All I know is that if the average player can't at least be competitive in a FvK then what's the point of playing them. I just spent most of the morning getting punked. We Feds ended up lucky to defend our own base in a capture and hold vs Klingons. The only way your going to get more people to play PvP is to allow players a chance to be competitive. Perhaps rooms where only you can only join as an individual so that you don't get a pre-made team vs a pick-up team.
I don't care how you do that, but there has to be a PvP alternative for the average player, in my opinion.
Yep, if a premade with proper cross healing still gets shields chewed to bits (but still wins) by the combined force of Elite Disruptor use, then a pug has almost no chance.
Suuuure! the 5 tac console, 5% moar weapons damage only, an i-win button, right?:rolleyes:
Soooooo...I'm suuuure...you're wrong!:D
Your Battle Cruisers with the new EPtE and the RCS console are really war beasts able to use effectively their DHC, while our Cruisers are a little more agile but an easy target as before.
This is frustrating for the Tac Fed Captains...we want a powerful Cruiser, a very offensive vessel no more relegated in a tanking healing role.
Think about it Cryptic...and think carefully...we Feds are many...and angry...DO the right thing for a more balanced game!
You should be able to do this with with the Galaxy X, just load up EpTe and RCS, maybe some Deutrium in a device slot.
I'd personally go with an A2B build. Plus you can cloak like a battle cruiser.
those who surivive via capacitance cell and fly 5k from a sci vessel thinking we dont see you ? ah those! i know them!
Mmm, I use capacitance cell as an extra getaway console, but I know better than to linger too close to anything for too long, lest I be discovered. People doing that deserve to be discovered and blasted to bits. . .maybe they'll learn their lesson and stop embarrassing fellow BoP pilots
As for the issue of Elite Phasers versus Elite Disruptors. . .
Balance the factions and their ship lineups first, THEN worry about balancing the finer details. Whether or not Federation die-hards want to realize it, they have the superior ship lineup, especially now that they have Romulan allies to throw in as well. When you factor in Fed-Rom ships, the Federation lineup essentially has no weaknesses. The Romulan battlecruisers/attack cruisers compensate for the lack of burst DPS on the part of Federation cruisers, and Federation escorts remain the best in the game, as well as the science ships.
Instead of trying to keep the KDF sub-par and remove any advantages we might happen gain (such as this Elite Fleet weapons one), how about eliminating the need for us to have said advantages to counter the fact that our ship lineup is in overall not as good as the Federation/Romulan one? Give us a strong science ship line that can possibly manage to match the Federation's options, and give us more raptors/destroyers that match what the Federation offers. We might be a little less resistant to having certain advantages taken away, then, if the Federation gives up a few of its own 'advantages'. Most of the reason we resisted having our consoles turned over to the Federation (in my opinion, anyways) was because those 'better' consoles helped compensate for the fact that our raptors/destroyers aren't as good, our science ships are pisspoor compared to Federation options, and our BoPs are flexible but inherently limited.
Timezarg, your debating balance with a fantasy culture that is known for tearing down the strong to bolstier the weak rather than build of the weak to be able the challenge the strong on equal terms.
Its a process so prevalent for the feds in the IP that it has been a focus of some fan-fictions.
I dont believe they know just how good they really have it and continue this course put of some perception of entitlement.
entitlement my a** the weapons are ridiculously imbalanced and you and everyone else knows it.
knews flash kdf fanboi you're human. matter of fact its highly likely you don't even play a klingon toon except for farming. you play a kdf allied Alien u poser.
entitlement my a** the weapons are ridiculously imbalanced and you and everyone else knows it.
knews flash kdf fanboi you're human. matter of fact its highly likely you don't even play a klingon toon except for farming. you play a kdf allied Alien u poser.
lets address the Federation Player sense of Entitlement shall we ?
