The best part of the Krenim is the story. At the end of the "Year of Hell". It looked like he didn't build the time ship after all. Or did he later? Plus the Commander of the vessel told Janeway the area was in dispute. And she took the ship around the area. To avoid possible conflict. So its hard to say how big and strong they was at that time. Due to many factors that could happen.
This could be a very interesting story line. And one of my favorites from the Voyager series. Plus a chance to fly one of their ships in a lock box. Why not, it would be fun.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
My FOUR favorite species to be used in Star Trek Online from the Voyager Episodes #4 - Vaadwaur - Humanoid species 6x07 “Dragon's Teeth” - They have the ability to map and maintain subspace corridors. This would make a story with this species moving into the Alpha Quadrant much more plausible. Captain Janeway alludes in the end of the episode that they will likely see this species again. #3Automated Units – Robotic species called Pralor and Kravic - 2x13 “ Prototype” - they fire 'Quantum Resonance Charges' in Star-patterned ships which appear to be torpedo boats! The species have superior strength and reasoning making them excellent Tactical officers #2Voth – Saurian species 3x23 “Distant Origin”- originating on Earth 20+million years before humans. They have broken the transwarp barrier and could easily be written into the STO galaxy. Their ships can cloak and have extraordinary dampening fields. This species has a heightened sense of smell, can use personal cloaks, are cold-blooded, and most importantly can shoot a small biological dart to incapacitate others. #1 - Hierarchy – Humanoid species 6X04 "Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy", 07X15 "The Void", 07X24 "Renaissance Man". This rotund 'thick-skinned' species is from the governmental body composed of the Hierarchy that controls a region of space near the Beta-Delta Quadrant border. This species uses special Assualt class ships with advance surveilance and stealth technology.
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While the Phage might have been cured there are those that still continued to harvest organs because they got used to it.
That was never said nor seen on screen. It really wouldn't make any sense either. They were facing extinction, which led them to do some terrible things. Now that they are cured, it would be great to see them going around helping people with their highly advanced medical technology. Every story doesn't have to be grim and dark, that's not what Star Trek is about.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
First of all I can?t believe Enterprise lost out to DS9...
Second of all YES!!!!!!!! A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!!!!!!!!! Voyager was the only reason I got a Long Range Science Vassal. I loved the series.
Thirdly, most of the problems with "Voyager integration" were covered in novels taking place after Voyager returned home. (Spoiler Alert) The Federation is already supposed to have developed slipstream technology that could take them to and from the delta quadrant (see "Star Trek Voyager: Full Circle"). If STO could somehow integrate this you could have characters jumping to and from whenever necessary. Some character paths have also been outlined (although I have not actually finished the series and don't know what everyone ends up doing...)
I hope you guys read this and if you are I thank you for your time.
See you in space...
Devs, just a reminder: STO Feds and KDF have Transwarp Gates. We could build another one to head there. Or even pull a Project Return and Quantum Slipstream there. The Federation can reach the Delta Quadrant with ease. So that solves the Delta Q. ability to get there (and back!).
I think that the Fed/Klingon Transwarp gates as they currently exist need to have a gate at the receiving end. However, it would work just fine in-story if a disused Borg Transwarp gate is found, or a semi-stable wormhole to the Delta Quadrant.
As a firm believer in Trek telling stories that make us think, pushing beyond bickering over territory, I think the Voth has lots of potential. Just how has their society digested the possibility they're Earthen? Do they blame us for the chaos invoked back home, and/or do they seek to reclaim their birthright? Perhaps they're just curious, a 5-year mission to explore their past, but first (second after Voyager) contact goes horribly wrong?
Another group that stands out from the Voyager alien pantheon is the Telsians. They have different fundamentals to other aliens, easily exploited by the Ferengi (VOY: "Live Fast and Prosper" and VOY: "Critical Care") yet they're spacefaring. 'Gullible people who never prosecute, yet with persuasive methods for determining the truth'.
The internal consistency is one of 'open-ness'. It's a very Trek concept for sure, everyone getting along, but what if it was weaponized? Millenia of applying straightforwardness to build a society might have left them vulnerable at first, but it has likely already been proven effective against other species, as a means of interrogation. Their application of Placate and Confuse, in the belief that we're all better off that way, is a philosophy that creates as many questions as answers, as well as many plot points. The Power of Innocence. A society largely unbridled by the tedium of self-preservation. Awesome at some things, maybe not at others. Parallels with our current society for sure, but how that pans out would be up to the writer.
