Well, tbh, if they limited height sizes in the alien creator, similar to what most races have, in terms of height, it'd be only fair - how exactly is it fair to be forced to C-sized cups as minimum with every female you make, just because alien creator allows lesser height compared to other races?
Like I told you, if the solution to a character creation limit is to add another character creation limit, I am sorry but I have to pass.
I see developpers answeirng here occassionaly.. any chance I could have an answer on this issue from the dev team? Thank you.
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Well if A-cups are not allowed because people are afraid others will create little girls and ERP then how about B-cups? Tasha Yar or Janeway sized B-cups? That would allow some to have a smaller breast size if they want it and not take anything away from anyone else. Or just make the alien character model a different one with C-cups.
Another thought if someone did create a small female child and ERP i would hope that if /when they are reported that Cryptic forwards all relevent info to the FBI so they could investigate the disgusting degenerate and maybe get a child molester off the streets and hopefully before they do it in real life.
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I noticed this while working on my tactical officer, when I wanted to be a like Yar in terms of body shape (One of my favorite characters) I couldn't. So I ended up just covering her body in heavy armour.
Also, hate the fact they have the shave thing on guys, I tried hard to make my male captain feminine, large hips, short, long hair, but couldn't get rid of that.
Maybe we could just have the ability to make masculine or feminine women and men respectively.
Pretty please
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When I built my Trill science officer I was trying for almost the complete opposite build from my XO, an Andorian tac who I made really curvy, though not all-the-way-to-the-right curvy. This is the best I could do with the Trill:
My captain is more towards the right in bust size, but also slimmer and somewhat more muscular:
I agree with the OP's suggestion of lowering the bottom end of the bust size slider, and I think an additional waist slider would also be useful (for starters, for creating properly tubby Pakled if you're interested in that kind of thing; I'm not). But you haven't really explored all the options. For starters, I wish Skyrim gave me the option to independently adjust a character's overall height, as well as her torso length and leg length. Reduce the character's height and lengthen and bulk up the legs and torso and you may get closer to where you want to be.
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I have to disagree with the OP, I have made many a female character in this game, and most of their bust sliders are in the 3rd segment of the bar and due to a lot of fine tuning of the other proportions they would look completely wrong if they weren't. My recommendation if you really want an athletic look would be to run the minimum on the bust slider, tone down the shoulders from where your posted pictures have them while simultaneously bringing up the lower bars to bring things into line.
Another suggestion would be to use a darker colour on the uniform as it'll effectively tone things down, I for one moved from yellow to black recently because I decided the yellow was too showy.
Alright, just to make a point what's wrong, once again, even after some of the suggestions, tested on my poor character, to prove that none of the suggestion worked, and in my eyes, the character looks even worse, more comic'ish with the settings, not even reducing the bust size. With this, I am done trying to justify my character to you, guys, sorry.
I reduced the shoulder, neck and body bulk.. guess what.. now she looks even less natural, and not even close to what I'd imagine. Bust are still huge, despite of making some suggested alteration. It also reminded me why I wanted to make her bulkier too - if you reduce shoulders, etc, she gets horribly tiny, so her head looks like... unnaturally, comic-ish sized, compared to body. Not to mention, that I really want a bulkier character (not TRIBBLE, but shoulders). The shoulders and hands are horribly thin/small when i take the sliders off. And yes, the head is as disproportional and huge, and it's size is set to like, one bar only.
Again - compare it to the Trek women pictures.. they look much bulkier than this, just look at the shoulders, for crying out loud. And they have also much more tighty uniform than my character is supposedly wearing, so shouldn't the "assets" being visible even less...?
On the one picture, you have a ill fitting uniform on a no-name guest star, in the second picture, well, if you saw her playboy pics (yes Denise posed for Playboy during her TNG Days) well, she isnt quite that busty as she appears....
Do me a favour and read my post above, where I tried to "fix it", according to the advices given here.
Now, tell me, does the result look anywhere close to this? This is find 100 differences game:
No. Her shoulders are much wider, much closer to my character of the left, which I photoshopped, but reposting especially for those who don't bother reading my thread and are too busy saying how wrong I am.
Really shame people have to resort to trying to "correct" me, and then, even if I show them what the problem is, they don't bother reading.
Geneave Bujould isnt considered Canon, she never made it onscreen and quit after a day.