1. Feds Have the largest choice pool for ships and a dedicated line of science ships for advancing through the levels... more costume options for those ships and generally a larger stable of ships to choose from that they do not have to buy from the C-store, KDF has a smaller pool of ships to choose from less costume options and NO dedicated Science ship until you get to the Vo'Quv/Varanus (identical to the Vulcan Science ship in all but turn rate which because of fed players the Vulcan science ships turn rate got buffed while the varanus stayed at its current level)
2. KDF has the Vo'Quv, and Karfi Carriers fed players complain and eventually get the Atrox, Armatage, and Vesta.....
3. the KDF have a few cool consoles (subspace jumper, isometric charge, graviton pulse, bio-neural warhead, plasmonic leech, just to name a few) Feds complain that its unfair and that they should also have these consoles... guess what everyone I listed is available to the fed side cheaper than for the KDF to aquire them....
4. the KDF BoP has Battlecloak and most every other non c-store kdf ship has cloak.... Fed Players cry foul and unfair and then the Defiant retrofit gets a cloaking console (its not battlecloak but its a move in that direction) and the Galaxy X with its cloak, and NOW with the inclusion of the romulans this is a back door and under the table way to give the Federation the Battlecloak...
5. (edited cause I forgot something) and now lets look at the bundle ships that have arrived. the Oddysey 3-pack(fed) Vesta 3-pack (fed) Kumari 3-pack (fed) Bortasque 3-pack (kdf) Scimitar 3-pack (Romulan)
so that is 12-15 more ships added to the feds while the KDF got 3-6.....
so tell me again how the sense of entitlement that the feds have is bull ?
don't presume to tell me that the Fed Players do not have a sense of entitlement I think the record of the last 18 months speaks for itself... leave these Elite Fleet Disruptors alone... if you are a fed player and encountering these weapons put on your big boy knickers and suck it up buttercup, adapt and overcome or just stop playing in PVP
Admittedly these weapons may be OP but since you Feds have everything else KDF now, we still need something that is distinctly ours to keep you on your toes and make you EARN those PVP victories you so gallantly thump your chest over
oh and FYI, I Play a Klingon KDF Carrier Science Captain... you will find me in PVP Queues as N'talia Daughter of Kor, or Xi'Zzin (romulan kdf aligned)
Major Xi'Zzin I.R.W. Raptor's Claw Storm Eagle Class WarbirdFleet Ha'feh I have never trusted humans, and I never will
lets address the Federation Player sense of Entitlement shall we ?
1. Feds Have the largest choice pool for ships and a dedicated line of science ships for advancing through the levels... more costume options for those ships and generally a larger stable of ships to choose from that they do not have to buy from the C-store, KDF has a smaller pool of ships to choose from less costume options and NO dedicated Science ship until you get to the Vo'Quv/Varanus (identical to the Vulcan Science ship in all but turn rate which because of fed players the Vulcan science ships turn rate got buffed while the varanus stayed at its current level)
2. KDF has the Vo'Quv, and Karfi Carriers fed players complain and eventually get the Atrox, Armatage, and Vesta.....
3. the KDF have a few cool consoles (subspace jumper, isometric charge, graviton pulse, bio-neural warhead, plasmonic leech, just to name a few) Feds complain that its unfair and that they should also have these consoles... guess what everyone I listed is available to the fed side cheaper than for the KDF to aquire them....
4. the KDF BoP has Battlecloak and most every other non c-store kdf ship has cloak.... Fed Players cry foul and unfair and then the Defiant retrofit gets a cloaking console (its not battlecloak but its a move in that direction) and the Galaxy X with its cloak, and NOW with the inclusion of the romulans this is a back door and under the table way to give the Federation the Battlecloak...
so tell me again how the sense of entitlement that the feds have is bull ?
