The description for the D'Deridex is pretty disheartening. Firstly, it's like THE iconic romulan ship, and it's only tier 4. Secondly, it's being compared to the galaxy. Specifically that it's slower and tankier.
Come on, the galaxy is a big, lumbering, pile of fail and everyone knows it. Why on earth would you intentionally repeat those mistakes? There's at least one thread a week about how terrible the galaxy ships are. Why oh why couldn't the D'Deridex be made into something people would actually want to fly for a reason other than appearance?
The Ha'apax looks terrible. It's ugly, and it's bigger and slower than the D'Deridex? It's going to be beyond useless. Way to waste the time and effort of the design staff.
The Dhelan and Mogai look nice, I hope they have tier 5 versions. I really, really wanted a real warbird, I've always loved the D'Deridex. But not enough to stuff myself into floating piece of fail that's best described as a galaxy but worse.
It's just as I feared, there is no version of the trinity for the Romulans.
You need to read and listen to dev interview. I don't recall which but Stahl(?) talked about different variants of the Warbirds (Science, Engineering and Tactical). I think there are more than meets the eye from that dev blog.
I think we are just hearing about the classes in general. The variant of each class (Science, Tactical and Cruiser) are how we'll get choices of ships. There are also hints of special abilities the ships will have base on their singularity cores.
The T'liss Light Warbird was the most heavily utilized model during the 23rd Century. The T?liss is the fastest, lightest, and most maneuverable Warbird available. Like all Romulan ships, the T?liss is equipped with a Cloaking device, but vulnerable while cloaked.
As a quick and mobile vessel, the T?liss may appeal to players who currently enjoy flying Raiders. Note: This is the starting ship for Romulan players.
T'Liss was the name given to the Romulan Drone Ships that was see on Enterprise, not the Romulan BoPs. :mad:
The D'deridex Warbird Battle Cruiser was the foundation of the Romulan Star Empire's forces in the 24th century. Drastically heavier than the earlier T'liss and Dhelan models, the D'deridex was significantly more resilient and carried firepower comparable to a Federation Galaxy-class ship.
Extremely focused on defense, but capable of carrying heavy weaponry, the D?deridex will likely appeal to players who enjoy the current style of play of Battle Cruisers.
"Warbird Battlecruiser"? Sounds like you making it out like super duper ship.
Is it a Warbird or is it a Battlecruiser? Make up your mind. :rolleyes:
You've got to be kidding me. I can understand Valdore but everywhere else it's Norexum. I only saw Mogai on this game. granted i haven't read the Titan novels but when only one book series calls it one thing and everywhere else it's something else then that series is wrong. Heck in my mine the Titan should be a Sovereign. the name fits and I can't see Riker leaving for anything less.
Seems to me the most excepted term for the Valdore is Mogai Class/Type. Though as someone else said, none are technically canon.
John Eaves (the designer of the Valdore) refered to it as the Valdore-class.
The Star Trek Card Game called it the Norexan
And the Titan Novels used Mogai.
Ever since the Odyssey (now better to say the Vesta) could have the three different types with each filling a different role. The Mogai being pure Escort, The Valdore a Destroyer (Tac/Eng), and the Norexan a Sci-scort (Tac/Sci like the Vesta).
The description for the D'Deridex is pretty disheartening. Firstly, it's like THE iconic romulan ship, and it's only tier 4. Secondly, it's being compared to the galaxy. Specifically that it's slower and tankier.
Come on, the galaxy is a big, lumbering, pile of fail and everyone knows it. Why on earth would you intentionally repeat those mistakes? There's at least one thread a week about how terrible the galaxy ships are. Why oh why couldn't the D'Deridex be made into something people would actually want to fly for a reason other than appearance?
The Ha'apax looks terrible. It's ugly, and it's bigger and slower than the D'Deridex? It's going to be beyond useless. Way to waste the time and effort of the design staff.
The Dhelan and Mogai look nice, I hope they have tier 5 versions. I really, really wanted a real warbird, I've always loved the D'Deridex. But not enough to stuff myself into floating piece of fail that's best described as a galaxy but worse.
That's your opinion and is in no way fact. I think it looks awesome. From the description, it seems like it can take one heck of a beating and still survive, how is that useless? I would think that if you want to take an STF as a Romulan, this ship is right up your alley to use... Just a thought.
I gotta say this again please don't make any romulan ships except maybe mirrior and temporal ship playable by any other faction, stay with your route of only letting ships that can't currently be playable factions into the lockboxs.
