On the day that KDf get to level their characters from 1 to 50, someone posts the standard "PWE doesn't love KDF" whine. You can't make this stuff up.
lol Reminds me of a post I saw yesterday, saying that Cryptic is nickel and diming us for every piece of content in STO, a day before the game's first expansion that happens to be completely free of charge.
You must have missed the part where this was only done on the back of a new ROMULAN species expansion... which kind of undermines the point...
No matter how you want to phrase it, the decision was made to commit man-hours and financial resources to doing it. That's all that really matters.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
No matter how you want to phrase it, the decision was made to commit man-hours and financial resources to doing it. That's all that really matters.
Surely you must admit that pushing this particular KDF content out on the back of a brand new species/faction update is probably the worst way it could have been done though, from a perspective concerned with KDF interests, right?
Surely you must admit that pushing this particular KDF content out on the back of a brand new species/faction update is probably the worst way it could have been done though, from a perspective concerned with KDF interests, right?
No, not at all.
I have been listening to KDF players scream for new mission content for 3 years. I have seen KDF players begging just to be allowed to play Fed mission so they didn't need to PvP or grind. And now you finally got it and you want to complain that it didn't come with a KDF only fanfare?
It's true. No matter what really nice stuff people get, they're never satisfied. Welcome to the 21st century.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I have been listening to KDF players scream for new mission content for 3 years. I have seen KDF players begging just to be allowed to play Fed mission so they didn't need to PvP or grind. And now you finally got it and you want to complain that it didn't come with a KDF only fanfare?
It's true. No matter what really nice stuff people get, they're never satisfied. Welcome to the 21st century.
I'm not really interested in your biases, or straw men, and none of this addresses the point being made. I'd suggest seizing a sense of objectivity before clicking the reply button next time.
The point was not about any sort of exclusive KDF-only update to the game. If you honestly cannot see how releasing this entry-level KDF content within the LoR framework is largely counterproductive, then we probably don't have much more to discuss.
Obviously, entry-level KDF content along side being able to create a level 1 KDF character is a plus... but it could be argued this ought to have been the case all along. But when this is pushed to live on the back of the core content and purpose of an update such as LoR, the inclusion of the KDF content in question tends to be more akin to table scraps than anything else.
The point was not about any sort of exclusive KDF-only update to the game. If you honestly cannot see how releasing this entry-level KDF content within the LoR framework is largely counterproductive, then we probably don't have much more to discuss.
No. The point is that you don't understand that players will be coming back to this game because they heard about LoR. And many of those players will be KDFers who left in frustration years ago. And they'll come back and click on the game and see a KDF Faction choice that has full mission content available to them from level 1. And because that content is there, rather then only having full Fed and full Rom, they might be more inclined to give the game another chance.
More KDF content is better for the KDF, no matter if the content comes on the back of LoR or just comes in like Alpha did: without any fanfare at all.
And it doesn't matter what they should have done years ago or all along. You can't change the past. You can only change the present and hope for a better future.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
No. The point is that you don't understand that players will be coming back to this game because they heard about LoR. And many of those players will be KDFers who left in frustration years ago. And they'll come back and click on the game and see a KDF Faction choice that has full mission content available to them from level 1. And because that content is there, rather then only having full Fed and full Rom, they might be more inclined to give the game another chance.
More KDF content is better for the KDF, no matter if the content comes on the back of LoR or just comes in like Alpha did: without any fanfare at all.
And it doesn't matter what they should have done years ago or all along. You can't change the past. You can only change the present and hope for a better future.
gosh, you feddies are annoying. Would love to know how you all would have reacted if the situation was reversed.. dont bother answering, i wont read it.
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Your Javelin deals 125417 (89066) Disruptor Damage(Critical) to Tholian Recluse. > lol
gosh, you feddies are annoying. Would love to know how you all would have reacted if the situation was reversed.. dont bother answering, i wont read it.
I'll tell you a secret. Most of the Fed players couldn't care less about the Leech. The vast majority of Fed players don't PvP, and these players know you can blow through PvE Elite STFS with white gear, free ships, and virtually untrained Boffs with ease. To most Feds the Leech is just one more console they'll hardly ever use.
And what would have been really cool is if you'd have actually address the point of the post you quoted: That new KDF content is good for the KDF even if it comes with LoR.