don't presume to tell me that the Fed Players do not have a sense of entitlement I think the record of the last 18 months speaks for itself... leave these Elite Fleet Disruptors alone... if you are a fed player and encountering these weapons put on your big boy knickers and suck it up buttercup, adapt and overcome or just stop playing in PVP
Admittedly these weapons may be OP but since you Feds have everything else KDF now, we still need something that is distinctly ours to keep you on your toes and make you EARN those PVP victories you so gallantly thump your chest over
oh and FYI, I Play a Klingon KDF Carrier Science Captain... you will find me in PVP Queues as N'talia Daughter of Kor, or Xi'Zzin (romulan kdf aligned)
. **completely ignores entire argumentative and misdirectional response..
entitlement my a** the weapons are ridiculously imbalanced and you and everyone else knows it.
knews flash kdf fanboi you're human. matter of fact its highly likely you don't even play a klingon toon except for farming. you play a kdf allied Alien u poser.
No. They are not. And, you need to chill, man. Stop with the flaming.
I feel I need to say this as a Federation Player.
By and Large I get the impression that people seem to forget several things:
The United Federation of Planets is not perfect. Even though they would like to think so. The UFP and there-by, its military arm (Starfleet) are at war with several culture on several fronts.
I for one, would like to know where the hell all these resources are coming from, which allow them to field all this tech, when only 60 years ago, the bulk of Starfleet was an armada of 48 vessels. (Anyone remember Wolf 359?)
It would seem to me that Starfleet should be having a harder time of things, than our game seems to depict. Also, again, we are at war. Technologies advance quickly in wartime, but it is rare that such advancements see the battlefield so quickly.
Bare also in mind that Starfleet, and the Federation function in a much different fashion than the War-driven, combat oriented Klingon society. Simply put, these people are accustom to warfront conditions and should, simply by virtue of the same, hold a higher placing during any war.
This said, espienage can lead to loss of state secrets and new technologies and weapons. (referance the Enigma machine of WW II which allowed Allied forces to anticipate Axis movements and counter them effectively).
I think, Starfleet, and Federation players need to consider all these things. We should not expect any more than we already have. The klingon, which are only one faction we are currently at war with, are a society which is geared for conflict, conquest and battle. Everything they do, including adapting to rapidly changing warfront conditions, inovation and emplimentation of new technologies, SHOULD reflect this.
No two sides in any war are rarely equal. Nor should they be.
Disruptors need to sound like disruptors right now they dont
In the klingon civil war TNG episode's the Disruptor bolt fired from Galron's ship is missing totally
Klingon photon torpedo's make the wrong sound when fired
disruptors do more damage to targets over phasers making up for the missing 5th console , with the same level of equipment ( Rare ) / Blue a ship equiped with disruptors wil do considerability more damage than a equally prepared phaser equiped ship to a target
anyone can reproduce these results with cheep white common weapons and consoles on the same ship
Adding more to the disruptors resistance debuff just widens the gap more on Elite weapons
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I feel I need to say this as a Federation Player.
By and Large I get the impression that people seem to forget several things:
The United Federation of Planets is not perfect. Even though they would like to think so. The UFP and there-by, its military arm (Starfleet) are at war with several culture on several fronts.
I for one, would like to know where the hell all these resources are coming from, which allow them to field all this tech, when only 60 years ago, the bulk of Starfleet was an armada of 48 vessels. (Anyone remember Wolf 359?)
It would seem to me that Starfleet should be having a harder time of things, than our game seems to depict. Also, again, we are at war. Technologies advance quickly in wartime, but it is rare that such advancements see the battlefield so quickly.
Bare also in mind that Starfleet, and the Federation function in a much different fashion than the War-driven, combat oriented Klingon society. Simply put, these people are accustom to warfront conditions and should, simply by virtue of the same, hold a higher placing during any war.
This said, espienage can lead to loss of state secrets and new technologies and weapons. (referance the Enigma machine of WW II which allowed Allied forces to anticipate Axis movements and counter them effectively).
I think, Starfleet, and Federation players need to consider all these things. We should not expect any more than we already have. The klingon, which are only one faction we are currently at war with, are a society which is geared for conflict, conquest and battle. Everything they do, including adapting to rapidly changing warfront conditions, inovation and emplimentation of new technologies, SHOULD reflect this.
