While it is a MMO and there is a social aspect to it, having the option not to be affected by them does not change that.
It's also a combat game. Is it a case that characters are free to run around shooting other characters as they please? No, if somebody wishes to participate in such - they have the options to participate in such as they please.
Some people socialize with RP. Some do not. They have a choice there, eh?
Some people join fleets to socialize. Some socialize without joining a fleet. They have a choice there, eh?
Yes - again it is a MMO and has a social aspect - players should be able to dictate how they socialize. They should not have that dictated to them - forced upon them - by other players. Forcing somebody to do something that they do not wish to do...is not very social.
I can see not wanting to waste development time in making any changes - but that begs the question of why any development time was wasted on them in the first place when so many bugs were brought up during the LoR beta that were not addressed before its launch and have yet to been addressed to this point.
Some people like it. Some people do not. Some people like it at certain times. Some people do not like it at other times. Etc, etc, etc.
The Party Amp provides a means to violate the STO Behavior and Harassment Policy.
Rather than suggesting that it be removed, that it be restricted to certain areas, that it be restricted only to the player or their team, etc, etc, etc...I've simply asked for the option to be able to opt out of being affected by it.
That people are opposed to such a simple suggestion is somewhat mind-boggling.
2nd this with a HUGE thumbs UP!
*STO*Its mission: To destroy strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations... and then kill them, to boldly annihilate what no one has annihilated before!
So sad people are here for the MMORPG and not Star Trek.
All those saying, "Go play a single player game," please hurry up and create one for Star Trek so STO can become an empty wasteland of only MMORPGrs.
As for a developer intentionally creating these and posting about griefing others with them, "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" if you know what I mean. Perhaps a lively discussion should be had about this.
Those that still don't get it: Imagine you are in a room with a bunch of people in the RW and you continuously griefed the room, wouldn't someone who is "no fun" come over and pop you one for it? Until these games can have that level of realism, maybe with some Black Ice from Shadowrun, then some control should be provided.
The best idea would be the option to disable these griefer items.
The best idea would be the option to disable these griefer items.
Oh, and please fire the griefer dev.
So 90% of the people and 1 employee are punished because 10% of the people do not like the it and cannot retaliate against an even smaller number of griefers? And what about people like the OP in this thread who does like the party amp just not all the time. That idea of just disabling is the wrong one to have and childish. Childish like "I don't like your toy so im going to throw it away and you can't have it anymore.".
Plus retaliate? Maybe in elementary school but as adults thats not the best option or should be an option, simply not participating in the event and informing those who ask why the reason why is the best option. Especialy considering that retaliation is called assault and can lead to you being arrested and guarantees you will not be invited back. Nothing like going to jail and possibly losing you work over an assault charge or in the least dealing with court over it.
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"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
All i can say its another post by the kill-joy brigade, harden up princesses, if ya dont like the aspect of disco balls n party poppers, why do you continue to play ?
Please show on the doll where the evil disco ball touched your pixelated parts.:rolleyes:
You might not be able to live with this horrid mental scars inflicted upon your tender soul by a harmless item in a video game.
Oh the agony, oh the horror, oh the humanity.
Having recently witnessed the infantile hysteria of average creatures in "prominent" RP fleet I would say the community has much bigger issues than a few disco balls.
Not to mention that good RP (basic literacy, common sense, some knowledge of the lore, lacking personal ego trips, no ERP, no deviant perverts) is as easy to find as a one-legged dodo bird that collects 19th century German postage stamps.
Whether it be virtual or real world, forcing someone to do something against their will is wrong and illegal.
R*** is R*** whether it be mind or body.
When she says, "NO" she means NO.
I'm sorry, I meant to stay out of this whole discussion. But your comment got to me. How can you in good conscience compare an emote, in a video game with a real world sexual assault? That's in an insult to anyone who has ever been exposed to any kind of behavior like that and with this reaction your are basically telling victims that "hey, you might have been sexually assualted or molested, but don't complain because my character in a video game did a dance I couldn't control".
I'm sorry, I find this highly offensive and appalling that anyone would even dream of making that comparison. Grow up.
I'm sorry, I meant to stay out of this whole discussion. But your comment got to me. How can you in good conscience compare an emote, in a video game with a real world sexual assault? That's in an insult to anyone who has ever been exposed to any kind of behavior like that and with this reaction your are basically telling victims that "hey, you might have been sexually assualted or molested, but don't complain because my character in a video game did a dance I couldn't control".
