I thought this was why I am addressing my concerns on the Forums. So the Developers have a chance to make it right before I have to leave a game I enjoy playing. Now if you do not like what I have to say, so be it. Do not pretend to defend them by taking up an arguement in which you main point is to attack my arguement for the sake of it does not bother you.
It is but unfortunately Brandon as well as the devs can't always get to all the posts. That's why I merely suggested another outlet that's more direct. I'm only defending them becuase I do think your making assumption that may or may not be true, but you seem to be stating them as they inevitable facts. Don't make a argument if you aren't prepared to get argued against.
Geee, what should Cryptic bother focusing on this week? :rolleyes:
Should they focus on something that EVERYONE in the game can enjoy?
OR
Focus on something that only L50 Romulan/Reman players will enjoy for 5seconds before they start complaining about any and every little thing they can come up with like it's too big, or it's too slow, or it's too weak, or it's OP, or it costs too much, or I can't afford it or, etc etc etc.
I'd rather they miss a deadline and deliver a working ship than to deliver something on time that's a disaster requiring emergency downtime.
The main reason for adding the scimitar is to give the romulans a flagship like the Oddy or Bortasqu'. Everyone knows it will be mostly comparable to those two and people who enjoy those two are likely to enjoy the dreadnought pack. Its nothing we haven't seen before, its just in a different place.
"Good things come to those who wait"
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It is but unfortunately Brandon as well as the devs can't always get to all the posts. That's why I merely suggested another outlet that's more direct. I'm only defending them becuase I do think your making assumption that may or may not be true, but you seem to be stating them as they inevitable facts. Don't make a argument if you aren't prepared to get argued against.
Yeah once again, my arguement draws on facts that have been cited. If you refuse to read the entire amount of my arguement, then clearly you are not intending to debate the issue. So if your are so clearly up to defend them, why put them in undue stress. Also, I am afraid I do not use Twitter, nor do I have access to Branflakes Email address. Other ideas? Forums sounds like it.
I understand a minor debate but I would appreciate it if this was not turned into a flame or troll war over what they decided to do with a ship. This was merely to show what I found.
(Not saying this had turned into a flame war yet but that's what a lot of topics on the forums I see tend to turn into when the word "carrier" pops up.)
This is where I will quote myself from my own topic just to make sure it is seen again to avoid any problems.
This is where I will quote myself from my own topic just to make sure it is seen again to avoid any problems.
Its the origional statement of your article that has this as a heated arguement. Simply put they did give the impression that the Scimitar is almost ready. Then they refuse to give any information and keep us in the dark. This is something Cryptic has done many times before. That is why it is also something that you have seen before.
Would you rather be kept in the dark the whole time too? Perhaps have them cram some barely tested ship which only a select few get to have their opinions made on? Simply put this is the state of affairs Cryptic has put into effect.
By refusing our input, they require us to have it tweaked when it hits the Holodeck anyway. So what is the point? Downtime is assured when proper testing by large groups is not done.
I don't mind Cryptic not sharing information for while. I know that they will release information when they are ready to.
My question for you is this: Why are you so seriously hurt and devastated by Cryptic not providing further details on their plans for the Scimitar? Will it be the end of life as we know it if you don't get details or information on the Scimitar by the end of June?
Will it cause the markets to crash taking the whole economy of the world down with it if Cryptic decides to take another week to release a ship that only a percentage of the Romulan fRaction players that have a character at L50 capable of using the new ships is actually going to wind up purchasing the new ship?
Or will the introduction of this new ship be such a devastatingly destructive force that once again brings about the complete fall of Rome, err PvP in STO?
I don't mind Cryptic not sharing information for while. I know that they will release information when they are ready to.
My question for you is this: Why are you so seriously hurt and devastated by Cryptic not providing further details on their plans for the Scimitar? Will it be the end of life as we know it if you don't get details or information on the Scimitar by the end of June?
Will it cause the markets to crash taking the whole economy of the world down with it if Cryptic decides to take another week to release a ship that only a percentage of the Romulan fRaction players that have a character at L50 capable of using the new ships is actually going to wind up purchasing the new ship?
Or will the introduction of this new ship be such a devastatingly destructive force that once again brings about the complete fall of Rome, err PvP in STO?
Ok, I may be allergic to fish, but I know bait when I see it. So let me squash this I am holy then thou, and trolling attempt. Firstly I am not answering questions to which if you simply read my other posts you would have the answers to. Second, your overreaction to the posts shows your intent is anything but an attempt to clarify. You sir are Trolling.