Many fans of sto wish you to continue this practice as it doesn't leave us with a sour taste in our mouths, like if we see a ship that could have very well just been added in c-store for purchase or free, is allowed for any faction or person to simply gamble for, especially if that ship was one you have wanted for very long time and now at last the faction is in game but no oh wait that ship you wanted its now in a lockbox, and now your romulan doesn't have anything unique to show, for being a romulan becuase just about any faction can use it.
You also have to recognize people won't be interested in playing faction if their faction's ships are available on more populated side thous leading to faction stagnation and similar resentment kdf has had all these years due to inferior attention to its fans and content.
I look forward to seeing a playable scimitar in game yes its big yes i know it will turn slowly like a carrier, but I love the design, and no I don't want a god ship, I just want a 3 pack with 3 scimitar themed consoles with set bonuses to play with, even if you water down its abilities.
That's your opinion and is in no way fact. I think it looks awesome. From the description, it seems like it can take one heck of a beating and still survive, how is that useless? I would think that if you want to take an STF as a Romulan, this ship is right up your alley to use... Just a thought.
Of course it's an opinion, that's so obvious it shouldn't need to be said. I'm glad you think it looks awesome and hope you and all the other people without any shred of taste enjoy flying it.
And it's useless because every single ship can take a beating. With good shields, good skills, and a good selection of boff powers you can take a beating in any ship in the game. Add to that the tanking abilities from rep progression. You can even tank with tac-variant andorian escorts. So having something that can do nothing but lumber around and "take a beating" is completely and utterly useless. That's exactly why the galaxy variants are all terrible, and every few days there's a thread whining for them to be changed so they don't suck. Now cryptic is going to add the top two tier warbirds to that litany of fail.
Of course it's an opinion, that's so obvious it shouldn't need to be said. I'm glad you think it looks awesome and hope you and all the other people without any shred of taste enjoy flying it.
And it's useless because every single ship can take a beating. With good shields, good skills, and a good selection of boff powers you can take a beating in any ship in the game. Add to that the tanking abilities from rep progression. You can even tank with tac-variant andorian escorts. So having something that can do nothing but lumber around and "take a beating" is completely and utterly useless. That's exactly why the galaxy variants are all terrible, and every few days there's a thread whining for them to be changed so they don't suck. Now cryptic is going to add the top two tier warbirds to that litany of fail.
Have you tried the Ha'apax to actually make sure of your claim? If you haven't tried it (which is obvious that you haven't), then how can you say that it's useless? For that matter, it could very well be useless, but unless you try it, you will never know if it is, or if it is completely useful. I suggest that you try it before condemning it as failure, as you have. I am going to give it a shot just to test what it can do.
They've probably just read the description from Memory-Alpha: "The D'deridex-class Warbird was classified as a battle cruiser by Starfleet."
The thing is, Starfleet confusingly uses both these terms along with "B-Type" Warbird too.
STO is calling all Romulan ships Warbird class even though a Warbird as seen on screen is a battleship. A battleship is a large armored warship, usually with powerful guns and normally with a size able crew. It's not a confusing thing it's simply that the Romulans call their battleship/Capitol warship, 'Warbirds'. Klingons call then battlecruisers and in the federation it's usually the current ship of the line.
When activision lost the rights to make Trek games should all designs default to CBS? I would think so. Sp thje may yet appear. there was some good designs from Armada 2 and SFC 3
When activision lost the rights to make Trek games should all designs default to CBS? I would think so. Sp thje may yet appear. there was some good designs from Armada 2 and SFC 3
So short of purchasing, the Republic has a grand total of five ships? Where is the Green (ENT-era) Bird of Prey? It also seems like, regardless of your career, everyone gets the same ship once they reach levels 11, 21, 31 & 41 (unless they're buying from the store).
...and people said the KDF ships were limited. Hah!
When activision lost the rights to make Trek games should all designs default to CBS? I would think so. Sp thje may yet appear. there was some good designs from Armada 2 and SFC 3
The Shrike (Tier #2?) & Griffin (Tier #3?) from the Armada Series. I want them.
Since Romulans are "Masters of Cloaking Technology", may I assume that all Romulan ships will come with battle cloaks? And are those cloaking devices built in so they don't use up another console slot?
I love the looks, but for the love of god, DO NOT MAKE SHIPS THAT TURN EVEN SLOWER THAN THE GALAXY. In all other areas canon concerns get thrown out of the window when gameplay demands it, why insist on this one thing? It's a serious serious detriment to actual gameplay enjoyment if ships are bricks in space. The turn rate of the Assault Cruiser is the lowest I can personally take.
Alternatively, finally give us engineering consoles that improve turn rate AND ACTUALLY WORK on low turn-rate ships.
They've probably just read the description from Memory-Alpha: "The D'deridex-class Warbird was classified as a battle cruiser by Starfleet."