I'm sorry, I find this highly offensive and appalling that anyone would even dream of making that comparison. Grow up.
Whether it be virtual or real world, forcing someone to do something against their will is wrong and illegal.
R*** is R*** whether it be mind or body.
When she says, "NO" she means NO.
Adults can understand this concept. Unfortunately, not everyone grows up.
Really wishing for that Black Ice right about now chummers.
You have bigger issues than an item in a video game and far beyond the scope of the said video game.
As much as the guy couple of pages back with his definition of "psychology", video game item = harassment = murder.
When somebody takes gaming this seriously it means it is taken personally, something I usually associate with ERP-ers and types living a bit too much through their characters.
Not to mention whoever labels this as a harassment has no idea what that means.
Whether it be virtual or real world, forcing someone to do something against their will is wrong and illegal.
R*** is R*** whether it be mind or body.
When she says, "NO" she means NO.
Adults can understand this concept. Unfortunately, not everyone grows up.
Really wishing for that Black Ice right about now chummers.
I have an ascii facepalm pic I would use if I was allowed to here.
I ignore anyone in game who uses that word to mean owning someone or an NPC, because I find it just disgusting to use it that way I do so in every game I play. However you have sunk even lower than I though it was possible to go to equate an ingame item with this abominable crime. I didn't think I could feel more disgusted by the use of this word in relation to a game, well thanks to you I found I could.
Now to get back on topic.
I don't see how the OPs suggestion has people coming up with the attitude of lighten up. They are not suggestiong getting rid of it. It is a request for an option to choose should you wish to. I could understand the atitude if it was along the lines of "I don't like this now please remove it fomr the game".
How does a choice of whether or not you want your character to be affected by it make people react in such a way?
I have gotten involved in it when I was in the mood, shard of possabilites adding two more dancers and throw in a smoke granade too give a dance floor smoke effect you have in some clubs. However I avoid it when I want to as well. Some just don't want it to affect them at all and I can understand that. I support the idea of an option that people can choose to activate or not.
But anyway, it was a simple request for The Party Amp and any such future devices in the game: A player should be able to go into Options and select not to be affected by it.
He was not asking for it to be gotten rid of or that it is off by default, thus giving players the choice to turn it off. Whch is why I don't understand the whole "lighten up" attitude of some posters. If he was asking for it to be gotten rid of entuirely I could understand the attitude, but not over giving players the choice.
He was not asking for it to be gotten rid of or that it is off by default, thus giving players the choice to turn it off. Whch is why I don't understand the whole "lighten up" attitude of some posters. If he was asking for it to be gotten rid of entuirely I could understand the attitude, but not over giving players the choice.
Several threads were merged...my simple (imho) thing about it not breaking nor preventing emotes...got mixed in with some of the, ahem - yeah, I'd have to agree with some of the lighten up replies in the thread. I created my thread after the "lunacy" of one of the threads out there - think that one got nuked, but then a few more popped up. For some reason they were merged. Oh well...
Several threads were merged...my simple (imho) thing about it not breaking nor preventing emotes...got mixed in with some of the, ahem - yeah, I'd have to agree with some of the lighten up replies in the thread. I created my thread after the "lunacy" of one of the threads out there - think that one got nuked, but then a few more popped up. For some reason they were merged. Oh well...
Well that explains it. If people are saying get rid of it then I understand the attitude to a point, as it does not actually interfer with gameplay in a truely disruptive way in the sense you loose control of your character until it disappears. After all if you move it gets cancelled.
Yah, I'm the sicko, keep telling yourself that every time you grief someone to get your jollies.
In my line of work, we call this a gateway behavior. It signals a type of criminal intent.
And no one is safe from it. I get a great deal of joy introducing perps to the system. I can at least tell myself I'm removing this element from the world.
Yah, I'm the sicko, keep telling yourself that every time you grief someone to get your jollies.
In my line of work, we call this a gateway behavior. It signals a type of criminal intent.
And no one is safe from it. I get a great deal of joy introducing perps to the system. I can at least tell myself I'm removing this element from the world.
That all might well be true, but comparing someone trolling ESD or Drozana with a ball which makes your online avatar dance, with real world sexual assault - is just so demeaning to the latter that no matter what you say, nobody can take you seriously and you ruin your whole argument.
