Actually leaving things as they are would be fairer. The character creator has had small aliens and a rather large minimum bust size for almost 4 years and most people seem to cope with it.
So, in other words, if we are quiet forum lurkers, or minority, we should just shut up because we are apparently suddenly selfish, because we speak up...? Makes me sad that there are people who think that.
Alas, if you cope with how things are, why do you have a problem having the bust size for females for alien characters the way it is now, while other, canon species get the lesser size? That would be okay, no? Following your logic, you 'coped' with that size on alien characters for 4 years as well....
Meh this topic has been brought up before and they HAVE made a comment regarding not wanting characters to look like children.
Where in the fourms that is though... well... good luck searching for it.
Then I still think the small, kid-sized male aliens look like kids more than anything else and the whole argument is lame.
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So, in other words, if we are quiet forum lurkers, or minority, we should just shut up because we are apparently suddenly selfish, because we speak up...? Makes me sad that there are people who think that.
I have no problem with you or anyone else asking for changes to be made in the game. I have seen some truly great ideas being posted on these forums. However, if you think other people should be made to change the way their character looks so you can have your character look how you want then yes, I think that is selfish.
What if I decided there was something I wanted changing about my character but the only way for me to get it would be to make your character have long hair? What would you think of me? You'd think I was being selfish wouldn't you?
Alas, if you cope with how things are, why do you have a problem having the bust size for females for alien characters the way it is now, while other, canon species get the lesser size? That would be okay, no? Following your logic, you 'coped' with that size on alien characters for 4 years as well....
I'm having trouble understanding your meaning here but I'll answer as best I can.
I have no problem with the bust slider the way it is now, nor do I have any issues with 2 feet tall aliens. However if the Devs want to add more options (they key word being add) then I would be happy for them to do so, infinite diversity in infinite combinations as the Vulcans would say.
It would seem you and I are at cross purposes, I support that you want to make your character look how you want it to. All I have a problem with is the hypocrisy of you being quite happy for others to be forced to change how their characters look just so you can have what you want.
I have no problem with you or anyone else asking for changes to be made in the game. I have seen some truly great ideas being posted on these forums. However, if you think other people should be made to change the way their character looks so you can have your character look how you want then yes, I think that is selfish.
What if I decided there was something I wanted changing about my character but the only way for me to get it would be to make your character have long hair? What would you think of me? You'd think I was being selfish wouldn't you?
I'm having trouble understanding your meaning here but I'll answer as best I can.
I have no problem with the bust slider the way it is now, nor do I have any issues with 2 feet tall aliens. However if the Devs want to add more options (they key word being add) then I would be happy for them to do so, infinite diversity in infinite combinations as the Vulcans would say.
It would seem you and I are at cross purposes, I support that you want to make your character look how you want it to. All I have a problem with is the hypocrisy of you being quite happy for others to be forced to change how their characters look just so you can have what you want.
I am not *happy* to force anyone to anything, because I too would love to see more diversity rather than less. But the way things are, I am being forced to something as well, which is equally unfair, which is my issue here, which I'd like to see fixed.
And as to being selfish? I am sure there are people who want this change as well, it's not just me. This is difficult, because there are either people, who don't care about something like that, or are trolls who just make ridiculously sized "assets" on their female characters and anyone who wants otherwise gets ridiculed by them, and then there are lurkers, who don't post here, in fears they'll get hassled the way I did. (Not by you, per say, you are reasonable, but there were others who were posting derailing and ridiculous stuff)
My last post to you was basicly about a compromise. You said you coped with current size of "assets" for 4 years. So, If you kept these sizes on aliens, then you'd not be losing anything from the Alien characters, so if you added smaller sizes of TRIBBLE to canon species, which already have a limitation in form of minimum height, I'd not see a problem personally.
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I am not *happy* to force anyone to anything, because I too would love to see more diversity rather than less. But the way things are, I am being forced to something as well, which is equally unfair, which is my issue here, which I'd like to see fixed.
And as to being selfish? I am sure there are people who want this change as well, it's not just me. This is difficult, because there are either people, who don't care about something like that, or are trolls who just make ridiculously sized "assets" on their female characters and anyone who wants otherwise gets ridiculed by them, and then there are lurkers, who don't post here, in fears they'll get hassled the way I did. (Not by you, per say, you are reasonable, but there were others who were posting derailing and ridiculous stuff)
I'm sure there are many people who would like the option to reduce bust size. However you were the one who made this thread and so, unfortunately, got all the attention (both negative and positive).
