When activision lost the rights to make Trek games should all designs default to CBS? I would think so. Sp thje may yet appear. there was some good designs from Armada 2 and SFC 3
if it was taken from the shows or films then that's down to cbs. if it was freshly made for that game, it could be down to the game creators or the individual artist. if it was individual artist. then maybe they can be approached to use their art work again if cbs ok'd it?
I agree there is some nice designs in some of game from the past. but cryptic seem to be doing a pretty good job on the ship art for the romulans
The Deridex will no doubt be more sluggish than a Galaxy; it stands to reason. It's a larger and more sluggish ship. It's suppose to be twice the length for starters.
You can always load out a Deridex with Turrets. You'd have a constant 360-degree firing arc. Granted turrets aren't immensely effective, but it's unlikely anyone will be shooting you down as you'll have the hull capacity to take one hell of a beating (more so than a Federation/Klingon Cruiser).
Throw a fore & aft Plasma Torp on for good measure (and when the fool accidentally flies in front of you) and you are good to go.
Aye. I do hope that the D'deridex that is launched is the equivalency of the Recluse
if it was taken from the shows or films then that's down to cbs. if it was freshly made for that game, it could be down to the game creators or the individual artist. if it was individual artist. then maybe they can be approached to use their art work again if cbs ok'd it?
I agree there is some nice designs in some of game from the past. but cryptic seem to be doing a pretty good job on the ship art for the romulans
I think that cryptic is doing a pretty good job with the new faction rollout, considering the state of the Romulans when STO launched. I also usually enjoy most of the Cryptic ships, but I've seen the design concept art for some of the proposed Romulan ships and I'm not so thrilled. It's a personal opinion, but the ship aesthetics has a more Reman/Spider-Creaturish feel that isn't really in Romulan fashion. It's the same for the new rep system items. The new guns and turrets look super cool, but there's an organic, spider like quality that isn't really Romulan. I don't know if these new designs are new/JJ trek inspirations or not, but I'm waiting to see what the devs release and hope that some of the new ships keep those iconic Romulan stylings that make the D'Deridex and Valdore class Warbirds the memorable ships that they are.
I think that cryptic is doing a pretty good job with the new faction rollout, considering the state of the Romulans when STO launched. I also usually enjoy most of the Cryptic ships, but I've seen the design concept art for some of the proposed Romulan ships and I'm not so thrilled. It's a personal opinion, but the ship aesthetics has a more Reman/Spider-Creaturish feel that isn't really in Romulan fashion. It's the same for the new rep system items. The new guns and turrets look super cool, but there's an organic, spider like quality that isn't really Romulan. I don't know if these new designs are new/JJ trek inspirations or not, but I'm waiting to see what the devs release and hope that some of the new ships keep those iconic Romulan stylings that make the D'Deridex and Valdore class Warbirds the memorable ships that they are.
Sadly we have the branchild of the Narada to thanks for that ghastly approach....
I'm wondering if we'll be getting any Reman starships as well? Maybe the Ha'apax is the proper Romulan counterpart to the Scimitar?
Oh & what happened to the awesome concept from the teaser site? Is that an alternate skin for a Mogai?
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The Ha'apax may be called Romulan, but its definitely a Reman design. It's bat-like, spindly with fronds sticking off the front and its garish. It's definitely a Reman design. How Scimitar-esque does it have to be to convey A Reman design ethos? Anyone who has spent more than a decade as a Romulan fan knows what is and is not a Romulan design. Excepting some Romulan design influence the aforementioned ship is certainly a bit more of the Reman spice. Unlock a Reman toon and put Reman boffs and it'll be a Reman Warship.
EDIT: Actually made a mistake here. The Ha'apax is the Romulan-ish Warbird with the asymmetrical nose-end (design could easily be seen as Romulan but the curves need less lines and angles) its an undisclosed Warbird from screencaps that looks like a stolen Reman ship. If you're looking for Reman ships that would be the one I would look to.
