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Your not afraid of the dark, are ya? (Re: Subspace Integration Circuit in PvP)
webdeath
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So I've been playing around with the new console that was released known as the Universal Console - Subspace Integration Circuit.
The best ways to ab- ahem.. use this console is from cloak. You drop cloak, drop this on a target, and unless they have Omega, or some other Disable negating effect running, they find themselves in a black ball.. One that even hides things like Gravity Well..
Add to the fact that a Science officer can subnuc the nasty defensive effects like omega off the target trying to defend themselves against this weapon almost gives you the most vulnerable Target you can get.
And what's worse, is that it can effect others if they are too close to the target you hit with this effect. And it lasts, in my opinion, way too long.
Branflakes was saying in Organized PVP that the team is listening to Feed back. Here is mine..
Either A: Remove the disable effect from the power, so that way you have a greater chance to defend your self against it.
B: Give it an Arc of 90 or 180 Forward Degrees, so you can't just pop it in any direction.
or C: Reduce the duration of the effect by about 1-2 seconds.
Sure, in a Team environment, it would be easy to know which of your allies is suddenly the prime target when you see a black orb crackling with energy surround that target. Extends and Hazards and other clears can be sent to said target to try to keep them alive during the strike. How ever, in a team environment, if each team member has this effect.. there could almost be guaranteed at least one base ball icon available for every necessary target. And at least one kill if you get enough of the enemy in those things.
So, in closing.. It does need a slight tweek. And there could be some consideration towards what will happen when 5 people or more have one of these things. PVE won't notice or complain about it, but PVP will.
The best ways to ab- ahem.. use this console is from cloak. You drop cloak, drop this on a target, and unless they have Omega, or some other Disable negating effect running, they find themselves in a black ball.. One that even hides things like Gravity Well..
Add to the fact that a Science officer can subnuc the nasty defensive effects like omega off the target trying to defend themselves against this weapon almost gives you the most vulnerable Target you can get.
And what's worse, is that it can effect others if they are too close to the target you hit with this effect. And it lasts, in my opinion, way too long.
Branflakes was saying in Organized PVP that the team is listening to Feed back. Here is mine..
Either A: Remove the disable effect from the power, so that way you have a greater chance to defend your self against it.
B: Give it an Arc of 90 or 180 Forward Degrees, so you can't just pop it in any direction.
or C: Reduce the duration of the effect by about 1-2 seconds.
Sure, in a Team environment, it would be easy to know which of your allies is suddenly the prime target when you see a black orb crackling with energy surround that target. Extends and Hazards and other clears can be sent to said target to try to keep them alive during the strike. How ever, in a team environment, if each team member has this effect.. there could almost be guaranteed at least one base ball icon available for every necessary target. And at least one kill if you get enough of the enemy in those things.
So, in closing.. It does need a slight tweek. And there could be some consideration towards what will happen when 5 people or more have one of these things. PVE won't notice or complain about it, but PVP will.
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
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Stun of 9 seconds (a fully buffed PSW3 is about 3 seconds stun..), with no posible defense at all. Borticus said that u can escape by using omega or evasives, but since is a stun u can't activate any of those abilities, and if u pre-buff u can always get subnuked before the integration circuit hit, any decent sci player/team with minimal organizacion would do that. Hell, u don't even need a subnuke, u can use a graviton pulse and done
I tend to avoid reactions like "this is op, pvp is dead, i will leave this game", but in this case i'm really thinking about leave sto, pvp will be unplayable with this console.
p.d: @webdeath if u wanna make this a feedback threat, u should change the title, i don't think any dev will look into a post with that title lol
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Ah-hahahahahahaha.
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If that is true.. THAT also needs to be removed.. Because there is no reason a disable should be capable of lasting 30 seconds.. even with resists..
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Sure - it grays out the bars...but um, that's pretty much it. Well, okay - it drops cloak. Doesn't drop shields - doesn't stop movement - etc, etc, etc.
First time, it was used on somebody else - I was within range though - decloaked and moved out of range...didn't mean anything (no Sci to take advantage of the situation) - I even flew back through it.
Second and third time, I was the target of it...and again...sure, I lost my bars for a second or two - but then I was out of it.
Going back to what webdeath said though - you get organized with it (or even cheese it up with some GPG) with VM/SNB/Tractors/etc...yeah, could easily see the target being the ultimate sitting duck.
Luckily for me, I was flying against your average Feds in Ker'rat.
Hey, don't get me wrong - I died twice in the past few hours. One was awesome, a pair of Sci that handcuffed my wrists to my ankles...and yeah, I don't want to tell the rest of that story - I think I need therapy. The other is that damn 100% To-Hit BS that I'm still trying to hunt down.
But yeah - it's not an I-Win button for Joe Random...but there are folks that could do some really nasty stuff very easily with it with very little effort.
KHG/AMACO Deflector...that new Bioneural Console...hrmmm.
So things that one can do...ahem...to affect the target's speed...before using it - will greatly improve it.
Have 1 or more of these fancy new consoles. Throw in a GravWell/EWP and a GPG for good measure.
Keep a Sci on standby to Scan the poor defenseless masses and to SNB away buffs that will get them out of your hellstorm.
Congrats, you've won!
For extra guarantees, don't forget to throw in a TIF.