You only need to look at my post count to see that I myself am more of a lurker then a poster here, but I will chime in when I feel I have something to add. Which I did when I read your comments regarding alien characters and their height.
My last post to you was basicly about a compromise. You said you coped with current size of "assets" for 4 years. So, If you kept these sizes on aliens, then you'd not be losing anything from the Alien characters, so if you added smaller sizes of TRIBBLE to canon species, which already have a limitation in form of minimum height, I'd not see a problem personally.
That seems like a fair compromise to me, it would give you what you want and not take away from those who want their small alien character. Essentially preserving what we have now but with extra options
I can always put up a better picture of her when I get home, but as you can see, she is not exactly large. Ok, she is not completely flat, but she is hardly well endowed, and is pretty much the same as Tasha was in the show.
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The 0 to 1 bar on the bust slider will make your character downright Flat. Also, you never saw a picture of Pamela Anderson, that's for sure.
I mean if you want some asexual aliens, a no-bust option may be good for aliens, but on a human it would look childish. Saurians as lizard, they should not have TRIBBLE, but humans are not lizards right?
No, please keep the bust slider as it is.
I do not want to get hit by the flat-ray, nor see child-like humans and such run around.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
eliminating super small aliens (most of the canon aliens do have a minimum height limited, so I don't think that'd be any unfair) would fix the problem, without punishing all females with being forced to have C-sized cups minimum.
From that quote jodarkrider stated that they would fix the problem by eliminating small aliens as an option.
If that's not taking away something then I don't know what is.
As I said in my previous posts, I support jodarkrider's request for more lower end scale options in the bust slider. The only problem I had was with their earlier insistance in removing small aliens as a solution.
However, jodarkrider has since suggested this compromise
My last post to you was basicly about a compromise. You said you coped with current size of "assets" for 4 years. So, If you kept these sizes on aliens, then you'd not be losing anything from the Alien characters, so if you added smaller sizes of TRIBBLE to canon species, which already have a limitation in form of minimum height, I'd not see a problem personally.
I do not want to get hit by the flat-ray, nor see child-like humans and such run around.
People intolerant as you have no value for me when it comes to this suggestion. The whole "You can't practice your rights of choice because I do not like it" argument makes your post yet another waste of space, so please pack your baggage of intolerance and walk away, nobody would force your character to look flat and that's all you have right to decide about, thank you.
@Daboholic - glad we see things similary and were able to present more viable, compromise version, where people only gain options and not lose any.
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As you can see in that picture (with the bust slider about half way) it is far from compulsory for a canon race (Betazoid in this case) to be well endowed.
As you can see in that picture (with the bust slider about half way) it is far from compulsory for a canon race (Betazoid in this case) to be well endowed.
I've played with the sliders plenty.
As discovered, the geometry enlarges the "assets" when you alter the torso bulk. Left it to minimum for now, whereas having shoulders bulk/width to high setting does not affect the "asset" size. I am not happy with the result, as most costumes still look crappy and unnecessarily endowed, unless I wear black... and then the unnatural, gravity refusing shape of the balloons from front size ruins it, unless I wear my tactical combat specialist kit over it to hide it, but then my character looks like a robot... <.<
PS: Your link no workie for me.
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As discovered, the geometry enlarges the "assets" when you alter the torso bulk. Left it to minimum for now, whereas having shoulders bulk/width to high setting does not affect the "asset" size. I am not happy with the result, as most costumes still look crappy and unnecessarily endowed, unless I wear black... and then the unnatural, gravity refusing shape of the balloons from front size ruins it, unless I wear my tactical combat specialist kit over it to hide it, but then my character looks like a robot... <.<
Well I must admit I would have expected a correlation between chest bulk and bust size myself. I was until recently wearing yellow on my main toon and I felt that too showy but I dare not touch the character proportions lest I spend the next week trying to get them right, I'd already spent at least 3 hours fine tuning her... Black is working for me now, it's just tidier on my character.
I'll do some playing with the sliders and should I come across an acceptable look that conforms to the image I have in my head of what you're looking for I'll post it here.
PS: Your link no workie for me.
I noticed this myself, I think they may have a day's lease on them, I've refreshed and tested it here and it works for me.