No, this kind of toying with consumers of a product is not acceptable by any standards. This is the kind of thing that has had me checking out Eve online more and more. While I do not wish to play a game I must pay by the month for. I think with the amount I have invested into Star Trek Online, I could easily afford 2-3 years of Eve Online. The sad thing is that Customer Service is more or less based on satisfying your customers. Well, making promises to keep us playing is OK, but never fulfilling those promises is not. This is what we have come to accept, the members of the PvP community in perticular. Cryptic has just started to develop a bad taste in my mouth as they continue to make promises and then refuse to even give us any idea as to why they broke the promise.
Please understand, yes I am impatient. But this does not excuse what Cryptic is doing, which is down right Lying to its Consumer Base. Much like if I sold you a car, and then the Engine blew up. I promise to fix it, as long as you pay. Then after the time I told you the Fix would require has passed. I finaly without any information in the time that has passed show you a picture of a working car. Then I go on to explain that I have fixed one part of the engine, and have plans to fix the rest. While once again blowing past the time I had told you.
This does not wet an appetite, it if anything angers the Customer. Making them not wish to either purchase from you again, or wait for something that quickly becomes a "Pipe Dream".
Downright lying to their customers is four and a half days away pal...it isn't Friday yet.
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Downright lying to their customers is four and a half days away pal...it isn't Friday yet.
You think they are going to release information about the Scimitar during the Week that they plan to launch the Summer Event? Nope... Now as far as your simple short sweet and to the point comment... Please take the time to read the full body of the arguement before you comment. It is just not worth typing the same thing over and over and over simply due to your not scrolling a few pages.
Three things about the Scimitar; One, D.Stahl when asked about the Scimitar implied end of June (things happen, end of June can turn into start/end July, no big); Two, Brandon said there was go to be testing on Tribble regarding some kind of a mystery ship (if its the Scimitar or the new cruiser for event, meh); and Third, last week Geko hinted a up close picture of a greenish textured ship which is likely to be the Scimitar or one of its variants which are now featured more prominently in game with a hint at "next week". These are the only facts that matter along with the pets showing up on Tribble (which at least hint at 1 hanger). I do not care about anyone else's speculations or opinions.
The Devs are doing their jobs, keeping the game running and content rolling out (barring that I saw no benefits from the Mark event last weekend and that kind of pisses me off after all the expected and unexpected down time).
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LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
Three things about the Scimitar; One, D.Stahl when asked about the Scimitar implied end of June (things happen, end of June can turn into start/end July, no big); Two, Brandon said there was go to be testing on Tribble regarding some kind of a mystery ship (if its the Scimitar or the new cruiser for event, meh); and Third, last week Geko hinted a up close picture of a greenish textured ship which is likely to be the Scimitar or one of its variants which are now featured more prominently in game with a hint at "next week". These are the only facts that matter along with the pets showing up on Tribble (which at least hint at 1 hanger). I do not care about anyone else's speculations or opinions.
The Devs are doing their jobs, keeping the game running and content rolling out (barring that I saw no benefits from the Mark event last weekend and that kind of pisses me off after all the expected and unexpected down time).
You know, even though you do not see Eye to Eye with me I respect your position. Simply put thank you for sharing your position and information. A lot of others in here have not done so. But I think there will always be something to make me less than happy. It is a community game after all. But I find the main arguement I have is that this is becoming a bit of a habit for Cryptic. Citing more than just the Scimitar of course, the PvP system ect.
Someone said it well in the plethora of posts between this morning and now, I forget who but if it's you you'll know
Pretty much my frustration (as this mystery person pointed out) stems from the years of information blackout that Cryptic seems to favor. There is almost ZERO communication between the Devs and their community. What's so hard with a few tweets every once and a while? If they had more communication about what they were working on other than a VERY selective once a month "ask cryptic" I doubt anyone who's posted in this thread would be complaining today. I know I wouldn't be.
Bottom line: if they weren't so frelling tight lipped about EVERYTHING they work on, we'd be much happier campers. We just wanna know whats going on every so often...
Someone said it well in the plethora of posts between this morning and now, I forget who but if it's you you'll know
Pretty much my frustration (as this mystery person pointed out) stems from the years of information blackout that Cryptic seems to favor. There is almost ZERO communication between the Devs and their community. What's so hard with a few tweets every once and a while? If they had more communication about what they were working on other than a VERY selective once a month "ask cryptic" I doubt anyone who's posted in this thread would be complaining today. I know I wouldn't be.
Bottom line: if they weren't so frelling tight lipped about EVERYTHING they work on, we'd be much happier campers. We just wanna know whats going on every so often...
