Honestly, the only problem I have with this is timing. Since this is being done at launch, and the Plasmotic Leech serves nicely to help mitigate some of the -40 power of a Warbird, it leaves players with little incentive to align their Romulan characters with the KDF. If the same trend holds true with this console as in the past, the Reward Pack prices will be relatively cheap a few weeks after folks start hunting for the new lock box ships; the result being that any player that hasn't unlocked the Vandal can choose to pay 1000 Zen for access to the ship/console (KDF aligned), or just pay some EC's on the Exchange (Fed aligned).
Can you guess which faction queue is going to pop faster as a result, and which will pop slower?
What you said is just a nicer way of putting what I had been ranting about. I was really excited about the LoR but this kinda soured my view of it. The anxiety set in and it wasn't really about the feds getting it is that most kdf you wait a long time to do anything kdf specific so the plasmonic leech was one of the last few KDF things a player could get to use that would nudge a given player in the right direction.
Maybe they will surprise us and open up new doors to the KDF for newer and older veteran players that just didn't find it that appealing although I do know most of the people who have been in the KDF for last few years mostly only joined its ranks because of being fans of the Klingons throughout all of the Star Trek series.
Honestly, the only problem I have with this is timing. Since this is being done at launch, and the Plasmotic Leech serves nicely to help mitigate some of the -40 power of a Warbird, it leaves players with little incentive to align their Romulan characters with the KDF. If the same trend holds true with this console as in the past, the Reward Pack prices will be relatively cheap a few weeks after folks start hunting for the new lock box ships; the result being that any player that hasn't unlocked the Vandal can choose to pay 1000 Zen for access to the ship/console (KDF aligned), or just pay some EC's on the Exchange (Fed aligned).
Can you guess which faction queue is going to pop faster as a result, and which will pop slower?
This is absolutely right and my main concern. I saw in zone chat and on the forums many wanting to go KDF with their Romulans for this advantage, seriously couldn't Cryptic have waited until the next lock box before doing this?
I am still waiting on the Armitage's Torpedo Console, that would have made a reasonable trade I think for the leech.
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Well.. who knows.. perhaps they will give the klings a new powerful toy (console) with the upcoming Negh'Var refit? .. .. in any case.. I think that there are still enough rom players which will join the KDF regardless of any consoles - also don't forget all the people who will certainly try a kling char now that they have added lvl 1-50 progression!
"We might get pretty singed at that range, but not as singed as they're going to get. Engage."
- Captain Six of Nine aka Ashley "Don't Call Me Ash" Campbell
I am still waiting on the Armitage's Torpedo Console, that would have made a reasonable trade I think for the leech.
Except that console is limited to the Armitage alone, not even other Fed ships let alone cross faction.
I thought the KDF were the superior warriors and all, loudly bragging all over these forums that they were simply better than everyone else, while the Feds were just a bunch of pathetic whiners who shouldn't even be IN this game with the Real Men. Now one mechanical advantages trades hands, on the same day the KDF gets 2 new ships (plus one more in the oven), and those magical 20 starting levels, and its nothing but rivers of tears and indignation?
Maybe they will surprise us and open up new doors to the KDF for newer and older veteran players that just didn't find it that appealing although I do know most of the people who have been in the KDF for last few years mostly only joined its ranks because of being fans of the Klingons throughout all of the Star Trek series.
We do actually have 2 new consoles coming with the expanded KDF level progression, though we'll have to see whether they are anywhere near as useful as the Plasmotic Leech... or balance its availability for EC's on the Exchange. The source info can be found here at Legacy of Romulus Dev Blog #20, but I'll retype it for convenience.