That's just insulting to anyone who's been affected by a tragedy like this in their lives.
It's also a good way to defuse my opinion, which is a standard MMO forum tactic.
I see many handles in here that were in the Starfleet Dental rant.
How is this griefing any different than what you were complaining about them doing.
If your kneejerk response is, "It's a matter of quantity," then you are rationalizing the same behavior.
It isn't, but I never accused them of sexual assault. What they are doing is wrong, it's a pain, it's not necessary and it can be unpleasant at times. That's a far cry from your real world examples. They are annoying troll bullies, not criminals. All you need to do is move instances and use your ignore list. It's not hard to do that.
Whether it be virtual or real world, forcing someone to do something against their will is wrong and illegal.
R*** is R*** whether it be mind or body.
When she says, "NO" she means NO.
Adults can understand this concept. Unfortunately, not everyone grows up.
Really wishing for that Black Ice right about now chummers.
This is by a far, far, margin the most idiotic, asinine and ignorant thing I have ever seen anyone post in a long, long time. You, sir, have lost all sense of reality and common sense if you think for a second that having someone annoy you in game can, in any universe, be put on the same level with the pain, terror and humiliation of a physical violation.
If you had any sense of human decency you'd be hanging your head right now.
This reminds me of that line in Monty Python and The Holy Grail... "Help, help, I'm being oppressed."
Good God, man. Get some perspective and grow the hell up.
I get such a kick out of all you criminal types deriding me for my behavior.
Hang my head LOL! I'll be riding high and standing tall throwing people like this in jail just because they didn't have the common decency to just leave people TF alone.
It was a comparative behavior. Just like all you rationalizing that you aren't as bad as dental because you only grief a little bit... and they put it in game so there.. oh wait Dental is exploiting.. er I mean using in game stuff too.
BUT you better keep bringing up that extreme, It's the only leg you have to stand on. Better criticize my grammar while your at it too. Nothing proves a point better than smearing the other guy. :rolleyes:
AND Dental has never bothered me, most likely because I'm not an RPGer.
I have NO problems with them.
Griefers make ME sick and they should be the ones seeking help.
I get suck a kick out of all you criminal types deriding me for my behavior.
Hang my head LOL! I'll be riding high and standing tall throwing people like this in jail just because they didn't have the common decency to just leave people TF alone.
It was a comparative behavior. Just like all you rationalizing that you aren't as bad as dental because you only grief a little bit... and they put it in game so there.. oh wait Dental is exploiting.. er I mean using in game stuff too.
BUT you better keep bringing up that extreme, It's the only leg you have to stand on. Better criticize my grammar while your at it too. Nothing proves a point better than smearing the other guy. :rolleyes:
AND Dental has never bothered me, most likely because I'm not an RPGer.
I have NO problems with them.
Griefers make ME sick and they should be the ones seeking help.
After all, I can only process one at a time.
LOL, wow you give real law enforcement a bad name.
So sad people are here for the MMORPG and not Star Trek.
All those saying, "Go play a single player game," please hurry up and create one for Star Trek so STO can become an empty wasteland of only MMORPGrs.
As for a developer intentionally creating these and posting about griefing others with them, "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" if you know what I mean. Perhaps a lively discussion should be had about this.
Those that still don't get it: Imagine you are in a room with a bunch of people in the RW and you continuously griefed the room, wouldn't someone who is "no fun" come over and pop you one for it? Until these games can have that level of realism, maybe with some Black Ice from Shadowrun, then some control should be provided.
The best idea would be the option to disable these griefer items.
Oh, and please fire the griefer dev.
It IS an MMO.... Expecting the other players to leave you to sulk in your dark corner is idiotic....
A VALID RW analogy would be to compare this to a boom box..... You turn it on and now everyone in earshot is "forced" to listen to whatever music you feel like playing.... But that's about it...
I get suck a kick out of all you criminal types deriding me for my behavior.
Hang my head LOL! I'll be riding high and standing tall throwing people like this in jail just because they didn't have the common decency to just leave people TF alone.
It was a comparative behavior. Just like all you rationalizing that you aren't as bad as dental because you only grief a little bit... and they put it in game so there.. oh wait Dental is exploiting.. er I mean using in game stuff too.
