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ladymyajha
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I need to rant a bit.
This thing seems to be designed to once again stick it to those of us who drive Science Vessels. I mean really, what can we do with it with only three forward weapon slots.
I can't use it as a beam weapon, it doesn't have the arc. Doesn't do the dps of a dual beam bank or cannons if I'm flying a Vesta. I could replace a torpedo launcher with it, but then why the frack would I need the set torpedo launcher? I'd place it in the bank rank, but again, it's not a turret so unless I have my assets pointed at a target it's worthless, and if I'm dual banking, it becomes again a worthless set piece.
Even in an escort taking this thing would seriously kill my dps, removing either a dhc or a torpedo and getting less out of it.
So what can we do with it in it's current configuration and make it worthwhile. I may be missing something, but I just don't get it.
My suggestion is, make it a friggin 360 degree weapon. Leave all the other stats alone. It'll be a slightly more powerful turret I get that, but with all the Kinetic Beams in the game, this experimental weapon doesn't even come close to comparing with a Kinetic Beam
This thing seems to be designed to once again stick it to those of us who drive Science Vessels. I mean really, what can we do with it with only three forward weapon slots.
I can't use it as a beam weapon, it doesn't have the arc. Doesn't do the dps of a dual beam bank or cannons if I'm flying a Vesta. I could replace a torpedo launcher with it, but then why the frack would I need the set torpedo launcher? I'd place it in the bank rank, but again, it's not a turret so unless I have my assets pointed at a target it's worthless, and if I'm dual banking, it becomes again a worthless set piece.
Even in an escort taking this thing would seriously kill my dps, removing either a dhc or a torpedo and getting less out of it.
So what can we do with it in it's current configuration and make it worthwhile. I may be missing something, but I just don't get it.
My suggestion is, make it a friggin 360 degree weapon. Leave all the other stats alone. It'll be a slightly more powerful turret I get that, but with all the Kinetic Beams in the game, this experimental weapon doesn't even come close to comparing with a Kinetic Beam
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I thought it was, glancing over the stats at first, but when I saw the arc....
This is a very build-breaking weapon, if you want the set bonuses (which, by the way, are absolutely useless without this particular part of this set and those specific BOff abilities). And for such build-breaking mastery, it isn't even that great a payoff.
Console + Torp? set bonus is useless. What's up with that? It's like they're trying to break builds.
As far as science vessels go, there are single cannon builds for those, dual cannon builds, regardless of ship, are somewhat screwed for set weapons. That said, the downside of cannon builds on science vessels is the loss of the use of your innates; does this weapon allow the use of Beam Target X Subsystem?
There are cannon builds yes, but the dps isn't a cannon, it's kind of the dps between a turret and a beam weapon. So placing it in a cannon build, regardless of ship, is even worse.
If it had the dps of a dual beam bank, I'd have no problems with it. DPS of a single cannon, while not my favorite build, I could do something with it. This thing isn't either.
If they made it a 360-degree turret with turret-level damage, it'd probably be more popular. As it is, I'll save my marks.
Ah, I see.
If that's the case, damage and arc really should be brought in line. To be honest, though, with no consoles able to buff it, the damage should probably be a bit higher than other weapons in that arc.
However even with the 2.5% acc boost from them and the additional 15% boost to other weapon types. It is still not worth the investment.
Well, it looks really cool when its firing...
Unless I am missing something this is going to be one of those weapons in pve that that signals to everyone that you don't know how to build a ship.
Same for the console. The gravitic torpedo may be cool as a one-off item though.
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First off I enjoy the ******** about the set not being useable by specific builds. Because every weapons set previous has been tailor made to work with all builds right?
Second cool photon damage and crit boost. Is the set torp a photon?
This seems like a reasonable thing to use on a cruiser.
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Yeah, the operating words being "looks awesome" and "RP". With the 4 weapon slots of a Constitution there is absolutely no viable build possible, and as long as they allow Geko to choose which ships he makes we won't even get an Exeter or Excalibur with more.
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Yes, the inability to mount it aft is going to be a problem, but I can see this having a place in beam builds going for the extra crit as they'll still be able to broadside and keep all weapons on target. The capacity to use FAW with it on the 2-piece bonus seems to reinforce that notion. And the crit proc...yeesh if that's a per tic thing this has the capacity to be a little bit nuts (napkin math puts this thing as having a base crit chance of around 30% or so before any of the new tac consoles enter the equation.)