First of all I can?t believe Enterprise lost out to DS9...
Second of all YES!!!!!!!! A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!!!!!!!!! Voyager was the only reason I got a Long Range Science Vassal. I loved the series.
Thirdly, most of the problems with "Voyager integration" were covered in novels taking place after Voyager returned home. (Spoiler Alert) The Federation is already supposed to have developed slipstream technology that could take them to and from the delta quadrant (see "Star Trek Voyager: Full Circle"). If STO could somehow integrate this you could have characters jumping to and from whenever necessary. Some character paths have also been outlined (although I have not actually finished the series and don't know what everyone ends up doing...)
I hope you guys read this and if you are I thank you for your time.
See you in space...
A good point well made, but just to point out that STO is running on a different timeline to the books, like the new Star Trek Movies we are currently in that timeline are we not?
Meaning the voyager Story's from the books are no longer valid in this timeline. If that makes any sense to people.
We are in a way running story's independent from the movies the timeline we are in splits off from the point when Kirk was born and Nemo stepped into the picture, everything before that point actually happened well not the literal sense in the story.
Zefram Cochrane invented Warp travel - Both Universes
NX Enterprise has its trip around space - Both Universes
(However following the Enterprise series it occurs to me that timeline may have also been changed from its own original timeline, anyone that has seen the series may have also noticed this)
Kirk is born and his farther is still alive/The Romulan home world is not destroyed - Original universe
Kirk is born and his father dies/The Romulan Home world is Destroyed by a Super Nova - Alt Universe - This is the Universe we are currently playing in STO I think.
Now the only loop hole I have seen up to this point is From
Star Trek: First Contact
Picard and crew head back in time to fight a rouge Borg Sphere and help fix the Phoenix with Zefram Cochrane's help, however in our new timeline dose that still happen or is there any small changes to this?
Some story's may follow the original timeline closely but with variations, where other story's may happen that never happened in the original timeline that's how STO works.
"I am an Engineer. I think this stuff up and I make it happen. But you can make your own cup of tea!"
Az, the Hobus supernova destroyed ch'Rihan in the Prime timeline. This inspired the conflict between Nero and Spock, which spawned the Alt timeline.
And the Voyager novels are non-canon; the writers of the game (which is also non-canon) are free to use or discard whatever elements of those novels they like. I understand an entire line of novels, the Typhon's Pact series (IIRC), has been rendered outmoded by this game.
In fact, none of the novels count as more than "soft canon"; as has been noted repeatedly in a number of locations, the only canon for Star Trek is what has appeared on film either in one of the five television series or one of the first eleven movies (the rest of the movies, proceeding along the Alt timeline, are none of our concern in game terms). Heck, even the animated series is only soft canon, although we have seen the Caitians introduced from there (and the Ferasans, because Larry Niven was under the gun when his first script was rejected by NBC and he had to cannibalize one of his Known Universe stories to make "The Slaver Weapon", but when the game came around he wouldn't let them use the Kzinti).
I think it would be an interesting plot twist if the Krenim went to war with the Tholians. Two factions who both possess such advanced temporal technology, being at war with each other, could devastate spacetime. Of course, Starfleet (along with the Federation Time Patrol from the 29th century and the temporal agents from the 31st century) would have to intervene to restore timelines, keep the spacetime continuum from collapsing in on itself, and generally stopping the universe/metaverse from exploding.
STO should now be considered cannon, in my opinion. It is as popular among die hard Star Trek fans as any of the series or movies were. The plots and storylines follow directly from cannon sources, even from the JJ Abrams movies (not really cannon to the prime universe except events that took place in the prime universe before the alt timeline/universe was created.) Of course, events from the JJ Abrams movies in the alternate timeline will be cannon to that timeline (but now I'm digressing). Anyway, I strongly encourage those who hold the keys to the star trek legacy to integrate STO into star trek cannon.