LOL at the reference to the D'Deredix having firepower equivalent to a Galaxy-class. That's not something to boast about in STO:P
The Science ship (an upscaled redress of the Shuttle) which appeared in the episode where Geordi/Ro got phase cloaked, would be a very good addition, maybe as a C-Store vessel for the Roms to give them a Science ship.
Given the more limited number of canon ships available for the Romulans, I'd like to see Cryptic innovate and see what their design team can come up with to pad out the roster a bit more.
The episode was "The Next Phase" and it wasn't a redress of the shuttle it was actually a modified version of the Romulan scout ship. We have seen neither mentioned for the new faction release-so far.
In the Titan novels, the class is called Mogai. Norexum is from some other novel. Neither are canon, but Mogai is the one Cryptic chose to go with.
I've read neither set of novels so I'm not certain if the Mogai(mogwai) or the Norexan class ships refer to classes of Warbirds or what. In the game these are called escorts, but if these are suppose to reference the same ship as the IRW Valdore then it was never intended to be an escort, but was in fact the most up to date Warbird seen on screen.
What do you mean "fluffly flavor text"? How could they justify DD with better turn rate and firepower than Galaxy ? Maybe they actually need release this horrible DD, so the forums explode and they finally realize that low turn rate makes ships extremely unfun.
I honestly believe when the ships are being developed the devs misunderstand how the D'Deridex is slower than a Galaxy class starship, in canon. It isn't that the design necessarily has a slower turn rate- in fact it was perfectly capable of running down a much more agile Romulan scout ship in the episode "Defector".
But in canon the D'Deridex is slower than a Galaxy class in overall warp speed. A Warbird pushed to warp 9.6 over taxes the engine design and causes irreparable damage. Somehow this translates into slower FTL speed and less combat maneuverable.
So Romulans are getting ships that cloak and don't turn well. Why is everyone surprised? Its good news that Cryptic has a theme for the pseudo factions ships. If you didn't see lack of ships coming when they announced the alliance system, well I just don't know what to say.
What I want is more details on the
1)Singularity Core
2)Romulan cloak being the same as KDF cloak or different
3)weapons for Romulans.
No one seems to notice that in game Romulan reputation system hands out plasma energy weapons, yet the blog clearly states that Romulans use disruptors and plasma weaponry. The current Romulan 3 piece set is subpar. I'm still holding out hope that Romulans can use much improved plasma torpedos, because immersion kinda requires that Romulans dont decloak and hit people with quantums or cannons. A decloaking beam boat is laughable and with global torp CD, how is anyone going to fear Warbirds without cannons.
To be correct, disrupt or cannons are very much a canon weapon on Warbirds of both on screen classes. They were used often on the D'Deridex(which also has a forward disrupt or beam) and they were shown as the exclusive weapon used by the Valdore at the battle of Bassen Rift.
Well, they seem to definitely keep the playable D'deridex in line with he NPC critter one in the ponderous ship that slows its target down to its speed and then mercilessly pummels it with volleys of plasma firepower.
In a way, due to the critter using cloak so very little, that might be how they felt the D'deridex currently represented in-game and they're just sticking to it.
Also, having just watched "Defector", the warbird was pacing its pursuit of the scoutship - apparently, it was supposed to be 'even faster' if it had truly wanted to catch up.
Are Warbird cloaking devices going to be superior to Klingon cloaking devices? I mean, will it be harder (but not impossible) to detect their ships while cloaked? If the D'deridex-class are to turn slower than a Galaxy-class, then I hope Cryptic is making the Romulan play style more cloak dependent using their superior firepower, otherwise we'll just have a rehash of the other factions, and slow turning ships are really a joy killer in "hold your ground" or "hit and run" gameplay.
Romulan ships on the other hand had a lot of issues, the only argument they bring up is the Scimitar but ignore the D'deridex, also the Defiant that was equipped with a romulan cloaking device could not even use its transporter without decloaking.
I wasn't actually asking for the ability to fire while cloaked, however wouldn't a number of features of the Scimitar's cloak, accounting for advancements, now be standard amongst Romulan vessels by 2409?
