Why when you use these devices do you always place them over Bank and Exchange areas?
If your at Dronza or other RP areas or on Starbases why not use them near the Bar or on the Dance floor or in in rec areas?
Why do you insist on deploying them in places by consoles where players are trying to conduct transactions?, or in shipyards where people are trying to equip or change ships? or over the top of Vendors that players are trying to buy items from?
I think I know the answer but would like one of them to admit it.
Actually, the answer may be, "There's people by the terminals, so I'll use it there." Or it might be, " Hey, I have to use this terminal, let me light off a disco ball while I'm here."
Was either of those an answer you were expecting? Because I'm PRETTY sure that between those two, that covers why 99% of the people that pick a location to light off a ball.
And this could be turned around just as much. "Why are you using a terminal, in an area where I want to light off a disco ball?"
Actually, real answer is neither. You want the real scientific answer? I'll tell you, but to understand it, you have to have a little insight into psychology. There are 2 behaviors that release stimulating hormones, giving a person a sense of self importance and satisfaction:
1) Helping someone or otherwise aiding them, e.g. helping an individual who has lost their balance back to their feet.
2) Being the cause or perpetrator of someone's loss, failure or annoyance. e.g. kicking the crutches out from someone causing them to fall to the ground.
The second of these of these behaviors is so strong that a person inclined to that attitude can salivate and increase temperature just by the mere thought of an adverse action towards someone. If you don't believe we get kicks out of causing distress to someone or something else, there are studies that have tackled the subject with unflattering results; such as the recent experiment where people intentionally ran over turtles (not real ones, but they didn't know it).
What all this has to do with the Disco aka Griefer's Ball? Because the ball caters to both mentalities, that's what makes it so cool and awesome. If you want to gather some friends and light up a party, it lets you. If you want to pester someone hours on end, it lets you do that too, because like I said earlier, in their mind they're thinking, "I'm making them do what I want, wooo the power!"
I don't take it bad on those who want to party. Neither do I take it against those who find it somewhat annoying, especially if done continually and repetitively towards a certain group or especially a single player. For such occasions, I have my own solution: I have stockpiled thousands of balls as well. Why? When I see that someone is up to that in my vicinity, I unleash one of my own, that way they can't release theirs and are forced to dance to mine. Love it when they rage that they can't release theirs. I'm jist kewl like dat. :cool:
I personally enjoy using them on NPCs who would not be dancing under any circumstances. Used it on Vulcan on a group of monks. They must have been struggling with the logic of it as they repeatedly tried (and failed) to carry on their regular routines.
I will admit to using it around the tailor on ESD, as it looks like a mosh pit with everyone standing around.
I like these disco balls. Just one question: How long do they last for after being triggered? I was on defera invasion and one was active for 10 minutes and never shut off.
Just got trolled with one. Did a tonic dance and Dental goon came running over and placed one on top of me. -_-
If you are KDF then do the spotlight foundry mission The honor of Profit if you want your character to do that dance. Has the benifit of not needing a tonic and no dance bombs.
OT:
As for the dance bombs as i call them, and a certain known fleet of fire safety and dental enthusiasts and those that are annoyed at the dance bombs and fire extinguishers.. WHY the EFF do you go back to Drozana? You know they will be there, you know they will try to grief you. Thats like knowing a wood chipper will chew off your hand then sticking your whole arm into one. Methinks you people whinging about griefers secretly enjoy what they do and how it makes you feel since you people keep returning to where they reside and doing the the things that get them to start griefing.
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"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
I have YET to see ONE example of this thing doing anything more than making 2 visual alterations:
1> Make all (Well, almost all, a few seem to be immune) PC's and NPC's dance, if they are standing still. However, except in the case of jetpacking/floating, if you're character is using ANY other animation, that animation ovverrides the command to dance.
2> It makes light streams & confetti-looking things.
Now, if you're PC is so hard-pressed that ONE disco ball affects your game-play, you need a new PC anyway.
It doesn't alter anything that you're trying to do. You can talk to people, interact with NPC's, interact with various consoles (all of them), doesn't interrupt already open windows. Nada, nothing.
And it's not like some objects that can be spammed. There's only 1 allowed within a certain radius. And some areas, of some zones, don't even allow for any at all.