STO should now be considered cannon, in my opinion. It is as popular among die hard Star Trek fans as any of the series or movies were. The plots and storylines follow directly from cannon sources, even from the JJ Abrams movies (not really cannon to the prime universe except events that took place in the prime universe before the alt timeline/universe was created.) Of course, events from the JJ Abrams movies in the alternate timeline will be cannon to that timeline (but now I'm digressing). Anyway, I strongly encourage those who hold the keys to the star trek legacy to integrate STO into star trek cannon.
If u consider half of the Federation and Klingon fleets in the game now made up of foreign alien ships like the Jem'hadar, Breen, Cardassian ships etc. and Romulan faction is now lapdogs to the federation and klingon factions, sure... called it in ur view ''Cannon'' all u want.
only reason ''die hard Star Trek fans'' plays this game cause it have a ''Star Trek'' name to it, right now many of us old STO players don't like the direction this game going now. not to mention alot of issues have still not been dealt with since day 1... instead of improving modes like pvp, Cryptic gone to the way of throwing alot of alien ships to factions thats not to suppose have them, which should have been kept to use for potential playable factions for an example the Dominion or the Cardassians.
Even if it were an event, being flung far out into the delta quadrant and having to do a number of tasks prior to returning would be an interesting adventure, seeing Admiral Janeway in position somewhere, even if just to give missions from a desk somewhere in the alpha quadrant would be a decent tribute, I haven't been laying long on STO but I did notice Commander (Naomi?) Wildman on K7 and wonder a lot about where other Voyager characters could possibly be found if that wsn't just a coincidence. I would love to recreate some similar battle scenes from Voyager in a long range science vessel. Look forward to seeing what you come up with. Keep up the good work.
You know there's one thing I've always wanted to peek back in on from Voyager. And also something that was hard to reconcile for me given that in STO thanks to Borg tech and MAKO tech etc. we're going at Warp 20+, I wonder what happened to the spawn Janeway and Paris had after they Warp 10 "evolved" into amphibian things. Granted they've only been kicking around that planet they were left on for what would be thirty seven years by game time but still. Be interesting to see if anything came of that.
Az, the Hobus supernova destroyed ch'Rihan in the Prime timeline. This inspired the conflict between Nero and Spock, which spawned the Alt timeline.
And the Voyager novels are non-canon; the writers of the game (which is also non-canon) are free to use or discard whatever elements of those novels they like. I understand an entire line of novels, the Typhon's Pact series (IIRC), has been rendered outmoded by this game.
In fact, none of the novels count as more than "soft canon"; as has been noted repeatedly in a number of locations, the only canon for Star Trek is what has appeared on film either in one of the five television series or one of the first eleven movies (the rest of the movies, proceeding along the Alt timeline, are none of our concern in game terms). Heck, even the animated series is only soft canon, although we have seen the Caitians introduced from there (and the Ferasans, because Larry Niven was under the gun when his first script was rejected by NBC and he had to cannibalize one of his Known Universe stories to make "The Slaver Weapon", but when the game came around he wouldn't let them use the Kzinti).
What is "canon" or not is not restricted to what appears on film. That is a common misconception.
Any information that comes from valid source material outside of the shows/films is also considered "canon".
And there are indications that the Animated Series is once again considered canon.
Only recently did I join STO because I feared to get disapointed from a game that has to pay off its investments and thus will hardly be able to keep in line with canon (let alone for all the unrealistic hundreds or even thousands of casualties in space or ground missions every day...) Anyway, it is a fascinating game based on an equally fascinating fictional history and I will keep playing it.
In order to contribute to the enhancement of the game, I would like to remind you that at the end of VOY two of the most antagonistic minor races had been the Devore and the Vaadwaur. The former had an established empire, the latter started their expansion (again) and both had some characteristics in common resembling the Romulans in the pre STO era. The same could be said for the much more strange Hiearchy but, unfortunately, there may be not enough information to render any major fictional continuation realistic.
On the other hand I would be enthusiastic to see the Voth after 4 decades of internal struggle in search of the truth concerning their roots finally claiming the earth as their own home. This could make for a diplomatic mission including espionage, trade (e.g. fossils) and fights to name but a few.
After all, four decades have elapsed foming a future that certainly have altered even the delta quadrant.
Now the only loop hole I have seen up to this point is From
Star Trek: First Contact
Picard and crew head back in time to fight a rouge Borg Sphere and help fix the Phoenix with Zefram Cochrane's help, however in our new timeline dose that still happen or is there any small changes to this?
