rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,494Community Moderator
edited October 2013
I think us Steam users will be fine, as there is the Steam Starter Pack available through Steam, which comes with the Steamrunner class T1 Escort and T5 Escort Retrofit. They wouldn't destroy that. But we might get dumbed down version of the ARC launcher for patches even if we go through Steam.
If anyone thought Arc was not going to be mandatory , please give me the pills you take because I too wish to be that delusional
As Weyoun would say, "please tell me you're not that naive".
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
slowly PWE is taking over this game so if im getting this right........ right now i play sto with out ARC or steam so is there going to be some update that downloads it again? i got rid of ARC one time only thing i liked about it was i could patrol the forums while playing the game but still got sick of ARC
and to you PWE if this some plan in the hope to get me to play other PWE games it will FAIL!!!!!!
So much for listening to their customers ,overwhelming no to arc but now it's going to be compulsory - wont quit my games but don't see any point in keeping a sub going and giving pwe money for something I don't want or need!
Yeah.........And the government doesn't spy on anybody either because they said they don't. Oh wait.......
Don't worry. I'm sure there will only be a couple of patches where they accidentally default the setting to on...
"Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
I am perfectly happy using Steam. If PWE attempts to force Arc on me, I'll go look for Star Trek mods for X3: Terran Conflict and other space games.
And keep circulating the non-Arc installer, people. If they take it off the website, I'll reupload it somewhere else.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I'm getting a nagging feeling that ARC is either going to become enforced once Season 8 goes live, or with the winter holiday update...
Ultimately, I'm going to wait and see how things are implemented with a mildly-jaded open mind. I quit Blizzard (as someone who had pretty much every game and expansion they put out - including both versions of Rock N Roll Racing and Diablo 1's Hellfire expansion) cold turkey when they rolled out the abhorrent new battle.net . If don't like the smell of ARC when it lands, PWE will join my blacklist.
Until the day that ARC arrives, I will remain hopeful and try to be constructive. I've already posted my concerns/suggestions in the appropriate thread. I suggest others do the same.
I am perfectly happy using Steam. If PWE attempts to force Arc on me, I'll go look for Star Trek mods for X3: Terran Conflict and other space games.
And keep circulating the non-Arc installer, people. If they take it off the website, I'll reupload it somewhere else.
Good initiative with that "non-Arc" installer. But from what I've read Arc will have to run in the background while playing, or STO won't work at all. =/
All I can say is if Arc becomes mandatory to play STO I will be uninstalling STO from my PC, simple as that.
I do not want my credit card info that easy to get, if my account gets TRIBBLE now all I need to worry about is my account and not my OWN PERSONAL CREDIT INFORMATION, and yes I used caps so that if any devs are reading this they know exactly why I will not be opting into this program
It reminds me of the TNG episode where the whole crew of the Enterprise becomes addicted to a game and in that process they nearly start to hand the federation over to a group of aliens.
In closing, I really do love STO and it will hurt a lot to leave it but I will be leaving if Arc becomes mandatory, no doubt about that at all.
Typical PR stuff, they mention it because people will call it spyware and say it's only there to steal information. But it matters not either way, mention it or dont they would still have those concerns from players to address.
I think most people expected Arc to become mandatory eventually, we can hold off until the last minute like so many did with the forum merge, or just submit to the overlords and get it over and done with.
Nothing... yet. They have no plans for it at the moment.
Don't worry. I'm sure there will only be a couple of patches where they accidentally default the setting to on...
It is already on sadly. Even if you tick the "No" to sending statistics and information, Arc still periodically scans all your local hard drives and sends the data to PWE...
I cannot test to see if Arc logs anything when you open a program or go to a link, but I would not put that past them either tbh.... :mad:
I already switched to Steam ages ago when the Steamrunner pack came out. I do not launch STO through Steam as you can launch it independently thankfully.
I will be looking into whether you can install Arc, move STO from its folder and then delete Arc, but i'll have to see how interconnected they are...
That dev update seems very straightforward about it: the plan is to have Arc replace individual game launchers. Unfortunate, because I have no interest in PWE games besides STO and CO whatsoever.