Yes the torp is a photon. It has a 33% chance to generate a weak short lived GW effect. Spread has the chance on the first torp for each target, HY makes a destructable torp that does 14k or so dmg and has a 100% chance of making the GW like effect.
Visual on the effect is same as trico but with red rings instead of white.
It seems tailor made for cruisers, that will be able to broadside with it. However, the photon damage increase is lost (photon torp aren't broadside weapons).
In the end, you either use it on a cruiser, and broaside, making the photon torp damage increase useless. Or you use it to replace a DHC/beam bank, but I don't think the photon damage bonus will make it for the DPS loss.
IE you have a useless weapon, or a useless bonus.
This. The Experimental Proton Weapon comes with four weapons mods of which three are [critH]. Combined with the set this weapon has a +9% critH chance. Add in your character's/BOff's critH chance, plus universal consoles, plus new tactical consoles, plus (eventual) tactical powers this thing has a tremendous chance to achieve a constant streak of critical hits. Furthermore each critical hit has a 50% chance to add additional shieldbypassing proton damage.
While additional tests may be required, I don't think we should yet dismiss this weapon's capabilities.
A couple of things...
1) the KCB's primary draw is OWA, not its damage output. Thanks to kinetic damage versus shields, quite often it's doing effectively no damage. Proton damage doesn't have that problem.
2) Photon damage isn't the only perk from the two-piece set bonus. 3% across the board CritH is nothing to sneeze at, especially from a weapon that can make use of FAW.
3) It remains to be seen whether the on-crit procs are per tick or per salvo (given that stock AP's bonus is per tick I have to speculate this will be as well, though I don't want to jump to conclusions). If per tick, ships gaining near to or upwards of 10% base crit from S8 gear is going to skew the equation quite a bit.
I'm not going to sit here and argue that this thing will be directly dishing out the level of hurt as a fully boosted fleet/mkXII weapon. Being unable to synergize with tac consoles effectively rules that out. But there is quite realistically the possibility (especially on highly geared ships) that it'll do exactly the same thing that the KCB did: make every other weapon you're carrying better to more than make up the difference in raw DPS lost.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
so new gear will junk then....they need to make it 100% chance to proc on crtic
Have you parsed it?
Experimental Proton Weapon: http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8636/67l2.jpg
Unbuffed Beam Array: http://imageshack.us/a/img834/272/95w5.jpg
Cutting Beam: http://imageshack.us/a/img443/1036/c4ty.jpg
Console Buffed Dual Cannons: http://imageshack.us/a/img850/1148/gv1r.jpg
I would suggest 3 possible fixes for this:
1: Leave it uneffected by damage consoles but make it a turret like the cutting beam. Its DPS is inline with a console buffed turret. By doing this escorts as well as beam boats could use this weapon effectively. This would be the most preferably option I think.
2: Make it effected by antiproton consoles just as the temporal dual beam bank is effected by antiproton consoles to make it a viable weapon. Both nukara and romulan rep weapons are effected by damage consoles.
3: Make it effected by both the +beam and +cannons consoles from fleet. This would be the worst option to me as those fleet consoles will cost you dps over the damage specific fleet versions, but would still be an improvement over the current state of affairs.
Except vs shields the KCB does 25% damage (288 dps) and the proton weapon does 774 dps.
Also, I wonder if people realized that Cryptic is not out there to put weapons in to the game simply to improve their already game-breakingly powerful builds. If you are already winning the game, go ahead and continue doing what you are doing. Let cryptic add alternatives for people who want to try different things.
This set is great because it can be used to improve Photon weapons, and encourages people to use some different abilities.
Personally i'm already planning a Proton/Photon science build taking full advantage of this set and the new rep consoles:
Probably on a Dhelan or another escorty ship with a LtC sci.
Use 4 +Proton[Pol] consoles, 3 of the 10% to add proton damage to science abilities consoles. This set along with Protonic polaron weapons (probably a DHC and turrets)
Not ideal, but fun.
Remember fun?
Numbers are from 125 weapon power?
If so, that derived number on the proton doesn't make any sense to me. Weapon power alone should have boosted it to over 800 dps (DPV of 500+), and that's without taking into account any kind of skill or equipment modifiers. Something's funky here.
Edit:
If however, you had a weapon power of 120 when those screenies were taken, then I think I know what's funky.
Those numbers are at 125, jumped back on tribble to verify. I am not using any proton damage boosting consoles for these tests.
No AMP core or T4 tholian rep? Sorry for the 20 questions bit, just trying to exclude variables before I go all in on what I think is going on.