Cryptic it doesnt matter how much the public or the small player base that wants a simitar begs for one please dont do god ships. Dont even do a lockbox variant of one please.
if they do it i'm sure it will be watered down from a 'god' ship. but I really hope they never put a romulan ship in a lockbox. I could expect a romulan temporal variant for only romulans to equal the current fed and kdf temporal ship. but a romulan ship for non romulans to fly is an awful thought just like roms flying fed and kdf ship which is currently planned.
Hm. They all look neat, but none of them really speak to me.
The D'Deridex and mogai spoke to me they said "Soon we will be yours" and you know what.....i Believe them...or maybe ive been mixing to much torpedo juice in my romulan ale again :P
tier1-tos bop
tier2-the modern looking ent bop
tier3-Dhelan
tier4-Mogai
tier5-D?deridex
and the Ha?apax a c store ship?
and turn rates, slower then a galaxy? firepower comparable to a galaxy? those are horrible benchmarks in this game, considering the current galaxy class we have available are the least damaging, slowest turning, worst station setup haveing, all around WORST ship in the entire game. the tin can Aquarius is a better escort then the galaxy R is a cruiser.
the d'deridex needs to move like a negvar, and the mogai like a breen ship.
crappy fed style cruisers are worthless at being anything but heal boats with all the defensive power creep out healing even the strongest pressure damage. make these war birds more like the negvar, vorcha, and kamarang, then they can at least be multi role, and flown defensibly or offensively.
Its a strange and scary day when I share the same opinion on this as you do.........
Cryptic it doesnt matter how much the public or the small player base that wants a simitar begs for one please dont do god ships. Dont even do a lockbox variant of one please.
You mean like the Vo'quv for the Klingon faction.
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Hey Branflakes question...can you tell the devs to respectfully to "PLEASE RELEASE IT ALREADY!!" idk about everyone else but im a little anxious to be a rom
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D'Deridex was always going to be Tier IV. You can't release a Tier V D'Deridex for free without upgrading the Galaxy, Defiant, Vor'Cha etc. in order to maintain continuity. Tier IV is the "free version of TV ships" tier.
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Hey Branflakes question...can you tell the devs to respectfully to "PLEASE RELEASE IT ALREADY!!" idk about everyone else but im a little anxious to be a rom
My understanding is no matter how awesome the devs are, they have yet to figure out a way to make May 21st come any sooner.
Though I am sure someone over there is figuring out a way to make it happen, if they can. :P
In the Titan novels, the class is called Mogai. Norexum is from some other novel. Neither are canon, but Mogai is the one Cryptic chose to go with.
You've got to be kidding me. I can understand Valdore but everywhere else it's Norexum. I only saw Mogai on this game. granted i haven't read the Titan novels but when only one book series calls it one thing and everywhere else it's something else then that series is wrong. Heck in my mine the Titan should be a Sovereign. the name fits and I can't see Riker leaving for anything less.
tier1-tos bop
tier2-the modern looking ent bop
tier3-Dhelan
tier4-Mogai
tier5-D?deridex
and the Ha?apax a c store ship?
and turn rates, slower then a galaxy? firepower comparable to a galaxy? those are horrible benchmarks in this game, considering the current galaxy class we have available are the least damaging, slowest turning, worst station setup haveing, all around WORST ship in the entire game. the tin can Aquarius is a better escort then the galaxy R is a cruiser.
the d'deridex needs to move like a negvar, and the mogai like a breen ship.
crappy fed style cruisers are worthless at being anything but heal boats with all the defensive power creep out healing even the strongest pressure damage. make these war birds more like the negvar, vorcha, and kamarang, then they can at least be multi role, and flown defensibly or offensively.
The rom weapons make up for the lack of mobility think of the rom hyper torp or their plasma beams.
Idk bout anyone else but ive met my untimley end several times at the hands of a D'Deridex using the hyper torp.
The firing arc ive noticed while in combat with a d'deridex is very good it compensates for its lack of speed and mobility.
Its a powerfull ship that can take tremendous amounts of punishment and beat you sensless while trying to kill it.
Also now put that ship in the hands of a player add all the borg junk on it and you will have a ship that will be almost unbeatable.
