Because the Weapons Offline mode cannot be resisted, the temporary immunity conferred by Weapon Stabilizers shouldn't offset this console's updated properties.
I am almost to the point where if I get hit by another one of those I am going to ALT+F4. Sure, it is not very sporting, but neither are those Elachi lockbox consoles which disable all your subsystems and your bridge officer abilities for such a long period of time.
brace yourselves, the pve'rs whining about how they cant beat -insert random npc here- because their new toy was nerfed are coming.
the effect on npcs isnt even nerfed at all, but they are to stupid to know that. if there wasn't patch notes, they would never have noticed a difference
I don't get the weapons offline mode. It's not like you can do anything while inside the rupture anyway. Maybe it would have been better if there was a quick power loss over time in all ship's subsystems; and the longer you stay in the rupture, the more likely your entire ship will be disabled (probably not very easy to code). Also, the following abilities should work as part or full counter: polarize hull, science team, engineering team, aux to dampeners.
Looks like this console will now be used defensively, to allow yourself to get away in a pinch.
It was said in the Tribble thread that it's because the NPC's don't treat perception the same way as the player, I believe. So disabling weapons is basically the same thing as the black cloud.
I know there is a method but all I see is madness.
The biggest change may be that resistences are actually counted now. Because they were not counted at all before, it was very difficult to see what 83.3% actually meant, or what 80.0% means now, because just the Borg Deflector put the effect at over 93% for everyone against anyone.
Everyone using the thing had bonuses for Graviton Generators, which was counted before as part of the effect. Now there is a resist component, but I'm not really sure how that plays yet. I highly doubt they removed the GG bonus, and it will be interesting to see if they accounted for the no-cap feature that apparently exists with GG bonuses, which is different than how Gravity Well works which I believe caps the total debuff.
Said another way, I still think that without a cap on the hold and a -80% debuff base, a few purple MK XII Grav Generators + Borg Deflector will still put a -99.9% speed buff on a target.
I would love to see the math on this one, because it looks like the effects of Inertial Dampners is going to be trivial if the attacker is stacked in Graviton Generators. Unless I'm missing something, one could have 200 points in Inertial Dampners and still suffer a 50% or higher speed debuff.
With that said, most Tactical in Escorts don't have really high Grav Generators, so for them the console (in theory) won't hit as hard as it will when used by a SCI with over 200 in GG.
Wow, loss of perspective much? Please explain, in detail, what you, as a PvE player, have actually lost due to this change. Seriously. Please explain how the fact that it does slightly less hold against NPCs, for slightly more damage and an IMPROVED disable (versus NPC, since the can't actually shoot now) is bad (for PvE).
Oh, and when you tell the bold-faced lie that you PvP "all the time", please explain in detail why locking players out of their BOFF powers was good for PvP gameplay, and why it needs to come back.
Or, since those tasks are impossible, how about you stop spreading your nonsensical vitriol?
Probably, but then both PvEers and PvPers whine about different things.
It's also damned hilarious the arguments PvEers use... Actually they don't use anything that's remotely close to an argument, they just stomp and scream "I wanna iWin button" even though the elite content in this game is super easy.
Lets also be absolutely honest, if nearly every NPC ship was using this console pre-balance pass, you'd get hundreds of angry PvEers screaming they quit. Then again maybe not, since most elite NPCs have trouble destroying unbuffed T2 ships.
Yeah, you nailed it basically. If I was a PVEr I'd be entitled to rant. This console just went from working nicely, to being completely useless to any good PVE player. I'm guessing the flight disable is ok, but it's not like NPC's were difficult to dispose of in the first place.
If one reads through the Tribble thread on it...it's basically a buff for PvE and change in usage (which some might see as a nerf) for PvP.
The only folks complaining would be PvP folks that...required it...to do anything in PvP. Otherwise, it's a win for everybody else...
It's also damned hilarious the arguments PvEers use... Actually they don't use anything that's remotely close to an argument, they just stomp and scream "I wanna iWin button" even though the elite content in this game is super easy.