I specifically commented on the "children" argument, posting picture of Tasha Yarr, who looks very flat-chested and yet doesn't look like a child. That argument is totally invalid. Also, I can accept you like bigger ones, but don't be selfish and think of people who might not like it as such - it may be a cosmetic change, but there's nothing wrong about wanting to be represented the way it is nice to me, and perhaps (hopefully, damnit!!) several other, who want something decent and not as oversized...
I also don't see why decent people would have to suffer because there are couple of cavemen. It's really the same argument, why some things are done, to prevent cheating and other stuff. That's why there's a ban, if you want to get technical. And, looking at the structure of the character models, I even don't think any of it would look like a child, even if you downsized their height. Let alone, you can downsize males to small heights too.. do they look like children? No. Again, this argument is invalid. There are more ways to prevent that, than just forbid flat-chested females. The worst (best, yes plz) what'd happen (and yes, that'd be nice), that people could not distinguish my female from a male character.
Let me begin with I understand the desire to not be that 'top heavy' for lack of a better phrase. But comparing the 5'8" Tasha Yar and what could be done by making a minimum height character is not good. The issue is not proper adult sizes with small busts. It is that you could make a shorter charater that way. This game is now international and must conform to international laws. That means it obeys the laws of the countries it supports.
In the US a drawing of someone underaged (or appearing underaged) is not child TRIBBLE. But in Germany, it is. Because different people find different things offensive they created minimums to offset risk. Because for every person that intends to make a natural looking person you will have three that will abuse the system specifically to cause grief.
So in effect you are being punished because there are those out there that cannot be trusted.
Best solution that they could do is place an adjustment on the height slider. As you lower height the minimum bust goes up. That way no one could make a 'child' avatar.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
anyways.... here's one of my chars. Drexela is a character that I didn't do with the intention of having small assets. I was really just trying for a character that looked gruff and kinda angsty. But it came out that way. As you can see, I didn't even turn the sliders all the way down.
Well, I've checked Tribble, because I was actually interested in some new content, and well, helping to test out bugs never hurts too. As a side note, I like the fact they made the females a bit thicker (ie the waist proportion a bit less anorectic now), but the problem remains unaddressed, when it comes to "asset" size. I for one would like to see smaller, quite frankly, because more choices do not hurt anyone, and it gives a nice choice and diversity as well.
Also, I've spoken to my friend, who's been playing the game since release... he's told me that the developpers have never made a statement of "assets" being big because of some child issue. But even if it was the case, why they'd go all along the way, and allow super small characters like they currently do? Because I can tell you, when I see a small character, it looks like a kid, no matter what, especially if it's a male - you don't see the "stub" shadow on their face, if you are not directly facing them. So, it seems more like a lazy excuse to me; if that was the case.. eliminating super small aliens (most of the canon aliens do have a minimum height limited, so I don't think that'd be any unfair) would fix the problem, without punishing all females with being forced to have C-sized cups minimum.
As a side note - geometry in the model, when I alter the bulk of the torso, the "assets" get bigger too, when it should not be happening. When I alter the shoulders width and bulk, the "assets" do not get bigger.
I really wish this would get some fix it deserves, so I'm just gonna wait, hope and see.
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I agree that there is an imbalance on the bust slider. If it goes from 2 beach balls down your top at one extreme, you would think the opposite extreme would be an almost flat chested appearance, however.....
eliminating super small aliens (most of the canon aliens do have a minimum height limited, so I don't think that'd be any unfair) would fix the problem, without punishing all females with being forced to have C-sized cups minimum.
Your solution seems to be to punish those who want to create a small alien. It seems you're okay with other people being forced to conform to body shapes and sizes so long as you get what you want.
Let me begin with I understand the desire to not be that 'top heavy' for lack of a better phrase. But comparing the 5'8" Tasha Yar and what could be done by making a minimum height character is not good. The issue is not proper adult sizes with small busts. It is that you could make a shorter charater that way. This game is now international and must conform to international laws. That means it obeys the laws of the countries it supports.
In the US a drawing of someone underaged (or appearing underaged) is not child TRIBBLE. But in Germany, it is. Because different people find different things offensive they created minimums to offset risk. Because for every person that intends to make a natural looking person you will have three that will abuse the system specifically to cause grief.