No two sides in any war are rarely equal. Nor should they be.
Absolutely right! The original post was about disparities in gear. Does it really matter? In the end, the Federation will end up with more ships that have Federation unique consoles that make up for the imbalance. And, the KDF will, as well; and, invariablly, we will see more screaming and crying, and gnashing of teeth over this fact.
Am I sad/mad? Nope. I run with a pretty good crowd of numbers crunchers who like to share new builds that maximize on damage and survivability. They've taught me alot, and sometimes, I manage to impress them with ideas of my own. I favor science ships, and can rock the field in any faction. I don't have access to major mega-weapons like the Fleets that are above T3. I don't need them. I can adapt and overcome. If not, I just move on. It's not a big deal. No penile measuring required.
ok so lets talk about Gear disparity for a moment now that we have addressed the Entitlement mindset of many Federation Players,
in my previous statement I noted that the Federation has a Far better collection of ships to choose from that does require a C-store purchase...
for the longest time the Phasers were the weapons of choice for federation players (well Phasers and Anti Protons for tacs and Phasers / Polarons for Science.... that's because for the longest time the phaser proc was broken.... and everyone used phasers almost to the exclusion of everything else.... except for the Klingons which stuck with their Disruptors.....
in the time it took for Cryptic to address the Phaser Proc Issue I watched as the Feds got Carriers, 3 different Ship 3-packs, (the KDF only got one 3-pack) all of the cool KDF consoles started making their way to Fed Captains..... essentially most everything (I said most not all)that was uniquely KDF was assimilated into the Federation.
Everytime the KDF had something that was better than the Feds had the Fed Playerbase would Scream "give us the same stuff or nerf it" while KDF players sat back and used what they had to still win against this technologically SUPERIOR faction....
now the Elite Fleet Disruptors are better than the Elite Fleet Phasers so there is a gear disparity again and of course the Fed Battlecry is "give us the same thing or nerf those disruptors"
so the Elite Fleet Disruptors are better, BIG deal these weapons are not an I win button...
the problem that most fed players are missing here is that if your build is not solid all the op gear in the world is not going to help you. you will still get defeated... learn to play smarter and quit relying on the OP cheese... I do not use the Elite Disruptors I have them and I save them for STFs because I Don't need them to defeat players in PVP.... as a matter of fact my Fleet Ha'feh does not use a single piece of Reputation gear and has very limited "Advanced" Fleet gear and I still do well in PVP... while I'm sure my build is solid it more comes down to the skill of the player than the equipment he/she uses....
I put it to you this way... take the BEST of the BEST PVP players out there put them in a ship with ALL common gear no universal consoles(unless it actually came with the ship) and put 5 of them on a team.... now form a team of decent players with access to EVERYTHING the game has to offer and watch as the team of Common Gear ELITE PvP players DECIMATE everyone that comes their way....
But how is this possible you ask ?
Simple, the Elite yet common team will communicate and coordinate and know their ship and builds intimately where as the team that can use everything rely on the universal skill consoles and spam and in the end do not know their builds as well and do not plan as well because they rely on OP gear more than actual tactics.....
so in closing the Elite Fleet Disruptors are OP (maybe) they are not an I win button...
learn your build learn your ships capabilities, and learn to work as a team.... (3 things the KDF figured out EARLY on in this game)...
Major Xi'Zzin I.R.W. Raptor's Claw Storm Eagle Class WarbirdFleet Ha'feh I have never trusted humans, and I never will
entitlement my a** the weapons are ridiculously imbalanced and you and everyone else knows it.
knews flash kdf fanboi you're human. matter of fact its highly likely you don't even play a klingon toon except for farming. you play a kdf allied Alien u poser.
I was playing STO since closed beta you monkeydescended fed cool aid drinking fop and KLingon since the faction was put in the game.
I have one fed toon. My fed toon. I only play him for special events.
I know full well I am human in RL.
In the game Im klingon.