You've got to be kidding me. I can understand Valdore but everywhere else it's Norexum
Maybe Norexum will be the refit/retrofit. :eek:
On another note, I do hope we get additional free ships for leveling. Some Reman designs would be nice; I'm not really a fan of the repainted Romulan ships they use.
And I hope the Ha'apax becomes the new Romulan dreadnought, replacing the Scimitar.
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The rom weapons make up for the lack of mobility think of the rom hyper torp or their plasma beams.
Idk bout anyone else but ive met my untimley end several times at the hands of a D'Deridex using the hyper torp.
The firing arc ive noticed while in combat with a d'deridex is very good it compensates for its lack of speed and mobility.
Its a powerfull ship that can take tremendous amounts of punishment and beat you sensless while trying to kill it.
Also now put that ship in the hands of a player add all the borg junk on it and you will have a ship that will be almost unbeatable.
All the items you mentioned have nothing to do with the ship, you can put them on any ship.
Why is the Tier 1 ship called "T'Liss" instead of the simple good old and canon term "Bird of Prey" that we all know and love?
The Shipnames in STO are often counter intuitive. *not sure why that is*
The Mogai... still looks like the *meh* NPC Ship...
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Warbird still looks good to me, but one screenshot is not enough to really judge a model from all angles.
Artwork of the Tier 5 ship with the odd name i forgotten already... BIGGER PICTURE plz.
In fact i want to see more Artwork in good quality period. (how about some behind the scenes Blog with lots of Artwork and a few infos how certain things were made?).
The Tier 2 Ship, remove Nacelles add some cannons instead and it would make a very nice KLINGON Ship. Just a little more red maybe... (come on that one is totally a KDF Bird of Prey!)
All the items you mentioned have nothing to do with the ship, you can put them on any ship.
Thats true in itself due to the rep system but my focus is on rom ships themselves
true they lack mobility but they make up for it in shear durability.
when coupled to rom weapons and borg tech along with ther firepower which rom ships hit HARD!! the rom ships like the d'deridex can be almost unbeatable.
You've got to be kidding me. I can understand Valdore but everywhere else it's Norexum. I only saw Mogai on this game. granted i haven't read the Titan novels but when only one book series calls it one thing and everywhere else it's something else then that series is wrong. Heck in my mine the Titan should be a Sovereign. the name fits and I can't see Riker leaving for anything less.
Im happy up until that horrible made up t5 design appeared- will not be going past go on that one staying with the deridex
Also loving the belief the D'deridex is not as powerful or more of the galaxy class and because the mogai is "newer" (read not seen in TV series only movie) its more powerful -LOL
why would people assume this? Its equally possible this class co existed with the D'deridex and given the reality of the few encounters the Enterprise had, we did not see it.
The use of the confined singularity limited the warbird's overall maximum speed. For a warbird to match the maximum speed of a Galaxy-class starship, it needed to exceed its engine output by thirty percent. Doing this would typically cause the warbird's warp drive to sustain irreparable damage. (TNG: "Tin Man")
Also the D'deridex is slower than the Galaxy class but designed to appeal to Battle Cruiser players? Whut? Trying to comprehend that is giving me a headache since the appeal of Battle Cruisers is the ability to mount duel cannons on a cruiser combined with the mobility to actually use duel cannons.
Stats always follow later after the art postings even with regular ship releases.
The Klingon battlescruiser ships like the Bortas (oddy comp) only turns at 5 and in line with the FED dreadnought (6) and galaxy ships (6).
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I like what the singularity thing is sounding like, for the most part. Sort of like a continuous charge and release mechanic. I hope it is the precursor to more "unusual" (other than click and fire) power mechanics.
I do have to say, however, I'm not sure how it will work with the idea of making a fast strike, recloaking, then striking again. Since it relies on staying in combat, does that mean that using the cloak to full advantage (hit and runs with cloaking between) will not work all that well?
Are there at least plans to give us different visualization options with the free ships? Or do we need to buy costumes/refits from the C-Store?
This is my question. Nearly every Fed and KDF ship has 3 costume variants for free. Will Romulans get the same?
I understand if their 1,000 day ship or their flagship (Oddy or Bortasqu' equivalent) doesn't, but it would be nice if all three factions finally ended up getting costume variants for those ships.
