I dont know that it doesnt exist. Look at Beta quadrant on your map, the size of the empire is freakin huge. The seat of power is still intact, and there are still all of those planets with planetary viceroys and governors. The empire could take the loss of a planet, even one as important as Romulus. Even with Sela's absence, the empire could continue running on autopilot for a very long time. It took a looong time for the Roman Empire to collapse after the fall of Rome proper, why would the Romulan Empire suddenly go poof? There are billions of Romulans with a vested interest in seeing it continue to operate.
You must have missed that thing about Raptor III being on fire after she went missing.
And the Hobis thing happend a while ago.
And billions of Romulans usually have their own interests in mind that conflicts with others and tend to fight it out....just like Rome did.
Go look back over your last post aimed at me... You didn't ask a me question... you tried to make a point of some sort.
Now, I really must go to bed... It's almost 2am (therefore, not copping out and no need to do so). Nite folks!
You still refuse to answer why the new faction can't be "desperate refugees" and retort with various attempted putdowns and screaming "it's just a game!!1".
You also haven't addressed me repeatedly pointing out that "it's just a game!!11eleven" isn't a justification of any sort.
Really? Since when? I didn't know that the game went from Star Trek Online to Star Trek Roulette. News to me.
Levity is lost on you.
Again, why should I care about what you and others aren't going to do? It makes no sense to me why I should shoulder your burden for you. In fact, I refuse to do that. I refuse to shoulder anyone else's burdens. Also, there's no rule in this game, that says that if you buy something from the cash shop for ANY reason, that you must continue to buy something from the cash shop again.
You don't have to do anything.
I hope you enjoy STO until it's shut down over this.
Again with the assumptions....
You can assume (which I wouldn't advise) all you want. He's still not wrong even if he doesn't answer you.
Oh, so he's correct but to modest to answer my question in a satisfactory way? Is that it?
The Star Empire exists, in a fractioned and half dead state.
The Romulan Republic is D'Tan's faction, as the ask Cryptic log says.
The romulan missions detail what happened before they came to Mol'Rihan.
So all KDF, prepare to kill the Tal'shiar on my command. Federation admirals will track down my lost epohh, while I go enjoy some romulan ale :cool: After all, it is romulan to make them do the hard work and reap the benefits...
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
I'm pretty sure "on fire" is in this case a poetic way of saying "civil war".
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
The Romulan Republic storyline is a prequel to the events of the Romulan FE series and the establishment of New Romulus.
So at the time that the player chooses a faction, it makes sense and does not "extend the war" any more than it already has. Both factions embassies do not get established on New Romulus until after the Romulan exclusive storyline concludes and now you'll get to see how and why that happened.
At the end of Cutting the Cord we see Sela taken by the Iconians and both factions now realize there is more going on.
During the New Romulan Reputation is when we realize there is an Iconian gateway on New Romulus and that there is a lot more history here than we may have realized.
So by the time the Romulan Republic player gets to max level and experiences all of this, they will be caught up to the current state of the war and puts all factions at the same point for the upcoming episodes and seasons where we can now have everyone on equal footing to say "why are we fighting each other?" and reveal some of the bigger threats in the galaxy. These aren't events that take place AFTER everything we've already seen, these are episodes and stories that take place BEFORE and during the lead up to the events where we learn about the bigger threats. The Romulans backstory and the discovery of the gate on New Romulus will now provide much more story to what needs to happen next.
This is the problem whenever you try to give people a little info. Everyone gets up and goes crazy without all the facts... I like the info but sometimes you would think you might as well let people whine about lack of info until you release the whole story. People are not only inferring things but flat out not reading your original post.
I say have an info blackout until May 21st and have a select group of dedicated testers.
I can see all the hard work that has gone into this update and even the UI. It's a shame that people have to whine so much for something they are getting for free and it was only a few months ago were just going to be happy with level 1-50 Klingon. Nice work on what we've seen so far and regardless of what is released I'm happy to see the new content.
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Have you considered that he isn't wrong? Have you ever considered that you're just blinded by the hate you feel for Cryptic in "ruining" your faction? c0nd1t10nr3d shouldn't have to admit he's wrong when there's no CLEAR sign that he is wrong.
c0nd1t10nr3d isn't right or wrong - he just doesn't care. He likes the game just fine and is looking forward to new content - any new content - he's not fussy - that's why he's defending Cryptic.
lizwei cares - she's a fan of Trek and the Romulans and wanted to see them represented faithfully instead of being completely rewritten into something they were never shown as in the entire history of Trek.
