It was pretty clear subtext in the early TOS episodes that Uhura had a thing for Spock, and that he may have reciprocated at some point. (And yes, that was purposeful, not just something a few of us read in - Nichelle Nichols has addressed the topic.) In the new timeline, with Vulcan destroyed, Spock may not have felt it necessary to refuse to acknowledge his feelings - particularly after his conversation with his father, about his parents' marriage. (Yes, boys and girls, there were entire scenes in that movie in which people had conversations, and nothing exploded. Try actually watching it sometime, instead of just turning it on and hating it because it's not TNG.)
Chekov's accent is what it was in the original, because Walter Koenig had no idea what Russian-accented English sounded like. I think Anton has taken a fan theory that Pavel's accent was at least as much speech impediment as accent. And he may not look his age, but it was established in dialog (there's that word again!) that Chekov was nineteen. He was older in TOS, in part because in the less-militarized culture of the main timeline there would have been no urgency to his joining the Fleet.
Sulu can't be "Japanese" - his name doesn't exist in Japanese. (The liquid "l" of English has no phonetic equivalent in Japanese.) Casting an ethnic Korean in the role is hardly being less accurate.
And yes, this whole conversation is nonsense; I'm not sure why I'm even participating. The new timeline is intriguing. The first movie in it was good. I've heard vague good things about the new one from people I trust (like Peter David, author of the New Frontiers tales among others, and Howard Tayler, author of Schlock Mercenary).
Kind of how I dislike that some of the nitpicks people have had with the JJ movies can be found the series and other movies.
If people don't like it then fine. I have no problem with that. But it people come up with complaints that happened in TOS then i question their point of view.
I agree partly, i can ignore nitpicks so long as its made up by the rest of the movie.
For instance, i found moments in Trek 09 and Khan and much of Trek moments but the quality of everything else is enough to suspend my disbelief. Most of my nitpicks for Trek come after the movie is over and i've thought about it alot. This was one of the first Trek movies (besides Final Frontier and the late TNG ones) where during it, I was like wait a second, what the heck?
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Sulu can't be "Japanese" - his name doesn't exist in Japanese. (The liquid "l" of English has no phonetic equivalent in Japanese.) Casting an ethnic Korean in the role is hardly being less accurate.
And yes, this whole conversation is nonsense; I'm not sure why I'm even participating. The new timeline is intriguing. The first movie in it was good. I've heard vague good things about the new one from people I trust (like Peter David, author of the New Frontiers tales among others, and Howard Tayler, author of Schlock Mercenary).
ex.
Hikaru Kawamura (born 1979), Japanese gravure idol
Hikaru Kotobuki (born 1964), Japanese electronic musician
Hikaru Koyama, member of Hinoi Team and LOVE&PEACE
Hikaru Midorikawa (born 1968), Japanese voice actor
Hikaru Nakamura (born 1987), American chess Grandmaster
Hikaru Nishida (born 1972), Japanese J-pop singer and actress
Hikaru Sato (born 1980), Japanese professional wrestler and mixed martial artist
Hikaru Shida (born 1988), Japanese professional wrestler and actress
Hikaru Utada (born 1983), Japanese-American singer
Hikaru Yaotome (born 1990), Japanese singer and songwriter
Hikaru is the family name. You could have named him Hikaru Robert, and he still would have been Japanese.
Japane in north east asia, isn't that far from the phillippines in south east asia. Blending peoples Perhaps Hikaru Sulu is from a mixed family, who's not to say there wasn't any korean in it.
You might be able to argue that the destruction of the Kelvin would prompt Starfleet to build bigger ships, but it's a LOOOOOONG stretch to make the case that Nero's actions would cause the Chekhovs to have a child 5-10 years sooner AND Sulu to become a ninja instead of a fencer AND to make Spock forget his Vulcan heritage (the defining attribute of the character, no less), and more besides.