Actually it is funny and sad at the same time. It got balanced for PvP and even buffed for PvE, so almost everybody should be happy now. It's like there is some trigger in their heads that tells them to get some torches and hunt for PvPers everytime something changes in patch notes and they don't really understand these changes.
The really sad part is, that those hardcore PvE ranters really seem to be unable to see that this is actually an improvement. Maybe they haven't noticed yet that almost all of their evil NPC opponents rarely use defense buffs and thus weapon disable is pretty much the same, I don't know. And the damage got buffed, too... I'm not sure if I'd go as far as DDIS and call them too stupid to see this, but it's damn close.
If one reads through the Tribble thread on it...it's basically a buff for PvE and change in usage (which some might see as a nerf) for PvP.
The only folks complaining would be PvP folks that...required it...to do anything in PvP. Otherwise, it's a win for everybody else...
Super Duper Win would be to drop CD to 2min [its essentially a sci torpedo does it really need a 3min cd now?] other than that I'm fine with the changes, then again I've been on Risa all summer except for leveling a couple of new chars so they could get to risa :P
borticus tells it like it is. unfortunately, you cant will people into being less stupid, many you cant even reason with. most of my 4k posts were attempts to try.
This stupid console is killing pvp it's the most op piece of equipment in this game !!
I queued for capture and hold kdf vs fed, and was shoot every time in my fleet vor cha with this stupid console every fed dude had one endless loop respawn get shoot by it and I m KO
The effect of the "Universal Console - Subspace Integration Circuit." is ridiculous it makes you pinned down and helpless and it has a CD of just 3 min i think 3 min?? some stupid non functional c store consoles have average cd of 3 min and they aren't even worthy of mentioning. I don't expect cryptic to nerf it not totally because some people paid real money for it, and they find some wrierd fun out of it like premade teams killing noob teams and sayind after 15 0 "gg thx all", or " it was fun" FUN WHERE ? What I m saying I will not play this game anymore I'm a free player who is grinding all the time to get some solid equipment and sets for endgame content and its no use cant even stay alive anymore (((((((((((((((
borticus tells it like it is. unfortunately, you cant will people into being less stupid, many you cant even reason with. most of my 4k posts were attempts to try.
ill say, just reading the complaints that its useless in pve after he posted that hurts mah brain.
This stupid console is killing pvp it's the most op piece of equipment in this game !!
I queued for capture and hold kdf vs fed, and was shoot every time in my fleet vor cha with this stupid console every fed dude had one endless loop respawn get shoot by it and I m KO
The effect of the "Universal Console - Subspace Integration Circuit." is ridiculous it makes you pinned down and helpless and it has a CD of just 3 min i think 3 min?? some stupid non functional c store consoles have average cd of 3 min and they aren't even worthy of mentioning. I don't expect cryptic to nerf it not totally because some people paid real money for it, and they find some wrierd fun out of it like premade teams killing noob teams and sayind after 15 0 "gg thx all", or " it was fun" FUN WHERE ? What I m saying I will not play this game anymore I'm a free player who is grinding all the time to get some solid equipment and sets for endgame content and its no use cant even stay alive anymore (((((((((((((((
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brace yourselves, the pve'rs whining about how they cant beat -insert random npc here- because their new toy was nerfed are coming.
Do you even Science Bro?
Thanks again, Bort.
the effect on npcs isnt even nerfed at all, but they are to stupid to know that. if there wasn't patch notes, they would never have noticed a difference
It was said in the Tribble thread that it's because the NPC's don't treat perception the same way as the player, I believe. So disabling weapons is basically the same thing as the black cloud.
Nerfing slow - Meh..
Nerfing Disable to disable weapons - Works fine for me.
It'll make us evul Pee vee pee ars happy. It'll make the Pee vee eee ars sad.. until they see thet improved Boom I'm guessing.
Thank you cryptic for listening.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Everyone using the thing had bonuses for Graviton Generators, which was counted before as part of the effect. Now there is a resist component, but I'm not really sure how that plays yet. I highly doubt they removed the GG bonus, and it will be interesting to see if they accounted for the no-cap feature that apparently exists with GG bonuses, which is different than how Gravity Well works which I believe caps the total debuff.