EDIT: I threw this together in a few minutes, I think the bust may be more perky than you want and she may be a bit on the slim side but the proportions are fairly accurate and she's certainly got the 'works out' look about her arms and legs.
People intolerant as you have no value for me when it comes to this suggestion. The whole "You can't practice your rights of choice because I do not like it" argument makes your post yet another waste of space, so please pack your baggage of intolerance and walk away, nobody would force your character to look flat and that's all you have right to decide about, thank you.
@Daboholic - glad we see things similary and were able to present more viable, compromise version, where people only gain options and not lose any.
So you really want human and such females looking like little girls that much? I mean, if that is your thing, whatever, but at least NPCs should look like adults of their species. It would be odd for most people to run into their ship crew and have them look like well, 12 year olds. Well the female ones.
I mean with aliens its understandable, they need not be mammals after all. Or even have genders for that matter, but I doubt the game engine can do that. I wonder why are there female Remans, but not Letheans and such.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
So you really want human and such females looking like little girls that much? I mean, if that is your thing, whatever, but at least NPCs should look like adults of their species. It would be odd for most people to run into their ship crew and have them look like well, 12 year olds. Well the female ones.
I mean with aliens its understandable, they need not be mammals after all. Or even have genders for that matter, but I doubt the game engine can do that. I wonder why are there female Remans, but not Letheans and such.
Have you bothered reading my post at all? I want more flat chest for more androgynous/muscular/athletic female character, I don't care about some kids. I don't want to change NPC's, I want that option for me and other people, who'd be happy to see less balloon smuggling on their female characters... sheesh, people like you are just hopeless.
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Have you bothered reading my post at all? I want more flat chest for more androgynous/muscular/athletic female character, I don't care about some kids. I don't want to change NPC's, I want that option for me and other people, who'd be happy to see less balloon smuggling on their female characters... sheesh, people like you are just hopeless.
You can already do the athletic and muscular easily enough. Especially on an alien, you can make a musclebound giant of either gender.
Though for androgynous I think you need to change the face. Which is not possible now, since some stuff are locked to male or female models. Which will most likely stay due to PG ratings and such.
Dont blame me for that, I would be happy if females could wear a formal suit and not just a dress.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
So you really want human and such females looking like little girls that much? I mean, if that is your thing, whatever, but at least NPCs should look like adults of their species. It would be odd for most people to run into their ship crew and have them look like well, 12 year olds. Well the female ones.
I have yet to see any 12-year-old that stands a minimum of 5'9" (for normal humanoids; Ferengi and Tellarites are shorter). You're an idiot if you think small TRIBBLE = not adult-looking. And, newsflash: the alien generator can already make females that really do look like kids.
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You can already do the athletic and muscular easily enough. Especially on an alien, you can make a musclebound giant of either gender.
Though for androgynous I think you need to change the face. Which is not possible now, since some stuff are locked to male or female models. Which will most likely stay due to PG ratings and such.
Dont blame me for that, I would be happy if females could wear a formal suit and not just a dress.
I want a muscular female with little "assets" tho, not some lizard thing, sorry. So, yes, I want smaller TRIBBLE... How hard is it to accept that all it does is, offers more choices for the individuals, while not being forced to using it, if you do not want to use it... tolerance here, please?
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Guys, guys... as much as I dislike tpalelena, and I do, this isn't about idiocy ot any other form of lacking intelligence so please, back to the topic at hand.
I have posted a couple of pictures of characters I've genned up see
I don't think it is possible to completely remove the character's bust and still have the muscular look, but I personally think that fair from a design and real life relationship point of view. Though as stated in the first post I put this link in, the character does have the desired look in her shoulders, legs and arms while remaining proportionate at the same time.
Guys, guys... as much as I dislike tpalelena, and I do, this isn't about idiocy ot any other form of lacking intelligence so please, back to the topic at hand.
I have posted a couple of pictures of characters I've genned up see
I don't think it is possible to completely remove the character's bust and still have the muscular look, but I personally think that fair from a design and real life relationship point of view. Though as stated in the first post I put this link in, the character does have the desired look in her shoulders, legs and arms while remaining proportionate at the same time.
This is very close to what I have, my shoulders are wider tho and it looks nice, until you look up front - the size looks decent-ish, but front look ruins it...