I've kept coming back to STO, even though I've needed the occasional break from Sliderbars Online, but a loadgate bloatware application is a dealbreaker for me. I really don't care how sleek or lightweight or supposedly non-intrusive it is; the day when Arc becomes mandatory is the day I stop playing this game, it's that simple.
PWE, by adding this feature you will not be "enriching" my game experience. You will be ending it.
Well I have to say that if this Arc thing is enforced I will be going, I only played the game in the first place because of having Steam, dont really want to bother adding more nonsense. I was willing to give the lazy and ridiculous dino-riders thing a chance but I doubt it now.
If it's possible to remove the STO launcher from the Arc directory, and/or kill Arc after launching the game, I guess it's not a deal killer, but I will not be forced to run this thing in the background at all time or reserve ten gigs of HD space for future games, period frigging dot.
I don't see how they can... as of right now, you have steam users, and tridef users (tridef for those of us playing in 3d).. I can't open the game in tridef if I have to use arc.. so I say no, cause I will quit this game if they take away my ability to play in 3d.. it is half the reason I stay with this mediocre game... lol.. (it does look pretty sexy in 3d)
The sad fact is that, even in the hypothetical scenario that EVERY forum user did actually quit subsequent to ARC being implemented, it wouldn't actually have a huge impact on the game itself.
Here's a better idea. Everyone pass the word to your fleetmates. The day Arc becomes mandatory, mass boycott of the game.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Here's a better idea. Everyone pass the word to your fleetmates. The day Arc becomes mandatory, mass boycott of the game.
People wont boycott the game though, if they enjoy the game they will just do whatever it takes to play it....... they are the sheep, the masses that just follow what PWE want, they wont stand up and say NO. But then that's up to them.
I'd like to add that I think it's a pretty dang bad timing to come with this ARC thing again, now that we're supposed to be excited for season 8. :rolleyes:
I'd like to add that I think it's a pretty dang bad timing to come with this ARC thing again, now that we're supposed to be excited for season 8. :rolleyes:
On the contrary, it's perfect timing. If you want people to get over it quickly.
"Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
Yep thats right ARC will soon become mandatory and i for one am pissed at both PWE and Cryptic.
When ARC was first discussed we were told it would NEVER be a mandatory download now were being told it will be .....Yep PWE and Cryptic lied to us.
I for one will not be downloading ARC so when it happens im removing STO from my laptop and going back to console gaming.
I dont like being forced to have something i do not want and second i dont like being lied to that alone ruined any trust or confidence i had with both PWE and Crytic.
Anyways how do the rest of you feel about being forced to download ARC will you do it?
Also how do you enjoy both companies lying to your face.
As I said in the other thread pertaining to this:
The sad fact is we are discussing this on a forum, and forum users make up a very small percentile of the playerbase. The majority of the playbase will remain ignorant of changes until they see/read something about them in-game. Evidence of this is seen frequently when, for example, a new ship is introduced: average player A purchases said ship, and subsequently complains about said ship because it doesn't do what he thought it should. Thus the majority of the playerbase are unlikely to ask any questions until they try to log in to STO one day, to find ARC farting around on their PC.
Is this really how it has to be? Those who bother to use the forums, who take the time to read about, and discuss, the game they enjoy are penalised for doing so in favour of sheep who'll simply eat up whatever is put in front of them without question? Evidentially so.
I've said it before, but will say so again - I don't play ANY other game, PC, console or otherwise. The only game I spend ANY time or ANY money on is STO. I have NO interest whatsoever in playing anything else. So why must I tolerate an intrusive system that tries to encourage me to play other games, and could (and probably will) affect my enjoyment, via reduced laptop performance, of the one game I DO play?
This model REALLY shouldn't work in a customer-focused environment. There should not be a scenario where the customer cannot say "I'm not interested" and walk away. But therein lies the problem - they're not even asking "do you want this"; they're saying "here it comes, like it or not".
But as I said, us forum users are the minority - it's the majority - the 'sheep' - that PWE really care about; the people who log into the game, spend money on everything, ask no questions, make no noise, have no opinion and are either oblivious or insouciant of any changes.