So in summation : If you don't like 'em, don't buy them. But don't impose your whiny attitude on someone else that might be looking to inject a little fun into the atmosphere they are in.
(*Oh, and btw, I use them more on myself than anyone else, just so I can take screenshots of my characters jetpack-dancing, I think it's a hoot!*)
1> False, which is one of the main uses of this item by a certain fleet. If you have just spent 10k (or whatever they sell for nowadays on the exchange) on a Nerve Tonic and pop the cork and down it, now you're doing the belly dance which SFD and its ilk so despise. Then along comes one of those moral thought police who believe it is their job to insulate adults from seeing an ancient artform, and he/she pops one of these dancing griefer balls. Guess what? Your 10k (or whatever) is down the toilet. Because you stop doing your dance, and start doing their dance. I had been loathe to point this out in the public fora, but by now I doubt anyone in the troll fleets is unaware of this "feature." Yeah, you can get various foundry missions to do the dance, too, but they are tied to specific locations, which may or may not be ideal, for whatever reasons.
2> And noise and flashing light.
And to refer to someone who doesn't want others controlling his/her toon as "imposing ... [their] whiny attitude on someone else that might be looking to inject a little fun ..." is really, like, totally ironic -- or, y'know, just simply obtuse.
Yep, that bartender works fine for selling off junk, and even more exciting...
One of my engineers just got reassigned to SFA along with her 300 wonderful disco balls.
And look: this is precisely the attitude we're objecting to. Someone announces that they've left their usual location due to being annoyed by others using this item, and right away, someone declares that they're going to follow him to his new location to use this item on him. LEAVE OTHER PEOPLE ALONE already. Is it really so difficult to not TRIBBLE with other people? Are you acting under some sort of compulsion to sadistic behavior? If your delight manifests only as the fruit of someone else being screwed with, then you're in need of professional help (and more to the point, ought to be kept from interacting with others).
I have stockpiled a few thousand of dancing balls, and I am going to launch them wherever I want and whenever I want. :P
Love to launch it in risa when someone is resting on those beach benches or on RP players. Yesterday, I launched one in the middle of wedding ceremony in Bajor, and suffice to say the chat was full of adjectives
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Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
The dancing ball is a fun item and a real party goer. However for everything is a right time and a right place. It is great that we can use the item outside of Risa, because it gives the player more options, but when I see it in action somewhere where it has no place, I can only see it as a form of not mature game behaviour.
Next we can wonder what would happen if the dancing ball had only a light and music effect. Afterall this game has some wonderful dance emotes. Did they think the average player is too stupid to let his character dance? So I suggest a little change. The disco ball does not make nearby characters dance, but when a character dances near a ball, it would get a small buff of any random kind.
At a Senate meeting of my fleet I set one off and danced on a table
they threatened to have me shot , blown out of an airlock or assigned to bunk with toven khev
Not for dancing
but for standing on a table During senate
Theres a place for dancing and it seems senate is not it.
Love to launch it in risa when someone is resting on those beach benches or on RP players. Yesterday, I launched one in the middle of wedding ceremony in Bajor, and suffice to say the chat was full of adjectives
*slow clap*
Wow, you really must feel like a mature and fulfilled individual! :rolleyes:
Love to launch it in risa when someone is resting on those beach benches or on RP players. Yesterday, I launched one in the middle of wedding ceremony in Bajor, and suffice to say the chat was full of adjectives
*slow clap*
Wow, you really must feel like a mature and fulfilled individual! :rolleyes:
Who? The people pretending to get married in a video game or the guy who decided to kick off the reception party early? Just sayin...
Honestly, I do think people are blasting things a little out of proportion here. Besides, if the overwhelming majority says they are great and fun things to use you don't have much say in the matter. The voice of the community has spoken!
Who? The people pretending to get married in a video game or the guy who decided to kick off the reception party early? Just sayin...
Honestly, I do think people are blasting things a little out of proportion here. Besides, if the overwhelming majority says they are great and fun things to use you don't have much say in the matter. The voice of the community has spoken!
As I said earlier, I don't have a problem with the disco balls - used appropriately.