Enhanced Induction Coils
---short duration increase to your weapons and engine power levels
---repairs disabled weapons and engine subsystems
Shield Destabilizer
---generates a large Tachyon field around your ship which will drain shields/shield power
---cannot activate while cloaked
My guess is that these new toys will not really balance the pull of the Federation for all the new Romulan captains, since you won't get these for EC's like you will the Plasmotic Leech on the Fed side. Neither helps too much with the otherwise limited power levels of the Warbirds, either.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
... now unless you are saying KDF are utter rubbish that NEED a pay Console that is so obvious broken but is required because poor KDF have rubbish ships and it will kill the KDF when put of OP Fed ships that are OP.
KDF cruisers are still lightyears beyond Starfleet cruisers so there is balance between them and Starfleet escorts. Now the final disparity has been removed and KDF players might actually encounter a challenge in PvP.
I'm going to point out again that the Klingon's aren't actually losing the PL console. Every time they add one of these cross faction console packs, this comes up, and everyone whines that KDF is "losing" whatever cheese console they had, and that KDF will die when the console is released.
I don't know about everyone, but I don't choose to play a faction based on what fancy consoles they have available. Yeah, sure you are losing the exclusivity of the console, but you still have it, and I'll bet all the players that really know how to employ PL know how to counter it too, so it's not that big of a setback. And nothing is going to kill the KDF, if anything I think we're about to see a population explosion on Qo'noS, now that they are adding a real tutorial and 1-50 content. I for one could never really get seriously into KDF before, and I think it might be worth playing more after tomorrow.
Why didn't this /thread? Oh right, we're dealing with a bunch of whiny little baby targs that don't know good sense when it's being beaten into them with a Gin'tak.
Delete all toons, only play romulan as the KDF and Federation are no longer unique.
Also this ruins all my major points I made to my Federation fleet mates. "Come to KDF with your rommie, we have leech and elite fleet disruptors. Yay!"
Now they can get all that through a lock box and without having to leave the Federation. Go f--k yourself cryptic.
Either my sarcasm detector is totally borked or you are.
I am starting to think we should just get it over with and merge KDF into a Fed subfaction already like the Romulans are. It is obvious now Cryptic doesn't care about it, and KDF numbers will be doomed now, no reason to take your Romulan to KDF.
I'd rather play a Klingon with no nice gear than a whiny fed or a half-faction Romulan pet to the other factions.
It's gonna be fun watching the feds with their new 'I win' console still getting the butts handed to them, and all the bugs and broken items coming to the Roms.
Oh I know. Yeah funny thing about the plasmonic leach - it doesn't do you any good if you get decloak alpha'd and die before you can even squeeze of a shot.
Another epic Crypitc failure. I hope your servers crash and burn tomorrow ... hard. I say this even thought I never used or bought the console. I mean $20 and $120 starter packs and countless lockboxes have not made you enough money. Jeez.
So..it is a highly situational torpedo and a big waste of a console slot. Only functional in pvp really.
Isn't that what you're all griping about with the Feds getting the magic leach?
Wow, this has a been a fun thread.
I think after the servers stabilize I shall roll a Reman Sci aligned with KDF and destroy things without a leach. Because I can, and because I will enjoy it.
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Giving PL console to Fed faction is unfair toward kdf because kdf ships were designed to be weaker than Fed ships.
As some already said it is time that kdf get 5 fore /5 tactical console raptors and bops now that kumari/vesta/armitage will be able to use PL.
"There already is a Borg faction, its called the Federation. They assimilate everyone else's technology and remove any biological or technical distinctiveness and add it to their own."
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
That's a common misconception. Whining about loss of identity is a matter of honor. Just ask Kurn.
Nah.. Kurn was a special case.. "softened" by his fed-bro.. - real Klingons don't whine and even embrace impossible odds (aka fed-leech??? lol)!!! What did Martok once say? .. "A vital mission, impossible odds and a ruthless enemy, what more could we ask for?"
"We might get pretty singed at that range, but not as singed as they're going to get. Engage."
- Captain Six of Nine aka Ashley "Don't Call Me Ash" Campbell
and its nothing but rivers of tears and indignation?
I thought the federation was comprised of good moral character and compasionate hearts for thier fellow sentients yet we have them descending like vultures in this and other threads to feast on the KDF's pain at feeling screwed again.