And trust me, I'd happy see a KDF expansion if it quietly snuck in a dozen new Fed missions too. I wouldn't be bytching about how the Fed missions got there.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Actually, I was kind of wondering then the Wide Angle Quantum Torpedo launcher would become available to the KDF. Since they have already included the Bioneural Warhead in one of the console Reward Packs, it only makes sense that we'd see that soon as a balance of sorts. Has there been any mention of this coming, or am I being overly optimistic?
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Actually, I was kind of wondering then the Wide Angle Quantum Torpedo launcher would become available to the KDF. Since they have already included the Bioneural Warhead in one of the console Reward Packs, it only makes sense that we'd see that soon as a balance of sorts. Has there been any mention of this coming, or am I being overly optimistic?
The goal seems to be that every Lockbox has a cross-faction console deal. We never know what's coming with each Lockbox - nor do we know what Lockbox is coming after Tal Shiar.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Yer optimism is excessive-now that the last of the good stuff's been moved to cross-faction from the KDF side, the odds are strong that after this LB deal, consoles won't be it. Maybe a Fed B'Rel instead...but no more consoles-the Feds got all the ones they wanted.
it'll be a "Mirror Universe" B'Rel, of course, the Retro with the EBC and an additional tac slot, while the 'trade' will be a "Mirror Universe Light Cruiser" (aka Miranda) with base T0 stats...for balance, of course.
Well, that would be the balance most of the KDF whiners would deserve......
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butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Well, that would be the balance most of the KDF whiners would deserve......
I suggest if you and your buddies don't like how we act to just bugger off to the Fed forums and complain about us over there, You don't see us coming into your forum complaining about you guys now do you?
We have been given the short end of the stick again and instead of enjoying our pain you could at least show some sympathy, isn't the Federation supposed to me kind, understanding and have high morals? I guess a lot of you simply don't understand the vision Gene was trying to convey when he made Star Trek to begin with. A shame it fell on such deaf ears.
I am gald I am not the only one that can see this either, I'll quote Roach from earlier in this thread:
I thought the federation was comprised of good moral character and compasionate hearts for thier fellow sentients yet we have them descending like vultures in this and other threads to feast on the KDF's pain at feeling screwed again.
Guess both fanbases failed to live up to the ideals of thier fandom.
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
We have been given the short end of the stick again and instead of enjoying our pain you could at least show some sympathy, isn't the Federation supposed to me kind, understanding and have high morals? I guess a lot of you simply don't understand the vision Gene was trying to convey when he made Star Trek to begin with. A shame it fell on such deaf ears.
No one here needs to live up to a Federation or Klingon standard about anything. We're all just humans playing a game. Heck, Gene was the biggest capitalist of them all, so even he couldn't live up to the Federation standards of equality he so loved to cite. Gene got rich off of Trek while much of the cast of TOS spent years surviving on Sci-Fi con circuit appearance fees just to make a living - and many current Trek actors still do.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I suggest if you and your buddies don't like how we act to just bugger off to the Fed forums and complain about us over there, You don't see us coming into your forum complaining about you guys now do you?
We have been given the short end of the stick again and instead of enjoying our pain you could at least show some sympathy, isn't the Federation supposed to me kind, understanding and have high morals? I guess a lot of you simply don't understand the vision Gene was trying to convey when he made Star Trek to begin with. A shame it fell on such deaf ears.
I am gald I am not the only one that can see this either, I'll quote Roach from earlier in this thread:
Short end of the stick? Lol, you get all these nice consoles, cloaks & battle cloaks, etc etc, and YOU got the short end of the stick? Some people's children, I guess.....
Anyway, like I said in an earlier post, which no one apparently has seen, to those KDF'ers that enjoy being in that faction, and just enjoy themselves, imagining they're playing in that role, I hope they have a really great time, and get to have some fun, they deserve to. To the whiners & munchkins, in turn, you bugger off.
And "high morals" are one thing, to sit through nonsensical crying, and whining is just not in the cards for me. Man (or woman) up, play the game, and enjoy yourself...who knows, you MIGHT actually find you're having a good time....(the gods forfend)
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
I'd like to take a moment to point out that finally the KDF has full storyline content from level one making it a fully fleshed out faction, and instead of being glad that Cryptic finally delivered on their promise and gave the KDF something so much more important than a single console, most KDF players choose to whine and cry about the fact that Cryptic gave the Feds a single console.
You guys who can't stop crying, please don't ever stop. Keep crying and bawling and reminding every reasonable player that you're all spoiled self-entitled children with no sense of real fairness or perspective. Or you guys can quit. I hope you do, because the rest of the playerbase will be far happier to see the backs of you than you will be.