I'm sorry, it's just really bad writing, with no attention to any details that might inconvenience their (weak) story.
this is just me spitballing and just making something up...Let's say Checkov's father had a friend on Kelvin...the death of his friend could make him look at life differently and instead of holding off to have that kid later he has it sooner.
when he is asked what kind of combat training he had, Sulu mentions fencing...perhaps thats what fencing looks like in the future
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This was one of the first Trek movies (besides Final Frontier and the late TNG ones) where during it, I was like wait a second, what the heck?
Really? When the Borg opened up a time portal to go back in time and stop Cochran in First Contact I almost walked out of the movie. I was like: "If they can travel through time why do they need to do it right next to Earth? Why not just do it 50 LYS from Earth and then just fly in and assimilate the whole population of Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, etc?
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SULU -- Ship's Helmsman, played by actor George Takei. Mixed
oriental in ancestry, Japanese predominating,
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The Spock/Uhura thing can be explained in a number of easy ways. It's completely possible that Nero would have impacted their hook-up.
Maybe in the original timeline, Uhura dated the same guy all through the academy, and maybe that person's father died when Nero attacked the Kelvin, meaning Nero's attack prevented that person from ever being born.
Because that son never existed, Uhura was single in the academy, which opened up a door for her and Spock to develop a relationship.
I'm not saying that's my theory. I'm just saying there are easily dozens of ways the destruction of the Kelvin could have impacted people's lives in ways they normally would never expect.
ex.
Hikaru Kawamura (born 1979), Japanese gravure idol
Hikaru Kotobuki (born 1964), Japanese electronic musician
Hikaru Koyama, member of Hinoi Team and LOVE&PEACE
Hikaru Midorikawa (born 1968), Japanese voice actor
Hikaru Nakamura (born 1987), American chess Grandmaster
Hikaru Nishida (born 1972), Japanese J-pop singer and actress
Hikaru Sato (born 1980), Japanese professional wrestler and mixed martial artist
Hikaru Shida (born 1988), Japanese professional wrestler and actress
Hikaru Utada (born 1983), Japanese-American singer
Hikaru Yaotome (born 1990), Japanese singer and songwriter
Hikaru is the family name. You could have named him Hikaru Robert, and he still would have been Japanese.
Japane in north east asia, isn't that far from the phillippines in south east asia. Blending peoples Perhaps Hikaru Sulu is from a mixed family, who's not to say there wasn't any korean in it.
Really? When the Borg opened up a time portal to go back in time and stop Cochran in First Contact I almost walked out of the movie. I was like: "If they can travel through time why do they need to do it right next to Earth? Why not just do it 50 LYS from Earth and then just fly in and assimilate the whole population of Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, etc?
It really didn't occur to me as i watched it, mostly because the rest of the film had me so engrossed and the overall product was so well done I just did not care.
Trek 09 felt the same way for me.
I did get a little preturbed afterwards before i remembered most uses of time travel in good Trek have been the result of accident or a random chance. I just figured something similar to the DS9 episode Past Tense where an unusual build up of chroniton particles allowed it.
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Really? When the Borg opened up a time portal to go back in time and stop Cochran in First Contact I almost walked out of the movie. I was like: "If they can travel through time why do they need to do it right next to Earth? Why not just do it 50 LYS from Earth and then just fly in and assimilate the whole population of Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, etc?
or a simple space probe attains sentience
or whale song reaching an alien race several lightyears away
...im sure we can think of others
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I mean, everyone has their opinion, but why do people think JJ ruined Star Trek?
First of all, I can't speak for anyone's opinion but my own. Second, you're right, no one can ruin Star Trek, for a number of reasons:
TOS is till great.
other Trek is still kind of mediocre.
Personally, I rate Abrams' Trek above TNG and its ilk, but below TOS. TNG suffers from fatal testosterone withdrawal, and Abrams suffers from a near-fatal overdose. TOS is the only Trek that actually strikes the right balance between brains and brawn, yin and yang. I'd rather have Kirk be a 14 year veteran of Star Fleet than an entitled delinquent prick up-jumped by luck and nepotism, but I'll take either Kirk over Captain Jean-Luc 'We Surrender' Picard.