Some story's may follow the original timeline closely but with variations, where other story's may happen that never happened in the original timeline that's how STO works.
Spoiler for Enterprise
if you look at enterprise in season 2 i think they address, first contact with finding the remains of a borg sphere at the north pole. the borg reawaken, assimilates the research team, salvage there tech, what they cant salvage they destroy and leave earth. enterprise chases them, and they distroy there own ship. saving the first official encounter with the borg for the ncc 1701 d. the rest is just my opinion, but the tech that is recovered from the nx 01 could have been under lock and key by section 31 or another intelligence agency readying for the day that the threat returns.
you are right about the multiple time lines, just think of the multiple universe theory, "for every action we make are time line is split and make another universe were things my slightly alter." (Paraphrasing) so by just taking that into account, it is possible that the federation developed the stable slipstream drive we see in the full circle books, by the time of the Hobus supernova, and the destruction of Romulus and Remus. heck we have the Vesta in the game, and it was primarily designed as the test bed for the slipstream technology.
As i always say the future is not written in stone, only sand, it can be changed at any time.
STO should now be considered cannon, in my opinion. It is as popular among die hard Star Trek fans as any of the series or movies were. The plots and storylines follow directly from cannon sources, even from the JJ Abrams movies (not really cannon to the prime universe except events that took place in the prime universe before the alt timeline/universe was created.) Of course, events from the JJ Abrams movies in the alternate timeline will be cannon to that timeline (but now I'm digressing). Anyway, I strongly encourage those who hold the keys to the star trek legacy to integrate STO into star trek cannon.
If u consider half of the Federation and Klingon fleets in the game now made up of foreign alien ships like the Jem'hadar, Breen, Cardassian ships etc. and Romulan faction is now lapdogs to the federation and klingon factions, sure... called it in ur view ''Cannon'' all u want.
only reason ''die hard Star Trek fans'' plays this game cause it have a ''Star Trek'' name to it, right now many of us old STO players don't like the direction this game going now. not to mention alot of issues have still not been dealt with since day 1... instead of improving modes like pvp, Cryptic gone to the way of throwing alot of alien ships to factions thats not to suppose have them, which should have been kept to use for potential playable factions for an example the Dominion or the Cardassians.
entitlement issue aside since cryptic never pay attention to that anyway.
I still wonder what type of tech would transport a ship back and forth in over half a galaxy?
cant use space stations to launch a vessel ftl speed and beyond that of conventional warp and transwarp abilities because that would be ripping off mass effect and eve online.
cant use naturally occuring subspace nodes, thats freespace.
cant use 3 or 4 powerful generators to go into another realm as babylon 5 had that and freespace as well as stargate sg1 albeit powered by a blackhole both sides.
traditional wormhole making using a magnetic field around a planet to ship is farscape and plenty of others i cant think of.
hopefully something original. it is after all startrek and the federation like the borg have been known to adapt their tech and understanding very quickly to come up with something creative. maybe a device that would teleport a ship instantly from one place to another in the galaxy using to two fixed navigational beacons? but then again it reeks of sc2's protoss blink ability and starship travel.
so again wondering what travel method is used :P.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Then in a future story Captain Janeway and Admiral Janeway have a battle with the borg to get voyager home. The borg queen dies yet again although she should have been killed on April 4th 2063.
April 5th 2063, they arrived at Earth on April 4th, the day before First Contact, but the Queen was not killed till after the 1st Human Warp Flight
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] We've just received word from the fleet, they've engaged the Borg!
Its not that hard to figure a way into the Delta Quadrant, all you have to do is use the Transwarp hubs like you do fro Gamma Orions Sector Block, hell How do you think the Hirogin got to the Alpha Quadrant in the first place, guys you already have them all over the Alpha Quadrant, My Guess is that you took this Technology from the Borg in the first place to modify it for the Fediration use anyway. you already have them at the fleet Starbases and at New Romulus, Its not hard to Figure how to get our ships to the Delta. Thanks for your attention, and yes I have been playing since Beta.