So in effect you are being punished because there are those out there that cannot be trusted.
Best solution that they could do is place an adjustment on the height slider. As you lower height the minimum bust goes up. That way no one could make a 'child' avatar.
In Champions Online (another cryptic game, same engine) you could make a character looking like a child. And the possible clothing options are much more daring than in STO. There is probably rule that you are not allowed to make a half naked child but it would be possible. So I kind of doubt that the law is an issue.
I agree that there is an imbalance on the bust slider. If it goes from 2 beach balls down your top at one extreme, you would think the opposite extreme would be an almost flat chested appearance, however.....
Your solution seems to be to punish those who want to create a small alien. It seems you're okay with other people being forced to conform to body shapes and sizes so long as you get what you want.
Well, it'd be much more fair that way. Canon species do have a limitation to minimal size/height slider. So how exactly would that be unfair, compared to the fact that now *all* female species are stuck to smuggling balloons under their uniforms, hm?
Also, I believe part of the problem is the shape of "assets" too. They kind of... refuse gravity and the shape seems somewhat unnatural too.
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In Champions Online (another cryptic game, same engine) you could make a character looking like a child. And the possible clothing options are much more daring than in STO. There is probably rule that you are not allowed to make a half naked child but it would be possible. So I kind of doubt that the law is an issue.
Then sadly I can find no good excuse for them. I know on other sandbox settings the stated intent was to avoid lawsuits. (Second Life) So no clue now.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
The editor just isn't that good in STO. It's a microcosm of the game itself. While it's possible to create some really unique looking members of one race, on another, the same slider really doesn't change much. All the sliders do is stretch and pull what is essentially, the base model for that species. Curiously, just like in RL, shrinking a woman's frame, doesn't shrink her ta-tas. A middling B-cup will still look huge on a small woman. Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on your POV, until they make breast size an option like hairstyle, and not a slider, flat chested women shall remain impossible on the character editor. Which isn't such an outrageous thought, when you consider this:
Biologically speaking, would alien females even have TRIBBLE, when TRIBBLE evolved to
attract human males?
There is one thing though. They limited the editor. When I first started you could make a few stretches to a basic frame and still be human/Vulcan/etc. But making an alien you could accidentally erase your nose by pinching it too much in the editor. After a few patches that effect was gone. So why can't they unlock the bosom slider to go lower?
If as someone pointed out, it isn't a legal issue, then what is it?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Well, it'd be much more fair that way. Canon species do have a limitation to minimal size/height slider. So how exactly would that be unfair, compared to the fact that now *all* female species are stuck to smuggling balloons under their uniforms, hm?
Also, I believe part of the problem is the shape of "assets" too. They kind of... refuse gravity and the shape seems somewhat unnatural too.
How would it be unfair? You are asking for others to have their choices restricted so you can have what you want and you don't see the problem?
PS: To avoid confusion - This thread is about the lowest slider size of bust reduced to small/flat ones, not about taking the option of large busts from others. Trek is about diversity, so I'd never think of taking away choices from others, so this is simply to add more options for those, who don't want to run around with huge TRIBBLE, despite of their slider being reduced to absolute minimum. Thank you.
This quote is taken from your OP, I've highlighted in red the relevant point.
What you're saying is people should be able to have as many choices as they want unless it conflicts with what you want. You are being completely hypocritical, you preach that others shouldn't dictate how your character looks, yet seek to impose restrictions on others to suit your own needs.
If as someone pointed out, it isn't a legal issue, then what is it?
Maybe its an engine limitation, maybe it's because they didn't anticipate the desire to make athletic female characters?
I don't know about you but I took my character's bust slider from about halfway to minimum and it just didn't look natural at all, though that might be because I did all the other sliders to make her proportionately correct.
In Champions Online (another cryptic game, same engine) you could make a character looking like a child. And the possible clothing options are much more daring than in STO. There is probably rule that you are not allowed to make a half naked child but it would be possible. So I kind of doubt that the law is an issue.
DCUO is actually written specifically with the intent of allowing players to play as teenage superheroes. Soooo... yeah.
One thought that occurs to me is that it might be a directive from CBS. It really doesn't make sense for a kid to be a Federation admiral....
It could be an CBS issue yes. And I agree that a child superhero makes more sense that a child starship captain.