BUT you better keep bringing up that extreme, It's the only leg you have to stand on. Better criticize my grammar while your at it too. Nothing proves a point better than smearing the other guy. :rolleyes:
AND Dental has never bothered me, most likely because I'm not an RPGer.
I have NO problems with them.
Griefers make ME sick and they should be the ones seeking help.
After all, I can only process one at a time.
The only one exhibiting criminal behaviour is yourself. Your gateway behaviour of acting out on the forums combined with your delusions is a dangerous mix. You should seek help.
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Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun, but mama, that's where the fun is.
2nd this with a HUGE thumbs UP!
All those saying, "Go play a single player game," please hurry up and create one for Star Trek so STO can become an empty wasteland of only MMORPGrs.
As for a developer intentionally creating these and posting about griefing others with them, "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" if you know what I mean. Perhaps a lively discussion should be had about this.
Those that still don't get it: Imagine you are in a room with a bunch of people in the RW and you continuously griefed the room, wouldn't someone who is "no fun" come over and pop you one for it? Until these games can have that level of realism, maybe with some Black Ice from Shadowrun, then some control should be provided.
The best idea would be the option to disable these griefer items.
Oh, and please fire the griefer dev.
So 90% of the people and 1 employee are punished because 10% of the people do not like the it and cannot retaliate against an even smaller number of griefers? And what about people like the OP in this thread who does like the party amp just not all the time. That idea of just disabling is the wrong one to have and childish. Childish like "I don't like your toy so im going to throw it away and you can't have it anymore.".
Plus retaliate? Maybe in elementary school but as adults thats not the best option or should be an option, simply not participating in the event and informing those who ask why the reason why is the best option. Especialy considering that retaliation is called assault and can lead to you being arrested and guarantees you will not be invited back. Nothing like going to jail and possibly losing you work over an assault charge or in the least dealing with court over it.
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
You might not be able to live with this horrid mental scars inflicted upon your tender soul by a harmless item in a video game.
Oh the agony, oh the horror, oh the humanity.
Having recently witnessed the infantile hysteria of average creatures in "prominent" RP fleet I would say the community has much bigger issues than a few disco balls.
Not to mention that good RP (basic literacy, common sense, some knowledge of the lore, lacking personal ego trips, no ERP, no deviant perverts) is as easy to find as a one-legged dodo bird that collects 19th century German postage stamps.
YMMV
R*** is R*** whether it be mind or body.
When she says, "NO" she means NO.
Adults can understand this concept. Unfortunately, not everyone grows up.
Really wishing for that Black Ice right about now chummers.
I'm sorry, I meant to stay out of this whole discussion. But your comment got to me. How can you in good conscience compare an emote, in a video game with a real world sexual assault? That's in an insult to anyone who has ever been exposed to any kind of behavior like that and with this reaction your are basically telling victims that "hey, you might have been sexually assualted or molested, but don't complain because my character in a video game did a dance I couldn't control".
I'm sorry, I find this highly offensive and appalling that anyone would even dream of making that comparison. Grow up.
Thank you, somebody needed to say that.
Kirk's Protege.
You have bigger issues than an item in a video game and far beyond the scope of the said video game.
As much as the guy couple of pages back with his definition of "psychology", video game item = harassment = murder.
When somebody takes gaming this seriously it means it is taken personally, something I usually associate with ERP-ers and types living a bit too much through their characters.
Not to mention whoever labels this as a harassment has no idea what that means.
How can I get bored of the Forums, when people post gems like this....it's better than TV
Item in a game = ****..
You are a disgusting, human being for thinking this is an even remotely applicable comparison.
I have an ascii facepalm pic I would use if I was allowed to here.
I ignore anyone in game who uses that word to mean owning someone or an NPC, because I find it just disgusting to use it that way I do so in every game I play. However you have sunk even lower than I though it was possible to go to equate an ingame item with this abominable crime. I didn't think I could feel more disgusted by the use of this word in relation to a game, well thanks to you I found I could.
Now to get back on topic.
I don't see how the OPs suggestion has people coming up with the attitude of lighten up. They are not suggestiong getting rid of it. It is a request for an option to choose should you wish to. I could understand the atitude if it was along the lines of "I don't like this now please remove it fomr the game".
How does a choice of whether or not you want your character to be affected by it make people react in such a way?