Guess both fanbases failed to live up to the ideals of thier fandom.
Guys, we all knew this was coming. We've got the Maco shields through the Reputation system, which provides +10 to power levels while in combat. Add plasmonic leech with a full spec in flow caps, which gives us +16, and you've got +26 to all power levels while in combat.
I do agree, though, that this is once again a horrible trade. But if that's a reason for ya'll to stop playing KDF, you weren't worthy of the red UI anyway.
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This doesn't bother me at all. You could even look at it as a tacit admission by Cryptic that the Romulans need this console. The leech is great, no one will debate that, which means it's going to be in very high demand Fedside. Fed-aligned Rommies will want it, sci captains will want it, cruiser captains will probably want it too in order to make their ships less derpy. That equates to extremely high sale prices on the Exchange, which will go to even more insane levels after the boxes stop dropping. Or you can always gamble with keys and enjoy an inventory overflowing with doff packs and dil mining claims. Meanwhile on the KDF side, you pay 1000 zen ONCE and have the leech for every KDF or KDF-aligned Rommie on your account, forever. I will buy exactly one leech console Fedside, for my sci alt. All of my Romulans will be KDF-aligned, so they can enjoy the leech consoles I already have unlimited access to.
I'm still waiting for the all the whining once everyone Fedside who didn't skill into flow caps realizes they now need to buy a respec.
I will still play a Klingon when servers come back up with LoR going live... some stupid console going one side or the other will not change that and I do not care...
The only thing I don't like about it is the timing. By putting that console in a box now only aids to players choosing Fed faction with their Romulan character.
You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online!
This doesn't bother me at all. You could even look at it as a tacit admission by Cryptic that the Romulans need this console. The leech is great, no one will debate that, which means it's going to be in very high demand Fedside. Fed-aligned Rommies will want it, sci captains will want it, cruiser captains will probably want it too in order to make their ships less derpy. That equates to extremely high sale prices on the Exchange, which will go to even more insane levels after the boxes stop dropping. Or you can always gamble with keys and enjoy an inventory overflowing with doff packs and dil mining claims. Meanwhile on the KDF side, you pay 1000 zen ONCE and have the leech for every KDF or KDF-aligned Rommie on your account, forever. I will buy exactly one leech console Fedside, for my sci alt. All of my Romulans will be KDF-aligned, so they can enjoy the leech consoles I already have unlimited access to.
I'm still waiting for the all the whining once everyone Fedside who didn't skill into flow caps realizes they now need to buy a respec.
That little bit up there was exactly what came to my mind a little while ago, I can imagine a lot of profiteering off that console box...definitely isn't going to be 50k like the last one.
I can imagine outrageous prices for it since it is probably the most desired KDF console in the game. Millions definitely...maybe even tens or hundreds of millions for it. If people get really greedy I could imagine seeing the console box go for more than the ship itself lol.
I don't have a problem with giving the console to the Feds. I have a problem however with less diversity in the game. The game would be a lot more interesting if each side had different gear. I have four Fed characters and four KDF characters so I'm not biased towards any faction.
I don't have a problem with giving the console to the Feds. I have a problem however with less diversity in the game. The game would be a lot more interesting if each side had different gear.
ummm...consoles DID make each faction diverse.
we DID have different gear.
it's only a matter of time before we see fed B'rels at ESD.
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I would like to thank the Klingon faction for this much needed entertainment while LoR maintenance is ongoing.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
The armitage's torp console is only used on the armitage, it isn't cross ship, so it won't ever end up cross faction consoles. Secondly, it sucks, the effect visually is awesome, but look at damage and logs and you'll see how terribly bad it does.
Disliking the leech handout. Just one less thing to differentiate the factions now.
Next time will be Acetone, or it'll be on the list anyway for the future. Nothing is sacred now.