As for the engine, CO has the same and I can do this and that. I could see why they do not want the 2nd happening in STO. It might really look wrong in a trek environment.
But it might be possible to just lock the bust slider if your size is too small? Or just don't give the option to aliens. Or maybe the whole child thing is not even part of the problem.
How would it be unfair? You are asking for others to have their choices restricted so you can have what you want and you don't see the problem?
This quote is taken from your OP, I've highlighted in red the relevant point.
What you're saying is people should be able to have as many choices as they want unless it conflicts with what you want. You are being completely hypocritical, you preach that others shouldn't dictate how your character looks, yet seek to impose restrictions on others to suit your own needs.
The thing is, if the child issue is really the problem, then the choice has been taken from me and *every* female character. No matter the species. If All species had lock on height (which EVERY species do, EXCEPT the alien one), then it'd be much fairer than what it is now. I really don't understand how you can see my view as unfair.
But the point is imo moot - there's no issue as to legality... and if it was, frankly, disallowing small aliens would be the way to do it, as no matter what, male small aliens will look like kids if you make them tiny, do you think anyone cares about small facial shadow, especially if you don't face the character up close? It's so not noticeable, so it makes the whole 'excuse' with kids even more ridiculous and a proof there's no such issue.
So yes, I'd rather see smaller characters gone (as in ridiculously/kid small), as you can't do that with other species either, than to be forced with *every* single female character to be overly shaped.
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I don't see what's wrong about wanting to have the character the way I want it. And I am not the only one who'd want to see the change - because frankly, most people would make the calculation, that making the minimal setting smaller than it is wouldn't hurt them in any way. I don't see how it's a crusade, when all what is requested here, is more choices for female characters, which in my opinion, could be much less "asseted", to have actually athletic/more flat options. So thank you for your useless post, mister.
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The thing is, if the child issue is really the problem, then the choice has been taken from me and *every* female character. No matter the species. If All species had lock on height (which EVERY species do, EXCEPT the alien one), then it'd be much fairer than what it is now. I really don't understand how you can see my view as unfair.
But the point is imo moot - there's no issue as to legality... and if it was, frankly, disallowing small aliens would be the way to do it, as no matter what, male small aliens will look like kids if you make them tiny, do you think anyone cares about small facial shadow, especially if you don't face the character up close? It's so not noticeable, so it makes the whole 'excuse' with kids even more ridiculous and a proof there's no such issue.
So yes, I'd rather see smaller characters gone (as in ridiculously/kid small), as you can't do that with other species either, than to be forced with *every* single female character to be overly shaped.
I never said your view is unfair, I called you a hypocrite, because you preach that no-one has the right to dictate what your character looks like then say others should be made to make their toons conform to certain restrictions just so you can have what you want. How can you not see the hypocrisy of that?
If Cryptic had given aliens a minimum height at launch then fair enough, but what you want is for people who have made small toons, possibly as far back as launch, to be forced to conform to a minimum height for your own selfish reasons.
Look at it from the other side. If the bust slider allowed for flat chested from launch and all aliens had to be 5 feet tall minimum. How would you feel after almost 4 years if someone asked to be allowed to make smaller aliens and said you should be forced to make your character have a huge bust to allow it?
I never said your view is unfair, I called you a hypocrite, because you preach that no-one has the right to dictate what your character looks like then say others should be made to make their toons conform to certain restrictions just so you can have what you want. How can you not see the hypocrisy of that?
If Cryptic had given aliens a minimum height at launch then fair enough, but what you want is for people who have made small toons, possibly as far back as launch, to be forced to conform to a minimum height for your own selfish reasons.
Look at it from the other side. If the bust slider allowed for flat chested from launch and all aliens had to be 5 feet tall minimum. How would you feel after almost 4 years if someone asked to be allowed to make smaller aliens and said you should be forced to make your character have a huge bust to allow it?
How is it for my selfish reasons? Sheesh, it's been unfair like that for female characters since launch. How about making it less unfair? You know, this is sad actually.. if people make ridiculous demands, much less reasonable than this, they don't get as much hassles, as when it comes to females, which are mostly played by dudes, who do not care, so requests like the one I posted will of course, get ridiculed and chastisized.
I for one do not want any limits to anything, but if I had to choose, then yes, it'd be fairer to remove the ridiculously small kid-sized aliens, than to have *every species of female gender* confined to having C-sized cups minimum, as it is now.