-Quiiliitiila
Hey Quiiliitiila, I think that is the heart and soul of this arguement. Otherwise a simple "Just be patient" would have put an end to this. I did take the liberty of make a Thread to discuss this very thing the General Discussion Forum. If you could please leave your thoughts there, as the Developers are more frequent to that forum I believe.
Simply put they did give the impression that the Scimitar is almost ready. Then they refuse to give any information and keep us in the dark. This is something Cryptic has done many times before. That is why it is also something that you have seen before.
This has now passed from hyperbole into bold faced lie. They said they would have more information on the Scimitar later in June. June isn't over, and more information isn't a promise that the ship is almost ready.
This has now passed from hyperbole into bold faced lie. They said they would have more information on the Scimitar later in June. June isn't over, and more information isn't a promise that the ship is almost ready.
I see where you are coming from, and I am sorry if you feel I am jumping the gun on this. But if nothing less they could post Scimitar Information and make me look awfully stupid on this one topic. However based on past events it seems that I may be closer to correct. Which would shine a very important light on an issue that has more than the fate of the Romulan Scimitar hanging in the balance.
I feel strongly on this, and wish something could be done to encourage more player Developer dialoge. Hopefully this happens, but I plan to let it die now. Not due to so many people saying I am wrong, but due to the fact that more that a few think I am correct. To anybody who believes thier time has been wasted I am sorry for the inconvenience. But to anybody who thinks this is an issue worth looking into. I hope I showed you that you are not alone.
Hey Quiiliitiila, I think that is the heart and soul of this arguement. Otherwise a simple "Just be patient" would have put an end to this. I did take the liberty of make a Thread to discuss this very thing the General Discussion Forum. If you could please leave your thoughts there, as the Developers are more frequent to that forum I believe.
Here is hoping for change.
I try to stay out of the general discussion forum, it's generally just a big constant flame war no matter what you say.
What's that? You say the say is blue!? Well obviously you don't know... blah blah blah...
I tried a few Jupiter Class Dreadnought threads there a while back, needles to say I got flamed pretty quick
I try to stay out of the general discussion forum, it's generally just a big constant flame war no matter what you say.
What's that? You say the say is blue!? Well obviously you don't know... blah blah blah...
I tried a few Jupiter Class Dreadnought threads there a while back, needles to say I got flamed pretty quick
You were unbelievably correct on that... You need to get out of my mind!!! Lmao, what a fail my thread was. Turned into Flame/Troll fest with people going until they were told they would be reported. >.<
Now back to the issue at hand. I wants me a Scimitar
Technically, they already provided us with information on the Scimitar in June. It may not be the kind of information you want, or enough information to satisfy your curiosity, but they did already fulfill their promise.
This game is mess up big time. Cryptic and most people keep using dreadnought and carrier Loosely to Describe things which doesn't if make Sense. I mean what is a dreadnought really and what is a carrier. Dreadnought do not need fighter or drones to Compliment it firepower. Shouldn't it be carriers instead, why does the information on the drones states its only for a dreadnought. If cryptic want to keep add fighter or drones to this game I Suggest they go and copy it from eve-online. There each ships have a Specific role, and just because a ship can Lunch an Auxiliary craft or drones doesn't make the to be a carrier. Seriously they really need to sort the names up big time.
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Technically, they already provided us with information on the Scimitar in June. It may not be the kind of information you want, or enough information to satisfy your curiosity, but they did already fulfill their promise.
Um, where? Not trying to be rude, but I've got no idea what you're talking about...
Are you saying them saying that more info is to come later in june was the info they promised? If so... That's a little bit of a stretch, if not, just slap a link down for all of us to gleefully look at.
I am going to tentatively hope it sucks TRIBBLE, because i am close to hitting RA with my liberated borg rom, and i have both tal shiar adapted vessels, and i am already torn between which i'm going to end up flying.
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Technically, they already provided us with information on the Scimitar in June. It may not be the kind of information you want, or enough information to satisfy your curiosity, but they did already fulfill their promise.
I also want this link. Link it or it didn't happen.
This game is mess up big time. Cryptic and most people keep using dreadnought and carrier Loosely to Describe things which doesn't if make Sense. I mean what is a dreadnought really and what is a carrier. Dreadnought do not need fighter or drones to Compliment it firepower. Shouldn't it be carriers instead, why does the information on the drones states its only for a dreadnought. If cryptic want to keep add fighter or drones to this game I Suggest they go and copy it from eve-online. There each ships have a Specific role, and just because a ship can Lunch an Auxiliary craft or drones doesn't make the to be a carrier. Seriously they really need to sort the names up big time.
the "flagships" of each species are considered dreadnoughts in STO terms, these are the likes of the jem hardar dreadnought/battleship, the odyssey, the bortas'qu, and scimitar. carrier means it actually has flight deck hangers, not expendible device slot fighters. also, compare the Jem hadar Dreadnought carrier to the Vo'Quv or Atrox, they have only 6 weapon slots, while the dreadnought carrier has 7. dreadnought carriers are basically just heavy carriers but they didnt want to reuse the name like with the heavy escort carrier.