Roms can get bops, feds can get battle cruisers now with new lobi store ship and destroyer class ships muddying the differentiation. Pretty much flight-deck cruisers are the last solely KDF only ship class. Which just so happens to be the ship class type I love flying, hence why my main is kdf.
No, they just gave us a proper tutorial, Level 1-20 content, two new ships, a revised storyline, and option to change the eyeball-searing red UI because they hate us.
They didn't exactly do it because they love KDF either.
Tutorial - Something missing from day 1. That's catch up and just something that needed to be done
Level 1-20 content, again something they had to do to FINALLY catch KDF up so we're now on par.
2 New ships, yep they threw us a (small) bone there.
Revised story line, Again something that had to be done to bring KDF up to par with feds and roms and just to make the story line match up with the other 2 factions and the overall universe story.
Non red UI options, came about because they cbf doing a green version of the old ui for roms so rebuilt it from scratch to handle skins, which just so happens to allow non red ui on kdf faction.
Apart from the 2 new cstore ships, everything else done kdf side is just to bring them up to par or because the story or rom faction demanded it. They didn't necessarily do it because they love kdf (Im sure they do), but more because they had to for the LOR marketing bullet point sales pitch.
Having said that, I shall be enjoying the new KDF content all the same. And will (futily) be hoping for more KDF love in the future.
OK here's a newsflash.
YOU'RE ALL HUMAN.
All this redside blue side nonsense is just that, nonsense.
In the meantime romulans have invaded both our home terrirtories.
Federation is the CORE faction. KDF is a SUB-Faction. Get Over It.
Nothing is sacred.
Nor has been for along time.
There was a single reason federation ships did not use Battle cloak or any other technology available to the other "factions"
That reason is gone now.
Everytime I fly into a cloud of theta radiation or a field of aceton assimilators or am pursued by a bio-neural warhead I remember why.
Stop crying that your kdf doesn't have an advantage over federation.
IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE.
Take back your theta and your leech, but throw away your Korath and your Attack Ship.
No self respectful Klingon would have ever flown in an enemy faction ship and the thought of time traveling Klingons is just ridiculous. you know it as well as I.
Stop your hypocritical QQing, man up 'n act like a Klingon shoud.
Oh wait, I forgot, like 98% of you ARE NOT EVEN KLINGON. you're alien.
SMH. Posers.
Dishonor upon you
Whatever it is being discussed here...: Cryptic DOES NOT care... (sadly enough... its a moneygrab and dont try and deny that... Even when you are a Lifetime or Gold...)
I wonder how Cryptic poses to sell KDF zen ships if they continue to just give away the best KDF consoles of that faction. I mean, why bother with making a KDF now. Romulans have cloak ships and you can get all the cool KDF consoles off the exchange so why bother aligning yourself with the KDF.
You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online!
Federation faction has better escorts than kdf and now will have PL console above that as topping.
I shall roll a romulan char because their ships are better than any kdf escort I flown untill today and I will need romulan ships to fight against federation chars.
My romulan will be Kdf affiliated because i don't like the treatment that Cryptic applies to kdf faction and being a kdf player or a kdf affiliated romulan it is the single way I feel right about that issue.
"There already is a Borg faction, its called the Federation. They assimilate everyone else's technology and remove any biological or technical distinctiveness and add it to their own."
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
I cared once, but it was pretty obvious in the last few months that KDF's were going to get screwed over anyway so I kinda accepted that fact. I had fun in my BoP while it lasted.
There really is no point in going KDF Romulan now because the obvious advantages are all @ Fed Rommy now.
I kinda got sick of the constant 'no KDF in 5v5 private challenges' bullsh*t, KDF queues are cheese, etc. even without using p2w sh*t like aceton assimilators, siphon drones, plasmonic leech stacking drain bs.
Thats why im glad there now is battlecloak Fedside.
Also KDF ships have always been nerfed greatly compared to their KDF counterparts, its just time to let loose of KDF and move forward imo.
