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Why do people think JJ ruined Star Trek?
startrek1234567
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I mean, everyone has their opinion, but why do people think JJ ruined Star Trek?
The original Star Trek is still out there, he did not touch the original Star Trek at all.
His movies are just a alternate universe Star Trek. They basically have nothing to do with the original Star Trek. For example, in the recent movie Into Darkness *SPOILERS, IF YOU DONT LIKE SPOILERS SKIP PAST THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH*
In Into Darkness, Khan was a young guy like first seen in "space seed", but he was not put on to a random planet like in the original series, so that makes JJ's Star Trek a completely new "type" of Star Trek or, again a alternate universe that is nothing like the original story line. JJ has done nothing to damage the original time line.
*SPOILER ENDS HERE*
if you dont like the new Star Trek movies, that is completely fine, everyone has their opinion. All im saying is, is that i don't understand how JJ ruined Star Trek.
Also, with the new Enterprise, The original enterprise(one from TOS) looks really old and should not really be used in new Star Trek films. Today, movie makers want to take advantage of special effects, and using special effects with the TOS Enterprise would be VERY hard. They did the same with the movie Prometheus, because the original ship in the fist movie of the series Alien would look really old in the movie.
With the new crew, i do not like them as much as the original actors, but the original actors are getting old(in age), both William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are 82, and the original actor for Bones is even dead, so in the new Star Trek films it was good to have new actors(but i still like the original ones better).
Opinions on the new films are welcome, i would prefer there not be insults, as this thread is my opinion, and i will happily respect yours if you will respect mine.
Thank you for reading.
Edit:The original Star Trek story line has not been wiped out yet, Star Trek Renegades could happen...
The original Star Trek is still out there, he did not touch the original Star Trek at all.
His movies are just a alternate universe Star Trek. They basically have nothing to do with the original Star Trek. For example, in the recent movie Into Darkness *SPOILERS, IF YOU DONT LIKE SPOILERS SKIP PAST THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH*
In Into Darkness, Khan was a young guy like first seen in "space seed", but he was not put on to a random planet like in the original series, so that makes JJ's Star Trek a completely new "type" of Star Trek or, again a alternate universe that is nothing like the original story line. JJ has done nothing to damage the original time line.
*SPOILER ENDS HERE*
if you dont like the new Star Trek movies, that is completely fine, everyone has their opinion. All im saying is, is that i don't understand how JJ ruined Star Trek.
Also, with the new Enterprise, The original enterprise(one from TOS) looks really old and should not really be used in new Star Trek films. Today, movie makers want to take advantage of special effects, and using special effects with the TOS Enterprise would be VERY hard. They did the same with the movie Prometheus, because the original ship in the fist movie of the series Alien would look really old in the movie.
With the new crew, i do not like them as much as the original actors, but the original actors are getting old(in age), both William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are 82, and the original actor for Bones is even dead, so in the new Star Trek films it was good to have new actors(but i still like the original ones better).
Opinions on the new films are welcome, i would prefer there not be insults, as this thread is my opinion, and i will happily respect yours if you will respect mine.
Thank you for reading.
Edit:The original Star Trek story line has not been wiped out yet, Star Trek Renegades could happen...
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I was completely onboard after Trek 09 with new, but new quality Trek.
IE: Iron Man was a phenomenally paced, acted, directed, and special effects heavy film that also had deep, fascinating character development in both the hero and villain.
Some, myself included after seeing Into Darkness, are disappointed in 2 hour long effects reels with bare bones plot and development.
I thought the plot was interesting my self, kinda had a twist toward the end, but yeah, i agree there were a lot more special effects than story, hopefully 3rd Star Trek will have a deeper story.
The first Iron Man matches what you just said. The last two don't.
SPOILER
Extremis was far more complex in the original comic book source material. And the whole point of what he was being boiled down to a fist fight between his fiery self and Tony Stark running a dozen suits of armor via remote control pisses all over the very point of Iron Man as a hero.
Havent seen the 3rd on yet, my comment was about the movie titled Iron Man, not the vapid sequels.
I found the plot bland, and the twists completely unsurprising.
It felt most like the writers hadn't come up with anything beyond a vague outline until the night before it was to be turned in and upon catching a rerun of Wrath of Khan just grabbed a bit out of it and wrote some generic stuff to fill the rest.
Honestly, the prequel comic book was far more interesting to me and I sped read it in about 15 minutes the afternoon before seeing Into Darkness.
My biggest gripe is the loss of what film it could have been. Free of the shackles of canon and with fresh blood, it should have been much more unique.