Also, I am done discussing the kid issue, which is probably not even the case here, both told by my veteran friend who's been playing since release, and said there's been no statement from official sources about that, as well as proof that other games done on the same engine have kid characters no problem.
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Beacuse you seem to have no problem making other people have their toons changed to things they don't want, but don't like it when it's your toon that isn't how you want it.
Sheesh, it's been unfair like that for female characters since launch. How about making it less unfair? You know, this is sad actually.. if people make ridiculous demands, much less reasonable than this, they don't get as much hassles, as when it comes to females, which are mostly played by dudes, who do not care, so requests like the one I posted will of course, get ridiculed and chastisized.
For what it's worth I support your suggestion to have the minimum bust size reduced. None of my toons have a bust size over 2 bars and several are on the minum setting. However I don't support forcing others to have restrictions placed on them to achieve it.
I for one do not want any limits to anything, but if I had to choose, then yes, it'd be fairer to remove the ridiculously small kid-sized aliens, than to have *every species of female gender* confined to having C-sized cups minimum, as it is now.
Actually leaving things as they are would be fairer. The character creator has had small aliens and a rather large minimum bust size for almost 4 years and most people seem to cope with it.
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Another thought if someone did create a small female child and ERP i would hope that if /when they are reported that Cryptic forwards all relevent info to the FBI so they could investigate the disgusting degenerate and maybe get a child molester off the streets and hopefully before they do it in real life.
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Also, hate the fact they have the shave thing on guys, I tried hard to make my male captain feminine, large hips, short, long hair, but couldn't get rid of that.
Maybe we could just have the ability to make masculine or feminine women and men respectively.
Pretty please
My captain is more towards the right in bust size, but also slimmer and somewhat more muscular:
I agree with the OP's suggestion of lowering the bottom end of the bust size slider, and I think an additional waist slider would also be useful (for starters, for creating properly tubby Pakled if you're interested in that kind of thing; I'm not). But you haven't really explored all the options. For starters, I wish Skyrim gave me the option to independently adjust a character's overall height, as well as her torso length and leg length. Reduce the character's height and lengthen and bulk up the legs and torso and you may get closer to where you want to be.
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Another suggestion would be to use a darker colour on the uniform as it'll effectively tone things down, I for one moved from yellow to black recently because I decided the yellow was too showy.
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The boob-cling-against-gravity tops aren't helping either.
There are a lot of teenagers over twenty years old with a lot of disposable income, if you get my meaning.
On the one picture, you have a ill fitting uniform on a no-name guest star, in the second picture, well, if you saw her playboy pics (yes Denise posed for Playboy during her TNG Days) well, she isnt quite that busty as she appears....
Geneave Bujould isnt considered Canon, she never made it onscreen and quit after a day.
Let me begin with I understand the desire to not be that 'top heavy' for lack of a better phrase. But comparing the 5'8" Tasha Yar and what could be done by making a minimum height character is not good. The issue is not proper adult sizes with small busts. It is that you could make a shorter charater that way. This game is now international and must conform to international laws. That means it obeys the laws of the countries it supports.
In the US a drawing of someone underaged (or appearing underaged) is not child TRIBBLE. But in Germany, it is. Because different people find different things offensive they created minimums to offset risk. Because for every person that intends to make a natural looking person you will have three that will abuse the system specifically to cause grief.
So in effect you are being punished because there are those out there that cannot be trusted.
Best solution that they could do is place an adjustment on the height slider. As you lower height the minimum bust goes up. That way no one could make a 'child' avatar.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
My character Tsin'xing
Also, I've spoken to my friend, who's been playing the game since release... he's told me that the developpers have never made a statement of "assets" being big because of some child issue. But even if it was the case, why they'd go all along the way, and allow super small characters like they currently do? Because I can tell you, when I see a small character, it looks like a kid, no matter what, especially if it's a male - you don't see the "stub" shadow on their face, if you are not directly facing them. So, it seems more like a lazy excuse to me; if that was the case.. eliminating super small aliens (most of the canon aliens do have a minimum height limited, so I don't think that'd be any unfair) would fix the problem, without punishing all females with being forced to have C-sized cups minimum.