However, if your idea of having fun involves spoiling other people's fun, you need to rethink your idea of fun.
It's a fun toy to play with, if you can't deal with it being in game, you have the choice to not log in...
Or, more to the point, if you can't handle a little harmless fun between people, then you shouldn't be playing a multiplayer game to begin with, let alone one with LOTS of players. :rolleyes:
And look: this is precisely the attitude we're objecting to. Someone announces that they've left their usual location due to being annoyed by others using this item, and right away, someone declares that they're going to follow him to his new location to use this item on him. LEAVE OTHER PEOPLE ALONE already. Is it really so difficult to not TRIBBLE with other people? Are you acting under some sort of compulsion to sadistic behavior? If your delight manifests only as the fruit of someone else being screwed with, then you're in need of professional help (and more to the point, ought to be kept from interacting with others).
You know, this is what some people just don't get. Reason being they're not as sensitive emotion-wise. Some of us are lucky enough to have kept our youthful skills of emotional acuity, while for others, this has been replaced by the social indoctrination that being a brat/jerk/insane/whateverelsetheycallit is cool and showing that attitude off makes you fit in with the crowd. It's not their fault really, everyone wants to feel accepted and cool, but it don't make life easier for us who observe that behavior and have to put up with it while retaining our own sanity...
They want to get loose? I agree, so do like I do: when I see them refusing to leave someone asking to be left alone, I get out one of mine so griefer dances to my balls, er ball. When griefer sees that, they'll sometimes pepper the area around with dancing balls in rage, which makes them loose more than you do. The more they spend, the less they'll have and even thousands don't last forever. :eek: Then a few months after the Risan event is over, you may be lucky enough to be there the day their balls run out. At said time you can then gloat on 'em poor unlucky eunuchs impotent without their game Viagra. You'll have like sooo much fun.
Actually, here's a thought which crossed my mind...
How much work would it be, programmatically, to do a check against people's ignore lists? Say, jerk X detonates a disco ball in an area, and the system checks, and everyone who has jerk X on their ignore list... isn't affected?
... Probably, more work than simply disabling the balls - which I suspect is what will happen, sooner or later.
Actually, here's a thought which crossed my mind...
How much work would it be, programmatically, to do a check against people's ignore lists? Say, jerk X detonates a disco ball in an area, and the system checks, and everyone who has jerk X on their ignore list... isn't affected?
... Probably, more work than simply disabling the balls - which I suspect is what will happen, sooner or later.
Unlikely, the same arguements were made about the balloon launchers, and as we all know, they weren't changed at all.
How the dour Klingon bridge crew of the I.K.S. Malice got their "groove" back.:D
C'mon I found it hysterical to watch my crew of hard@sses get down. I popped one at ESD in an area that was lightly trafficked, and was surprised that people actually gravitated to it.
Who? The people pretending to get married in a video game or the guy who decided to kick off the reception party early? Just sayin...
Honestly, I do think people are blasting things a little out of proportion here. Besides, if the overwhelming majority says they are great and fun things to use you don't have much say in the matter. The voice of the community has spoken!
Aaaand aren't you also pretending to be a starship captain in the same video game? Just sayin'....
I like those disco balls, I have a couple hundred of them across a few chars. Nothing better to buy with GPL anyway. The only problem I have with them is that they don't play this tune!
But guess what? I use it to groove with friends or on places where there are a lot of NPCs grouped and possible where people are not doing anything that can be distracted by the ball. Figure that, huh?
..and you must be the groom in that party :rolleyes:
Nope, I don't RP. But I'll tell you what - since you said it yourself that you like to use the dancing ball on other people that are RP-ing for no aparent reason besides raining on their parade and spoiling their fun - that makes you the griefer.
But I'll tell you what - since you said it yourself that you like to use the dancing ball on other people that are RP-ing for no aparent reason besides raining on their parade and spoiling their fun - that makes you the griefer.
I think, really, that this ought to serve as an /thread
It can't be made any plainer, as shpoks has pointed out; they really are griefers, and this out of their own mouths, too.
They know we don't like it; they persist in doing it to us. Moving to a different location doesn't help. Sounds like some gaming companies' definitions of "harassment."