First of all, I can't speak for anyone's opinion but my own. Second, you're right, no one can ruin Star Trek, for a number of reasons:
TOS is till great.
other Trek is still kind of mediocre.
Personally, I rate Abrams' Trek above TNG and its ilk, but below TOS. TNG suffers from fatal testosterone withdrawal, and Abrams suffers from a near-fatal overdose. TOS is the only Trek that actually strikes the right balance between brains and brawn, yin and yang. I'd rather have Kirk be a 14 year veteran of Star Fleet than an entitled delinquent prick up-jumped by luck and nepotism, but I'll take either Kirk over Captain Jean-Luc 'We Surrender' Picard.
I personally preferred Picard over Kirk tbh. Although I'm not sure if thats due to a sense of greater respect for patrick stewart as my lack of respect for william shatner. As far as the character of Kirk goes, if you were to ask his castmates, the man did 'steal' a lot of scenes/lines intended for his coworkers for his own gain.
What I loved about TNG over TOS, was that eventually... it became more about all the main characters and their development and backstories as opposed to two to three characters.
At the very least, we can all be glad none of the series went the way of Andromeda in it's later seasons when sorbo got the director's chair. Can you say Herculese in Space? Testostirone too much
Chekov shown as a teeny bopper with a stupid accent
Sulu is the wrong nationality and shown as a complete moron
Scotty treated as comic relief and wrong accent
kirk is brutal sexist JERK with Iq of a cheese sandwich
Spock is muirderous sex maniac who is sexually harrassing a student
Uhura is shown as a TRIBBLE
mc coy is shown as incompetent , negligent and criminal
pike is shown as insane
they kill billions of people for no reason
play fast and loose with canon
mount rapid fire cannons on enterprise
engineering is a pumping station
This has probably all been said before, but I had to say it anyway.
-I have no clue how you came to that conclusion... sure his accent is thick, but that doesn't make it fact that it's stupid
-So? Movies have unusual race decisions all the time... plus, he made ONE mistake, which EVERY human is capable of doing. And in case you didn't notice, this mistake SAVED the Enterprise from being massacred with the rest of the fleet.
-Nothing wrong with comic relief, and despite that, he still knows his way around engineering bits.
-The orginal Kirk was a womanizer, this one is just more upfront about it. And he's still a teenager, so course he's still arrogant and impulsive, but he was called 'the only GENIUS-LEVEL repeat offender in the Midwest' in the actual film.
-That is just absurd: Spock was only murderous ONCE, and that was AFTER Kirk emotionally compromised him. And sex maniac? Really? At most he was returning Uhura's affections, but he never started them
-She dates one non-human guy and she's a TRIBBLE? Riiiiight :rolleyes:
-Incompetent? He's the chief medical officer of the Enterprise. Negilgent? How? Criminal? Again, how in any way was he like that?
-Nero was insane from revenge, so of course there was no reason to do so, other than do the same to Spock
-Other than the Hobus supernova, and Spock/Nero 'disappearing' into the wormhole, this movie didn't TOUCH canon. It's an alternate universe/reality/whatever, existing beside the Prime timeline. And there's a precedent: many different timelines spawned when the Enterpries-D encountered that fissure in "Parallels". (Plus, they were never completely consistent with time-travel stories, even in canon)
-It's alternate reality, and Starfleet suddenly found themselves facing an immensely powerful ship with multiple-missile-spread weapons. Powerful single-shot beams clearly couldn't cut it against those, so they simply developed fast-firing weapons to counter it. They adapted based on their needs, and there is NOTHING wrong with that.
-Engineering is meant for function, not form. Compare the corridors themselves, whereas the rooms that are frequently visited (like transporter room and sickbay) are considerably polished. And at the top end of this, the bridge has the highest amount of 'form' available, as many encounters happen with ship-to-ship communication.
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I just got back from seeing into darkness. All i can say is,, it was a GREAT summer action movie, with some nice SFX work,,the obligatory one liners,, etc etc.. HOWEVER... My BIGGEST dissappointment is the story....