As a side note - geometry in the model, when I alter the bulk of the torso, the "assets" get bigger too, when it should not be happening. When I alter the shoulders width and bulk, the "assets" do not get bigger.
I really wish this would get some fix it deserves, so I'm just gonna wait, hope and see.
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Your solution seems to be to punish those who want to create a small alien. It seems you're okay with other people being forced to conform to body shapes and sizes so long as you get what you want.
In Champions Online (another cryptic game, same engine) you could make a character looking like a child. And the possible clothing options are much more daring than in STO. There is probably rule that you are not allowed to make a half naked child but it would be possible. So I kind of doubt that the law is an issue.
My stomach is clear and my mind is full of bacon!
Also, I believe part of the problem is the shape of "assets" too. They kind of... refuse gravity and the shape seems somewhat unnatural too.
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Then sadly I can find no good excuse for them. I know on other sandbox settings the stated intent was to avoid lawsuits. (Second Life) So no clue now.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
There is one thing though. They limited the editor. When I first started you could make a few stretches to a basic frame and still be human/Vulcan/etc. But making an alien you could accidentally erase your nose by pinching it too much in the editor. After a few patches that effect was gone. So why can't they unlock the bosom slider to go lower?
If as someone pointed out, it isn't a legal issue, then what is it?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
How would it be unfair? You are asking for others to have their choices restricted so you can have what you want and you don't see the problem?
This quote is taken from your OP, I've highlighted in red the relevant point.
What you're saying is people should be able to have as many choices as they want unless it conflicts with what you want. You are being completely hypocritical, you preach that others shouldn't dictate how your character looks, yet seek to impose restrictions on others to suit your own needs.
Maybe its an engine limitation, maybe it's because they didn't anticipate the desire to make athletic female characters?
I don't know about you but I took my character's bust slider from about halfway to minimum and it just didn't look natural at all, though that might be because I did all the other sliders to make her proportionately correct.
One thought that occurs to me is that it might be a directive from CBS. It really doesn't make sense for a kid to be a Federation admiral....
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As for the engine, CO has the same and I can do this and that. I could see why they do not want the 2nd happening in STO. It might really look wrong in a trek environment.
But it might be possible to just lock the bust slider if your size is too small? Or just don't give the option to aliens. Or maybe the whole child thing is not even part of the problem.
My stomach is clear and my mind is full of bacon!
But the point is imo moot - there's no issue as to legality... and if it was, frankly, disallowing small aliens would be the way to do it, as no matter what, male small aliens will look like kids if you make them tiny, do you think anyone cares about small facial shadow, especially if you don't face the character up close? It's so not noticeable, so it makes the whole 'excuse' with kids even more ridiculous and a proof there's no such issue.
So yes, I'd rather see smaller characters gone (as in ridiculously/kid small), as you can't do that with other species either, than to be forced with *every* single female character to be overly shaped.
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I never said your view is unfair, I called you a hypocrite, because you preach that no-one has the right to dictate what your character looks like then say others should be made to make their toons conform to certain restrictions just so you can have what you want. How can you not see the hypocrisy of that?
If Cryptic had given aliens a minimum height at launch then fair enough, but what you want is for people who have made small toons, possibly as far back as launch, to be forced to conform to a minimum height for your own selfish reasons.
Look at it from the other side. If the bust slider allowed for flat chested from launch and all aliens had to be 5 feet tall minimum. How would you feel after almost 4 years if someone asked to be allowed to make smaller aliens and said you should be forced to make your character have a huge bust to allow it?
I for one do not want any limits to anything, but if I had to choose, then yes, it'd be fairer to remove the ridiculously small kid-sized aliens, than to have *every species of female gender* confined to having C-sized cups minimum, as it is now.
Also, I am done discussing the kid issue, which is probably not even the case here, both told by my veteran friend who's been playing since release, and said there's been no statement from official sources about that, as well as proof that other games done on the same engine have kid characters no problem.
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Beacuse you seem to have no problem making other people have their toons changed to things they don't want, but don't like it when it's your toon that isn't how you want it.
For what it's worth I support your suggestion to have the minimum bust size reduced. None of my toons have a bust size over 2 bars and several are on the minum setting. However I don't support forcing others to have restrictions placed on them to achieve it.
Actually leaving things as they are would be fairer. The character creator has had small aliens and a rather large minimum bust size for almost 4 years and most people seem to cope with it.