I don't think JJ ruined Trek, as the original work all remains, uncorrupted by his influence. I do think he's a mediocre, coat-tail-riding revisionist hack who gets more credit than he deserves, and find Trek09 irritating for the afore mentioned reasons. Under no circumstances will I be paying a penny to watch Into Darkness. I refuse to go to the cinema to watch it, refuse to buy it on DVD and will either wait for it to come on Sky, or just stream it off the net. Why? For the simple reason that given he created an entirely new alternate Trek universe, the fact that the best he can come up with is ripping off, er I mean 'making homage to' ( :rolleyes: ) what is widely regarded as probably the most iconic of the original Star Trek movies, rather than using that entire universe of creative possibilities, is a truly sorry state of affairs, and not something I am willing to pay to subject myself to.
when did Trekkies become so close minded...if you sat through Voyager and Enterprise the JJ movies arent going to kill you
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when did Trekkies become so close minded...if you sat through Voyager and Enterprise the JJ movies arent going to kill you
Enterprise is where I started feeling that Gene was rolling over in his grave by the end of its run. The '09 film rekindled the fun of the original, sucks I have to wait to see the second.
And it can't be both fast-paced and character-driven?
nope it has to be all two hours of sitting in the briefing room debating the prime directive.:rolleyes:
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well seeing the show where only a hour long your trolling failed
was talking about movies...not failed
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"Yes, the movie is set in an alternate universe, but it's one that has diverged because of a specific event: Nero's attack on the Kelvin. That is, this timeline would have unfolded exactly as we're familiar with, except for Nero's actions. That means that all things should have remained consistent with the original canon, unless it's reasonable that Nero's actions might have changed things.
For example, Nero's actions would definitely affect Kirk's life. However, it would not have had any effect on Spock's childhood, or the procreation of the Chekhov family. Nero's intervention in Kirk's life wouldn't have caused Spock to start snogging with Uhura. Chekhov would not have been a contemporary of Kirk or Sulu or Uhura, he was a good 5-10 years behind them, and Nero's intervention in Kirk's life would not have changed that."
ever hear the saying that a butterfly flapping it's wings in San Diego would cause a Tsunami in Japan...we dont know the full nature of how Nero's appearence affected the universe.
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lets talk about khan magic blood ............... lets talk about how spock don't need to kill him or his blood will not do but can put it in a tube and inject it in to a tib to bring it back to life sorry but they did not need khan alive
Agreed but we don't know what effect something like this would have on the timeline, it could have a ripple effect on everything that happened from that point on.KKHHHHAAAANNNNNNNNNNN..... you beat me to it.
You forgot a perturbed-looking Klingon standing in the corner of the room.
Every five minutes he reminds the crew he is a klingon warrior in which a random crew member must reply "You are a Star Fleet Officer"
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I really dislike the argument that those who don't like the film because its too flashy will only be happy with a two hour talkfest.
Please see Iron Man 1, a perfect example of balance in movies. Into Darkness could have been just as much of a fun thrillride and pulled in great story and character development. But, it was rushed and honestly kinda felt more like a side project of Abrams, which is the problem. It should be more than just a "Oh yeah, probably should get on that now" kind of thing.
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I really dislike the argument that those who don't like the film because its too flashy will only be happy with a two hour talkfest.
Kind of how I dislike that some of the nitpicks people have had with the JJ movies can be found the series and other movies.
If people don't like it then fine. I have no problem with that. But it people come up with complaints that happened in TOS then i question their point of view.
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it was rushed and honestly kinda felt more like a side project of Abrams, which is the problem. It should be more than just a "Oh yeah, probably should get on that now" kind of thing.
that because he now gets to do what he always wanted Star Wars star trek was for only the money never ment to be nothing then a 3 movie package deal
that because he now gets to do what he always wanted Star Wars star trek was for only the money never ment to be nothing then a 3 movie package deal
he didnt get Star Wars until way after this movie was done
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Let's talk about magic insta-planet device that can also somehow revive dead people even though it was stated (by the soon to be revived, no less), that it destroys any organic matter that came before.
............... lets talk about how spock don't need to kill him or his blood will not do but can put it in a tube and inject it in to a tib to bring it back to life sorry but they did not need khan alive
that because he now gets to do what he always wanted Star Wars star trek was for only the money never ment to be nothing then a 3 movie package deal
Every big movie is only for the money. If you want movies that are important to the creators then you'll need to focus on small-budget indy flicks. Big summer movies are about making big summer money so the studios can afford to make a few smaller movies that flop.
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Now, now. If you play STO you know killing is not wrong.
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EVERY character is treated as a spoof version and basically a 90210 version of themself
its a alternate universe....
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And each of the actors was allowed to pick a trait from the original cast and play them as they interpreted them.
Lifeforms.... you precious little lifeforms.... where are you?? I just love scanning for lifeforms..
Revenge is a dish best served cold... it's very cold in space..
Still, when Nero came in, it changed the timeline, still making it a alternate universe...
Enterprise is where I started feeling that Gene was rolling over in his grave by the end of its run. The '09 film rekindled the fun of the original, sucks I have to wait to see the second.
Lifeforms.... you precious little lifeforms.... where are you?? I just love scanning for lifeforms..
Revenge is a dish best served cold... it's very cold in space..
real star trek in none of the above
system Lord Baal is dead
Lifeforms.... you precious little lifeforms.... where are you?? I just love scanning for lifeforms..
Revenge is a dish best served cold... it's very cold in space..
nope it has to be all two hours of sitting in the briefing room debating the prime directive.:rolleyes:
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well seeing the show where only a hour long your trolling failed
only thing makes this movie remotely star trek is in names only
system Lord Baal is dead
the shows not a hour long its 40-50 min. had to say that...
was talking about movies...not failed
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
You forgot a perturbed-looking Klingon standing in the corner of the room.
Lifeforms.... you precious little lifeforms.... where are you?? I just love scanning for lifeforms..
Revenge is a dish best served cold... it's very cold in space..
I was talking watching them on TV not DVD and when you add commercials how long dose it come to?
system Lord Baal is dead
ever hear the saying that a butterfly flapping it's wings in San Diego would cause a Tsunami in Japan...we dont know the full nature of how Nero's appearence affected the universe.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
system Lord Baal is dead
Lifeforms.... you precious little lifeforms.... where are you?? I just love scanning for lifeforms..
Revenge is a dish best served cold... it's very cold in space..
Every five minutes he reminds the crew he is a klingon warrior in which a random crew member must reply "You are a Star Fleet Officer"
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Please see Iron Man 1, a perfect example of balance in movies. Into Darkness could have been just as much of a fun thrillride and pulled in great story and character development. But, it was rushed and honestly kinda felt more like a side project of Abrams, which is the problem. It should be more than just a "Oh yeah, probably should get on that now" kind of thing.
Kind of how I dislike that some of the nitpicks people have had with the JJ movies can be found the series and other movies.
If people don't like it then fine. I have no problem with that. But it people come up with complaints that happened in TOS then i question their point of view.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
that because he now gets to do what he always wanted Star Wars star trek was for only the money never ment to be nothing then a 3 movie package deal
system Lord Baal is dead
he didnt get Star Wars until way after this movie was done
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Let's talk about how killing is wrong.