Or do you really believe you are part of space fairing race of humans on some trek to be threatened by my viewpoint of said fictional characters?
Truth hurts. In STO the majority of the fed fanbase comes off as having a false sense of Entitlement to anything they desire IP for purely selfish reasons. Its even been the foundation to support your Need for any item or experience that the KDF and now Romulans possessed. "The IP is about us, we deserve..." "the UFP has thousands of member races, weshould have any existing technology in the IP"
The examples of the fed entitlement mentality is well known.
Im just glad not all fans are like you. Ive luckily met many good people in sto.
As to why you TRIBBLE may be entitled, I can say as I do not know what youbintend or do with it.
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Yep, if a premade with proper cross healing still gets shields chewed to bits (but still wins) by the combined force of Elite Disruptor use, then a pug has almost no chance.
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You should be able to do this with with the Galaxy X, just load up EpTe and RCS, maybe some Deutrium in a device slot.
I'd personally go with an A2B build. Plus you can cloak like a battle cruiser.
Mmm, I use capacitance cell as an extra getaway console, but I know better than to linger too close to anything for too long, lest I be discovered. People doing that deserve to be discovered and blasted to bits. . .maybe they'll learn their lesson and stop embarrassing fellow BoP pilots
Balance the factions and their ship lineups first, THEN worry about balancing the finer details. Whether or not Federation die-hards want to realize it, they have the superior ship lineup, especially now that they have Romulan allies to throw in as well. When you factor in Fed-Rom ships, the Federation lineup essentially has no weaknesses. The Romulan battlecruisers/attack cruisers compensate for the lack of burst DPS on the part of Federation cruisers, and Federation escorts remain the best in the game, as well as the science ships.
Instead of trying to keep the KDF sub-par and remove any advantages we might happen gain (such as this Elite Fleet weapons one), how about eliminating the need for us to have said advantages to counter the fact that our ship lineup is in overall not as good as the Federation/Romulan one? Give us a strong science ship line that can possibly manage to match the Federation's options, and give us more raptors/destroyers that match what the Federation offers. We might be a little less resistant to having certain advantages taken away, then, if the Federation gives up a few of its own 'advantages'. Most of the reason we resisted having our consoles turned over to the Federation (in my opinion, anyways) was because those 'better' consoles helped compensate for the fact that our raptors/destroyers aren't as good, our science ships are pisspoor compared to Federation options, and our BoPs are flexible but inherently limited.
Its a process so prevalent for the feds in the IP that it has been a focus of some fan-fictions.
I dont believe they know just how good they really have it and continue this course put of some perception of entitlement.
R.I.P
knews flash kdf fanboi you're human. matter of fact its highly likely you don't even play a klingon toon except for farming. you play a kdf allied Alien u poser.
lets address the Federation Player sense of Entitlement shall we ?
1. Feds Have the largest choice pool for ships and a dedicated line of science ships for advancing through the levels... more costume options for those ships and generally a larger stable of ships to choose from that they do not have to buy from the C-store, KDF has a smaller pool of ships to choose from less costume options and NO dedicated Science ship until you get to the Vo'Quv/Varanus (identical to the Vulcan Science ship in all but turn rate which because of fed players the Vulcan science ships turn rate got buffed while the varanus stayed at its current level)
2. KDF has the Vo'Quv, and Karfi Carriers fed players complain and eventually get the Atrox, Armatage, and Vesta.....
3. the KDF have a few cool consoles (subspace jumper, isometric charge, graviton pulse, bio-neural warhead, plasmonic leech, just to name a few) Feds complain that its unfair and that they should also have these consoles... guess what everyone I listed is available to the fed side cheaper than for the KDF to aquire them....
4. the KDF BoP has Battlecloak and most every other non c-store kdf ship has cloak.... Fed Players cry foul and unfair and then the Defiant retrofit gets a cloaking console (its not battlecloak but its a move in that direction) and the Galaxy X with its cloak, and NOW with the inclusion of the romulans this is a back door and under the table way to give the Federation the Battlecloak...