If u consider half of the Federation and Klingon fleets in the game now made up of foreign alien ships like the Jem'hadar, Breen, Cardassian ships etc. and Romulan faction is now lapdogs to the federation and klingon factions, sure... called it in ur view ''Cannon'' all u want.
only reason ''die hard Star Trek fans'' plays this game cause it have a ''Star Trek'' name to it, right now many of us old STO players don't like the direction this game going now. not to mention alot of issues have still not been dealt with since day 1... instead of improving modes like pvp, Cryptic gone to the way of throwing alot of alien ships to factions thats not to suppose have them, which should have been kept to use for potential playable factions for an example the Dominion or the Cardassians.
The ships have nothing to do with canon. Any time a game is considered canon it is the stories alone, without regard for player choices. (There are a good number of Star Wars games that serve as examples, as they were all, perhaps not currently but at least at one time, considered canon)
You know there's one thing I've always wanted to peek back in on from Voyager. And also something that was hard to reconcile for me given that in STO thanks to Borg tech and MAKO tech etc. we're going at Warp 20+, I wonder what happened to the spawn Janeway and Paris had after they Warp 10 "evolved" into amphibian things. Granted they've only been kicking around that planet they were left on for what would be thirty seven years by game time but still. Be interesting to see if anything came of that.
lol Ahhh, Threshold. Widely considered to be the worst episode in franchise history...I wouldn't mind if they didn't follow that one up, as I'd rather see that episode ret-con'd lol!
They weren't even their own ships - they stole them!
You took the words out of my mouth! I'm hoping that when we get to the Delta Quadrant we will find that the Trabe have re-taken their ships and territory back and the Kazon's are mostly extinct! lol
Regarding the Vaaduar, I think they didn't make the list because they're already coming!
Regarding the many posts regarding how we're going to get there, some scientist will come up with an outstanding way to stabilize the Barzan Wormhole and BAM! Here we are in the Delta Quadrant.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Its not that hard to figure a way into the Delta Quadrant, all you have to do is use the Transwarp hubs like you do fro Gamma Orions Sector Block, hell How do you think the Hirogin got to the Alpha Quadrant in the first place, guys you already have them all over the Alpha Quadrant, My Guess is that you took this Technology from the Borg in the first place to modify it for the Fediration use anyway. you already have them at the fleet Starbases and at New Romulus, Its not hard to Figure how to get our ships to the Delta. Thanks for your attention, and yes I have been playing since Beta.
No. The hirogen are nomadic, they simply traveled to the alpha quadrant over time.
Kirk is born and his farther is still alive/The Romulan home world is not destroyed - Original universe
Kirk is born and his father dies/The Romulan Home world is Destroyed by a Super Nova - Alt Universe - This is the Universe we are currently playing in STO I think.
What? STO isn't set it any alternate timeline. you've got it mixed up. Romulus was not destroyed in the alternate timeline where kirks father died. It was destroyed in this one, which led to nero and spock going back and creating the encounter where kirks father was killed. its been made very clear that this is the same timeline of the tv shows and the original movies
if remember there was a race in voyager that looked like sontarens from Dr Who
Funny thing about time paradoxes it's like Captain Picard said in All Good Things "Will, it's like the chicken and the egg."
Captain Janeway also said something along the lines of effect can precede cause.
The story goes that the Enterprise E came to the aide of the fleet at sector 001. The Borg cube was destroyed because Picard knew exactly how to destroy it due to his assimilation into the collective 6 years before.
The sphere launched from the cube and created a temporal vortex, they went back to th eday before first contact and assimilated earth. Basically they stopped the federation from existing in the first place.
Next, the Enterprise scanned and saw 9billion on earth, all borg. They went back to repair the damage. Destroyed the sphere, and then they had to beam to Montana where the phoenix was.
The throttle assembly and warp plasma conduit was damaged plus the crew that was suppsoed to fly on the warp ship was killed in the attack. They fixed the phoenix and engaged warp speed long enough for the Vulcans to see it.
There by fixing the timeline and restoring history.
Then in a future story Captain Janeway and Admiral Janeway have a battle with the borg to get voyager home. The borg queen dies yet again although she should have been killed on April 4th 2063.
I think they left it out but there was mention that in that timeline the borg lived in the delta quandrant and they were trying to buil dan interplexing beacon on the Enterprise deflector dish. It's safe to assume that the queen Janeway faced later was that queen of the borg, but they never wrote everything as it would make the series boring and too long.