One of the reasons i was cautiously optimistic when Abrams took over Star Trek is because it was supposed to be billed as not just a " reboot" but a " reimagineing" of the one of the greatest scifi franchises ever ( my opinion,, just roll with me here) The first movie accomplished that about 85%... quite good actually... the biggest dissappointment in the second movie is they WENT THE WRONG DIRECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!! They took stories that had already been done,, characters that " trekkies" already new.. and just rehashed them with better special affects!!!
I dont truly blame JJ Abrams for what this movie is,, i blame the writers.. and ive been calling Lindelof and buddy HACKS since Transformers 2 !!!!!!!!! They cant write there way out of a paperbag!!!! And before anyone says " write your own screenplay,, bla bla bla." Ive done my fair share of writing.. short stories,, long stories,, and ya know what? I'm pretty horrible at it too,, which is why i stopped... but Lindelof SHOULD have stopped.. or at least he needs to TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT when he writes a movie....
ANyway,, im done. Star Trek: Into Darkness gets a B- from the Captain-of-Chaos .,... I will likely see it again,, and will buy it on blue-ray,, however i WONT ENJOY IT!
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Here's the thing: We're not the target audience for JJ's Trek reboot. It's meant to attract this generations 12-14 year olds to the property. So OF COURSE they're going to rehash old stories. They don't need to impress you, they need to impress some teenager who's never seen the Wrath of Khan.
No third JJ Trek film, JJ is leaving the series do to conflict between CBS and Paramount, he may not even touch it as a producer. Trek reboot may die at 2 films.
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My biggest gripe with the new films is Kirk. Kirk was described in his academy days (TOS) as a walking pile of books. He may have been a bit of a rogue and bent the rules, but he had respect for the chair and for Starfleet. He had respect period. He came from an unremarkable upbringing to become a remarkable captain. Yes, I guess you could say he cheated on the Kobyashi Maru test, however, he was rewarded for original thinking. Rewarded because he had the respect of his peers and superiors. He had the respect because he showed them that he was more than capable.
NuKirk had his father killed which turned him into an angry drunk and juvenile delinquent. Because if Hollywood taught us anything is that anyone who loses a parent becomes a delinquent. A talented delinquent that Pike does an Obi Wan Kenobi on and convinces him to join Starfleet. Of course, we never see Kirk actually study or work for it. He just sleeps around and uses a girl to help him cheat. He treats it like a joke and obviously no one thinks very highly of him. Until a string of events catapults him from cadet to the captain's chair of the Enterprise. The flagship of the Federation. But, hey he looked cool doing it.
My biggest gripe with the new films is Kirk. Kirk was described in his academy days (TOS) as a walking pile of books. He may have been a bit of a rogue and bent the rules, but he had respect for the chair and for Starfleet. He had respect period. He came from an unremarkable upbringing to become a remarkable captain. Yes, I guess you could say he cheated on the Kobyashi Maru test, however, he was rewarded for original thinking. Rewarded because he had the respect of his peers and superiors. He had the respect because he showed them that he was more than capable.
NuKirk had his father killed which turned him into an angry drunk and juvenile delinquent. Because if Hollywood taught us anything is that anyone who loses a parent becomes a delinquent. A talented delinquent that Pike does an Obi Wan Kenobi on and convinces him to join Starfleet. Of course, we never see Kirk actually study or work for it. He just sleeps around and uses a girl to help him cheat. He treats it like a joke and obviously no one thinks very highly of him. Until a string of events catapults him from cadet to the captain's chair of the Enterprise. The flagship of the Federation. But, hey he looked cool doing it.
Well, obviously this Kirk was gonna be different, so that's out of the way.
And we never see him do so onscreen: that doesn't mean he never did so. And besides, Prime Kirk became captain at age 29 roughly, which had plenty of time to learn discipline and respect and all that stuff. This Kirk, who's still mainly a teenager and acting like one, is thrust into this situation and does what he can with the situation.