KDF: It really isn't the end of the world having the Feds get the Plasmonic Leech, even if the console we get in its place is of rather limited use. At least we finally get the 1-50, even if long overdue. Add to that a couple new ships and their consoles, and we do actually get something (though still far short of catching the Federation as far as variety of ship classes or specialized consoles).
Yes, we are getting the short end of the stick in the lock box, but that usually happens with the lock boxes. The KDF is the minority of the playerbase; the queues tell us this, and the behavior of the company reflects it. As a result of the proportionate purchasing power on the Fed side, and the company liking to get their money, the Fed side is far more likely to get what it asks for. Shortsighted if they actually want to maintain the whole 2 faction system, but predictable.
Fed: Really guys? The KDF does have valid concerns considering that there are supposed to be the 2 primary factions, with any new factions being designed as affiliate. Given that the we have had a full 3-pack for each ship class, with the appropriate 3-console sets, plus access to some of the best consoles in the game with little more than in-game currency, faster queues, access to cloaking devices, more missions, more species, better starbases (our greater playerbase and faster queues boost our rate of progression significantly), and usually twice as many Mirror ship variants in the lock boxes... I really think we can just let them voice their concerns in peace without getting into a griefer session.
Community Moderator: Would you mind deleting posts on both side of this that fit the definition of an ad hominem?
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
The only place feds have ever argued about leech has been these asinine 'omg feds are getting the leech/want the leech/we can't give it to them' threads.
I have not once in my entire tenure in this game, since season 3, seen a thread begging for leech on the fed side. In all that time it's always been KDF players whining about how 'all the feds want it'.
Well now the feds have it. I expect the lack of fed whining about it will continue, but maybe the klinks can finally stfu because gods be damned seriously you guys will not shut up.
So I went to the Exchange and bought a Plasmonic Leech console for about 2.7 million EC, there are already several for sale over there. For my build, this is a great fit since I now have 176 points in Flow Capacitors. Tooltip says my Plasmonic Leech drains 2.8 energy from all subs per activation. In theory, that should give 2.8 X 8 = 22.4 power drain on each subsystem though I am not sure if a cap would apply in my case or not since this is new to us. On my fleet's TS, nobody except me even cares about this console. I made a point of mentioning it, really, no reaction. The truth is very few Fed players utilizes drain skills. It's a niche "market" for a select number of players but a rather small minority based on my casual observation. It is likely more prevalent on the Klink side due to the presence of other energy drain tools such as the soon-to-be-nerfed (hopefully) Aceton Assimilators and siphon drones.
In any event, my vessel is now capable of inflicting up to 109 in power drain on two select subsystems simultaneously using ES3, Subsystem Targetting and PL. Even if my opponents specs heavily in Power Insulation, such massive drain will still cause havoc to the targeted systems, notably engines where escorts typically run no more than 50-70 in power as most is diverted to weapons. Yes, there is the Hazard Emitters but against my build, which uses a variety of weapons that causes very severe Plasma and Radiation damages if not cleared, I expect my opponents' HE will be completely overwhelmed trying to handle the DoT and trying to clear ES attacks one after the other.
Given that I didn't know about Plasmonic Leech until today, I want to thank the OP for starting this thread and educated me and many other Fed players who are part of this niche re: this nice gem that we shall now be using to pound Klingnons in battle.
The only place feds have ever argued about leech has been these asinine 'omg feds are getting the leech/want the leech/we can't give it to them' threads.
I have not once in my entire tenure in this game, since season 3, seen a thread begging for leech on the fed side. In all that time it's always been KDF players whining about how 'all the feds want it'.
Well now the feds have it. I expect the lack of fed whining about it will continue, but maybe the klinks can finally stfu because gods be damned seriously you guys will not shut up.
Remember last time it was mentioned it was "feds with leech and maco shield will be op"?
Honestly, none of my feds are even speced into energy drain. and I cant really think of a console to ditch on favor of leech on most of my fed builds (maybe an rcs on my oddy with the new turn rates but still not speced into it).
Without some flow caps leech does very little.
My klingons use it, one because its a polaron build and one becasue he is under equiped and I had it anyway.
Besides with the battle cloak about to be everywhere the anti cloak torp should become quite handy. Hmmm T'varo + T'varo set consoles + anti cloak torp + honor guard/adapted maco + rule 62 console = cloaked cloak killer.