April 5th 2063, they arrived at Earth on April 4th, the day before First Contact, but the Queen was not killed till after the 1st Human Warp Flight
The Borg Queen herself is explained in some of the Soft Canon material as actually being sort of a Cyborg OS for the Collective. I would encourage you both to look up The Borg's 'Royal Protocol' though yes, it is Soft Canon but it explains why this abomination just does not die. (FYI: In my Head canon...my Liberated Borg BOff is an interrupted Queen in production from the Vega Colony Incident).
I don't care who they are, as long as I don't have to see or hear from any of the TV crew of Voyager. If they force one of them on me as a BO that I can't get rid of, it will be the last straw.
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This could be a very interesting story line. And one of my favorites from the Voyager series. Plus a chance to fly one of their ships in a lock box. Why not, it would be fun.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
#4 - Vaadwaur - Humanoid species 6x07 “Dragon's Teeth” - They have the ability to map and maintain subspace corridors. This would make a story with this species moving into the Alpha Quadrant much more plausible. Captain Janeway alludes in the end of the episode that they will likely see this species again.
#3 Automated Units – Robotic species called Pralor and Kravic - 2x13 “ Prototype” - they fire 'Quantum Resonance Charges' in Star-patterned ships which appear to be torpedo boats! The species have superior strength and reasoning making them excellent Tactical officers
#2 Voth – Saurian species 3x23 “Distant Origin”- originating on Earth 20+million years before humans. They have broken the transwarp barrier and could easily be written into the STO galaxy. Their ships can cloak and have extraordinary dampening fields. This species has a heightened sense of smell, can use personal cloaks, are cold-blooded, and most importantly can shoot a small biological dart to incapacitate others.
#1 - Hierarchy – Humanoid species 6X04 "Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy", 07X15 "The Void", 07X24 "Renaissance Man". This rotund 'thick-skinned' species is from the governmental body composed of the Hierarchy that controls a region of space near the Beta-Delta Quadrant border. This species uses special Assualt class ships with advance surveilance and stealth technology.
Tell me what you think about my four choices?
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Ranger@RangerChasten - OR Founder 08/11
LONG LIVE the OMEGA RANGERS!
That was never said nor seen on screen. It really wouldn't make any sense either. They were facing extinction, which led them to do some terrible things. Now that they are cured, it would be great to see them going around helping people with their highly advanced medical technology. Every story doesn't have to be grim and dark, that's not what Star Trek is about.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Second of all YES!!!!!!!! A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!!!!!!!!! Voyager was the only reason I got a Long Range Science Vassal. I loved the series.
Thirdly, most of the problems with "Voyager integration" were covered in novels taking place after Voyager returned home. (Spoiler Alert) The Federation is already supposed to have developed slipstream technology that could take them to and from the delta quadrant (see "Star Trek Voyager: Full Circle"). If STO could somehow integrate this you could have characters jumping to and from whenever necessary. Some character paths have also been outlined (although I have not actually finished the series and don't know what everyone ends up doing...)
I hope you guys read this and if you are I thank you for your time.
See you in space...
I think that the Fed/Klingon Transwarp gates as they currently exist need to have a gate at the receiving end. However, it would work just fine in-story if a disused Borg Transwarp gate is found, or a semi-stable wormhole to the Delta Quadrant.
Another group that stands out from the Voyager alien pantheon is the Telsians. They have different fundamentals to other aliens, easily exploited by the Ferengi (VOY: "Live Fast and Prosper" and VOY: "Critical Care") yet they're spacefaring. 'Gullible people who never prosecute, yet with persuasive methods for determining the truth'.
The internal consistency is one of 'open-ness'. It's a very Trek concept for sure, everyone getting along, but what if it was weaponized? Millenia of applying straightforwardness to build a society might have left them vulnerable at first, but it has likely already been proven effective against other species, as a means of interrogation. Their application of Placate and Confuse, in the belief that we're all better off that way, is a philosophy that creates as many questions as answers, as well as many plot points. The Power of Innocence. A society largely unbridled by the tedium of self-preservation. Awesome at some things, maybe not at others. Parallels with our current society for sure, but how that pans out would be up to the writer.
So... Telsians?
A good point well made, but just to point out that STO is running on a different timeline to the books, like the new Star Trek Movies we are currently in that timeline are we not?
Meaning the voyager Story's from the books are no longer valid in this timeline. If that makes any sense to people.