I think he did well enough for his circumstances, personally. He's still impulsive and headstrong, of course, but events will conspire to break that (I think that was Into Darkness's whole point, more-or-less)
And as far as making him the Captain, Pike was confined to the wheelchair, and Starfleet probably didn't have too many replacements on hand due to the small fleet destruction earlier. Plus, if Kirk proves incompetent, they reduce him in rank and give the Enterprise to another captain. If he proves worthy, then great.
No one said it was a permanent command, just that it happened
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ppl talking about them being kids takes me back to 100th of SG1 where they do skits of various shows and one of them is doing them <them> but only as teenagers
Hikaru is the family name. You could have named him Hikaru Robert, and he still would have been Japanese.
Since Sulu was born in San Francisco, he could have been named Sulu and still be American.
Or he could have been named Leroy Jethro Gibbs. And he'd still be an American from San Francisco.
The whole point of Star Trek in the first place is to go beyond the rampant nationalism that is at the root of Solivax's strange obsession with Cho as Sulu. Thank god Sulu doesn't flirt with Pike in that scene, at least.
what i think about the first movie and the preview of the second is just that you can compare them to what was smoky and the bandit was and what fast and dangerous is today , it's just like if the old serie or movie that they made was true and what it became is realy out off this world, just as if they develope weapon the enterprise have way before they even made a starship lol, today movie are made whit a actor in front off a bleu wall and they make the movie behind him i think that they just go to far as for what a human can do is like they just have no limit just like iron man,what wil be movie in ten years they wil die 7 time in the same movie as for stunt they wil never mach the real thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6iksKTURlAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6iksKTURlA
I think JJ will go on to make 1 or 2 more Star Trek movies. I mean a lot of people go to see the movie and liked it. Both movies got good reviews. Again, maybe 1-3 more movies, but not really a TV series.
Me, personally is hoping Star Trek: Renegades works out.
And we never see him do so onscreen: that doesn't mean he never did so. And besides, Prime Kirk became captain at age 29 roughly, which had plenty of time to learn discipline and respect and all that stuff. This Kirk, who's still mainly a teenager and acting like one, is thrust into this situation and does what he can with the situation.
This Kirk went into the Academy at 22 (born 2233) and was made Captain of the Enterprise at 25 (2258).
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Chekov's accent is what it was in the original, because Walter Koenig had no idea what Russian-accented English sounded like. I think Anton has taken a fan theory that Pavel's accent was at least as much speech impediment as accent. And he may not look his age, but it was established in dialog (there's that word again!) that Chekov was nineteen. He was older in TOS, in part because in the less-militarized culture of the main timeline there would have been no urgency to his joining the Fleet.
Sulu can't be "Japanese" - his name doesn't exist in Japanese. (The liquid "l" of English has no phonetic equivalent in Japanese.) Casting an ethnic Korean in the role is hardly being less accurate.
And yes, this whole conversation is nonsense; I'm not sure why I'm even participating. The new timeline is intriguing. The first movie in it was good. I've heard vague good things about the new one from people I trust (like Peter David, author of the New Frontiers tales among others, and Howard Tayler, author of Schlock Mercenary).
I agree partly, i can ignore nitpicks so long as its made up by the rest of the movie.
For instance, i found
feelings are illogical and starfleet is illogical
Hikaru
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikaru
Japanese Word: to shine
ex.
Hikaru Kawamura (born 1979), Japanese gravure idol
Hikaru Kotobuki (born 1964), Japanese electronic musician
Hikaru Koyama, member of Hinoi Team and LOVE&PEACE
Hikaru Midorikawa (born 1968), Japanese voice actor
Hikaru Nakamura (born 1987), American chess Grandmaster
Hikaru Nishida (born 1972), Japanese J-pop singer and actress
Hikaru Sato (born 1980), Japanese professional wrestler and mixed martial artist
Hikaru Shida (born 1988), Japanese professional wrestler and actress
Hikaru Utada (born 1983), Japanese-American singer
Hikaru Yaotome (born 1990), Japanese singer and songwriter
Hikaru is the family name. You could have named him Hikaru Robert, and he still would have been Japanese.