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I guess when universal consoles came out they were faction specific then the whinning started saying its to good you have it , well you have this thats where the problem started now there have lost there uniqueness the had when they first designed them with the best and perfect intentions from the very beginning and it was lost too us all ? imagine pretty soon well all have same thing but certain elite fleet weapons and blue phasers and warp cores up the ying yang being different in 4 systems lol haha well all be having same ships with differ ship setups , it'll be like fighting our selfs lol soon enough, I'm wondering why when i'm klingon in kerat my fellow klingons are federation blue ? huh whats up with that ? its like your trying to slap us klingons smack in the face with ugly, and whats up with the pastel colors all over the place there is no consistent colors , and my power abilities in space you gave em each 2 colors so its a total of 9 pastel gross colors intsead of 2 colors easy to look at before ? my screen looks all femmy like a bowl fruit loops on drugs in a fabric store, what gives ?? my eyesare spazzing out who in there right mind would pick ugly colors for gameplay seems hella cool so far but I'm on my knee's begging you get you ugly spass colors off my red klingon screen i've played with for years and i dontb even wear 1 coilor the same toneas this game new colors or id get my &^%%^ beat and when i saw my own red blood I'd finally be happy again !!
The only place feds have ever argued about leech has been these asinine 'omg feds are getting the leech/want the leech/we can't give it to them' threads.
I have not once in my entire tenure in this game, since season 3, seen a thread begging for leech on the fed side. In all that time it's always been KDF players whining about how 'all the feds want it'.
Well now the feds have it. I expect the lack of fed whining about it will continue, but maybe the klinks can finally stfu because gods be damned seriously you guys will not shut up.
First link starts off mentioning the silence when maco and leech were combined for the kdf vs the roar when it might have happened for the fed. No not a request for leech
The second is asking about the balance of the leech (poorly) not asking that feds get it.
Granted I didnt read very far into the thread since they usualy end up as troll fests.
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You must have missed the part where this was only done on the back of a new ROMULAN species expansion... which kind of undermines the point...
Surely you must admit that pushing this particular KDF content out on the back of a brand new species/faction update is probably the worst way it could have been done though, from a perspective concerned with KDF interests, right?
I have been listening to KDF players scream for new mission content for 3 years. I have seen KDF players begging just to be allowed to play Fed mission so they didn't need to PvP or grind. And now you finally got it and you want to complain that it didn't come with a KDF only fanfare?
It's true. No matter what really nice stuff people get, they're never satisfied. Welcome to the 21st century.
I'm not really interested in your biases, or straw men, and none of this addresses the point being made. I'd suggest seizing a sense of objectivity before clicking the reply button next time.
The point was not about any sort of exclusive KDF-only update to the game. If you honestly cannot see how releasing this entry-level KDF content within the LoR framework is largely counterproductive, then we probably don't have much more to discuss.
Obviously, entry-level KDF content along side being able to create a level 1 KDF character is a plus... but it could be argued this ought to have been the case all along. But when this is pushed to live on the back of the core content and purpose of an update such as LoR, the inclusion of the KDF content in question tends to be more akin to table scraps than anything else.
More KDF content is better for the KDF, no matter if the content comes on the back of LoR or just comes in like Alpha did: without any fanfare at all.
And it doesn't matter what they should have done years ago or all along. You can't change the past. You can only change the present and hope for a better future.
gosh, you feddies are annoying. Would love to know how you all would have reacted if the situation was reversed.. dont bother answering, i wont read it.
Your Javelin deals 125417 (89066) Disruptor Damage(Critical) to Tholian Recluse. > lol
And what would have been really cool is if you'd have actually address the point of the post you quoted: That new KDF content is good for the KDF even if it comes with LoR.
And trust me, I'd happy see a KDF expansion if it quietly snuck in a dozen new Fed missions too. I wouldn't be bytching about how the Fed missions got there.
Well, that would be the balance most of the KDF whiners would deserve......
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
go ahead, have B'rel's. who the hell cares anymore
Your Javelin deals 125417 (89066) Disruptor Damage(Critical) to Tholian Recluse. > lol
I suggest if you and your buddies don't like how we act to just bugger off to the Fed forums and complain about us over there, You don't see us coming into your forum complaining about you guys now do you?
We have been given the short end of the stick again and instead of enjoying our pain you could at least show some sympathy, isn't the Federation supposed to me kind, understanding and have high morals? I guess a lot of you simply don't understand the vision Gene was trying to convey when he made Star Trek to begin with. A shame it fell on such deaf ears.
I am gald I am not the only one that can see this either, I'll quote Roach from earlier in this thread:
Oh wait, KDF thinks they are owed something.