Tbh, if they altered the shape from front, and make the costumes to hide them more, I'd probably not even complain, as in real life the clothing you wear often can hide stuff like that, if you try enough... I get mistaken for a guy on regular basis in RL. In tribble, the unnatural too thin belly/waist proportion seems to be thicker (and waist size does not fix the too thin middle size, it only makes your buttt bigger, sadly), so I liked that, but sadly... the "assets" are still too visible.
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Pretty much this, my only real gripe is that the TRIBBLE are only drawn parted, if there was a slider or something for the parting I'd be happier, I could have them together which would be tidier again but that's not the end of the world especially as most of the time I'm seeing things from behind my character.
The only way to get the full customisation capability of the creator is to make an alien and then model them on whatever canon race you want to, which is easy enough, the problem then is getting all your stuffs again :P
EDIT: I think I see what you mean from the front view, I would try a combination of reducing the shoulder width and increasing the hips slider while playing with the stomach size at the same time, between the three you should be able to mitigate the curves and make the bust less pronounced in the process.
EDIT: I think I see what you mean from the front view, I would try a combination of reducing the shoulder width and increasing the hips slider while playing with the stomach size at the same time, between the three you should be able to mitigate the curves and make the bust less pronounced in the process.
The thing is, you can't make the middle size, which is thin any bulkier. Waist slider only alters the butt size, sadly, not the middle proportions of the torso, I've tried that too. The stomach size is set to approx 2 bars, to look less horrible from side, but it does not mitigate the front view problem either. I do want wide shoulders, remember, I am going for a very masculine shape... so making them thinner won't make me any happier. <.<
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The thing is, you can't make the middle size, which is thin any bulkier. Waist slider only alters the butt size, sadly, not the middle proportions of the torso, I've tried that too. I do want wide shoulders, remember, I am going for a very masculine shape... so making them thinner won't make me any happier. <.<
True... I would suggest then (having compared character models) that rather than a smaller bust size option I would request further control over the width of the character's middle. or maybe another pose that offsets it? (I know the "Feminine" pose works in that regard and the "Relaxed" pose to a lesser degree blends the torso curves into it's own.) Beyond that and using the alien race to unlock the full creator I think you've done everything I can think of.
True... I would suggest then (having compared character models) that rather than a smaller bust size option I would request further control over the width of the character's middle. or maybe another pose that offsets it? (I know the "Feminine" pose works in that regard and the "Relaxed" pose to a lesser degree blends the torso curves into it's own.) Beyond that and using the alien race to unlock the full creator I think you've done everything I can think of.
Well, ideally, I want smaller bust size, with fixing the middle size of torso to be bulkier too, so no anorectic thin waist/belly sizes we have now, which only underline the "assets". That'd be of course, the ideal course of action - for now, I am content (doesn't mean fully happy tho) with my character, but if they make nice alterations, all good.
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Guys, guys... as much as I dislike tpalelena, and I do, this isn't about idiocy ot any other form of lacking intelligence so please, back to the topic at hand.
I have posted a couple of pictures of characters I've genned up see
I don't think it is possible to completely remove the character's bust and still have the muscular look, but I personally think that fair from a design and real life relationship point of view. Though as stated in the first post I put this link in, the character does have the desired look in her shoulders, legs and arms while remaining proportionate at the same time.
Our hate is very mutual like two planets gravity, but yes the waist does need a slider. Especially for males though, where it is really too narrow.
As for OP, very wide shoulders does make the bust bigger (and oddly pulled apart) .... so what is flat on a thin shape, may not be flat on a body builder shape.
You got me there, I did not think about that.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
As for OP, very wide shoulders does make the bust bigger (and oddly pulled apart) .... so what is flat on a thin shape, may not be flat on a body builder shape.
You got me there, I did not think about that.
Funnily enough I've just been playing with the character creator and noticed that myself. Everything looked fine and I even managed to get something that looked fairly flat. That is until I moved the shoulder width out. As soon as I did that the pulled apart bust became really noticeable and looked horrible.
It looks bad pulled out no matter what size you like or want, yeah. I tried to add more shoulder width so that the hands dont clip with the belts, but I had to abort that plan due to it.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Indeed, I would suggest the middle of the chest needs a width slider and the bust parting should also have a slider or an "on/off" option, regrettably this would involve redrawing all the character models, something I'm sure the art team doesn't have time for.
OP: Start a male toon, give it a female name, move sliders as you see fit. This solves all aesthetic concerns and leaves you harping on the word "female/male" under the character's name.