This is kinda redic
ps Sulu, interestingly enough is an island in the Philippines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulu_%28disambiguation%29
hmm...
Japane in north east asia, isn't that far from the phillippines in south east asia. Blending peoples
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this is just me spitballing and just making something up...Let's say Checkov's father had a friend on Kelvin...the death of his friend could make him look at life differently and instead of holding off to have that kid later he has it sooner.
when he is asked what kind of combat training he had, Sulu mentions fencing...perhaps thats what fencing looks like in the future
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this is the writier's guide to TOS
SULU -- Ship's Helmsman, played by actor George Takei. Mixed
oriental in ancestry, Japanese predominating,
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Maybe in the original timeline, Uhura dated the same guy all through the academy, and maybe that person's father died when Nero attacked the Kelvin, meaning Nero's attack prevented that person from ever being born.
Because that son never existed, Uhura was single in the academy, which opened up a door for her and Spock to develop a relationship.
I'm not saying that's my theory. I'm just saying there are easily dozens of ways the destruction of the Kelvin could have impacted people's lives in ways they normally would never expect.
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It really didn't occur to me as i watched it, mostly because the rest of the film had me so engrossed and the overall product was so well done I just did not care.
Trek 09 felt the same way for me.
I did get a little preturbed afterwards before i remembered most uses of time travel in good Trek have been the result of accident or a random chance. I just figured something similar to the DS9 episode Past Tense where an unusual build up of chroniton particles allowed it.
nuff side......
system Lord Baal is dead
or a simple space probe attains sentience
or whale song reaching an alien race several lightyears away
...im sure we can think of others
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First of all, I can't speak for anyone's opinion but my own. Second, you're right, no one can ruin Star Trek, for a number of reasons:
TOS is till great.
other Trek is still kind of mediocre.
Personally, I rate Abrams' Trek above TNG and its ilk, but below TOS. TNG suffers from fatal testosterone withdrawal, and Abrams suffers from a near-fatal overdose. TOS is the only Trek that actually strikes the right balance between brains and brawn, yin and yang. I'd rather have Kirk be a 14 year veteran of Star Fleet than an entitled delinquent prick up-jumped by luck and nepotism, but I'll take either Kirk over Captain Jean-Luc 'We Surrender' Picard.
I personally preferred Picard over Kirk tbh. Although I'm not sure if thats due to a sense of greater respect for patrick stewart as my lack of respect for william shatner. As far as the character of Kirk goes, if you were to ask his castmates, the man did 'steal' a lot of scenes/lines intended for his coworkers for his own gain.
What I loved about TNG over TOS, was that eventually... it became more about all the main characters and their development and backstories as opposed to two to three characters.
At the very least, we can all be glad none of the series went the way of Andromeda in it's later seasons when sorbo got the director's chair. Can you say Herculese in Space? Testostirone too much
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-I have no clue how you came to that conclusion... sure his accent is thick, but that doesn't make it fact that it's stupid
-So? Movies have unusual race decisions all the time... plus, he made ONE mistake, which EVERY human is capable of doing. And in case you didn't notice, this mistake SAVED the Enterprise from being massacred with the rest of the fleet.
-Nothing wrong with comic relief, and despite that, he still knows his way around engineering bits.
-The orginal Kirk was a womanizer, this one is just more upfront about it. And he's still a teenager, so course he's still arrogant and impulsive, but he was called 'the only GENIUS-LEVEL repeat offender in the Midwest' in the actual film.
-That is just absurd: Spock was only murderous ONCE, and that was AFTER Kirk emotionally compromised him. And sex maniac? Really? At most he was returning Uhura's affections, but he never started them
-She dates one non-human guy and she's a TRIBBLE? Riiiiight :rolleyes:
-Incompetent? He's the chief medical officer of the Enterprise. Negilgent? How? Criminal? Again, how in any way was he like that?