5. (edited cause I forgot something) and now lets look at the bundle ships that have arrived. the Oddysey 3-pack(fed) Vesta 3-pack (fed) Kumari 3-pack (fed) Bortasque 3-pack (kdf) Scimitar 3-pack (Romulan)
so that is 12-15 more ships added to the feds while the KDF got 3-6.....
so tell me again how the sense of entitlement that the feds have is bull ?
don't presume to tell me that the Fed Players do not have a sense of entitlement I think the record of the last 18 months speaks for itself... leave these Elite Fleet Disruptors alone... if you are a fed player and encountering these weapons put on your big boy knickers and suck it up buttercup, adapt and overcome or just stop playing in PVP
Admittedly these weapons may be OP but since you Feds have everything else KDF now, we still need something that is distinctly ours to keep you on your toes and make you EARN those PVP victories you so gallantly thump your chest over
oh and FYI, I Play a Klingon KDF Carrier Science Captain... you will find me in PVP Queues as N'talia Daughter of Kor, or Xi'Zzin (romulan kdf aligned)
I.R.W. Raptor's Claw
Storm Eagle Class Warbird Fleet Ha'feh
I have never trusted humans, and I never will
. **completely ignores entire argumentative and misdirectional response..
Where did you learn reading comprehension ?
No. They are not. And, you need to chill, man. Stop with the flaming.
obviously the wall of text was to much for you to read so I will boil it down for you....
OMG the KDF has something OP NERF IT NERF IT... or give the us Feds the SAME THING
and my reply was (boiled down for the intellectually challenged)
NO you feds already has enough of our stuffs
I.R.W. Raptor's Claw
Storm Eagle Class Warbird Fleet Ha'feh
I have never trusted humans, and I never will
No no. He has a case of serious BUTT HURT.
By and Large I get the impression that people seem to forget several things:
The United Federation of Planets is not perfect. Even though they would like to think so. The UFP and there-by, its military arm (Starfleet) are at war with several culture on several fronts.
I for one, would like to know where the hell all these resources are coming from, which allow them to field all this tech, when only 60 years ago, the bulk of Starfleet was an armada of 48 vessels. (Anyone remember Wolf 359?)
It would seem to me that Starfleet should be having a harder time of things, than our game seems to depict. Also, again, we are at war. Technologies advance quickly in wartime, but it is rare that such advancements see the battlefield so quickly.
Bare also in mind that Starfleet, and the Federation function in a much different fashion than the War-driven, combat oriented Klingon society. Simply put, these people are accustom to warfront conditions and should, simply by virtue of the same, hold a higher placing during any war.
This said, espienage can lead to loss of state secrets and new technologies and weapons. (referance the Enigma machine of WW II which allowed Allied forces to anticipate Axis movements and counter them effectively).
I think, Starfleet, and Federation players need to consider all these things. We should not expect any more than we already have. The klingon, which are only one faction we are currently at war with, are a society which is geared for conflict, conquest and battle. Everything they do, including adapting to rapidly changing warfront conditions, inovation and emplimentation of new technologies, SHOULD reflect this.
No two sides in any war are rarely equal. Nor should they be.
In the klingon civil war TNG episode's the Disruptor bolt fired from Galron's ship is missing totally
Klingon photon torpedo's make the wrong sound when fired
disruptors do more damage to targets over phasers making up for the missing 5th console , with the same level of equipment ( Rare ) / Blue a ship equiped with disruptors wil do considerability more damage than a equally prepared phaser equiped ship to a target
anyone can reproduce these results with cheep white common weapons and consoles on the same ship
Adding more to the disruptors resistance debuff just widens the gap more on Elite weapons
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Absolutely right! The original post was about disparities in gear. Does it really matter? In the end, the Federation will end up with more ships that have Federation unique consoles that make up for the imbalance. And, the KDF will, as well; and, invariablly, we will see more screaming and crying, and gnashing of teeth over this fact.