As for me, it still makes me giggle when I enable my armor visuals and it has to draw huge, shiny cones in the front.
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Where in the fourms that is though... well... good luck searching for it.
anyway ... vote right!
Alas, if you cope with how things are, why do you have a problem having the bust size for females for alien characters the way it is now, while other, canon species get the lesser size? That would be okay, no? Following your logic, you 'coped' with that size on alien characters for 4 years as well....
Then I still think the small, kid-sized male aliens look like kids more than anything else and the whole argument is lame.
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I have no problem with you or anyone else asking for changes to be made in the game. I have seen some truly great ideas being posted on these forums. However, if you think other people should be made to change the way their character looks so you can have your character look how you want then yes, I think that is selfish.
What if I decided there was something I wanted changing about my character but the only way for me to get it would be to make your character have long hair? What would you think of me? You'd think I was being selfish wouldn't you?
I'm having trouble understanding your meaning here but I'll answer as best I can.
I have no problem with the bust slider the way it is now, nor do I have any issues with 2 feet tall aliens. However if the Devs want to add more options (they key word being add) then I would be happy for them to do so, infinite diversity in infinite combinations as the Vulcans would say.
It would seem you and I are at cross purposes, I support that you want to make your character look how you want it to. All I have a problem with is the hypocrisy of you being quite happy for others to be forced to change how their characters look just so you can have what you want.
And as to being selfish? I am sure there are people who want this change as well, it's not just me. This is difficult, because there are either people, who don't care about something like that, or are trolls who just make ridiculously sized "assets" on their female characters and anyone who wants otherwise gets ridiculed by them, and then there are lurkers, who don't post here, in fears they'll get hassled the way I did. (Not by you, per say, you are reasonable, but there were others who were posting derailing and ridiculous stuff)
My last post to you was basicly about a compromise. You said you coped with current size of "assets" for 4 years. So, If you kept these sizes on aliens, then you'd not be losing anything from the Alien characters, so if you added smaller sizes of TRIBBLE to canon species, which already have a limitation in form of minimum height, I'd not see a problem personally.
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I'm sure there are many people who would like the option to reduce bust size. However you were the one who made this thread and so, unfortunately, got all the attention (both negative and positive).
You only need to look at my post count to see that I myself am more of a lurker then a poster here, but I will chime in when I feel I have something to add. Which I did when I read your comments regarding alien characters and their height.
That seems like a fair compromise to me, it would give you what you want and not take away from those who want their small alien character. Essentially preserving what we have now but with extra options
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I can always put up a better picture of her when I get home, but as you can see, she is not exactly large. Ok, she is not completely flat, but she is hardly well endowed, and is pretty much the same as Tasha was in the show.
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I mean if you want some asexual aliens, a no-bust option may be good for aliens, but on a human it would look childish. Saurians as lizard, they should not have TRIBBLE, but humans are not lizards right?
No, please keep the bust slider as it is.
I do not want to get hit by the flat-ray, nor see child-like humans and such run around.
Let me paint a picture for you.
The current breast scale slider: |3--4--5--6--7--8--9--10|
jodarkrider's proposed breast scale slider: |0--1--2--3--4--5--6--7--8--9--10|
See? Nothing taken away. Just additions. No current character would have to be changed at all. There would merely be more options being presented.
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Well let me paint a picture for you.
From that quote jodarkrider stated that they would fix the problem by eliminating small aliens as an option.
If that's not taking away something then I don't know what is.
As I said in my previous posts, I support jodarkrider's request for more lower end scale options in the bust slider. The only problem I had was with their earlier insistance in removing small aliens as a solution.
However, jodarkrider has since suggested this compromise
Which I though was a workable solution.
@Daboholic - glad we see things similary and were able to present more viable, compromise version, where people only gain options and not lose any.
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This I can get behind, in the meantime however I urge you to continue playing with sliders and proportions until you find a combination you like.
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resi...BrA9jHqC1Y&v=3
As you can see in that picture (with the bust slider about half way) it is far from compulsory for a canon race (Betazoid in this case) to be well endowed.
As discovered, the geometry enlarges the "assets" when you alter the torso bulk. Left it to minimum for now, whereas having shoulders bulk/width to high setting does not affect the "asset" size. I am not happy with the result, as most costumes still look crappy and unnecessarily endowed, unless I wear black... and then the unnatural, gravity refusing shape of the balloons from front size ruins it, unless I wear my tactical combat specialist kit over it to hide it, but then my character looks like a robot... <.<
PS: Your link no workie for me.