Your absolutley correct for me its the fact they lied about it not being mandatory if they wouldve just came out and said it would be from the beggining id been ok with it...still wouldnt have downloaded it but i wouldnt be so damn angry.
I just dont like being lied to and PWE and Cryptic did just that
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Don't worry. I'm sure there will only be a couple of patches where they accidentally default the setting to on...
And keep circulating the non-Arc installer, people. If they take it off the website, I'll reupload it somewhere else.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Well, STO was nice while it lasted. Well, gives me a reason to go join Star Citizen.
Ultimately, I'm going to wait and see how things are implemented with a mildly-jaded open mind. I quit Blizzard (as someone who had pretty much every game and expansion they put out - including both versions of Rock N Roll Racing and Diablo 1's Hellfire expansion) cold turkey when they rolled out the abhorrent new battle.net . If don't like the smell of ARC when it lands, PWE will join my blacklist.
Until the day that ARC arrives, I will remain hopeful and try to be constructive. I've already posted my concerns/suggestions in the appropriate thread. I suggest others do the same.
Good initiative with that "non-Arc" installer. But from what I've read Arc will have to run in the background while playing, or STO won't work at all. =/
Yeah looks like it's back to playing Armada and Armada 2. Oh well, was fun while it lasted. Thanks for ruining a great game.
I do not want my credit card info that easy to get, if my account gets TRIBBLE now all I need to worry about is my account and not my OWN PERSONAL CREDIT INFORMATION, and yes I used caps so that if any devs are reading this they know exactly why I will not be opting into this program
It reminds me of the TNG episode where the whole crew of the Enterprise becomes addicted to a game and in that process they nearly start to hand the federation over to a group of aliens.
In closing, I really do love STO and it will hurt a lot to leave it but I will be leaving if Arc becomes mandatory, no doubt about that at all.
It is already on sadly. Even if you tick the "No" to sending statistics and information, Arc still periodically scans all your local hard drives and sends the data to PWE...
I cannot test to see if Arc logs anything when you open a program or go to a link, but I would not put that past them either tbh.... :mad:
I already switched to Steam ages ago when the Steamrunner pack came out. I do not launch STO through Steam as you can launch it independently thankfully.
I will be looking into whether you can install Arc, move STO from its folder and then delete Arc, but i'll have to see how interconnected they are...
I've kept coming back to STO, even though I've needed the occasional break from Sliderbars Online, but a loadgate bloatware application is a dealbreaker for me. I really don't care how sleek or lightweight or supposedly non-intrusive it is; the day when Arc becomes mandatory is the day I stop playing this game, it's that simple.
PWE, by adding this feature you will not be "enriching" my game experience. You will be ending it.
:mad:
Here's a better idea. Everyone pass the word to your fleetmates. The day Arc becomes mandatory, mass boycott of the game.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
People wont boycott the game though, if they enjoy the game they will just do whatever it takes to play it....... they are the sheep, the masses that just follow what PWE want, they wont stand up and say NO. But then that's up to them.
On the contrary, it's perfect timing. If you want people to get over it quickly.
system Lord Baal is dead
When ARC was first discussed we were told it would NEVER be a mandatory download now were being told it will be .....Yep PWE and Cryptic lied to us.
I for one will not be downloading ARC so when it happens im removing STO from my laptop and going back to console gaming.
I dont like being forced to have something i do not want and second i dont like being lied to that alone ruined any trust or confidence i had with both PWE and Crytic.
Anyways how do the rest of you feel about being forced to download ARC will you do it?
Also how do you enjoy both companies lying to your face.
system Lord Baal is dead
anyways im gonna play STO till the night before it becomes mandatory then im taking STO from my computer and walking away.
right now its time to go ingame and start sliming things up for what lyes ahead.
Your absolutley correct for me its the fact they lied about it not being mandatory if they wouldve just came out and said it would be from the beggining id been ok with it...still wouldnt have downloaded it but i wouldnt be so damn angry.
I just dont like being lied to and PWE and Cryptic did just that