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What you said is just a nicer way of putting what I had been ranting about. I was really excited about the LoR but this kinda soured my view of it. The anxiety set in and it wasn't really about the feds getting it is that most kdf you wait a long time to do anything kdf specific so the plasmonic leech was one of the last few KDF things a player could get to use that would nudge a given player in the right direction.
Maybe they will surprise us and open up new doors to the KDF for newer and older veteran players that just didn't find it that appealing although I do know most of the people who have been in the KDF for last few years mostly only joined its ranks because of being fans of the Klingons throughout all of the Star Trek series.
This is absolutely right and my main concern. I saw in zone chat and on the forums many wanting to go KDF with their Romulans for this advantage, seriously couldn't Cryptic have waited until the next lock box before doing this?
I am still waiting on the Armitage's Torpedo Console, that would have made a reasonable trade I think for the leech.
Except that console is limited to the Armitage alone, not even other Fed ships let alone cross faction.
I thought the KDF were the superior warriors and all, loudly bragging all over these forums that they were simply better than everyone else, while the Feds were just a bunch of pathetic whiners who shouldn't even be IN this game with the Real Men. Now one mechanical advantages trades hands, on the same day the KDF gets 2 new ships (plus one more in the oven), and those magical 20 starting levels, and its nothing but rivers of tears and indignation?
We do actually have 2 new consoles coming with the expanded KDF level progression, though we'll have to see whether they are anywhere near as useful as the Plasmotic Leech... or balance its availability for EC's on the Exchange. The source info can be found here at Legacy of Romulus Dev Blog #20, but I'll retype it for convenience.
Enhanced Induction Coils
---short duration increase to your weapons and engine power levels
---repairs disabled weapons and engine subsystems
Shield Destabilizer
---generates a large Tachyon field around your ship which will drain shields/shield power
---cannot activate while cloaked
My guess is that these new toys will not really balance the pull of the Federation for all the new Romulan captains, since you won't get these for EC's like you will the Plasmotic Leech on the Fed side. Neither helps too much with the otherwise limited power levels of the Warbirds, either.
Or something like that.
That's a common misconception. Whining about loss of identity is a matter of honor. Just ask Kurn.
What he said.
Yup. Guess they didn't get the memo that THE KDF IS A FULL FACTION NOW thanks to Cryptic's many many many sleepless hours of overtime effort.
Or at least, more of them.
Yup. Especially now that its damage has been upgraded to be on par with THY.
Why didn't this /thread? Oh right, we're dealing with a bunch of whiny little baby targs that don't know good sense when it's being beaten into them with a Gin'tak.
That stupid Temporal Cold War ****s up just everything, don't it?
Either my sarcasm detector is totally borked or you are.
You people are cute. I'll eat you last.
Oh I know. Yeah funny thing about the plasmonic leach - it doesn't do you any good if you get decloak alpha'd and die before you can even squeeze of a shot.
I dare you to make less sense.
It's been pretty hilarious so far.
Isn't that what you're all griping about with the Feds getting the magic leach?
Wow, this has a been a fun thread.
I think after the servers stabilize I shall roll a Reman Sci aligned with KDF and destroy things without a leach. Because I can, and because I will enjoy it.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
As some already said it is time that kdf get 5 fore /5 tactical console raptors and bops now that kumari/vesta/armitage will be able to use PL.
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
Nah.. Kurn was a special case.. "softened" by his fed-bro.. - real Klingons don't whine and even embrace impossible odds (aka fed-leech???
Good popcorn...
Needs more butter though.
I thought the federation was comprised of good moral character and compasionate hearts for thier fellow sentients yet we have them descending like vultures in this and other threads to feast on the KDF's pain at feeling screwed again.
Guess both fanbases failed to live up to the ideals of thier fandom.
R.I.P
I do agree, though, that this is once again a horrible trade. But if that's a reason for ya'll to stop playing KDF, you weren't worthy of the red UI anyway.
I'm still waiting for the all the whining once everyone Fedside who didn't skill into flow caps realizes they now need to buy a respec.
That little bit up there was exactly what came to my mind a little while ago, I can imagine a lot of profiteering off that console box...definitely isn't going to be 50k like the last one.
I can imagine outrageous prices for it since it is probably the most desired KDF console in the game. Millions definitely...maybe even tens or hundreds of millions for it. If people get really greedy I could imagine seeing the console box go for more than the ship itself lol.
ummm...consoles DID make each faction diverse.
we DID have different gear.
it's only a matter of time before we see fed B'rels at ESD.
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Next time will be Acetone, or it'll be on the list anyway for the future. Nothing is sacred now.
Roms can get bops, feds can get battle cruisers now with new lobi store ship and destroyer class ships muddying the differentiation. Pretty much flight-deck cruisers are the last solely KDF only ship class. Which just so happens to be the ship class type I love flying, hence why my main is kdf.
They didn't exactly do it because they love KDF either.
Tutorial - Something missing from day 1. That's catch up and just something that needed to be done
Level 1-20 content, again something they had to do to FINALLY catch KDF up so we're now on par.
2 New ships, yep they threw us a (small) bone there.
Revised story line, Again something that had to be done to bring KDF up to par with feds and roms and just to make the story line match up with the other 2 factions and the overall universe story.
Non red UI options, came about because they cbf doing a green version of the old ui for roms so rebuilt it from scratch to handle skins, which just so happens to allow non red ui on kdf faction.
Apart from the 2 new cstore ships, everything else done kdf side is just to bring them up to par or because the story or rom faction demanded it. They didn't necessarily do it because they love kdf (Im sure they do), but more because they had to for the LOR marketing bullet point sales pitch.
Having said that, I shall be enjoying the new KDF content all the same. And will (futily) be hoping for more KDF love in the future.
YOU'RE ALL HUMAN.
All this redside blue side nonsense is just that, nonsense.
In the meantime romulans have invaded both our home terrirtories.
Federation is the CORE faction. KDF is a SUB-Faction. Get Over It.
Nothing is sacred.
Nor has been for along time.
There was a single reason federation ships did not use Battle cloak or any other technology available to the other "factions"
That reason is gone now.
Everytime I fly into a cloud of theta radiation or a field of aceton assimilators or am pursued by a bio-neural warhead I remember why.
Stop crying that your kdf doesn't have an advantage over federation.
IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE.
Take back your theta and your leech, but throw away your Korath and your Attack Ship.
No self respectful Klingon would have ever flown in an enemy faction ship and the thought of time traveling Klingons is just ridiculous. you know it as well as I.
Stop your hypocritical QQing, man up 'n act like a Klingon shoud.
Oh wait, I forgot, like 98% of you ARE NOT EVEN KLINGON. you're alien.
SMH. Posers.
Dishonor upon you
Whatever it is being discussed here...: Cryptic DOES NOT care... (sadly enough... its a moneygrab and dont try and deny that... Even when you are a Lifetime or Gold...)
Nothing more to see here..., moving on...
I shall roll a romulan char because their ships are better than any kdf escort I flown untill today and I will need romulan ships to fight against federation chars.
My romulan will be Kdf affiliated because i don't like the treatment that Cryptic applies to kdf faction and being a kdf player or a kdf affiliated romulan it is the single way I feel right about that issue.
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
I cared once, but it was pretty obvious in the last few months that KDF's were going to get screwed over anyway so I kinda accepted that fact. I had fun in my BoP while it lasted.
There really is no point in going KDF Romulan now because the obvious advantages are all @ Fed Rommy now.
I kinda got sick of the constant 'no KDF in 5v5 private challenges' bullsh*t, KDF queues are cheese, etc. even without using p2w sh*t like aceton assimilators, siphon drones, plasmonic leech stacking drain bs.
Thats why im glad there now is battlecloak Fedside.
Also KDF ships have always been nerfed greatly compared to their KDF counterparts, its just time to let loose of KDF and move forward imo.