I have gotten involved in it when I was in the mood, shard of possabilites adding two more dancers and throw in a smoke granade too give a dance floor smoke effect you have in some clubs. However I avoid it when I want to as well. Some just don't want it to affect them at all and I can understand that. I support the idea of an option that people can choose to activate or not.
I support your idea!
There are times when I want to get something done, and I get annoyed when I see myself dancing.
Players, though, should get an option whether they should be affected.
Not blanketing it completely, I am just saying there ought to be an option.
If they implement, it would be "on".
you would then have to manually turn it "off".
I hope STO get's better ...
That is what the OP was asking for:
He was not asking for it to be gotten rid of or that it is off by default, thus giving players the choice to turn it off. Whch is why I don't understand the whole "lighten up" attitude of some posters. If he was asking for it to be gotten rid of entuirely I could understand the attitude, but not over giving players the choice.
Several threads were merged...my simple (imho) thing about it not breaking nor preventing emotes...got mixed in with some of the, ahem - yeah, I'd have to agree with some of the lighten up replies in the thread. I created my thread after the "lunacy" of one of the threads out there - think that one got nuked, but then a few more popped up. For some reason they were merged. Oh well...
Well that explains it. If people are saying get rid of it then I understand the attitude to a point, as it does not actually interfer with gameplay in a truely disruptive way in the sense you loose control of your character until it disappears. After all if you move it gets cancelled.
In my line of work, we call this a gateway behavior. It signals a type of criminal intent.
And no one is safe from it. I get a great deal of joy introducing perps to the system. I can at least tell myself I'm removing this element from the world.
That all might well be true, but comparing someone trolling ESD or Drozana with a ball which makes your online avatar dance, with real world sexual assault - is just so demeaning to the latter that no matter what you say, nobody can take you seriously and you ruin your whole argument.
That's just insulting to anyone who's been affected by a tragedy like this in their lives.
Kirk's Protege.
I see many handles in here that were in the Starfleet Dental rant.
How is this griefing any different than what you were complaining about them doing.
If your kneejerk response is, "It's a matter of quantity," then you are rationalizing the same behavior.
It isn't, but I never accused them of sexual assault. What they are doing is wrong, it's a pain, it's not necessary and it can be unpleasant at times. That's a far cry from your real world examples. They are annoying troll bullies, not criminals. All you need to do is move instances and use your ignore list. It's not hard to do that.
This sounds like solid advice.
Kirk's Protege.
This is by a far, far, margin the most idiotic, asinine and ignorant thing I have ever seen anyone post in a long, long time. You, sir, have lost all sense of reality and common sense if you think for a second that having someone annoy you in game can, in any universe, be put on the same level with the pain, terror and humiliation of a physical violation.
If you had any sense of human decency you'd be hanging your head right now.
This reminds me of that line in Monty Python and The Holy Grail... "Help, help, I'm being oppressed."
Good God, man. Get some perspective and grow the hell up.
Hang my head LOL! I'll be riding high and standing tall throwing people like this in jail just because they didn't have the common decency to just leave people TF alone.
It was a comparative behavior. Just like all you rationalizing that you aren't as bad as dental because you only grief a little bit... and they put it in game so there.. oh wait Dental is exploiting.. er I mean using in game stuff too.
BUT you better keep bringing up that extreme, It's the only leg you have to stand on. Better criticize my grammar while your at it too. Nothing proves a point better than smearing the other guy. :rolleyes:
AND Dental has never bothered me, most likely because I'm not an RPGer.
I have NO problems with them.
Griefers make ME sick and they should be the ones seeking help.
After all, I can only process one at a time.
LOL, wow you give real law enforcement a bad name.
so these are you idea of good features ? :rolleyes: , I thought this was a trek game
DELTA PRICE RISING
A VALID RW analogy would be to compare this to a boom box..... You turn it on and now everyone in earshot is "forced" to listen to whatever music you feel like playing.... But that's about it...
My character Tsin'xing
The only one exhibiting criminal behaviour is yourself. Your gateway behaviour of acting out on the forums combined with your delusions is a dangerous mix. You should seek help.
If you can't find help then maybe this instructional video will help you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYNf-A5mavA
Wish there was a forum ignore list so you didn't have to see devian666 posts.
Go get back to fixing teeth.
Kirk's Protege.