We are in a way running story's independent from the movies the timeline we are in splits off from the point when Kirk was born and Nemo stepped into the picture, everything before that point actually happened well not the literal sense in the story.
Zefram Cochrane invented Warp travel - Both Universes
NX Enterprise has its trip around space - Both Universes
(However following the Enterprise series it occurs to me that timeline may have also been changed from its own original timeline, anyone that has seen the series may have also noticed this)
Kirk is born and his farther is still alive/The Romulan home world is not destroyed - Original universe
Kirk is born and his father dies/The Romulan Home world is Destroyed by a Super Nova - Alt Universe - This is the Universe we are currently playing in STO I think.
Now the only loop hole I have seen up to this point is From
Star Trek: First Contact
Picard and crew head back in time to fight a rouge Borg Sphere and help fix the Phoenix with Zefram Cochrane's help, however in our new timeline dose that still happen or is there any small changes to this?
Some story's may follow the original timeline closely but with variations, where other story's may happen that never happened in the original timeline that's how STO works.
"I am an Engineer. I think this stuff up and I make it happen. But you can make your own cup of tea!"
And the Voyager novels are non-canon; the writers of the game (which is also non-canon) are free to use or discard whatever elements of those novels they like. I understand an entire line of novels, the Typhon's Pact series (IIRC), has been rendered outmoded by this game.
In fact, none of the novels count as more than "soft canon"; as has been noted repeatedly in a number of locations, the only canon for Star Trek is what has appeared on film either in one of the five television series or one of the first eleven movies (the rest of the movies, proceeding along the Alt timeline, are none of our concern in game terms). Heck, even the animated series is only soft canon, although we have seen the Caitians introduced from there (and the Ferasans, because Larry Niven was under the gun when his first script was rejected by NBC and he had to cannibalize one of his Known Universe stories to make "The Slaver Weapon", but when the game came around he wouldn't let them use the Kzinti).
they have such pretty ships too ! http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100123113158/memoryalpha/en/images/5/5e/USS_Voyager_confronts_Kazon.jpg
If u consider half of the Federation and Klingon fleets in the game now made up of foreign alien ships like the Jem'hadar, Breen, Cardassian ships etc. and Romulan faction is now lapdogs to the federation and klingon factions, sure... called it in ur view ''Cannon'' all u want.
only reason ''die hard Star Trek fans'' plays this game cause it have a ''Star Trek'' name to it, right now many of us old STO players don't like the direction this game going now. not to mention alot of issues have still not been dealt with since day 1... instead of improving modes like pvp, Cryptic gone to the way of throwing alot of alien ships to factions thats not to suppose have them, which should have been kept to use for potential playable factions for an example the Dominion or the Cardassians.
As for me, I like Voyager but not that much. I went with the Krenim, their weapons in "The Year of Hell" episode were pretty impressive.
What is "canon" or not is not restricted to what appears on film. That is a common misconception.
Any information that comes from valid source material outside of the shows/films is also considered "canon".
And there are indications that the Animated Series is once again considered canon.
In order to contribute to the enhancement of the game, I would like to remind you that at the end of VOY two of the most antagonistic minor races had been the Devore and the Vaadwaur. The former had an established empire, the latter started their expansion (again) and both had some characteristics in common resembling the Romulans in the pre STO era. The same could be said for the much more strange Hiearchy but, unfortunately, there may be not enough information to render any major fictional continuation realistic.
On the other hand I would be enthusiastic to see the Voth after 4 decades of internal struggle in search of the truth concerning their roots finally claiming the earth as their own home. This could make for a diplomatic mission including espionage, trade (e.g. fossils) and fights to name but a few.
After all, four decades have elapsed foming a future that certainly have altered even the delta quadrant.
Also, I was kinda hoping for the Vaadwaur, but theyre not included in the poll:(
Spoiler for Enterprise
if you look at enterprise in season 2 i think they address, first contact with finding the remains of a borg sphere at the north pole. the borg reawaken, assimilates the research team, salvage there tech, what they cant salvage they destroy and leave earth. enterprise chases them, and they distroy there own ship. saving the first official encounter with the borg for the ncc 1701 d. the rest is just my opinion, but the tech that is recovered from the nx 01 could have been under lock and key by section 31 or another intelligence agency readying for the day that the threat returns.
you are right about the multiple time lines, just think of the multiple universe theory, "for every action we make are time line is split and make another universe were things my slightly alter." (Paraphrasing) so by just taking that into account, it is possible that the federation developed the stable slipstream drive we see in the full circle books, by the time of the Hobus supernova, and the destruction of Romulus and Remus. heck we have the Vesta in the game, and it was primarily designed as the test bed for the slipstream technology.