... I've seen the design concept art for some of the proposed Romulan ships and I'm not so thrilled. It's a personal opinion, but the ship aesthetics has a more Reman/Spider-Creaturish feel that isn't really in Romulan fashion. It's the same for the new rep system items. The new guns and turrets look super cool, but there's an organic, spider like quality that isn't really Romulan. I don't know if these new designs are new/JJ trek inspirations or not, but I'm waiting to see what the devs release and hope that some of the new ships keep those iconic Romulan stylings that make the D'Deridex and Valdore class Warbirds the memorable ships that they are.
I agree. I don't like the new designs. Mogai and D'deridex are so slender and elegant, the two new ships in this blog look "heavy" instead. I don't know what was the inspiration, but it doesn't seem like it was any of the ships I mentioned.
Another thing that bothers me is the front part that I would call "head". Unlike the mogai, D'deridex and romulan shuttle/science ship those new warbirds don't have a "beak". This part was very characteristic for romulan ships, instead the Dhelan, has a mantis head, and the Ha?apax looks more like a bat. Worse, the Ha?apax looks like two bats in a mating ritual (I'm not trying to be funny, this really was my first impression).
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I wasn't actually asking for the ability to fire while cloaked, however wouldn't a number of features of the Scimitar's cloak, accounting for advancements, now be standard amongst Romulan vessels by 2409?
I agree, the Klingons may have been pioneers in combat cloak features, but Romulans were the creators and it's perfecters. When the scimitar debuted, it had a perfect cloak with no technical weaknesses that could fire as well. This was in modern trek, when sensors and what not were far superior to STTUC. Romulans should definitely be getting battle cloaks, with stronger stealth numbers as well.
I agree. I don't like the new designs. Mogai and D'deridex are so slender and elegant, the two new ships in this blog look "heavy" instead. I don't know what was the inspiration, but it doesn't seem like it was any of the ships I mentioned.
Another thing that bothers me is the front part that I would call "head". Unlike the mogai, D'deridex and romulan shuttle/science ship those new warbirds don't have a "beak". This part was very characteristic for romulan ships, instead the Dhelan, has a mantis head, and the Ha?apax looks more like a bat. Worse, the Ha?apax looks like two bats in a mating ritual (I'm not trying to be funny, this really was my first impression).
Yes, I have basic agreement with you. I don't, however, want to completely discourage the devs since the general design layout gets really close. It just seems like the designer is trying too hard or going for ?ber Rimulan. The Narada and NuTrek styles from the crab/arachnid background aren't classic Romulan designs. They should be simple, sleek and somewhat Art Deco.
When activision lost the rights to make Trek games should all designs default to CBS? I would think so. Sp thje may yet appear. there was some good designs from Armada 2 and SFC 3
Short answer; No.
The designs Activision made are derivative works, and (provided they meet the criteria to be copyrightable) the copyright belongs to the creator of the derivative work (Activision), not the underlying work (Star Trek and CBS).
Same holds true for STO, the design of the Ha?apax warbird is a derivative work, and the copyright goes to Cryptic/PWE not CBS.
The licence Activision were given, allowed them to use their derivative works in a commercial venture (read, make money from), along with using the Star Trek name/brand. Activision will have either been charged a one-time fee, or more likely, paid royalties to CBS.
Licences generally don't include transfer of ownership or leasing of copyright 'up' to the holder of the underlying work. Underlying works holders rarely 'buy up' derivative works, as it can be costly and their future use may be limited.
When Activision lost the licence, all they lost was the ability to use their derivative works in a commercial way and the use of the Star Trek brand. They still own the copyrights to those works, and could continue developing derivatives (but if they can't profit from them, why would they?)
This is generally how copyright works. Activision/CBS may have had additional agreements in place, but it's highly unlikely CBS hold the copyright to Activisions derivatives. If they did, they could allow Cryptic use of to them.
Its different subject, there will always be some method to detect the cloak, also you are talking about the DS9 station detecting not ships but emissions or distortions and any Starbase is likely better equipped with sensors that Starships.
Doesnt change the fact only the D12 was mentioned to have a flaw and a flaw that was used to active the cloaking device, the D'deridex traveling over warp 6 cloaked would have a higher risk of being detected, no such issues were every brought about Klingon ships.
Also DS9 detected BOTH the joint Tal'shiar/Obsidian Order fleet and the Klingon Fleet, not as ships but still this shows Romulans didnt had a perfect cloak or had superior cloaks over the Klingons, in fact the Klingon cloaking devices managed to even be lighter that the Romulan ones according to Rom.
This are simply what was mentioned, there is no evidence Romulan cloaking devices are better outside the Scimitar but we also had Chang Bird-of-Prey that did not lead to Klingon ships being able to fire torpedoes under cloak.
The klingon cloaking devices had a deadly flaw before TNG as shown in STVI. They weren't always supposedly invincible like you said.
The important thing is that Romulans had the best cloak we ever saw. They had the first cloak, and had their race characterized by the technology. Cloaking is more Romulan in nature than Klingon. Thems the facts.
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Should have more Hull than a Galaxy though.
if it was taken from the shows or films then that's down to cbs. if it was freshly made for that game, it could be down to the game creators or the individual artist. if it was individual artist. then maybe they can be approached to use their art work again if cbs ok'd it?
I agree there is some nice designs in some of game from the past. but cryptic seem to be doing a pretty good job on the ship art for the romulans
Aye. I do hope that the D'deridex that is launched is the equivalency of the Recluse
I think that cryptic is doing a pretty good job with the new faction rollout, considering the state of the Romulans when STO launched. I also usually enjoy most of the Cryptic ships, but I've seen the design concept art for some of the proposed Romulan ships and I'm not so thrilled. It's a personal opinion, but the ship aesthetics has a more Reman/Spider-Creaturish feel that isn't really in Romulan fashion. It's the same for the new rep system items. The new guns and turrets look super cool, but there's an organic, spider like quality that isn't really Romulan. I don't know if these new designs are new/JJ trek inspirations or not, but I'm waiting to see what the devs release and hope that some of the new ships keep those iconic Romulan stylings that make the D'Deridex and Valdore class Warbirds the memorable ships that they are.
Sadly we have the branchild of the Narada to thanks for that ghastly approach....
Please hell no Narada rubbish on Romulan Ships -I will gladly state The scimitar is more Romulan than that hellraiser abortion.
Love the backstory to how Neros mining ship turned into that-the backstory was so bad I checked if it was a legitimate joke:):eek:
The Ha'apax may be called Romulan, but its definitely a Reman design. It's bat-like, spindly with fronds sticking off the front and its garish. It's definitely a Reman design. How Scimitar-esque does it have to be to convey A Reman design ethos? Anyone who has spent more than a decade as a Romulan fan knows what is and is not a Romulan design. Excepting some Romulan design influence the aforementioned ship is certainly a bit more of the Reman spice. Unlock a Reman toon and put Reman boffs and it'll be a Reman Warship.
EDIT: Actually made a mistake here. The Ha'apax is the Romulan-ish Warbird with the asymmetrical nose-end (design could easily be seen as Romulan but the curves need less lines and angles) its an undisclosed Warbird from screencaps that looks like a stolen Reman ship. If you're looking for Reman ships that would be the one I would look to.
Very interesting!
What destroyer are you talking about?
Yeah cause all the fed ships look like a connie.......
The episode was "The Next Phase" and it wasn't a redress of the shuttle it was actually a modified version of the Romulan scout ship. We have seen neither mentioned for the new faction release-so far.
Indeed. Ramming speed and Abandon ship might finally become usefull to destroy other ships?
I've read neither set of novels so I'm not certain if the Mogai(mogwai) or the Norexan class ships refer to classes of Warbirds or what. In the game these are called escorts, but if these are suppose to reference the same ship as the IRW Valdore then it was never intended to be an escort, but was in fact the most up to date Warbird seen on screen.
I honestly believe when the ships are being developed the devs misunderstand how the D'Deridex is slower than a Galaxy class starship, in canon. It isn't that the design necessarily has a slower turn rate- in fact it was perfectly capable of running down a much more agile Romulan scout ship in the episode "Defector".
But in canon the D'Deridex is slower than a Galaxy class in overall warp speed. A Warbird pushed to warp 9.6 over taxes the engine design and causes irreparable damage. Somehow this translates into slower FTL speed and less combat maneuverable.
To be correct, disrupt or cannons are very much a canon weapon on Warbirds of both on screen classes. They were used often on the D'Deridex(which also has a forward disrupt or beam) and they were shown as the exclusive weapon used by the Valdore at the battle of Bassen Rift.
In a way, due to the critter using cloak so very little, that might be how they felt the D'deridex currently represented in-game and they're just sticking to it.
Also, having just watched "Defector", the warbird was pacing its pursuit of the scoutship - apparently, it was supposed to be 'even faster' if it had truly wanted to catch up.
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I wasn't actually asking for the ability to fire while cloaked, however wouldn't a number of features of the Scimitar's cloak, accounting for advancements, now be standard amongst Romulan vessels by 2409?
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I agree. I don't like the new designs. Mogai and D'deridex are so slender and elegant, the two new ships in this blog look "heavy" instead. I don't know what was the inspiration, but it doesn't seem like it was any of the ships I mentioned.
Another thing that bothers me is the front part that I would call "head". Unlike the mogai, D'deridex and romulan shuttle/science ship those new warbirds don't have a "beak". This part was very characteristic for romulan ships, instead the Dhelan, has a mantis head, and the Ha?apax looks more like a bat. Worse, the Ha?apax looks like two bats in a mating ritual (I'm not trying to be funny, this really was my first impression).
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I agree, the Klingons may have been pioneers in combat cloak features, but Romulans were the creators and it's perfecters. When the scimitar debuted, it had a perfect cloak with no technical weaknesses that could fire as well. This was in modern trek, when sensors and what not were far superior to STTUC. Romulans should definitely be getting battle cloaks, with stronger stealth numbers as well.
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So much want!! They need to consider this design...
Very sleek and has a very much modern Romulan feel.
I'm pretty sure I recall at least one occasion where cloaked Klingon ships entering a system were detected as a matter of course.
Yes, I have basic agreement with you. I don't, however, want to completely discourage the devs since the general design layout gets really close. It just seems like the designer is trying too hard or going for ?ber Rimulan. The Narada and NuTrek styles from the crab/arachnid background aren't classic Romulan designs. They should be simple, sleek and somewhat Art Deco.
Short answer; No.
The designs Activision made are derivative works, and (provided they meet the criteria to be copyrightable) the copyright belongs to the creator of the derivative work (Activision), not the underlying work (Star Trek and CBS).
Same holds true for STO, the design of the Ha?apax warbird is a derivative work, and the copyright goes to Cryptic/PWE not CBS.
The licence Activision were given, allowed them to use their derivative works in a commercial venture (read, make money from), along with using the Star Trek name/brand. Activision will have either been charged a one-time fee, or more likely, paid royalties to CBS.
Licences generally don't include transfer of ownership or leasing of copyright 'up' to the holder of the underlying work. Underlying works holders rarely 'buy up' derivative works, as it can be costly and their future use may be limited.
When Activision lost the licence, all they lost was the ability to use their derivative works in a commercial way and the use of the Star Trek brand. They still own the copyrights to those works, and could continue developing derivatives (but if they can't profit from them, why would they?)
This is generally how copyright works. Activision/CBS may have had additional agreements in place, but it's highly unlikely CBS hold the copyright to Activisions derivatives. If they did, they could allow Cryptic use of to them.
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No matter how a games developer tries the majority of the gamers will never be happy
And those who are content will have a gripe about appearances of ships costumes etc etc and etc.
Im content with what we will be getting my gripe is i wish it was a full scale faction not this micro faction.
But other then that i will be happy to atleast be able to play as a romulan and fly romulan ships.
The klingon cloaking devices had a deadly flaw before TNG as shown in STVI. They weren't always supposedly invincible like you said.
The important thing is that Romulans had the best cloak we ever saw. They had the first cloak, and had their race characterized by the technology. Cloaking is more Romulan in nature than Klingon. Thems the facts.
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