Did Cryptic ever fix the "feature" where pets would leisurely hang around the exploding warp cores of their targets unless heavily micromanaged? Because that will determine whether or not I get the Scimitar set.
Um, where? Not trying to be rude, but I've got no idea what you're talking about...
Are you saying them saying that more info is to come later in june was the info they promised? If so... That's a little bit of a stretch, if not, just slap a link down for all of us to gleefully look at.
Cryptic said they'd release more information on the Scimitar back in the first week of June. They gave us this information by adding the Scimitar's unique carrier pets in the second week of June on Tribble.
More information doesn't mean it has to come from an internet link.
Did Cryptic ever fix the "feature" where pets would leisurely hang around the exploding warp cores of their targets unless heavily micromanaged? Because that will determine whether or not I get the Scimitar set.
Kinda, they are much better than the used to be... But there are still quite a few things most carrier captains would like to see fixed or changed. For a start, we have no counter telling us the amount of fighters/ships we have launched or their status. It routinely becomes a spamfest to keep certain you have the max amount of fighters out.
They improved the overall AI of the launchables, they'll use their abilities somewhat wisely and won't sit next to an exploding ship anymore, but that's about it.
Kinda, they are much better than the used to be... But there are still quite a few things most carrier captains would like to see fixed or changed. For a start, we have no counter telling us the amount of fighters/ships we have launched or their status. It routinely becomes a spamfest to keep certain you have the max amount of fighters out.
They improved the overall AI of the launchables, they'll use their abilities somewhat wisely and won't sit next to an exploding ship anymore, but that's about it.
Ah, alright. Not having a fighter counter is okay if I'm not having to respawn them after every single encounter because they got caught in an explosion. Especially in the Scimitar's case, where they're reasonably durable frigate-class pets.
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It is but unfortunately Brandon as well as the devs can't always get to all the posts. That's why I merely suggested another outlet that's more direct. I'm only defending them becuase I do think your making assumption that may or may not be true, but you seem to be stating them as they inevitable facts. Don't make a argument if you aren't prepared to get argued against.
The main reason for adding the scimitar is to give the romulans a flagship like the Oddy or Bortasqu'. Everyone knows it will be mostly comparable to those two and people who enjoy those two are likely to enjoy the dreadnought pack. Its nothing we haven't seen before, its just in a different place.
"Good things come to those who wait"
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Yeah once again, my arguement draws on facts that have been cited. If you refuse to read the entire amount of my arguement, then clearly you are not intending to debate the issue. So if your are so clearly up to defend them, why put them in undue stress. Also, I am afraid I do not use Twitter, nor do I have access to Branflakes Email address. Other ideas? Forums sounds like it.
This is where I will quote myself from my own topic just to make sure it is seen again to avoid any problems.
Its the origional statement of your article that has this as a heated arguement. Simply put they did give the impression that the Scimitar is almost ready. Then they refuse to give any information and keep us in the dark. This is something Cryptic has done many times before. That is why it is also something that you have seen before.
I don't mind Cryptic not sharing information for while. I know that they will release information when they are ready to.
My question for you is this: Why are you so seriously hurt and devastated by Cryptic not providing further details on their plans for the Scimitar? Will it be the end of life as we know it if you don't get details or information on the Scimitar by the end of June?
Will it cause the markets to crash taking the whole economy of the world down with it if Cryptic decides to take another week to release a ship that only a percentage of the Romulan fRaction players that have a character at L50 capable of using the new ships is actually going to wind up purchasing the new ship?
Or will the introduction of this new ship be such a devastatingly destructive force that once again brings about the complete fall of Rome, err PvP in STO?
Ok, I may be allergic to fish, but I know bait when I see it. So let me squash this I am holy then thou, and trolling attempt. Firstly I am not answering questions to which if you simply read my other posts you would have the answers to. Second, your overreaction to the posts shows your intent is anything but an attempt to clarify. You sir are Trolling.
1/10 Try Again.
Downright lying to their customers is four and a half days away pal...it isn't Friday yet.
You think they are going to release information about the Scimitar during the Week that they plan to launch the Summer Event? Nope... Now as far as your simple short sweet and to the point comment... Please take the time to read the full body of the arguement before you comment. It is just not worth typing the same thing over and over and over simply due to your not scrolling a few pages.