The idea behind it is, "I am making the other fellow do what I want." I know it's just a game, but that is a creepy thought and for that alone I'm with the OP on using with restraint...
If you can force someone to dance, what keeps someone from being forced to commit murder...
while for others, this has been replaced by the social indoctrination that being a brat/jerk/insane/whateverelsetheycallit is cool and showing that attitude off makes you fit in with the crowd. It's not their fault really, everyone wants to feel accepted and cool, but it don't make life easier for us who observe that behavior and have to put up with it while retaining our own sanity...
so griefer dances to my balls, er ball. When griefer sees that, they'll sometimes pepper the area around with dancing balls in rage, which makes them loose more than you do. The more they spend, the less they'll have and even thousands don't last forever. :eek: Then a few months after the Risan event is over, you may be lucky enough to be there the day their balls run out. At said time you can then gloat on 'em poor unlucky eunuchs impotent without their game Viagra. You'll have like sooo much fun.
Makes me wish I had the spare latinum to buy a bunch of these. I don't normally waste currencies on this type of pointless bauble, but all these hilarious crying threads about it just make me want to be that guy...
I hadn't been buying them but this thread put me over.
Aaaand aren't you also pretending to be a starship captain in the same video game? Just sayin'.....
Gawd no, you'd think I'd still be playing if I had to act like a real captain. I'd be kicked out of the bridge after like 20 minutes, including the 15 minutes needed to figure out how to get the ship moving in the first place
Truth be told I'm just here to watch space pixels shoot at each other and have some fun doing it. The only times I act a 'proper captain' is when the game expects me too, as conditions for quest completion.
But you make a fair point, and in the interest of fairness I shall grant you a "touche'".
I hadn't been buying them but this thread put me over.
No weirder than guys who think annoying someone else is fun. That to me is weird, but hey, anything that rocks your boat.
Psychology and human behavior should be mandatory teaching in schools starting from elementary. Didn't used to be needed because the basic insights into our behavior were passed down from one generation to another under the auspices of Wisdom; but not anymore it seems. Instead it's become a more taboo subject than sex. We're so scared of ourselves we get annoyed whenever we hear psychological insights, especially if it doesn't fit our pre-conceived notions. As it stands, rocket science is more advanced than the understanding of what lies in our cerebrum. And I don't expect you'll even remotely comprehend anything I say.
Why whine over something that does not effect your game play? Your lives must be that good that you have nothing better to moan and whine about nothing....
If Cryptic gave me A Son'a transporter drone and I could get to transport players to my brig for <enter amount of time> then it would be understandable...... but these things make your character dance, if your using a terminal they do not disrupt you and chances are you can hardly see it anyway, If you are just standing around then just move away if they bother you. Life is to short to worry or get butt-hurt about stuff like this.:P
Why whine over something that does not effect your game play? Your lives must be that good that you have nothing better to moan and whine about nothing....
If Cryptic gave me A Son'a transporter drone and I could get to transport players to my brig for <enter amount of time> then it would be understandable...... but these things make your character dance, if your using a terminal they do not disrupt you and chances are you can hardly see it anyway, If you are just standing around then just move away if they bother you. Life is to short to worry or get butt-hurt about stuff like this.:P
It's not a whine, it's a concern voiced by the OP and shared by others because some players use the ability to deliberately harass a group or single player. I'm not against Disco balls, but I don't advocate their abuse either. Voicing concerns is an important function of the forums in case you haven't noticed.
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Actually, real answer is neither. You want the real scientific answer? I'll tell you, but to understand it, you have to have a little insight into psychology. There are 2 behaviors that release stimulating hormones, giving a person a sense of self importance and satisfaction:
1) Helping someone or otherwise aiding them, e.g. helping an individual who has lost their balance back to their feet.
2) Being the cause or perpetrator of someone's loss, failure or annoyance. e.g. kicking the crutches out from someone causing them to fall to the ground.
The second of these of these behaviors is so strong that a person inclined to that attitude can salivate and increase temperature just by the mere thought of an adverse action towards someone. If you don't believe we get kicks out of causing distress to someone or something else, there are studies that have tackled the subject with unflattering results; such as the recent experiment where people intentionally ran over turtles (not real ones, but they didn't know it).