Am I sad/mad? Nope. I run with a pretty good crowd of numbers crunchers who like to share new builds that maximize on damage and survivability. They've taught me alot, and sometimes, I manage to impress them with ideas of my own. I favor science ships, and can rock the field in any faction. I don't have access to major mega-weapons like the Fleets that are above T3. I don't need them. I can adapt and overcome. If not, I just move on. It's not a big deal. No penile measuring required.
in my previous statement I noted that the Federation has a Far better collection of ships to choose from that does require a C-store purchase...
for the longest time the Phasers were the weapons of choice for federation players (well Phasers and Anti Protons for tacs and Phasers / Polarons for Science.... that's because for the longest time the phaser proc was broken.... and everyone used phasers almost to the exclusion of everything else.... except for the Klingons which stuck with their Disruptors.....
in the time it took for Cryptic to address the Phaser Proc Issue I watched as the Feds got Carriers, 3 different Ship 3-packs, (the KDF only got one 3-pack) all of the cool KDF consoles started making their way to Fed Captains..... essentially most everything (I said most not all)that was uniquely KDF was assimilated into the Federation.
Everytime the KDF had something that was better than the Feds had the Fed Playerbase would Scream "give us the same stuff or nerf it" while KDF players sat back and used what they had to still win against this technologically SUPERIOR faction....
now the Elite Fleet Disruptors are better than the Elite Fleet Phasers so there is a gear disparity again and of course the Fed Battlecry is "give us the same thing or nerf those disruptors"
so the Elite Fleet Disruptors are better, BIG deal these weapons are not an I win button...
the problem that most fed players are missing here is that if your build is not solid all the op gear in the world is not going to help you. you will still get defeated... learn to play smarter and quit relying on the OP cheese... I do not use the Elite Disruptors I have them and I save them for STFs because I Don't need them to defeat players in PVP.... as a matter of fact my Fleet Ha'feh does not use a single piece of Reputation gear and has very limited "Advanced" Fleet gear and I still do well in PVP... while I'm sure my build is solid it more comes down to the skill of the player than the equipment he/she uses....
I put it to you this way... take the BEST of the BEST PVP players out there put them in a ship with ALL common gear no universal consoles(unless it actually came with the ship) and put 5 of them on a team.... now form a team of decent players with access to EVERYTHING the game has to offer and watch as the team of Common Gear ELITE PvP players DECIMATE everyone that comes their way....
But how is this possible you ask ?
Simple, the Elite yet common team will communicate and coordinate and know their ship and builds intimately where as the team that can use everything rely on the universal skill consoles and spam and in the end do not know their builds as well and do not plan as well because they rely on OP gear more than actual tactics.....
so in closing the Elite Fleet Disruptors are OP (maybe) they are not an I win button...
learn your build learn your ships capabilities, and learn to work as a team.... (3 things the KDF figured out EARLY on in this game)...
I.R.W. Raptor's Claw
Storm Eagle Class Warbird Fleet Ha'feh
I have never trusted humans, and I never will
I was playing STO since closed beta you monkeydescended fed cool aid drinking fop and KLingon since the faction was put in the game.
I have one fed toon. My fed toon. I only play him for special events.
I know full well I am human in RL.
In the game Im klingon.
Or do you really believe you are part of space fairing race of humans on some trek to be threatened by my viewpoint of said fictional characters?
Truth hurts. In STO the majority of the fed fanbase comes off as having a false sense of Entitlement to anything they desire IP for purely selfish reasons. Its even been the foundation to support your Need for any item or experience that the KDF and now Romulans possessed. "The IP is about us, we deserve..." "the UFP has thousands of member races, weshould have any existing technology in the IP"
The examples of the fed entitlement mentality is well known.
Im just glad not all fans are like you. Ive luckily met many good people in sto.
As to why you TRIBBLE may be entitled, I can say as I do not know what youbintend or do with it.
R.I.P