The Devs are doing their jobs, keeping the game running and content rolling out (barring that I saw no benefits from the Mark event last weekend and that kind of pisses me off after all the expected and unexpected down time).
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
You know, even though you do not see Eye to Eye with me I respect your position. Simply put thank you for sharing your position and information. A lot of others in here have not done so. But I think there will always be something to make me less than happy. It is a community game after all. But I find the main arguement I have is that this is becoming a bit of a habit for Cryptic. Citing more than just the Scimitar of course, the PvP system ect.
Thanks again for sharing your opinion.
Someone said it well in the plethora of posts between this morning and now, I forget who but if it's you you'll know
Pretty much my frustration (as this mystery person pointed out) stems from the years of information blackout that Cryptic seems to favor. There is almost ZERO communication between the Devs and their community. What's so hard with a few tweets every once and a while? If they had more communication about what they were working on other than a VERY selective once a month "ask cryptic" I doubt anyone who's posted in this thread would be complaining today. I know I wouldn't be.
Bottom line: if they weren't so frelling tight lipped about EVERYTHING they work on, we'd be much happier campers. We just wanna know whats going on every so often...
-Quiiliitiila
Hey Quiiliitiila, I think that is the heart and soul of this arguement. Otherwise a simple "Just be patient" would have put an end to this. I did take the liberty of make a Thread to discuss this very thing the General Discussion Forum. If you could please leave your thoughts there, as the Developers are more frequent to that forum I believe.
Here is hoping for change.
This has now passed from hyperbole into bold faced lie. They said they would have more information on the Scimitar later in June. June isn't over, and more information isn't a promise that the ship is almost ready.
I see where you are coming from, and I am sorry if you feel I am jumping the gun on this. But if nothing less they could post Scimitar Information and make me look awfully stupid on this one topic. However based on past events it seems that I may be closer to correct. Which would shine a very important light on an issue that has more than the fate of the Romulan Scimitar hanging in the balance.
I feel strongly on this, and wish something could be done to encourage more player Developer dialoge. Hopefully this happens, but I plan to let it die now. Not due to so many people saying I am wrong, but due to the fact that more that a few think I am correct. To anybody who believes thier time has been wasted I am sorry for the inconvenience. But to anybody who thinks this is an issue worth looking into. I hope I showed you that you are not alone.
I try to stay out of the general discussion forum, it's generally just a big constant flame war no matter what you say.
What's that? You say the say is blue!? Well obviously you don't know... blah blah blah...
I tried a few Jupiter Class Dreadnought threads there a while back, needles to say I got flamed pretty quick
You were unbelievably correct on that... You need to get out of my mind!!! Lmao, what a fail my thread was. Turned into Flame/Troll fest with people going until they were told they would be reported. >.<
Now back to the issue at hand. I wants me a Scimitar
Honestly, I'd still be flying it for the looks alone. It's one sexy ship
Um, where? Not trying to be rude, but I've got no idea what you're talking about...
Are you saying them saying that more info is to come later in june was the info they promised? If so... That's a little bit of a stretch, if not, just slap a link down for all of us to gleefully look at.
I am going to tentatively hope it sucks TRIBBLE, because i am close to hitting RA with my liberated borg rom, and i have both tal shiar adapted vessels, and i am already torn between which i'm going to end up flying.
I also want this link. Link it or it didn't happen.
the "flagships" of each species are considered dreadnoughts in STO terms, these are the likes of the jem hardar dreadnought/battleship, the odyssey, the bortas'qu, and scimitar. carrier means it actually has flight deck hangers, not expendible device slot fighters. also, compare the Jem hadar Dreadnought carrier to the Vo'Quv or Atrox, they have only 6 weapon slots, while the dreadnought carrier has 7. dreadnought carriers are basically just heavy carriers but they didnt want to reuse the name like with the heavy escort carrier.
Cryptic said they'd release more information on the Scimitar back in the first week of June. They gave us this information by adding the Scimitar's unique carrier pets in the second week of June on Tribble.
More information doesn't mean it has to come from an internet link.
Kinda, they are much better than the used to be... But there are still quite a few things most carrier captains would like to see fixed or changed. For a start, we have no counter telling us the amount of fighters/ships we have launched or their status. It routinely becomes a spamfest to keep certain you have the max amount of fighters out.
They improved the overall AI of the launchables, they'll use their abilities somewhat wisely and won't sit next to an exploding ship anymore, but that's about it.
Ah, alright. Not having a fighter counter is okay if I'm not having to respawn them after every single encounter because they got caught in an explosion. Especially in the Scimitar's case, where they're reasonably durable frigate-class pets.