The thing is, Starfleet confusingly uses both these terms along with "B-Type" Warbird too.
It's not confusing at all. "B-Type" is an early reporting name, because for some reason, Romulans don't tend to tell you what they named the class of ship. "D'Deridex" is the Romulan designation, much in the same way a Soviet "Lira" is known by NATO as an "Alfa".
You need to read and listen to dev interview. I don't recall which but Stahl(?) talked about different variants of the Warbirds (Science, Engineering and Tactical). I think there are more than meets the eye from that dev blog.
I think we are just hearing about the classes in general. The variant of each class (Science, Tactical and Cruiser) are how we'll get choices of ships. There are also hints of special abilities the ships will have base on their singularity cores.
I am very happy to see the TOS BOP design is playable, I just hope there is a playable refit for it at the T5 level. I am thinking that all the BOP are the same ship with interchangeable parts, and they showed us the TOS configuration to mess with us.
With any luck, they'll make the D'Deridex a true formidable foe in game now. I remember the first time I had to face one (before difficulties were in game). I thought "Oh TRIBBLE! A D'Deridex! This is gonna be one heck of a fight." Then I fired a phaser beam at it and it blew up. It was VERY disappointing.
I was like... a D'Deridex.... this will be hard. It fires green beams at me.
Meh that's dissapointing... then it kills me in seconds with the plasma high yield barrage.
I felt like I was trolled by the romulans
But I sure hope the D'Deridex is not slower then the Galaxy.... unless its a carrier which can launch 4 Mogais. But that would be odd.
Also, in STFs a dual cannon battlecruiser can be good. If you position yourself well.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
The Deridex will no doubt be more sluggish than a Galaxy; it stands to reason. It's a larger and more sluggish ship. It's suppose to be twice the length for starters.
Can't see the D'deridex or Ha'apax being anything but a beam boat. As I learnt, cannons on a battlecruiser are sub-optimal IMHO.
You can always load out a Deridex with Turrets. You'd have a constant 360-degree firing arc. Granted turrets aren't immensely effective, but it's unlikely anyone will be shooting you down as you'll have the hull capacity to take one hell of a beating (more so than a Federation/Klingon Cruiser).
Throw a fore & aft Plasma Torp on for good measure (and when the fool accidentally flies in front of you) and you are good to go.
Maybe it is a family name. Maybe her great great great grand aunt or something was instrumental to the Empire way back when. I say keep it.
Or it is a personal name, and both her and the (gloriously bird-painted - I like that aspect of TOS, one of Remastered changes I am quite fond of was the addition of the bird-painting to the Romulan D7s) ship was named after someone famous.
When activision lost the rights to make Trek games should all designs default to CBS? I would think so. Sp thje may yet appear. there was some good designs from Armada 2 and SFC 3
Yeah the Griffin, Shrike and Raptor from Armada would be awesome. Long time Armada modeller and modder here, even run a website focused partly on it so I would love to see those added in provided there are no copyright issues.
Though I must admit if Cryptic can keep the same level of quality as the KDF in terms of original designs then I say go original. However if it's going to be like the horrid Fed designs I say look somewhere for inspiration. :P
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Come on, the galaxy is a big, lumbering, pile of fail and everyone knows it. Why on earth would you intentionally repeat those mistakes? There's at least one thread a week about how terrible the galaxy ships are. Why oh why couldn't the D'Deridex be made into something people would actually want to fly for a reason other than appearance?
The Ha'apax looks terrible. It's ugly, and it's bigger and slower than the D'Deridex? It's going to be beyond useless. Way to waste the time and effort of the design staff.
The Dhelan and Mogai look nice, I hope they have tier 5 versions. I really, really wanted a real warbird, I've always loved the D'Deridex. But not enough to stuff myself into floating piece of fail that's best described as a galaxy but worse.
Maybe it is a family name. Maybe her great great great grand aunt or something was instrumental to the Empire way back when. I say keep it.
You need to read and listen to dev interview. I don't recall which but Stahl(?) talked about different variants of the Warbirds (Science, Engineering and Tactical). I think there are more than meets the eye from that dev blog.
I think we are just hearing about the classes in general. The variant of each class (Science, Tactical and Cruiser) are how we'll get choices of ships. There are also hints of special abilities the ships will have base on their singularity cores.
Take a gander at the Ha'apax pic again. See that little ship beneath it?
Now look at the lower set of wings on the main ship.
Are you seeing what I'm seeing?
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If you mean ship separation, then yeah. The little diagram in the corner of the pic suggests this as well.
How about a five forward/three aft weapons arrangement for the D'deridex-class.