What all this has to do with the Disco aka Griefer's Ball? Because the ball caters to both mentalities, that's what makes it so cool and awesome. If you want to gather some friends and light up a party, it lets you. If you want to pester someone hours on end, it lets you do that too, because like I said earlier, in their mind they're thinking, "I'm making them do what I want, wooo the power!"
I don't take it bad on those who want to party. Neither do I take it against those who find it somewhat annoying, especially if done continually and repetitively towards a certain group or especially a single player. For such occasions, I have my own solution: I have stockpiled thousands of balls as well. Why? When I see that someone is up to that in my vicinity, I unleash one of my own, that way they can't release theirs and are forced to dance to mine. Love it when they rage that they can't release theirs. I'm jist kewl like dat. :cool:
I will admit to using it around the tailor on ESD, as it looks like a mosh pit with everyone standing around.
If you are KDF then do the spotlight foundry mission The honor of Profit if you want your character to do that dance. Has the benifit of not needing a tonic and no dance bombs.
OT:
As for the dance bombs as i call them, and a certain known fleet of fire safety and dental enthusiasts and those that are annoyed at the dance bombs and fire extinguishers.. WHY the EFF do you go back to Drozana? You know they will be there, you know they will try to grief you. Thats like knowing a wood chipper will chew off your hand then sticking your whole arm into one. Methinks you people whinging about griefers secretly enjoy what they do and how it makes you feel since you people keep returning to where they reside and doing the the things that get them to start griefing.
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
1> False, which is one of the main uses of this item by a certain fleet. If you have just spent 10k (or whatever they sell for nowadays on the exchange) on a Nerve Tonic and pop the cork and down it, now you're doing the belly dance which SFD and its ilk so despise. Then along comes one of those moral thought police who believe it is their job to insulate adults from seeing an ancient artform, and he/she pops one of these dancing griefer balls. Guess what? Your 10k (or whatever) is down the toilet. Because you stop doing your dance, and start doing their dance. I had been loathe to point this out in the public fora, but by now I doubt anyone in the troll fleets is unaware of this "feature." Yeah, you can get various foundry missions to do the dance, too, but they are tied to specific locations, which may or may not be ideal, for whatever reasons.
2> And noise and flashing light.
And to refer to someone who doesn't want others controlling his/her toon as "imposing ... [their] whiny attitude on someone else that might be looking to inject a little fun ..." is really, like, totally ironic -- or, y'know, just simply obtuse.
And look: this is precisely the attitude we're objecting to. Someone announces that they've left their usual location due to being annoyed by others using this item, and right away, someone declares that they're going to follow him to his new location to use this item on him. LEAVE OTHER PEOPLE ALONE already. Is it really so difficult to not TRIBBLE with other people? Are you acting under some sort of compulsion to sadistic behavior? If your delight manifests only as the fruit of someone else being screwed with, then you're in need of professional help (and more to the point, ought to be kept from interacting with others).
Love to launch it in risa when someone is resting on those beach benches or on RP players. Yesterday, I launched one in the middle of wedding ceremony in Bajor, and suffice to say the chat was full of adjectives
Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Next we can wonder what would happen if the dancing ball had only a light and music effect. Afterall this game has some wonderful dance emotes. Did they think the average player is too stupid to let his character dance? So I suggest a little change. The disco ball does not make nearby characters dance, but when a character dances near a ball, it would get a small buff of any random kind.
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they threatened to have me shot , blown out of an airlock or assigned to bunk with toven khev
Not for dancing
but for standing on a table During senate
Theres a place for dancing and it seems senate is not it.
*slow clap*
Wow, you really must feel like a mature and fulfilled individual! :rolleyes:
Who? The people pretending to get married in a video game or the guy who decided to kick off the reception party early? Just sayin...
Honestly, I do think people are blasting things a little out of proportion here. Besides, if the overwhelming majority says they are great and fun things to use you don't have much say in the matter. The voice of the community has spoken!
..and you must be the groom in that party :rolleyes:
Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
As I said earlier, I don't have a problem with the disco balls - used appropriately.
However, if your idea of having fun involves spoiling other people's fun, you need to rethink your idea of fun.