I don't particularly care about this turn of events either - but then I stopped caring when they screwed with Veteran Rewards and the STF community - everything since then has been a downhill slide.
Sooner or later Cryptic will drive away most of the people posting in this thread because they don't care about Trek or the customers they have - just money and metrics and finding splashy yet insubstantial ways to lure potential new customers in - and that's what this 'faction' is all about - marketing.
And honestly, as fans you've got the game you deserve. I stopped supporting Cryptic a while back, and if STO isn't the Star Trek MMO you want it to be, you should too. Because giving them your money won't make this game any better.
I'm pretty sure "on fire" is in this case a poetic way of saying "civil war".
But that's the point. Civil wars can end. New leaders can rise. New nations can be forged.
Saying this must be the end of the entire Star Empire and that only D'Tan's hippy commune is a viable base to form a (half-assed) faction from is silly.
All I want to know is, if my Romulan can fly my Odyssey, can my KDF fly it too?
After all, I paid for it and it's "only a game" mirite guiz?
Good point and since its only a game i want to fly my excelsior retrofit (Zen ship) with my KDF toon i did pay for it and since canon is irelevant on STO why the hades not.
And while were at it why not just let everyone fly whatever they want regardless of faction so long as they fork out the zen for it.
And for gold members make it where they can fly whatever they want regardless of faction so long as they fork out the zen for it.
The difference between silver and gold members will be that gold members forked out alot of cash so they can be gold members.
OH OH and while were at it lets not forget the bajoran ultra uber super dooper ultra magnificent dreadnaught that looks like a tribble.
I hope you enjoy STO until it's shut down over this.
Before I address this point, I am not answering your question because I don't want to give you the satisfaction of getting an answer...
Now onto the point that you made here about the game being shut down over the situation at hand... you are once again (for the third time, by the way) assuming that it's going to happen, do you have proof that the game's going to be shut down over this situation? You don't? There you go.
Pros :
+Playable romulans.
+New reputation.
+New traits.
+Ability to use fed/kdf starbase, less grind.
+New hair! Oh this is awesome, can we have the hair style the romulan and vulcan poster girls have? That one looks fabulous!
+Romulans can join the Federation. The Federation assimilates races by aiding them in need, this is the perfect time to help the romulans and secure their loyalty.
Cons:
-Go down fighting no longer triggerable in an undamaged ship.
-Romulans using non romulan ships.
-No unique Romulan fleet holdings.
-Romulans in the KDF ? Never! Get my bat'leth and lets chase them back to the Feds! Arrrrrggh! Backtabbing thieving lying Romulan PetaQ's!
The... controversial:
Romulans are not a fully fledged faction.
Romulans have only one free race.
I personally am happy that we get to play as D'tan's Romulans.
A lot of my friends would prefer to be able to play a "good" romulan, instead of a Tal'shiar villain.
Overall we have more good things then bad. This is not perfect, but it could be much worse.
I honestly find this to be within acceptable parameters.
Romulan ale should be legal as long as its produced outside the Star Empire.
I also doubt STO will be shut down because of this.
Was it shut down because the KDF was a token faction at the start like this?
The worst that can happen is that a few people leave.
But others will come back to play the romulans.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Before I address this point, I am not answering your question because I don't want to give you the satisfaction of getting an answer...
Now onto the point that you made here about the game being shut down over the situation at hand... you are once again (for the third time, by the way) assuming that it's going to happen, do you have proof that the game's going to be shut down over this situation? You don't? There you go.
I am merely pointing out that the money must come from somewhere.
If it will no longer come from people like me, and it won't come from people like you, who will it come from?
STO must be financially successful in order to stay online. Do you think PWE is running a charity?
The fact is, you and people like you are going to have to support STO now. If you do, good for you. If you don't, again, who will?
But that's the point. Civil wars can end. New leaders can rise. New nations can be forged.
Saying this must be the end of the entire Star Empire and that only D'Tan's hippy commune is a viable base to form a (half-assed) faction from is silly.
Oh, it probably could be, but it would take a lot more effort and story than Cryptic seems willing to put in.
Personally, I would've gone with a fully-fleshed out Romulan faction independent of the other two, whose story line focuses on the Civil War that inevitably occurred after the destruction of Romulus, and introduced 3 faction PvP with... I can't think of the correct phrase at the moment... but basically persistent "sector space keeps", that can be captured and held for resources. I would've basically stolen from ****.
