artefact of the joke that is the crew system.
As for Klingons getting standard cruisers. Sure. Just don't forget that normal cruisers give up DHC mounting ability in return for getting worse turn rate and inertia stats. Should be well received.
Evidently only KDF BoPs and Raptors pay for their innate cloaking. KDF battle cruisers do not have such a handicap as all KDF battle cruisers have had innate cloaking since they where constructed that way after gaining the device from the romulans.
But since the gripe about Cloaking devices make the player give up a console slot to use the device is unfair for the option, where is the extra console slots for all the other universal consoles ingame?
No extra slot was given the KDF vessels so the player could use the Universal consoles that come with them.
It boils down to choice and sacrifice. You can choose to lose a slot to run a AMS, Plasmonic leech, GpG or a cloaking console for ability it brings to build or not.
There is no imbalance.
R.I.P
I hope the Mogh has good sales and becomes worthwhile for Cryptic to continue investment. Especially in the mission and costume departments.
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
Actually, I've specifically decided to not buy it.
I already own the Fleet Tor'khat, a Fleet Avenger and I disagree that any item like a cloak no matter how small should be considered irrelevant when balancing otherwise identical ships.
Never mind the Nausican space trait and Elite Fleet disruptors which would have been enough to push the Mogh to being superior in the first place.
i.imgur.com/LGpIGVB.png
FREE HONG KONG! *
A dammn good point. Worf is the Empire's expert on Borg and the Dominion, has experience and know-how from both RED and KDF ships. Plus mutiple engagements with Romulans, Renegade Klingons, and other hostiles (a list parsecs long)!
Of all the C/Z-Store entries, this is the ship i most want to get! Even more than the Odyssey/Bortasqu'/Scimitar/Vesta trifectas!!! Though they are still on my list!
[SIGPIC]Sarvour Shipyards[/SIGPIC]Sarvour Shipyards
=A=Commodore Joshua Daniel Sarvour, S.C.E.
U.S.S. AKAGI NX-93347, Enterprise-class Battle Cruiser =A= U.S.S. T'KORA'S WRATH NX-110047, Odyssey-class Battle Cruiser
"There Ain't No Grave, Can Hold My Body Down..."
PS - I fully support a T6 Nova, fixing the Nova skins. I am also rooting for a T6 Science Cruiser, that can use Nova/Rhode Island skins.
T6 Nova/Rhode Island, T6 Oberth & T6 Constellation are needed. Also needed a T6 Science Cruiser, that can wear any Science or Cruiser skin.
I for one think that's a great idea! Also i'd been thinking along similar lines with the Lobi Store; we have cross-faction Romulan ships so why not decent Federation and Klingon cross-faction ships?
[SIGPIC]Sarvour Shipyards[/SIGPIC]Sarvour Shipyards
=A=Commodore Joshua Daniel Sarvour, S.C.E.
U.S.S. AKAGI NX-93347, Enterprise-class Battle Cruiser =A= U.S.S. T'KORA'S WRATH NX-110047, Odyssey-class Battle Cruiser
"There Ain't No Grave, Can Hold My Body Down..."
PS - I fully support a T6 Nova, fixing the Nova skins. I am also rooting for a T6 Science Cruiser, that can use Nova/Rhode Island skins.
T6 Nova/Rhode Island, T6 Oberth & T6 Constellation are needed. Also needed a T6 Science Cruiser, that can wear any Science or Cruiser skin.
I agree with you on this, but the KDF as it is now just doesn't have the luxury of boycotts, so I bought it.