-Nero was insane from revenge, so of course there was no reason to do so, other than do the same to Spock
-Other than the Hobus supernova, and Spock/Nero 'disappearing' into the wormhole, this movie didn't TOUCH canon. It's an alternate universe/reality/whatever, existing beside the Prime timeline. And there's a precedent: many different timelines spawned when the Enterpries-D encountered that fissure in "Parallels". (Plus, they were never completely consistent with time-travel stories, even in canon)
-It's alternate reality, and Starfleet suddenly found themselves facing an immensely powerful ship with multiple-missile-spread weapons. Powerful single-shot beams clearly couldn't cut it against those, so they simply developed fast-firing weapons to counter it. They adapted based on their needs, and there is NOTHING wrong with that.
-Engineering is meant for function, not form. Compare the corridors themselves, whereas the rooms that are frequently visited (like transporter room and sickbay) are considerably polished. And at the top end of this, the bridge has the highest amount of 'form' available, as many encounters happen with ship-to-ship communication.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I just got back from seeing into darkness. All i can say is,, it was a GREAT summer action movie, with some nice SFX work,,the obligatory one liners,, etc etc.. HOWEVER... My BIGGEST dissappointment is the story....
One of the reasons i was cautiously optimistic when Abrams took over Star Trek is because it was supposed to be billed as not just a " reboot" but a " reimagineing" of the one of the greatest scifi franchises ever ( my opinion,, just roll with me here) The first movie accomplished that about 85%... quite good actually... the biggest dissappointment in the second movie is they WENT THE WRONG DIRECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!! They took stories that had already been done,, characters that " trekkies" already new.. and just rehashed them with better special affects!!!
I dont truly blame JJ Abrams for what this movie is,, i blame the writers.. and ive been calling Lindelof and buddy HACKS since Transformers 2 !!!!!!!!! They cant write there way out of a paperbag!!!! And before anyone says " write your own screenplay,, bla bla bla." Ive done my fair share of writing.. short stories,, long stories,, and ya know what? I'm pretty horrible at it too,, which is why i stopped... but Lindelof SHOULD have stopped.. or at least he needs to TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT when he writes a movie....
ANyway,, im done. Star Trek: Into Darkness gets a B- from the Captain-of-Chaos .,... I will likely see it again,, and will buy it on blue-ray,, however i WONT ENJOY IT!
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NuKirk had his father killed which turned him into an angry drunk and juvenile delinquent. Because if Hollywood taught us anything is that anyone who loses a parent becomes a delinquent. A talented delinquent that Pike does an Obi Wan Kenobi on and convinces him to join Starfleet. Of course, we never see Kirk actually study or work for it. He just sleeps around and uses a girl to help him cheat. He treats it like a joke and obviously no one thinks very highly of him. Until a string of events catapults him from cadet to the captain's chair of the Enterprise. The flagship of the Federation. But, hey he looked cool doing it.
And we never see him do so onscreen: that doesn't mean he never did so. And besides, Prime Kirk became captain at age 29 roughly, which had plenty of time to learn discipline and respect and all that stuff. This Kirk, who's still mainly a teenager and acting like one, is thrust into this situation and does what he can with the situation.
I think he did well enough for his circumstances, personally. He's still impulsive and headstrong, of course, but events will conspire to break that (I think that was Into Darkness's whole point, more-or-less)
And as far as making him the Captain, Pike was confined to the wheelchair, and Starfleet probably didn't have too many replacements on hand due to the small fleet destruction earlier. Plus, if Kirk proves incompetent, they reduce him in rank and give the Enterprise to another captain. If he proves worthy, then great.
No one said it was a permanent command, just that it happened
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
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Since Sulu was born in San Francisco, he could have been named Sulu and still be American.
Or he could have been named Leroy Jethro Gibbs. And he'd still be an American from San Francisco.
The whole point of Star Trek in the first place is to go beyond the rampant nationalism that is at the root of Solivax's strange obsession with Cho as Sulu. Thank god Sulu doesn't flirt with Pike in that scene, at least.
Me, personally is hoping Star Trek: Renegades works out.
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