Firstly, shouldn't the opening line mention both the Alpha and Beta Quadrants? Secondly, based off comments made in TNG, the D'deridex-class Warbirds had greater firepower than a Galaxy-class while also having a lower maximum warp speed, and being less maneuverable.
So, if you're going to make them turn slower than a Galaxy-class, they need something to compensate, mainly greater weapons power. How that translates in-game shouldn't just be: "It can equip cannons!" though.
The D'Deridex and mogai spoke to me they said "Soon we will be yours" and you know what.....i Believe them...or maybe ive been mixing to much torpedo juice in my romulan ale again :P
Firstly, since shouldn't the opening line mention both the Alpha and Beta Quadrants? Secondly, based off comments made in TNG, the D'deridex-class Warbirds had greater firepower than a Galaxy-class while also having a lower maximum warp speed, and being less maneuverable. So, if you're going to make them turn slower than a Galaxy-class, they need something to compensate, mainly greater weapons power.
So if romulan D'Deridex has lower turn rate than Galaxy and same firepower. Does it mean, it will be superior ship with 2 tac consoles, 5 turn rate and access to DHC ? :P
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I will only be impressed by this, "battle crusier" style of play they are promising if they actually grant them the same turn rates as real battle cruisers.
If they do to these ships what they did to the Bortasq with a turn rate 5 points lower then a battle cruiser, then they will be just as horrible to fly. (Which is the real reason that ship failed to sell well in the C-Store)
Without a base turnrate of at least 9 those ships will be worthless with cannons. They will only be able to effectively use beam and torp loadouts.
I agree the turn rates are low for all the battlecruiser ships except the negh'var but you see in the game how slow a DD turns currently so I don't see that as a big surprise. I have found with the right new consoles, engines, skills etc you can really pump up your turn rate in cruisers again.
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Doesn't seem like there will be more free ships. We will have to pay for the rest.
Weird. Other factions have at least one free ship of each class, if not two. I know they need time to make ships, but i'm a bit concerned for my F2P friends. Will they have to play a huge fat whale and that's it? Everyone in the same ship? I see why they want to give access to fed and kdf ships now. It doesn't mean i agree, but only one free T5 ship, come on...
i understand romulans will be able to use ships of its allies yet starships should be excluded from romulans to use yet shuttles thats something different . shuttles should be the only thing the feds or klingons let romulans have at all ..... as for the tier 5 ship the nose should have more of that bird like look not the rounded klingon look most ships are getting
So if romulan D'Deridex has lower turn rate than Galaxy and same firepower. Does it mean, it will be superior ship with 2 tac consoles, 5 turn rate and access to DHC ? :P
it's not a carrier. so I find it hard to believe it will have a turn rate lower than 6. :eek:
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if they do it i'm sure it will be watered down from a 'god' ship. but I really hope they never put a romulan ship in a lockbox. I could expect a romulan temporal variant for only romulans to equal the current fed and kdf temporal ship. but a romulan ship for non romulans to fly is an awful thought just like roms flying fed and kdf ship which is currently planned.
The D'Deridex and mogai spoke to me they said "Soon we will be yours" and you know what.....i Believe them...or maybe ive been mixing to much torpedo juice in my romulan ale again :P
It turns too slowly, it flies at a snails pace and if it were to come out it certainly won't have all the OP toys Donatra get's to play with.
It'll be a brick in space, a pretty brick sure, but a brick all the same. But hey, each to their own I suppose.
Its a strange and scary day when I share the same opinion on this as you do.........
If d'deridex will require T5 shipyard I'm gonna cry...
You mean like the Vo'quv for the Klingon faction.
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In the Titan novels, the class is called Mogai. Norexum is from some other novel. Neither are canon, but Mogai is the one Cryptic chose to go with.
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My understanding is no matter how awesome the devs are, they have yet to figure out a way to make May 21st come any sooner.
Though I am sure someone over there is figuring out a way to make it happen, if they can. :P
Romulans Are supposed to be oriented around science so where is the science vessel?
You've got to be kidding me. I can understand Valdore but everywhere else it's Norexum. I only saw Mogai on this game. granted i haven't read the Titan novels but when only one book series calls it one thing and everywhere else it's something else then that series is wrong. Heck in my mine the Titan should be a Sovereign. the name fits and I can't see Riker leaving for anything less.