As i always say the future is not written in stone, only sand, it can be changed at any time.
Fed: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=780321
RR: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=12150781#post12150781
KDF: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=784941
LOL!!
QFT!!
ALSO, I Was Wondering If Lifetimers/Z-Store can Have A Costume Unlock For All Their Characters f Borg Implants and Scopes.
1: NO EXCUSES.... Gorn CAN Have Them As Well As Cats
2: It makes Sense
3: No Trait Add On/Passiv Add On Needed W/ Implants
4: OR You can allow All Races To be Liberated Borg.... Your Choice... I Think Making the Costume Unlock is MUCH CHEAPER To Do
5: Reason Why? Not All Borg Are Human, Klingon, and Romulan. I Would Like More Diveristy There. We Paid 300$ AT LEAST Make It Count!
I still wonder what type of tech would transport a ship back and forth in over half a galaxy?
cant use space stations to launch a vessel ftl speed and beyond that of conventional warp and transwarp abilities because that would be ripping off mass effect and eve online.
cant use naturally occuring subspace nodes, thats freespace.
cant use 3 or 4 powerful generators to go into another realm as babylon 5 had that and freespace as well as stargate sg1 albeit powered by a blackhole both sides.
traditional wormhole making using a magnetic field around a planet to ship is farscape and plenty of others i cant think of.
hopefully something original. it is after all startrek and the federation like the borg have been known to adapt their tech and understanding very quickly to come up with something creative. maybe a device that would teleport a ship instantly from one place to another in the galaxy using to two fixed navigational beacons? but then again it reeks of sc2's protoss blink ability and starship travel.
so again wondering what travel method is used :P.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
April 5th 2063, they arrived at Earth on April 4th, the day before First Contact, but the Queen was not killed till after the 1st Human Warp Flight
We've just received word from the fleet, they've engaged the Borg!
Its not that hard to figure a way into the Delta Quadrant, all you have to do is use the Transwarp hubs like you do fro Gamma Orions Sector Block, hell How do you think the Hirogin got to the Alpha Quadrant in the first place, guys you already have them all over the Alpha Quadrant, My Guess is that you took this Technology from the Borg in the first place to modify it for the Fediration use anyway. you already have them at the fleet Starbases and at New Romulus, Its not hard to Figure how to get our ships to the Delta. Thanks for your attention, and yes I have been playing since Beta.
The ships have nothing to do with canon. Any time a game is considered canon it is the stories alone, without regard for player choices. (There are a good number of Star Wars games that serve as examples, as they were all, perhaps not currently but at least at one time, considered canon)
lol Ahhh, Threshold. Widely considered to be the worst episode in franchise history...I wouldn't mind if they didn't follow that one up, as I'd rather see that episode ret-con'd lol!
You took the words out of my mouth! I'm hoping that when we get to the Delta Quadrant we will find that the Trabe have re-taken their ships and territory back and the Kazon's are mostly extinct! lol
Regarding the Vaaduar, I think they didn't make the list because they're already coming!
Regarding the many posts regarding how we're going to get there, some scientist will come up with an outstanding way to stabilize the Barzan Wormhole and BAM! Here we are in the Delta Quadrant.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
No. The hirogen are nomadic, they simply traveled to the alpha quadrant over time.
What? STO isn't set it any alternate timeline. you've got it mixed up. Romulus was not destroyed in the alternate timeline where kirks father died. It was destroyed in this one, which led to nero and spock going back and creating the encounter where kirks father was killed. its been made very clear that this is the same timeline of the tv shows and the original movies
or fat coneheads
The Borg Queen herself is explained in some of the Soft Canon material as actually being sort of a Cyborg OS for the Collective. I would encourage you both to look up The Borg's 'Royal Protocol' though yes, it is Soft Canon but it explains why this abomination just does not die. (FYI: In my Head canon...my Liberated Borg BOff is an interrupted Queen in production from the Vega Colony Incident).
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