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T'Liss was the name given to the Romulan Drone Ships that was see on Enterprise, not the Romulan BoPs. :mad:
"Warbird Battlecruiser"? Sounds like you making it out like super duper ship.
Is it a Warbird or is it a Battlecruiser? Make up your mind. :rolleyes:
John Eaves (the designer of the Valdore) refered to it as the Valdore-class.
The Star Trek Card Game called it the Norexan
And the Titan Novels used Mogai.
Ever since the Odyssey (now better to say the Vesta) could have the three different types with each filling a different role. The Mogai being pure Escort, The Valdore a Destroyer (Tac/Eng), and the Norexan a Sci-scort (Tac/Sci like the Vesta).
They've probably just read the description from Memory-Alpha: "The D'deridex-class Warbird was classified as a battle cruiser by Starfleet."
The thing is, Starfleet confusingly uses both these terms along with "B-Type" Warbird too.
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Many fans of sto wish you to continue this practice as it doesn't leave us with a sour taste in our mouths, like if we see a ship that could have very well just been added in c-store for purchase or free, is allowed for any faction or person to simply gamble for, especially if that ship was one you have wanted for very long time and now at last the faction is in game but no oh wait that ship you wanted its now in a lockbox, and now your romulan doesn't have anything unique to show, for being a romulan becuase just about any faction can use it.
You also have to recognize people won't be interested in playing faction if their faction's ships are available on more populated side thous leading to faction stagnation and similar resentment kdf has had all these years due to inferior attention to its fans and content.
I look forward to seeing a playable scimitar in game yes its big yes i know it will turn slowly like a carrier, but I love the design, and no I don't want a god ship, I just want a 3 pack with 3 scimitar themed consoles with set bonuses to play with, even if you water down its abilities.
Of course it's an opinion, that's so obvious it shouldn't need to be said. I'm glad you think it looks awesome and hope you and all the other people without any shred of taste enjoy flying it.
And it's useless because every single ship can take a beating. With good shields, good skills, and a good selection of boff powers you can take a beating in any ship in the game. Add to that the tanking abilities from rep progression. You can even tank with tac-variant andorian escorts. So having something that can do nothing but lumber around and "take a beating" is completely and utterly useless. That's exactly why the galaxy variants are all terrible, and every few days there's a thread whining for them to be changed so they don't suck. Now cryptic is going to add the top two tier warbirds to that litany of fail.
I can't wait to make it barf rainbows.
STO is calling all Romulan ships Warbird class even though a Warbird as seen on screen is a battleship. A battleship is a large armored warship, usually with powerful guns and normally with a size able crew. It's not a confusing thing it's simply that the Romulans call their battleship/Capitol warship, 'Warbirds'. Klingons call then battlecruisers and in the federation it's usually the current ship of the line.
Depends...How did that lawsuit between them end?
...and people said the KDF ships were limited. Hah!
The Shrike (Tier #2?) & Griffin (Tier #3?) from the Armada Series. I want them.
Alternatively, finally give us engineering consoles that improve turn rate AND ACTUALLY WORK on low turn-rate ships.
Not sure how the Romulans have been built considering the dev post in which they were spoken as not "tac", "sci", or "eng" focused per say.
I hope that the ships that do become available fill important roles on the battlefield.
Slow + low turn = beam boat
Fast + high turn = cannon
Can't see the D'deridex or Ha'apax being anything but a beam boat. As I learnt, cannons on a battlecruiser are sub-optimal IMHO.
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I was like... a D'Deridex.... this will be hard. It fires green beams at me.
Meh that's dissapointing... then it kills me in seconds with the plasma high yield barrage.
I felt like I was trolled by the romulans
But I sure hope the D'Deridex is not slower then the Galaxy.... unless its a carrier which can launch 4 Mogais. But that would be odd.
Also, in STFs a dual cannon battlecruiser can be good. If you position yourself well.
You can always load out a Deridex with Turrets. You'd have a constant 360-degree firing arc. Granted turrets aren't immensely effective, but it's unlikely anyone will be shooting you down as you'll have the hull capacity to take one hell of a beating (more so than a Federation/Klingon Cruiser).
Throw a fore & aft Plasma Torp on for good measure (and when the fool accidentally flies in front of you) and you are good to go.
Yeah the Griffin, Shrike and Raptor from Armada would be awesome. Long time Armada modeller and modder here, even run a website focused partly on it so I would love to see those added in provided there are no copyright issues.
Though I must admit if Cryptic can keep the same level of quality as the KDF in terms of original designs then I say go original. However if it's going to be like the horrid Fed designs I say look somewhere for inspiration. :P