The rom weapons make up for the lack of mobility think of the rom hyper torp or their plasma beams.
Idk bout anyone else but ive met my untimley end several times at the hands of a D'Deridex using the hyper torp.
The firing arc ive noticed while in combat with a d'deridex is very good it compensates for its lack of speed and mobility.
Its a powerfull ship that can take tremendous amounts of punishment and beat you sensless while trying to kill it.
Also now put that ship in the hands of a player add all the borg junk on it and you will have a ship that will be almost unbeatable.
Maybe Norexum will be the refit/retrofit. :eek:
On another note, I do hope we get additional free ships for leveling. Some Reman designs would be nice; I'm not really a fan of the repainted Romulan ships they use.
And I hope the Ha'apax becomes the new Romulan dreadnought, replacing the Scimitar.
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LOL yeah i understand im just a bit anxious im currentley on an STO hiatus (Ingame) till may 21st.
Im ready to get back in the saddle again but not until im a romulan
All the items you mentioned have nothing to do with the ship, you can put them on any ship.
The Shipnames in STO are often counter intuitive. *not sure why that is*
The Mogai... still looks like the *meh* NPC Ship...
+1 to proper Nemesis-Valdore Replica plz, we know JamzJamz can do better! LET HIM!
Warbird still looks good to me, but one screenshot is not enough to really judge a model from all angles.
Artwork of the Tier 5 ship with the odd name i forgotten already... BIGGER PICTURE plz.
In fact i want to see more Artwork in good quality period. (how about some behind the scenes Blog with lots of Artwork and a few infos how certain things were made?).
The Tier 2 Ship, remove Nacelles add some cannons instead and it would make a very nice KLINGON Ship. Just a little more red maybe... (come on that one is totally a KDF Bird of Prey!)
Thats true in itself due to the rep system but my focus is on rom ships themselves
true they lack mobility but they make up for it in shear durability.
when coupled to rom weapons and borg tech along with ther firepower which rom ships hit HARD!! the rom ships like the d'deridex can be almost unbeatable.
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Seems to me the most excepted term for the Valdore is Mogai Class/Type. Though as someone else said, none are technically canon.
Also loving the belief the D'deridex is not as powerful or more of the galaxy class and because the mogai is "newer" (read not seen in TV series only movie) its more powerful -LOL
why would people assume this? Its equally possible this class co existed with the D'deridex and given the reality of the few encounters the Enterprise had, we did not see it.
The use of the confined singularity limited the warbird's overall maximum speed. For a warbird to match the maximum speed of a Galaxy-class starship, it needed to exceed its engine output by thirty percent. Doing this would typically cause the warbird's warp drive to sustain irreparable damage. (TNG: "Tin Man")
Stats always follow later after the art postings even with regular ship releases.
The Klingon battlescruiser ships like the Bortas (oddy comp) only turns at 5 and in line with the FED dreadnought (6) and galaxy ships (6).
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I do have to say, however, I'm not sure how it will work with the idea of making a fast strike, recloaking, then striking again. Since it relies on staying in combat, does that mean that using the cloak to full advantage (hit and runs with cloaking between) will not work all that well?
This is my question. Nearly every Fed and KDF ship has 3 costume variants for free. Will Romulans get the same?
I understand if their 1,000 day ship or their flagship (Oddy or Bortasqu' equivalent) doesn't, but it would be nice if all three factions finally ended up getting costume variants for those ships.
So, if you're going to make them turn slower than a Galaxy-class, they need something to compensate, mainly greater weapons power. How that translates in-game shouldn't just be: "It can equip cannons!" though.
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I agree the turn rates are low for all the battlecruiser ships except the negh'var but you see in the game how slow a DD turns currently so I don't see that as a big surprise. I have found with the right new consoles, engines, skills etc you can really pump up your turn rate in cruisers again.
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Weird. Other factions have at least one free ship of each class, if not two. I know they need time to make ships, but i'm a bit concerned for my F2P friends. Will they have to play a huge fat whale and that's it? Everyone in the same ship? I see why they want to give access to fed and kdf ships now. It doesn't mean i agree, but only one free T5 ship, come on...
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
it's not a carrier. so I find it hard to believe it will have a turn rate lower than 6. :eek: