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  • wazzagiowwazzagiow Member Posts: 769 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Cryptic it doesnt matter how much the public or the small player base that wants a simitar begs for one please dont do god ships. Dont even do a lockbox variant of one please.

    if they do it i'm sure it will be watered down from a 'god' ship. but I really hope they never put a romulan ship in a lockbox. I could expect a romulan temporal variant for only romulans to equal the current fed and kdf temporal ship. but a romulan ship for non romulans to fly is an awful thought just like roms flying fed and kdf ship which is currently planned.
  • messahlamessahla Member Posts: 1,160 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    jexsamx wrote: »
    Hm. They all look neat, but none of them really speak to me.

    The D'Deridex and mogai spoke to me they said "Soon we will be yours" and you know what.....i Believe them...or maybe ive been mixing to much torpedo juice in my romulan ale again :P
  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I reckon you'd have to be mad to want a Scimitar.

    It turns too slowly, it flies at a snails pace and if it were to come out it certainly won't have all the OP toys Donatra get's to play with.

    It'll be a brick in space, a pretty brick sure, but a brick all the same. But hey, each to their own I suppose.
  • noctusxxxnoctusxxx Member Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    so why isnt the ship line up more like this?

    tier1-tos bop
    tier2-the modern looking ent bop
    tier3-Dhelan
    tier4-Mogai
    tier5-D?deridex

    and the Ha?apax a c store ship?


    and turn rates, slower then a galaxy? firepower comparable to a galaxy? those are horrible benchmarks in this game, considering the current galaxy class we have available are the least damaging, slowest turning, worst station setup haveing, all around WORST ship in the entire game. the tin can Aquarius is a better escort then the galaxy R is a cruiser.

    the d'deridex needs to move like a negvar, and the mogai like a breen ship.

    crappy fed style cruisers are worthless at being anything but heal boats with all the defensive power creep out healing even the strongest pressure damage. make these war birds more like the negvar, vorcha, and kamarang, then they can at least be multi role, and flown defensibly or offensively.

    Its a strange and scary day when I share the same opinion on this as you do.........
  • suavekssuaveks Member Posts: 1,736 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    We are planning to have Romulan Fleet ships. Details TBA.
    D:

    If d'deridex will require T5 shipyard I'm gonna cry...
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  • mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Cryptic it doesnt matter how much the public or the small player base that wants a simitar begs for one please dont do god ships. Dont even do a lockbox variant of one please.

    You mean like the Vo'quv for the Klingon faction.
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  • messahlamessahla Member Posts: 1,160 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Hey Branflakes question...can you tell the devs to respectfully to "PLEASE RELEASE IT ALREADY!!" idk about everyone else but im a little anxious to be a rom :)
  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    AND FOR GOODNESS SAKE'S Call the Mogai by her proper name. Norexum. She is Norexum class not bloody mogai.

    In the Titan novels, the class is called Mogai. Norexum is from some other novel. Neither are canon, but Mogai is the one Cryptic chose to go with.
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  • tsurutafan01tsurutafan01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    D'Deridex was always going to be Tier IV. You can't release a Tier V D'Deridex for free without upgrading the Galaxy, Defiant, Vor'Cha etc. in order to maintain continuity. Tier IV is the "free version of TV ships" tier.


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  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    messahla wrote: »
    Hey Branflakes question...can you tell the devs to respectfully to "PLEASE RELEASE IT ALREADY!!" idk about everyone else but im a little anxious to be a rom :)

    My understanding is no matter how awesome the devs are, they have yet to figure out a way to make May 21st come any sooner.

    Though I am sure someone over there is figuring out a way to make it happen, if they can. :P
  • burstdragon323burstdragon323 Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The lack of a science vessel scares me.

    Romulans Are supposed to be oriented around science so where is the science vessel?
  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,561 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    In the Titan novels, the class is called Mogai. Norexum is from some other novel. Neither are canon, but Mogai is the one Cryptic chose to go with.

    You've got to be kidding me. I can understand Valdore but everywhere else it's Norexum. I only saw Mogai on this game. granted i haven't read the Titan novels but when only one book series calls it one thing and everywhere else it's something else then that series is wrong. Heck in my mine the Titan should be a Sovereign. the name fits and I can't see Riker leaving for anything less.
  • messahlamessahla Member Posts: 1,160 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    so why isnt the ship line up more like this?

    tier1-tos bop
    tier2-the modern looking ent bop
    tier3-Dhelan
    tier4-Mogai
    tier5-D?deridex

    and the Ha?apax a c store ship?


    and turn rates, slower then a galaxy? firepower comparable to a galaxy? those are horrible benchmarks in this game, considering the current galaxy class we have available are the least damaging, slowest turning, worst station setup haveing, all around WORST ship in the entire game. the tin can Aquarius is a better escort then the galaxy R is a cruiser.

    the d'deridex needs to move like a negvar, and the mogai like a breen ship.

    crappy fed style cruisers are worthless at being anything but heal boats with all the defensive power creep out healing even the strongest pressure damage. make these war birds more like the negvar, vorcha, and kamarang, then they can at least be multi role, and flown defensibly or offensively.

    The rom weapons make up for the lack of mobility think of the rom hyper torp or their plasma beams.
    Idk bout anyone else but ive met my untimley end several times at the hands of a D'Deridex using the hyper torp.
    The firing arc ive noticed while in combat with a d'deridex is very good it compensates for its lack of speed and mobility.
    Its a powerfull ship that can take tremendous amounts of punishment and beat you sensless while trying to kill it.
    Also now put that ship in the hands of a player add all the borg junk on it and you will have a ship that will be almost unbeatable.
  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You've got to be kidding me. I can understand Valdore but everywhere else it's Norexum

    Maybe Norexum will be the refit/retrofit. :eek:

    On another note, I do hope we get additional free ships for leveling. Some Reman designs would be nice; I'm not really a fan of the repainted Romulan ships they use.

    And I hope the Ha'apax becomes the new Romulan dreadnought, replacing the Scimitar.
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  • messahlamessahla Member Posts: 1,160 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    My understanding is no matter how awesome the devs are, they have yet to figure out a way to make May 21st come any sooner.

    Though I am sure someone over there is figuring out a way to make it happen, if they can. :P

    LOL yeah i understand im just a bit anxious im currentley on an STO hiatus (Ingame) till may 21st.

    Im ready to get back in the saddle again but not until im a romulan :)
  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    messahla wrote: »
    The rom weapons make up for the lack of mobility think of the rom hyper torp or their plasma beams.
    Idk bout anyone else but ive met my untimley end several times at the hands of a D'Deridex using the hyper torp.
    The firing arc ive noticed while in combat with a d'deridex is very good it compensates for its lack of speed and mobility.
    Its a powerfull ship that can take tremendous amounts of punishment and beat you sensless while trying to kill it.
    Also now put that ship in the hands of a player add all the borg junk on it and you will have a ship that will be almost unbeatable.

    All the items you mentioned have nothing to do with the ship, you can put them on any ship. ;)
  • zerobangzerobang Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Why is the Tier 1 ship called "T'Liss" instead of the simple good old and canon term "Bird of Prey" that we all know and love?

    The Shipnames in STO are often counter intuitive. *not sure why that is*


    The Mogai... still looks like the *meh* NPC Ship...
    +1 to proper Nemesis-Valdore Replica plz, we know JamzJamz can do better! LET HIM!

    Warbird still looks good to me, but one screenshot is not enough to really judge a model from all angles.

    Artwork of the Tier 5 ship with the odd name i forgotten already... BIGGER PICTURE plz.
    In fact i want to see more Artwork in good quality period. (how about some behind the scenes Blog with lots of Artwork and a few infos how certain things were made?).

    The Tier 2 Ship, remove Nacelles add some cannons instead and it would make a very nice KLINGON Ship. Just a little more red maybe... (come on that one is totally a KDF Bird of Prey!)
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  • messahlamessahla Member Posts: 1,160 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    qjunior wrote: »
    All the items you mentioned have nothing to do with the ship, you can put them on any ship. ;)

    Thats true in itself due to the rep system but my focus is on rom ships themselves
    true they lack mobility but they make up for it in shear durability.
    when coupled to rom weapons and borg tech along with ther firepower which rom ships hit HARD!! the rom ships like the d'deridex can be almost unbeatable.

    Btw funny sig mate :)
  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You've got to be kidding me. I can understand Valdore but everywhere else it's Norexum. I only saw Mogai on this game. granted i haven't read the Titan novels but when only one book series calls it one thing and everywhere else it's something else then that series is wrong. Heck in my mine the Titan should be a Sovereign. the name fits and I can't see Riker leaving for anything less.

    From Memory Alpha:
    • The Star Trek: Titan novels from Pocket Books and Star Trek Online classify the Valdore-type as the Mogai-class.

    Seems to me the most excepted term for the Valdore is Mogai Class/Type. Though as someone else said, none are technically canon.
  • commandersalvekcommandersalvek Member Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Im happy up until that horrible made up t5 design appeared- will not be going past go on that one staying with the deridex

    Also loving the belief the D'deridex is not as powerful or more of the galaxy class and because the mogai is "newer" (read not seen in TV series only movie) its more powerful -LOL

    why would people assume this? Its equally possible this class co existed with the D'deridex and given the reality of the few encounters the Enterprise had, we did not see it.

    The use of the confined singularity limited the warbird's overall maximum speed. For a warbird to match the maximum speed of a Galaxy-class starship, it needed to exceed its engine output by thirty percent. Doing this would typically cause the warbird's warp drive to sustain irreparable damage. (TNG: "Tin Man")
  • mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    zulisvel wrote: »
    The lack of stats makes me sad. :(

    Also the D'deridex is slower than the Galaxy class but designed to appeal to Battle Cruiser players? Whut? Trying to comprehend that is giving me a headache since the appeal of Battle Cruisers is the ability to mount duel cannons on a cruiser combined with the mobility to actually use duel cannons.

    Stats always follow later after the art postings even with regular ship releases.

    The Klingon battlescruiser ships like the Bortas (oddy comp) only turns at 5 and in line with the FED dreadnought (6) and galaxy ships (6).
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  • felderburgfelderburg Member Posts: 854 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I like what the singularity thing is sounding like, for the most part. Sort of like a continuous charge and release mechanic. I hope it is the precursor to more "unusual" (other than click and fire) power mechanics.

    I do have to say, however, I'm not sure how it will work with the idea of making a fast strike, recloaking, then striking again. Since it relies on staying in combat, does that mean that using the cloak to full advantage (hit and runs with cloaking between) will not work all that well?
    canis36 wrote: »
    Are there at least plans to give us different visualization options with the free ships? Or do we need to buy costumes/refits from the C-Store?

    This is my question. Nearly every Fed and KDF ship has 3 costume variants for free. Will Romulans get the same?

    I understand if their 1,000 day ship or their flagship (Oddy or Bortasqu' equivalent) doesn't, but it would be nice if all three factions finally ended up getting costume variants for those ships.
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Firstly, shouldn't the opening line mention both the Alpha and Beta Quadrants? Secondly, based off comments made in TNG, the D'deridex-class Warbirds had greater firepower than a Galaxy-class while also having a lower maximum warp speed, and being less maneuverable.

    So, if you're going to make them turn slower than a Galaxy-class, they need something to compensate, mainly greater weapons power. How that translates in-game shouldn't just be: "It can equip cannons!" though.
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  • commandersalvekcommandersalvek Member Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    messahla wrote: »
    The D'Deridex and mogai spoke to me they said "Soon we will be yours" and you know what.....i Believe them...or maybe ive been mixing to much torpedo juice in my romulan ale again :P
    amosov78 wrote: »
    Firstly, since shouldn't the opening line mention both the Alpha and Beta Quadrants? Secondly, based off comments made in TNG, the D'deridex-class Warbirds had greater firepower than a Galaxy-class while also having a lower maximum warp speed, and being less maneuverable. So, if you're going to make them turn slower than a Galaxy-class, they need something to compensate, mainly greater weapons power.

    Fully Agree:D
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    So if romulan D'Deridex has lower turn rate than Galaxy and same firepower. Does it mean, it will be superior ship with 2 tac consoles, 5 turn rate and access to DHC ? :P
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  • mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    noctusxxx wrote: »
    I will only be impressed by this, "battle crusier" style of play they are promising if they actually grant them the same turn rates as real battle cruisers.

    If they do to these ships what they did to the Bortasq with a turn rate 5 points lower then a battle cruiser, then they will be just as horrible to fly. (Which is the real reason that ship failed to sell well in the C-Store)

    Without a base turnrate of at least 9 those ships will be worthless with cannons. They will only be able to effectively use beam and torp loadouts.

    I agree the turn rates are low for all the battlecruiser ships except the negh'var but you see in the game how slow a DD turns currently so I don't see that as a big surprise. I have found with the right new consoles, engines, skills etc you can really pump up your turn rate in cruisers again.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    looks like I'm back to my original plan and getting a D'Kyr
  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    eisenw0lf wrote: »
    Doesn't seem like there will be more free ships. We will have to pay for the rest.

    Weird. Other factions have at least one free ship of each class, if not two. I know they need time to make ships, but i'm a bit concerned for my F2P friends. Will they have to play a huge fat whale and that's it? Everyone in the same ship? I see why they want to give access to fed and kdf ships now. It doesn't mean i agree, but only one free T5 ship, come on...
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  • bd3648bd3648 Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    i understand romulans will be able to use ships of its allies yet starships should be excluded from romulans to use yet shuttles thats something different . shuttles should be the only thing the feds or klingons let romulans have at all ..... as for the tier 5 ship the nose should have more of that bird like look not the rounded klingon look most ships are getting
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  • wazzagiowwazzagiow Member Posts: 769 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    So if romulan D'Deridex has lower turn rate than Galaxy and same firepower. Does it mean, it will be superior ship with 2 tac consoles, 5 turn rate and access to DHC ? :P

    it's not a carrier. so I find it hard to believe it will have a turn rate lower than 6. :eek:
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