Yup, I just wanted to say i got hit by them couple o' times while on my risian corvette. First time they got me (*what just happened*) but soon after, as long as you've got speed you're safe (sort of, you're still blind as a bat
I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
Would you even need the Sci? With four guys using other toys available, hold back the one guy to do the 3x Crescent DBB Mk XII [CrtD]x3 BO on the waiting target...and well...
1: Fly a Bug, Corvette or other supermaneuverable cannon boat that cannot be caught or hit except by another supermaneuverable cannon boat.
2: Build a spaminator with as much cheese as you can throw on it in an attempt to grind the Bugs and Vettes to a halt so you can actually shoot at them. Recluses seem to work best, with Temporal Sci ships a close second.
3: Fly an Aux2Batt tactical cruiser in the hopes that raw DPS and shield tanking will carry the day.
Sadly it's a very limited environment right now... and it's downright boring.
They dont listen because the same thing happend a week or two ago with the nukara mines....you cant forget how you worked to nerf something then you put almost the same thing back in game.
Folks just need to break the Cryptic Golden Rule for Rewards in a 15 Minute Period with the console...and...it will get adjusted.
yeah. this.
have fun kill bad guys
It a cruiser's worse nightmare.
Cruiser defense values are mediocre to poor. Most survivability goes out the door without their Boff powers. And with their relatively slow speed they pop before they get out of the cloud.
I was hit by it repeatedly during combat. It must have a 2 min cool down or the premade team of 5 were all running it. I was hit 4 times and got away once. The time I got away I think another ship nearby was hit as I was on the edge of the fog.
I noticed you can still hit science team but the small shield heal is pointless without a cleanse.
Its ok to have fancy consoles but the cooldown on this thing has to be moved to 10 mins and there needs to be a team that can clear it for balance. You could also have it confuse anyone who gets with in range regardless of team affiliation. Now that would take skill to use and actually make the game more fun. At the very least give a guy a chance with evasive manuevers or epte.
In the meantime I am going to have to get it to keep up and get rid of another favorite console.
Instead of adding all the "magic consoles" how about fixing some of the real balance issues in the game??? PVP is the only dynamic part of the game and crazy consoles even if they only last 2 weeks before nerf kill it.
just to be clear, omega has a perception clear as well??? Is there anything that Omega doesn't counter in this game?
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
No, Omega doesn't have a perception clear, as far as I know. It only has a disable and hold immunity, and that's at level 3. 1 and 2 only have hold immunity. Unless there's been some drastic changes that I didn't hear about in the recent past, I don't think it clears perception debuffs. What he's talking about there is using Omega to sail clear of the hazard.
A Scie captain use subpacejump and can be behind any Jemhadar ship, then he use SNB to remove all your omegas and then he use this console. At the same time, your healer, with all the extends and hazards is also target by one of mine team with this console. 2 seconds later, good bay Jemhadar, and if the team is fast, then we use the alpha to finish your healer.
There is no escape from this OP console, not even the faster ships or the best team cross healers in the game can survive this.
The only counter to this console, is this console it self (use it before they do). This, from now on, the PVP is going to be a Stun+Disbale Dark war.
I dont know how far this is going to advance, but I don?t see my self playing PVP if this console stay around.
About Borticus saids, its like if you said: ?If some one shot you at 1m of distance with a 44 in the face, try to move your self fast to evade the bullet?
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Lol.
Oh, oh.
Lol.
/cough
Ahem.
Lol.
Star Trek Online: Into Darkness
/manly teehee
i tried outrunning it to no avail
Doesnt the same game limiting technique apply to torps? like once shot it will eventually hit the target (whether it will be a hit or miss as a result?)
So how does it work when you 'outrun it?'
The torp will hit you. Bran said that it tracks and is unavoidable.
But with a high enough speed/skill, you can (supposedly) drift right on out of the AoE.
You know, while extreme that is probably pretty close to the truth.
Herpes.
(Cleared by HE).
I wonder what part of "tracks" and "is unavoidable" was built specifically for PvE. :rolleyes:
Heh, we doing jokes now? Console darkness reminds me of this little 8-second-or-so clip:
http://youtu.be/pLvjXdhc_Kg?t=5m14s
But it sounds like it disables Captain and ability console as well? Why?
Because back when the game launched, SNB and VM did exactly what this console does.
Except that they were deemed horribly out of line and OP, so they were changed into what we have today.
But back then, balance actually meant something. Now it's all P2W. That's why.
And I'll Raise you.... Akuma...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR4iaKkXR00
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
The console explicitly states its effects cannot be resisted.
Borticus, Borticus, wherefore art thou, Borticus?
Oooh... I choose secret option 4: Aux2Busey T'Var-Oh-My. Supermaneuverable with APO and EPTE kept up by tech doffs, beachball cools down the baseball faster making it the cheesiest, plus HYT Elachi torp auto-stun, tech doffs keeping EPTS3 up and the Valdore console feeding heals.
If I wasn't such a ****ty pilot with zero situational awareness I might be able to do something with that.
I was back in my scimitar but there's no way I'm outrunning the black baseball in that. Is the answer to kite the baseball so far away that when it hits you there's time to ride it out before you get ganked?
If TEch doffed Aux to Batx2 is cooling down the base ball, THAT is a bug and needs to be reported.. Now. :rolleyes:
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku