I will not remove it because +5 weapon power is far too important to my Valdore power levels, I dont think anyone uses this console without the console set abilities in mind.
Seriously? Anyone who has a Rom ship and this console has to be mental NOT to use it...
If only I had a rommie, and wanted to spend money on a c-store ship I don't really want. Because I only play my char "Mewi" well... I could show these naysayers just how overpowered this console really is.
Heh... I have all the Rom ships and a Rom Character myself.
What I found about this console is that when it procs it pretty consistently instantly heals my entire shields, all facings, completely. With that said it does not proc all the time obviously and it is a risky thing to bet the farm on. However, with some decent luck it is really powerful and certainly very advantageous to the one who has it.
Considering that the Borg Strip shields so blazingly fast that even the most potent shields and heals can barely keep up with them it almost seems fair for PvE. Not to mention a few other ridiculous NPCs when it comes to nearly make you have to hull tank.
However, as for PvP it is a strong advantage that is very hard to counter unless you stop the enemy from getting many shots off at you.
To touch on the Valdore hax console, it is increadably powerful. But I personally have run 3-4 mins without a single proc. That part is luck based. So if the overall idea is that all you need is this to win? No
Is it a huge advantage, not unless you are lucky, maybe if they put a once per 10 second on it. Then it would not offer the rapid heal if the person is lucky, but then again it kind of balances a Tac's ability to Crit on something like a BO3... in which you take 45-60k dmg...
Personally I think it is ok, once stacked with the right equipment, say End Game Borg sets... maybe it gets OP. I'm walking the fence on this one.
Personally I think it is ok, once stacked with the right equipment, say End Game Borg sets... maybe it gets OP. I'm walking the fence on this one.
That's kind of the thing - can't just look at it in isolation. If a person were running it as their sole means of "survivability"...sure, they'd be laughed at so hard - some folks would probably wet themselves laughing. It's been added to a complex system - and - how does it interact with that system... is where the issue arises.
That's kind of the thing - can't just look at it in isolation. If a person were running it as their sole means of "survivability"...sure, they'd be laughed at so hard - some folks would probably wet themselves laughing. It's been added to a complex system - and - how does it interact with that system... is where the issue arises.
I agree with you 100% there, and that is what concerns me. If it does seem to allow a lucky few to gain OMG levels of healing, especially if stacked with the correct builds. Then a nerf or limiter needs to be put in place.
But I kinda want to see how this pans out before it is fully declared as HAX. Although End Game is somewhat cause for alarm. Dunno if Emitters affect it either, cuz the right ship could in theory be built for that, and then carry heals for only his team mates. (Not needing them for himself.)
This is the most overpowered shield heal in the game since the broken Shield Distro Doffs.... well to be honest its more broken then that... not quite 90% resist maco shield broken but darn close.
Anyone that claims otherwise... has got to be lying cause no one is that unintelligent.
So let's be clear.. are you calling for a Nerf or for it to be fixed to perform as stated?
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So realistically, you only need to have the exact number of doffs that you need. ~leadme2kirk
So let's be clear.. are you calling for a Nerf or for it to be fixed to perform as stated?
Well I would call for Cryptic to send one or two of there designers to a high school to get a GED. Its obvious no one there has any idea how to do basic math.
Yes this console needs a major nerf.
1) 200% should be more about 50-75%.
2) It needs to lock itself out once it procs. something around 10s or so
Even at that there will still be the odd Overload hit that fills someones shields but at least it will be a rare thing.
And not be the single cannon / dhc / turret fire rate multi procs that can be relied on to keep the procs coming and being "wasted" as most people here like to point out.
Those procs are wasted because some how there shields are already filled somehow... not sure how that could be. lmao
Hey I have 3 Rommies now... I love my Rommies. All of the lowbie defense consoles are hax... this one is just the worst of the bunch as it is always on with no cool downs and has numbers on it that make it anything but the random heal people are claiming.
I bet if you ask them why they put 200% and not 4000000 or 100 or 50 have no idea.I think they imagine numbers and put them in game as powers /passives .
reposting My Final Response To This From Another Thread.
Its The Be All End All Statement To Finish This Argument.
Everything That Comes After Is Here By Rendered Null And Void.
And I Quote (myself)
Its The Single Most Powerful Shield Healing Ability In The Game, And Its Not An Ability.
Its As Simple As Firing Weapons. And There's No Icp.
Weather Or Not The Numbers Are Reporting Correctly, (i.e. Showing 100k Heal When You Only Have 30k Shields To Be Healed) Makes No Difference What So Ever. Its Is A Ridiculous Argument With Little Or No Bearing At All On The Actual Issue.
It Heals Shields To Full.
Its Heals Are Larger And Come More Often Than A Sci Team 3 Or Transfer Shield Strength Three Given By A Sci Captain Fully Specced To Heal Running Full Aux And Shield Power And Multiple Shield Emitter Consoles.
Much, Fraking. Larger.
That Alone Should Be All The Information You Need To Make A Decision About Weather Or Not This Console Is, In Fact, Way Over Powered.
Cause It Is.
If You Say Its Not You're Dumb.
Good Day.
I Said Good Day!
**end Quote.
P.s. It Was Given On A T3 Ship Almost No One Would Have Ever Bought Because You Are Literally In A Tier Three Ship For About 6 Hours Of Gameplay. If That. Thereby Ensuring Multitudes Of Sales For This Otherwise Absolutely Useless Space Ship.
Thank You For Participating In This Ridiculous, Underhanded, Yet Undeniably Effective Marketing Ploy By Our Benevolent Virtual Masters.
I bet if you ask them why they put 200% and not 4000000 or 100 or 50 have no idea.I think they imagine numbers and put them in game as powers /passives .
They probably looked at the amount of damage the average level 20 player (it's the console from a T3 ship, after all) deals. Of course, the average player at that level has no idea what they're doing.
Well I would call for Cryptic to send one or two of there designers to a high school to get a GED. Its obvious no one there has any idea how to do basic math.
Yes this console needs a major nerf.
1) 200% should be more about 50-75%.
2) It needs to lock itself out once it procs. something around 10s or so
Even at that there will still be the odd Overload hit that fills someones shields but at least it will be a rare thing.
And not be the single cannon / dhc / turret fire rate multi procs that can be relied on to keep the procs coming and being "wasted" as most people here like to point out.
Those procs are wasted because some how there shields are already filled somehow... not sure how that could be. lmao
Hey I have 3 Rommies now... I love my Rommies. All of the lowbie defense consoles are hax... this one is just the worst of the bunch as it is always on with no cool downs and has numbers on it that make it anything but the random heal people are claiming.
Well at least no one is blaming OPs [unspecified] PvP build as his reason for calling for this nerf.
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So realistically, you only need to have the exact number of doffs that you need. ~leadme2kirk
if it was 2.5% per cycle that hits with energy weapons, 50% of the dmg done, with 10 second cooldown, I'd be fine with that, but I would still use it. and It would still be OP
my fed rommy procs it every 10s, it got 4m healing in tiny CnH map, in a2b hapax with 3 dhc + torp, 3 turrets and beam array. , csv1, ts1, bte1.
Say the word, it saves the world. CUUCUUMBEER!"-With slight partigen with it." Proud member or DPS-800"-We kill dem mines with our scitter turrets."
if it was 2.5% per cycle that hits with energy weapons, 50% of the dmg done, with 10 second cooldown, I'd be fine with that, but I would still use it. and It would still be OP
my fed rommy procs it every 10s, it got 4m healing in tiny CnH map, in a2b hapax with 3 dhc + torp, 3 turrets and beam array. , csv1, ts1, bte1.
I'm not fine with that Make it every 15 seconds and 5-10%.
is it beatable? If it can be beaten using a good combination of skills and standard gear (as opposed to Uni consoles or special Duty Officers/pay-gear) by a good player, it's probably not an exploit. If it can't, or if it requires special gearing/glitches to beat it, it IS an exploit.
Well, this definition fits BoP perfectly, so when will Cryptic nerf its cloaked Alpha, like making BO buff inactivable while under cloak?
They say a picture is worth 1000 words. Those who maintain this is OP needs to make a short youtube clip demonstrating that this is indeed the case. So far we have been hearing this is OP because of the crazy numbers they put out, notwithstanding it cannot heal more than the shield capacity of the said ship. Without any concrete proof, it's going to be hard to convince anyone.
They say a picture is worth 1000 words. Those who maintain this is OP needs to make a short youtube clip demonstrating that this is indeed the case. So far we have been hearing this is OP because of the crazy numbers they put out, notwithstanding it cannot heal more than the shield capacity of the said ship. Without any concrete proof, it's going to be hard to convince anyone.
It convinces anyone sane. The only people who aren't convinced are those with an interest in preserving the console as is.
They say a picture is worth 1000 words. Those who maintain this is OP needs to make a short youtube clip demonstrating that this is indeed the case. So far we have been hearing this is OP because of the crazy numbers they put out, notwithstanding it cannot heal more than the shield capacity of the said ship. Without any concrete proof, it's going to be hard to convince anyone.
Your argument is flawed, no one is going to level a char to 50, then grind further for items, THEN spend $10s to prove a point. Let us be realistic here.
It convinces anyone sane. The only people who aren't convinced are those with an interest in preserving the console as is.
Except I don't use it and am not convinced and have no dog in this fight. As for this being a convincing thread, someone needs to be completely blind to fail see several people tested it and came to the conclusion that it's not Op unless of course, somebody is hell bent on turning this into a personal attacks thread and calling those people crazy via a veil. :rolleyes:
Except I don't use it and am not convinced and have no dog in this fight. As for this being a convincing thread, someone needs to be completely blind to fail see several people tested it and came to the conclusion that it's not Op unless of course, somebody is hell bent on turning this into a personal attacks thread and calling those people crazy via a veil. :rolleyes:
The only people not convinced are those who wouldn't be convinced by a 2-by-four hitting them in the face with the evidence.
Alpha cloak drop isn't that overpowered. It is just a matter of knowing how to defend against it.
Enlighten us please, what's your success rate in doing that? Or are you suggesting this once again, not based on personal experience but via imagination, like you don't own this console but is convinced it's OP?
Your argument is flawed, no one is going to level a char to 50, then grind further for items, THEN spend $10s to prove a point. Let us be realistic here.
I am not aware making a short youtube clip has so many restrictions. How hard can it be? Someone in a Valdore with this console, go to a pvp map, record what happened and post it. Then we can all judge and comment based on what it is shown. It's very reasonable request, not only that, it's also a basic and prudent thing to go before calling for any nerf. How hard can this be?
Enlighten us please, what's your success rate in doing that? Or are you suggesting this once again, not based on personal experience but via imagination, like you don't own this console but is convinced it's OP?
It is called using your shield distribution hot key, tact team and other various shield skills when you hear someone charging up in cloak, or you can even do it after they started firing, or you can use the jump console. The fact is, you clearly don't know what you are talking about if you can't even defend against a bop decloaking...........
Only on rare occasions do I get killed by someone in cloak with full everything, and that is usually due to not caring or just spacing out.
This console has already been proven overpowered, I don't know what more you want? A video to prove the statistics already made available to you? I mean for Picard's sake, LOOK AT ITS DESCRIPTION and You'd know from that alone.
But lets face it, it is going to be nerfed, and when it does all you people who want to keep it as is will cry foul because you can't have an I Win button.
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Seriously? Anyone who has a Rom ship and this console has to be mental NOT to use it...
Heh... I have all the Rom ships and a Rom Character myself.
What I found about this console is that when it procs it pretty consistently instantly heals my entire shields, all facings, completely. With that said it does not proc all the time obviously and it is a risky thing to bet the farm on. However, with some decent luck it is really powerful and certainly very advantageous to the one who has it.
Considering that the Borg Strip shields so blazingly fast that even the most potent shields and heals can barely keep up with them it almost seems fair for PvE. Not to mention a few other ridiculous NPCs when it comes to nearly make you have to hull tank.
However, as for PvP it is a strong advantage that is very hard to counter unless you stop the enemy from getting many shots off at you.
Is it a huge advantage, not unless you are lucky, maybe if they put a once per 10 second on it. Then it would not offer the rapid heal if the person is lucky, but then again it kind of balances a Tac's ability to Crit on something like a BO3... in which you take 45-60k dmg...
Personally I think it is ok, once stacked with the right equipment, say End Game Borg sets... maybe it gets OP. I'm walking the fence on this one.
That's kind of the thing - can't just look at it in isolation. If a person were running it as their sole means of "survivability"...sure, they'd be laughed at so hard - some folks would probably wet themselves laughing. It's been added to a complex system - and - how does it interact with that system... is where the issue arises.
I agree with you 100% there, and that is what concerns me. If it does seem to allow a lucky few to gain OMG levels of healing, especially if stacked with the correct builds. Then a nerf or limiter needs to be put in place.
But I kinda want to see how this pans out before it is fully declared as HAX. Although End Game is somewhat cause for alarm. Dunno if Emitters affect it either, cuz the right ship could in theory be built for that, and then carry heals for only his team mates. (Not needing them for himself.)
Gonna watch this one.
So let's be clear.. are you calling for a Nerf or for it to be fixed to perform as stated?
If your post is anything like, "I have a sandwich so you can't be starving" it's time to rethink posting. ~thlaylierah
Well I would call for Cryptic to send one or two of there designers to a high school to get a GED. Its obvious no one there has any idea how to do basic math.
Yes this console needs a major nerf.
1) 200% should be more about 50-75%.
2) It needs to lock itself out once it procs. something around 10s or so
Even at that there will still be the odd Overload hit that fills someones shields but at least it will be a rare thing.
And not be the single cannon / dhc / turret fire rate multi procs that can be relied on to keep the procs coming and being "wasted" as most people here like to point out.
Those procs are wasted because some how there shields are already filled somehow... not sure how that could be. lmao
Hey I have 3 Rommies now... I love my Rommies. All of the lowbie defense consoles are hax... this one is just the worst of the bunch as it is always on with no cool downs and has numbers on it that make it anything but the random heal people are claiming.
I bet if you ask them why they put 200% and not 4000000 or 100 or 50 have no idea.I think they imagine numbers and put them in game as powers /passives .
One More Time!!!
They probably looked at the amount of damage the average level 20 player (it's the console from a T3 ship, after all) deals. Of course, the average player at that level has no idea what they're doing.
You can get 8,000+ from this console every 6-8 seconds. Without using a BO slot. Without using DOffs. Without using 3+ consoles. Without any spec'ing.
Well at least no one is blaming OPs [unspecified] PvP build as his reason for calling for this nerf.
If your post is anything like, "I have a sandwich so you can't be starving" it's time to rethink posting. ~thlaylierah
This^ anyone else still debating the overpowered God console as not an overpowed God console, isn't being honest to themselves or other players.
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Nooo! I blame my bro for showing me how silly this console is! :P
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my fed rommy procs it every 10s, it got 4m healing in tiny CnH map, in a2b hapax with 3 dhc + torp, 3 turrets and beam array. , csv1, ts1, bte1.
CUUCUUMBEER! "-With slight partigen with it."
Proud member or DPS-800 "-We kill dem mines with our scitter turrets."
I'm not fine with that Make it every 15 seconds
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Well, this definition fits BoP perfectly, so when will Cryptic nerf its cloaked Alpha, like making BO buff inactivable while under cloak?
It convinces anyone sane. The only people who aren't convinced are those with an interest in preserving the console as is.
Alpha cloak drop isn't that overpowered. It is just a matter of knowing how to defend against it.
Your argument is flawed, no one is going to level a char to 50, then grind further for items, THEN spend $10s to prove a point. Let us be realistic here.
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Except I don't use it and am not convinced and have no dog in this fight. As for this being a convincing thread, someone needs to be completely blind to fail see several people tested it and came to the conclusion that it's not Op unless of course, somebody is hell bent on turning this into a personal attacks thread and calling those people crazy via a veil. :rolleyes:
The only people not convinced are those who wouldn't be convinced by a 2-by-four hitting them in the face with the evidence.
Solipsists are boring.
Enlighten us please, what's your success rate in doing that? Or are you suggesting this once again, not based on personal experience but via imagination, like you don't own this console but is convinced it's OP?
I am not aware making a short youtube clip has so many restrictions. How hard can it be? Someone in a Valdore with this console, go to a pvp map, record what happened and post it. Then we can all judge and comment based on what it is shown. It's very reasonable request, not only that, it's also a basic and prudent thing to go before calling for any nerf. How hard can this be?
It is called using your shield distribution hot key, tact team and other various shield skills when you hear someone charging up in cloak, or you can even do it after they started firing, or you can use the jump console. The fact is, you clearly don't know what you are talking about if you can't even defend against a bop decloaking...........
Only on rare occasions do I get killed by someone in cloak with full everything, and that is usually due to not caring or just spacing out.
This console has already been proven overpowered, I don't know what more you want? A video to prove the statistics already made available to you? I mean for Picard's sake, LOOK AT ITS DESCRIPTION and You'd know from that alone.
But lets face it, it is going to be nerfed, and when it does all you people who want to keep it as is will cry foul because you can't have an I Win button.
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