Sulu is the wrong nationality and shown as a complete moron
Scotty treated as comic relief and wrong accent
kirk is brutal sexist JERK with Iq of a cheese sandwich
Spock is muirderous sex maniac who is sexually harrassing a student
Uhura is shown as a TRIBBLE
mc coy is shown as incompetent , negligent and criminal
pike is shown as insane
they kill billions of people for no reason
play fast and loose with canon
mount rapid fire cannons on enterprise
engineering is a pumping station
You mind qualifying that statement? What about his accent is wrong?
Right, because the original and post refit 1701 armament isn't "rapid fire cannons".
Beam arrays (blue) and photon torpedoes
the cannons are non cannon and are shown being loaded with SHELLS
Wasn't Chekov added to TOS because the producers wanted a teeny bopper to help draw in the Beatles/Monkees crowd?
And the accent is identical to the original accent.
I really don't understand this complaint in regards to the new movie. What you described is exactly what the original Chekov was designed to be.
logically the only thing ANY vulcan can do for 20 generations is reproduce
Those that were weaned on the Next Generation have a skewed view of Star Trek and believe theirs is the right one.
JJ Trek is basically TOS, so without a dowdy old professor and boring meetings they feel lost.
I am greatly saddened by this and encourage all the Genners to watch the remastered TOS episodes to get an idea of what real Star Trek is. Of course that may ruin Next Gen for them.
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STO is heavily influenced by Next Gen so this is understandable.
Please explain.
this accent is a deliberately Silly fake
this chekov is not old enough to graduate
he is wesley for the next generation and he sounds Wrong
Chekov was brought in because they needed a man in his Mid twenties not a 14 year old
as to no one scottish accent
simon peg is doing northern english with an edge of yiddish
no scot sounds like that
also why is an alien from star wars working with him??
there is a lot of blind rage in this post.
This is from TOS writier's guide:
SULU -- Ship's Helmsman, played by actor George Takei. Mixed
oriental in ancestry, Japanese predominating, Sulu is contemporary
American in speech and manner.
How is Uhura a TRIBBLE??? TRIBBLE: term applied to an individual who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous....she seems to be in a committed relationship with Spock...i don't see how that makes her a TRIBBLE???
most of the other complaints are also silly....
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nope
yes he is not a Korean stoner who can't fly a ship
who for example trades secual favours for promotion
pupil teacher
its illegal
only to jj
Ah. Nice. The first Iron Man film is one of my favorite super hero films of all time. They really captured the essence of over 250 issues of the comic in a sparkling script with an amazing set of performances by the actors involved.
Hell of a film.
The enemies were hostile. You don't make friends with them, you do your duty.
The above multi quote post displays a lack of this discipline. Find some, it will serve you well.
To be fair, Patrick Stewart is also the wrong nationality for Jean Luc Picard. That never caused an issue in TNG.
You're going to have to clarify. NOTHING Uhura does in either film is TRIBBLE. Especially since you just accused Spock of sexual harassment, and now you call Uhura a TRIBBLE. Which is it?
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I love Star Trek, but I'm not blind to just how tremendously and fundamentally flawed the entire canon assemblage is. Really, JJ didn't ruin Trek. He just shined a big old movie-screen sized light on the vapid stupidity that was already present. It was ruined before he got ahold of it.
the Picards seem to be half English but thats not the point
Sulu is Japanese
Koreans are not Japanese and making out they are insults both peoples
and a girl who "puts out" for grades is a TRIBBLE
A man who gives out the grades is actually a criminal (breach of regulations is the least of it)
No student at the academy is allowed to have a relationship with an instructor Ever
and also spock is clearly much much older and a different species
its a bit like me dating a small kitten
Was that a deleted scene? I saw no sexual favors traded at all in the film. And I've seen it a dozen times since it came out.
exactly...people cling to cannon like its some safety blanket...the keepers of said cannon changed Klingons with no explanation...we didnt get an official explanation until Enterprise. Same thing with Romulans...the things most people hate the new movies for were evident in the old movies
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
That IS the point. Picard was written to be french. Stewart got the role because even against Roddenberry's misgivings he was THAT GOOD.
Sulu was born in San Francisco. He's American.
She didn't put out anything. You must have seen a totally different movie than I did. I actually want to see the one you saw. Sounds way more fun even if that scene has lens flares in it!
There's this other movie franchise, called Twilight ...
This is not a good description of the characters, scotty had the right accent(why does the accent matter anyway, i really just go for the quality of the character, not what his accent is)
Uhura is in no way a TRIBBLE, explain in more detail of why you think she is.
Spock, a sex maniac. He is definitely not that. What student?
McCoy, a criminal, how?
Pike. insane?, he seemed pretty sane to me, had some wise words at beginning of movie too.
Kirk, i can see where your coming from sorta.
Sulu seemed alright to me.