Said another way, I still think that without a cap on the hold and a -80% debuff base, a few purple MK XII Grav Generators + Borg Deflector will still put a -99.9% speed buff on a target.
I would love to see the math on this one, because it looks like the effects of Inertial Dampners is going to be trivial if the attacker is stacked in Graviton Generators. Unless I'm missing something, one could have 200 points in Inertial Dampners and still suffer a 50% or higher speed debuff.
With that said, most Tactical in Escorts don't have really high Grav Generators, so for them the console (in theory) won't hit as hard as it will when used by a SCI with over 200 in GG.
Rules of Acquisition at Priority One
Wow, loss of perspective much? Please explain, in detail, what you, as a PvE player, have actually lost due to this change. Seriously. Please explain how the fact that it does slightly less hold against NPCs, for slightly more damage and an IMPROVED disable (versus NPC, since the can't actually shoot now) is bad (for PvE).
Oh, and when you tell the bold-faced lie that you PvP "all the time", please explain in detail why locking players out of their BOFF powers was good for PvP gameplay, and why it needs to come back.
Or, since those tasks are impossible, how about you stop spreading your nonsensical vitriol?
Probably, but then both PvEers and PvPers whine about different things.
It's also damned hilarious the arguments PvEers use... Actually they don't use anything that's remotely close to an argument, they just stomp and scream "I wanna iWin button" even though the elite content in this game is super easy.
Lets also be absolutely honest, if nearly every NPC ship was using this console pre-balance pass, you'd get hundreds of angry PvEers screaming they quit. Then again maybe not, since most elite NPCs have trouble destroying unbuffed T2 ships.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
He's not complaining as a PvE guy...he's complaining as a PvP guy. He liked using SIC in PvP.
If one reads through the Tribble thread on it...it's basically a buff for PvE and change in usage (which some might see as a nerf) for PvP.
The only folks complaining would be PvP folks that...required it...to do anything in PvP. Otherwise, it's a win for everybody else...
He's a PvPer. Yes, a PvPer whining about Cryptic nerfing a crazy overpowered console that he uses.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Actually it is funny and sad at the same time. It got balanced for PvP and even buffed for PvE, so almost everybody should be happy now. It's like there is some trigger in their heads that tells them to get some torches and hunt for PvPers everytime something changes in patch notes and they don't really understand these changes.
The really sad part is, that those hardcore PvE ranters really seem to be unable to see that this is actually an improvement. Maybe they haven't noticed yet that almost all of their evil NPC opponents rarely use defense buffs and thus weapon disable is pretty much the same, I don't know. And the damage got buffed, too... I'm not sure if I'd go as far as DDIS and call them too stupid to see this, but it's damn close.
decker999
Join Date: Aug 2010
Super Duper Win would be to drop CD to 2min [its essentially a sci torpedo does it really need a 3min cd now?] other than that I'm fine with the changes, then again I've been on Risa all summer except for leveling a couple of new chars so they could get to risa :P
Have fun, play nice all its only a game
borticus tells it like it is. unfortunately, you cant will people into being less stupid, many you cant even reason with. most of my 4k posts were attempts to try.
I queued for capture and hold kdf vs fed, and was shoot every time in my fleet vor cha with this stupid console every fed dude had one
The effect of the "Universal Console - Subspace Integration Circuit." is ridiculous it makes you pinned down and helpless and it has a CD of just 3 min i think 3 min?? some stupid non functional c store consoles have average cd of 3 min and they aren't even worthy of mentioning. I don't expect cryptic to nerf it not totally because some people paid real money for it, and they find some wrierd fun out of it like premade teams killing noob teams and sayind after 15 0 "gg thx all", or " it was fun" FUN WHERE ? What I m saying I will not play this game anymore I'm a free player who is grinding all the time to get some solid equipment and sets for endgame content and its no use cant even stay alive anymore
More emphasis on "delivering revenue-generating products on a deadline" than "rigorous QA testing," is my guess.
ill say, just reading the complaints that its useless in pve after he posted that hurts mah brain.
Do you even Science Bro?
take a look at the newest tribble patch notes