Or, more to the point, if you can't handle a little harmless fun between people, then you shouldn't be playing a multiplayer game to begin with, let alone one with LOTS of players. :rolleyes:
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Thank 'Q' for us.
lmao...buy more bank slots to have room for more
You know, this is what some people just don't get. Reason being they're not as sensitive emotion-wise. Some of us are lucky enough to have kept our youthful skills of emotional acuity, while for others, this has been replaced by the social indoctrination that being a brat/jerk/insane/whateverelsetheycallit is cool and showing that attitude off makes you fit in with the crowd. It's not their fault really, everyone wants to feel accepted and cool, but it don't make life easier for us who observe that behavior and have to put up with it while retaining our own sanity...
They want to get loose? I agree, so do like I do: when I see them refusing to leave someone asking to be left alone, I get out one of mine so griefer dances to my balls, er ball. When griefer sees that, they'll sometimes pepper the area around with dancing balls in rage, which makes them loose more than you do. The more they spend, the less they'll have and even thousands don't last forever. :eek: Then a few months after the Risan event is over, you may be lucky enough to be there the day their balls run out. At said time you can then gloat on 'em poor unlucky eunuchs impotent without their game Viagra. You'll have like sooo much fun.
How much work would it be, programmatically, to do a check against people's ignore lists? Say, jerk X detonates a disco ball in an area, and the system checks, and everyone who has jerk X on their ignore list... isn't affected?
... Probably, more work than simply disabling the balls - which I suspect is what will happen, sooner or later.
My character Tsin'xing
C'mon I found it hysterical to watch my crew of hard@sses get down. I popped one at ESD in an area that was lightly trafficked, and was surprised that people actually gravitated to it.
Aaaand aren't you also pretending to be a starship captain in the same video game? Just sayin'....
I like those disco balls, I have a couple hundred of them across a few chars. Nothing better to buy with GPL anyway. The only problem I have with them is that they don't play this tune!
But guess what? I use it to groove with friends or on places where there are a lot of NPCs grouped and possible where people are not doing anything that can be distracted by the ball. Figure that, huh?
Nope, I don't RP. But I'll tell you what - since you said it yourself that you like to use the dancing ball on other people that are RP-ing for no aparent reason besides raining on their parade and spoiling their fun - that makes you the griefer.
I think, really, that this ought to serve as an /thread
It can't be made any plainer, as shpoks has pointed out; they really are griefers, and this out of their own mouths, too.
They know we don't like it; they persist in doing it to us. Moving to a different location doesn't help. Sounds like some gaming companies' definitions of "harassment."
Man you're weird.
I hadn't been buying them but this thread put me over.
Gawd no, you'd think I'd still be playing if I had to act like a real captain. I'd be kicked out of the bridge after like 20 minutes, including the 15 minutes needed to figure out how to get the ship moving in the first place
Truth be told I'm just here to watch space pixels shoot at each other and have some fun doing it. The only times I act a 'proper captain' is when the game expects me too, as conditions for quest completion.
But you make a fair point, and in the interest of fairness I shall grant you a "touche'".
No weirder than guys who think annoying someone else is fun. That to me is weird, but hey, anything that rocks your boat.
Psychology and human behavior should be mandatory teaching in schools starting from elementary. Didn't used to be needed because the basic insights into our behavior were passed down from one generation to another under the auspices of Wisdom; but not anymore it seems. Instead it's become a more taboo subject than sex. We're so scared of ourselves we get annoyed whenever we hear psychological insights, especially if it doesn't fit our pre-conceived notions. As it stands, rocket science is more advanced than the understanding of what lies in our cerebrum. And I don't expect you'll even remotely comprehend anything I say.
If Cryptic gave me A Son'a transporter drone and I could get to transport players to my brig for <enter amount of time> then it would be understandable...... but these things make your character dance, if your using a terminal they do not disrupt you and chances are you can hardly see it anyway, If you are just standing around then just move away if they bother you. Life is to short to worry or get butt-hurt about stuff like this.:P
It's not a whine, it's a concern voiced by the OP and shared by others because some players use the ability to deliberately harass a group or single player. I'm not against Disco balls, but I don't advocate their abuse either. Voicing concerns is an important function of the forums in case you haven't noticed.