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Well I must admit I would have expected a correlation between chest bulk and bust size myself. I was until recently wearing yellow on my main toon and I felt that too showy but I dare not touch the character proportions lest I spend the next week trying to get them right, I'd already spent at least 3 hours fine tuning her... Black is working for me now, it's just tidier on my character.
I'll do some playing with the sliders and should I come across an acceptable look that conforms to the image I have in my head of what you're looking for I'll post it here.
I noticed this myself, I think they may have a day's lease on them, I've refreshed and tested it here and it works for me.
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=1D51A419418C36C7!1017&v=3
EDIT: I threw this together in a few minutes, I think the bust may be more perky than you want and she may be a bit on the slim side but the proportions are fairly accurate and she's certainly got the 'works out' look about her arms and legs.
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=1D51A419418C36C7!1018&authkey=!ABoeCtOSCgHOGHM&v=3
So you really want human and such females looking like little girls that much? I mean, if that is your thing, whatever, but at least NPCs should look like adults of their species. It would be odd for most people to run into their ship crew and have them look like well, 12 year olds. Well the female ones.
I mean with aliens its understandable, they need not be mammals after all. Or even have genders for that matter, but I doubt the game engine can do that. I wonder why are there female Remans, but not Letheans and such.
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You can already do the athletic and muscular easily enough. Especially on an alien, you can make a musclebound giant of either gender.
Though for androgynous I think you need to change the face. Which is not possible now, since some stuff are locked to male or female models. Which will most likely stay due to PG ratings and such.
Dont blame me for that, I would be happy if females could wear a formal suit and not just a dress.
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I have posted a couple of pictures of characters I've genned up see
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=1D51A419418C36C7!131&authkey=!ABXHwBrA9jHqC1Y
I don't think it is possible to completely remove the character's bust and still have the muscular look, but I personally think that fair from a design and real life relationship point of view. Though as stated in the first post I put this link in, the character does have the desired look in her shoulders, legs and arms while remaining proportionate at the same time.
Side View
Front View
Tbh, if they altered the shape from front, and make the costumes to hide them more, I'd probably not even complain, as in real life the clothing you wear often can hide stuff like that, if you try enough... I get mistaken for a guy on regular basis in RL. In tribble, the unnatural too thin belly/waist proportion seems to be thicker (and waist size does not fix the too thin middle size, it only makes your buttt bigger, sadly), so I liked that, but sadly... the "assets" are still too visible.
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Pretty much this, my only real gripe is that the TRIBBLE are only drawn parted, if there was a slider or something for the parting I'd be happier, I could have them together which would be tidier again but that's not the end of the world especially as most of the time I'm seeing things from behind my character.
The only way to get the full customisation capability of the creator is to make an alien and then model them on whatever canon race you want to, which is easy enough, the problem then is getting all your stuffs again :P
EDIT: I think I see what you mean from the front view, I would try a combination of reducing the shoulder width and increasing the hips slider while playing with the stomach size at the same time, between the three you should be able to mitigate the curves and make the bust less pronounced in the process.
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True... I would suggest then (having compared character models) that rather than a smaller bust size option I would request further control over the width of the character's middle. or maybe another pose that offsets it? (I know the "Feminine" pose works in that regard and the "Relaxed" pose to a lesser degree blends the torso curves into it's own.) Beyond that and using the alien race to unlock the full creator I think you've done everything I can think of.
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Our hate is very mutual like two planets gravity, but yes the waist does need a slider. Especially for males though, where it is really too narrow.
As for OP, very wide shoulders does make the bust bigger (and oddly pulled apart) .... so what is flat on a thin shape, may not be flat on a body builder shape.
You got me there, I did not think about that.
As am I
Funnily enough I've just been playing with the character creator and noticed that myself. Everything looked fine and I even managed to get something that looked fairly flat. That is until I moved the shoulder width out. As soon as I did that the pulled apart bust became really noticeable and looked horrible.
This is why one-person requests are often ignored by games, they aim to please the majority.
Though I would love quad Antiprotons and elite fleet antiproton weapons with CritX2 CrtdX2 modifiers....
As for me, it still makes me giggle when I enable my armor visuals and it has to draw huge, shiny cones in the front.