If that's so much work that it requires charging for the expansion, so be it. I'm sure plenty of people would've been willing to pay for that. I would have.
But there's one thing people are right about - nothing we say is going to change anything. It's far too late for Cryptic to develop something other than glorified space pirates with a bird fetish.
edit: Holy space marketing, Batman. The abbreviation for "Dark Age of Camelot" is censored.
I personally am happy that we get to play as D'tan's Romulans.
A lot of my friends would prefer to be able to play a "good" romulan, instead of a Tal'shiar villain.
Oh goody! *jumps and claps like a schoolgirl*A false dilemma fallacy! Haven't seen one of these in a while!
Why exactly must the choice be "D'Tan hippy" or "Tal'Shiar villain"?
How about a normal member of the Star Empire, who believes in the supremacy of the Romulan people above all others, and wants to work to restore it and not mortgage their future to their sworn enemies?
I personally am happy that we get to play as D'tan's Romulans.
A lot of my friends would prefer to be able to play a "good" romulan, instead of a Tal'shiar villain.
Im ok with the micro faction concept and i think playing as D'tans roms is good my only true issue is how we were all mislead by cryptic in believeing there was going to be a 3rd faction.
Cryptic should have been up front with us and not let us all get the wrong idea then we all wouldnt have had bigger expectations.
Oh goody! *jumps and claps like a schoolgirl*A false dilemma fallacy! Haven't seen one of these in a while!
Why exactly must the choice be "D'Tan hippy" or "Tal'Shiar villain"?
How about a normal member of the Star Empire, who believes in the supremacy of the Romulan people above all others, and wants to work to restore it and not mortgage their future to their sworn enemies?
Sworn enemies? The Federation can't harm a fly, and the Klingons used to be their allies.
Also, the fact that you think that only you are supporting this game really takes any credibility away from you, not that you had much to begin with .
messahla:
I do agree that the advertisement said 3rd faction. This is false. They are not a third faction, they are an addition for the other two.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
I hope you enjoy STO until it's shut down over this.
*glances at STO, which has had a year of nothing but fiscal growth, has greatly increased its staff, is PWE's highest earner outside the Asian market, and has just unveiled its first true expansion pack*
Yeah, it looks like we're in real danger of shutting down.
No Liberated Romulan borgs for lifetimers?
I''m not liking this, I don''t want some half baked alien stuff.
And on a side note,
The whole concept for Romulans is just plain wrong.
Their homeworld is gone yes, the goverment is gone as well. But that it is.
Would everyone run only around in drags if Washington DC is gone?
All over the usa, all industry to stop, across the entire usa?
Of course it would not.
That is the major part that is entirely forgotten, the capital is gone, not the many colonized worlds and bases. What are all those other worlds doing? Grow flowers and sing in the rain all day?
No, they are like cities in a current day earths country.
There would be civil war most likely to establish a new government and all, but all those colony worlds are still there, the bases are still all present, all the ships are still there etc.
I personally am happy that we get to play as D'tan's Romulans.
A lot of my friends would prefer to be able to play a "good" romulan, instead of a Tal'shiar villain.
I would as well. I would never go near a faction led by Sela or the Tal'Shiar, but the way this is unfolding, I guess I'll be having some Romulan level fifties and buy some green warbirds for them as well.
Couple of my friends here also share this opinion, so we could be leveling in the new faction together.
*glances at STO, which has had a year of nothing but fiscal growth, has greatly increased its staff, is PWE's highest earner outside the Asian market, and has just unveiled its first true expansion pack*
Yeah, it looks like we're in real danger of shutting down.
Agreed. Plus a lot of Trek fans will be happy playing a reunificationists Romulan.
It is a franchise based upon charity and acceptance of others, allying to overcome the greater threat...
*Is dragged away by Tal'shiar's new leader, C'artman.*
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
unique content from 1-40..... hmmmmm no star bases....hmmm where did I see that before...must be Federation pre season 6 because the Klingons did not have that at all even with Star bases.
Oh goody! *jumps and claps like a schoolgirl*A false dilemma fallacy! Haven't seen one of these in a while!
Why exactly must the choice be "D'Tan hippy" or "Tal'Shiar villain"?
How about a normal member of the Star Empire, who believes in the supremacy of the Romulan people above all others, and wants to work to restore it and not mortgage their future to their sworn enemies?
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You must have missed that thing about Raptor III being on fire after she went missing.
And the Hobis thing happend a while ago.
And billions of Romulans usually have their own interests in mind that conflicts with others and tend to fight it out....just like Rome did.
You still refuse to answer why the new faction can't be "desperate refugees" and retort with various attempted putdowns and screaming "it's just a game!!1".
You also haven't addressed me repeatedly pointing out that "it's just a game!!11eleven" isn't a justification of any sort.
Rator III is a planet.
Planets are big.
I somehow doubt the whole planet was on fire.
Moreover, there's another colony in the same system.
Levity is lost on you.
You don't have to do anything.
I hope you enjoy STO until it's shut down over this.
Oh, so he's correct but to modest to answer my question in a satisfactory way? Is that it?
The Romulan Republic is D'Tan's faction, as the ask Cryptic log says.
The romulan missions detail what happened before they came to Mol'Rihan.
So all KDF, prepare to kill the Tal'shiar on my command. Federation admirals will track down my lost epohh, while I go enjoy some romulan ale :cool: After all, it is romulan to make them do the hard work and reap the benefits...
I'm pretty sure "on fire" is in this case a poetic way of saying "civil war".
This is the problem whenever you try to give people a little info. Everyone gets up and goes crazy without all the facts... I like the info but sometimes you would think you might as well let people whine about lack of info until you release the whole story. People are not only inferring things but flat out not reading your original post.
I say have an info blackout until May 21st and have a select group of dedicated testers.
I can see all the hard work that has gone into this update and even the UI. It's a shame that people have to whine so much for something they are getting for free and it was only a few months ago were just going to be happy with level 1-50 Klingon. Nice work on what we've seen so far and regardless of what is released I'm happy to see the new content.
Lifetime Sub since June 2010
c0nd1t10nr3d isn't right or wrong - he just doesn't care. He likes the game just fine and is looking forward to new content - any new content - he's not fussy - that's why he's defending Cryptic.
lizwei cares - she's a fan of Trek and the Romulans and wanted to see them represented faithfully instead of being completely rewritten into something they were never shown as in the entire history of Trek.
I don't particularly care about this turn of events either - but then I stopped caring when they screwed with Veteran Rewards and the STF community - everything since then has been a downhill slide.
Sooner or later Cryptic will drive away most of the people posting in this thread because they don't care about Trek or the customers they have - just money and metrics and finding splashy yet insubstantial ways to lure potential new customers in - and that's what this 'faction' is all about - marketing.
And honestly, as fans you've got the game you deserve. I stopped supporting Cryptic a while back, and if STO isn't the Star Trek MMO you want it to be, you should too. Because giving them your money won't make this game any better.
But that's the point. Civil wars can end. New leaders can rise. New nations can be forged.
Saying this must be the end of the entire Star Empire and that only D'Tan's hippy commune is a viable base to form a (half-assed) faction from is silly.
Good point and since its only a game i want to fly my excelsior retrofit (Zen ship) with my KDF toon i did pay for it and since canon is irelevant on STO why the hades not.
And while were at it why not just let everyone fly whatever they want regardless of faction so long as they fork out the zen for it.
And for gold members make it where they can fly whatever they want regardless of faction so long as they fork out the zen for it.
The difference between silver and gold members will be that gold members forked out alot of cash so they can be gold members.
OH OH and while were at it lets not forget the bajoran ultra uber super dooper ultra magnificent dreadnaught that looks like a tribble.
Now onto the point that you made here about the game being shut down over the situation at hand... you are once again (for the third time, by the way) assuming that it's going to happen, do you have proof that the game's going to be shut down over this situation? You don't? There you go.
:eek: OMG!!! your right atleast there is one bright side to all of this laziness by cryptic legalised romulan ale
Pros :
+Playable romulans.
+New reputation.
+New traits.
+Ability to use fed/kdf starbase, less grind.
+New hair! Oh this is awesome, can we have the hair style the romulan and vulcan poster girls have? That one looks fabulous!
+Romulans can join the Federation. The Federation assimilates races by aiding them in need, this is the perfect time to help the romulans and secure their loyalty.
Cons:
-Go down fighting no longer triggerable in an undamaged ship.
-Romulans using non romulan ships.
-No unique Romulan fleet holdings.
-Romulans in the KDF ? Never! Get my bat'leth and lets chase them back to the Feds! Arrrrrggh! Backtabbing thieving lying Romulan PetaQ's!
The... controversial:
Romulans are not a fully fledged faction.
Romulans have only one free race.
I personally am happy that we get to play as D'tan's Romulans.
A lot of my friends would prefer to be able to play a "good" romulan, instead of a Tal'shiar villain.
Overall we have more good things then bad. This is not perfect, but it could be much worse.
I honestly find this to be within acceptable parameters.
Romulan ale should be legal as long as its produced outside the Star Empire.
I also doubt STO will be shut down because of this.
Was it shut down because the KDF was a token faction at the start like this?
The worst that can happen is that a few people leave.
But others will come back to play the romulans.
I am merely pointing out that the money must come from somewhere.
If it will no longer come from people like me, and it won't come from people like you, who will it come from?
STO must be financially successful in order to stay online. Do you think PWE is running a charity?
The fact is, you and people like you are going to have to support STO now. If you do, good for you. If you don't, again, who will?
Oh, it probably could be, but it would take a lot more effort and story than Cryptic seems willing to put in.
Personally, I would've gone with a fully-fleshed out Romulan faction independent of the other two, whose story line focuses on the Civil War that inevitably occurred after the destruction of Romulus, and introduced 3 faction PvP with... I can't think of the correct phrase at the moment... but basically persistent "sector space keeps", that can be captured and held for resources. I would've basically stolen from ****.
If that's so much work that it requires charging for the expansion, so be it. I'm sure plenty of people would've been willing to pay for that. I would have.
But there's one thing people are right about - nothing we say is going to change anything. It's far too late for Cryptic to develop something other than glorified space pirates with a bird fetish.
edit: Holy space marketing, Batman. The abbreviation for "Dark Age of Camelot" is censored.
Only on New Romulus, and Fleet Starbases if your Romulan allies are gracious enough to share some with you!
Oh goody! *jumps and claps like a schoolgirl*A false dilemma fallacy! Haven't seen one of these in a while!
Why exactly must the choice be "D'Tan hippy" or "Tal'Shiar villain"?
How about a normal member of the Star Empire, who believes in the supremacy of the Romulan people above all others, and wants to work to restore it and not mortgage their future to their sworn enemies?
Im ok with the micro faction concept and i think playing as D'tans roms is good my only true issue is how we were all mislead by cryptic in believeing there was going to be a 3rd faction.
Cryptic should have been up front with us and not let us all get the wrong idea then we all wouldnt have had bigger expectations.
Like idk man its real heavy in a farout way :cool:
Sworn enemies? The Federation can't harm a fly, and the Klingons used to be their allies.
Also, the fact that you think that only you are supporting this game really takes any credibility away from you, not that you had much to begin with .
messahla:
I do agree that the advertisement said 3rd faction. This is false. They are not a third faction, they are an addition for the other two.
*glances at STO, which has had a year of nothing but fiscal growth, has greatly increased its staff, is PWE's highest earner outside the Asian market, and has just unveiled its first true expansion pack*
Yeah, it looks like we're in real danger of shutting down.
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I''m not liking this, I don''t want some half baked alien stuff.
And on a side note,
The whole concept for Romulans is just plain wrong.
Their homeworld is gone yes, the goverment is gone as well. But that it is.
Would everyone run only around in drags if Washington DC is gone?
All over the usa, all industry to stop, across the entire usa?
Of course it would not.
That is the major part that is entirely forgotten, the capital is gone, not the many colonized worlds and bases. What are all those other worlds doing? Grow flowers and sing in the rain all day?
No, they are like cities in a current day earths country.
There would be civil war most likely to establish a new government and all, but all those colony worlds are still there, the bases are still all present, all the ships are still there etc.
As a third faction, Romulans were worth resubbing for, at least for a while.
This? Now I'm not nearly so sure.
Hey, I almost forgot about that, that was actually awesome news!
I would as well. I would never go near a faction led by Sela or the Tal'Shiar, but the way this is unfolding, I guess I'll be having some Romulan level fifties and buy some green warbirds for them as well.
Couple of my friends here also share this opinion, so we could be leveling in the new faction together.
Oh maan to much hate here have a flower and feel the love that being a rom space hippie is and groove to that in a far out way peace and love
Agreed. Plus a lot of Trek fans will be happy playing a reunificationists Romulan.
It is a franchise based upon charity and acceptance of others, allying to overcome the greater threat...
*Is dragged away by Tal'shiar's new leader, C'artman.*
I think the first rom only fleet should be called "D'Tans Space Hippies"
Agree I wanted to play a Romulin , not a Fedbear.