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Short end of the stick? Lol, you get all these nice consoles, cloaks & battle cloaks, etc etc, and YOU got the short end of the stick? Some people's children, I guess.....
Anyway, like I said in an earlier post, which no one apparently has seen, to those KDF'ers that enjoy being in that faction, and just enjoy themselves, imagining they're playing in that role, I hope they have a really great time, and get to have some fun, they deserve to. To the whiners & munchkins, in turn, you bugger off.
And "high morals" are one thing, to sit through nonsensical crying, and whining is just not in the cards for me. Man (or woman) up, play the game, and enjoy yourself...who knows, you MIGHT actually find you're having a good time....(the gods forfend)
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
You guys who can't stop crying, please don't ever stop. Keep crying and bawling and reminding every reasonable player that you're all spoiled self-entitled children with no sense of real fairness or perspective. Or you guys can quit. I hope you do, because the rest of the playerbase will be far happier to see the backs of you than you will be.
KDF: It really isn't the end of the world having the Feds get the Plasmonic Leech, even if the console we get in its place is of rather limited use. At least we finally get the 1-50, even if long overdue. Add to that a couple new ships and their consoles, and we do actually get something (though still far short of catching the Federation as far as variety of ship classes or specialized consoles).
Yes, we are getting the short end of the stick in the lock box, but that usually happens with the lock boxes. The KDF is the minority of the playerbase; the queues tell us this, and the behavior of the company reflects it. As a result of the proportionate purchasing power on the Fed side, and the company liking to get their money, the Fed side is far more likely to get what it asks for. Shortsighted if they actually want to maintain the whole 2 faction system, but predictable.
Fed: Really guys? The KDF does have valid concerns considering that there are supposed to be the 2 primary factions, with any new factions being designed as affiliate. Given that the we have had a full 3-pack for each ship class, with the appropriate 3-console sets, plus access to some of the best consoles in the game with little more than in-game currency, faster queues, access to cloaking devices, more missions, more species, better starbases (our greater playerbase and faster queues boost our rate of progression significantly), and usually twice as many Mirror ship variants in the lock boxes... I really think we can just let them voice their concerns in peace without getting into a griefer session.
Community Moderator: Would you mind deleting posts on both side of this that fit the definition of an ad hominem?
The only place feds have ever argued about leech has been these asinine 'omg feds are getting the leech/want the leech/we can't give it to them' threads.
I have not once in my entire tenure in this game, since season 3, seen a thread begging for leech on the fed side. In all that time it's always been KDF players whining about how 'all the feds want it'.
Well now the feds have it. I expect the lack of fed whining about it will continue, but maybe the klinks can finally stfu because gods be damned seriously you guys will not shut up.
In any event, my vessel is now capable of inflicting up to 109 in power drain on two select subsystems simultaneously using ES3, Subsystem Targetting and PL. Even if my opponents specs heavily in Power Insulation, such massive drain will still cause havoc to the targeted systems, notably engines where escorts typically run no more than 50-70 in power as most is diverted to weapons. Yes, there is the Hazard Emitters but against my build, which uses a variety of weapons that causes very severe Plasma and Radiation damages if not cleared, I expect my opponents' HE will be completely overwhelmed trying to handle the DoT and trying to clear ES attacks one after the other.
Given that I didn't know about Plasmonic Leech until today, I want to thank the OP for starting this thread and educated me and many other Fed players who are part of this niche re: this nice gem that we shall now be using to pound Klingnons in battle.
Remember last time it was mentioned it was "feds with leech and maco shield will be op"?
Honestly, none of my feds are even speced into energy drain. and I cant really think of a console to ditch on favor of leech on most of my fed builds (maybe an rcs on my oddy with the new turn rates but still not speced into it).
Without some flow caps leech does very little.
My klingons use it, one because its a polaron build and one becasue he is under equiped and I had it anyway.
Besides with the battle cloak about to be everywhere the anti cloak torp should become quite handy. Hmmm T'varo + T'varo set consoles + anti cloak torp + honor guard/adapted maco + rule 62 console = cloaked cloak killer.
Not everything you see on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln
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There fixed that for you
Leech moan 1
Leech moan 2
First link starts off mentioning the silence when maco and leech were combined for the kdf vs the roar when it might have happened for the fed. No not a request for leech
The second is asking about the balance of the leech (poorly) not asking that feds get it.
Granted I didnt read very far into the thread since they usualy end up as troll fests.
Not everything you see on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln
Occidere populo et effercio confractus