It is conceivable (if extremely improbable) that the New Romulans could get their hands on ships through defection, capture, purchase, salvage, or the like.
(It would be more likely if they were a faction of revolutionaries actually attempting to overthrow the Empire, instead of refugees chasing space bunnies.)
The question for the refugees is, where do they get the personnel and the training to man these vessels?
Oh right, I guess the Feds and Klingons will be crewing the ships.
Romulan faction, indeed.
This is all so ill-conceived; did anybody actually stop to think about it, or was every first idea just rubber-stamped?
Let's get one thing straight, acting as if the Romulan Star Empire is finished because Romulus and Remus were destroyed is like saying that the United States of America is now made up of small pockets of desperate refugees because Washington DC gets nuked.
Except it wasnt even the capital. Sela's throne planet is still intact. More like, Philadelphia got wiped out by a Meteor so California joined with Russia.
More like main land U.S getting nuked..and what's left is Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico,Guam, and other territories fighting for what's left.
Except the Star Empire is not the equivalent of external U.S. territories, is it?
We see numerous highly populated Romulan colonies in this game alone.
Why do people fail to see that the RSE is no more?
Yes, I don't like it as well, but that is a trend that J.J. started and it kinda' evolved from there.
The fact is that in STO, the RSE no longer exists. The green blur on the map is the former territory of the RSE which is now being contested by many splinter groups that kill eachother. The self-proclaimed psycho "Empress" would go to bed with the devil himself if it helps her fullfill her obsession with power. She comes and leaves the Romulans at her own convenience. The Tal Shiar are out to get anyone that doesn't happen to fall into their grand scheme of things. There is no RSE any more, it's an all out civil confilct and who knows how it will unfold. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to find out as Cryptic evolves the story behind this even further.
You can disagree with the facts all you like.
But just like a person who disagrees with the idea that gravity will cause them to fall to their deaths if they leap off a cliff, reality will not change because you wish it.
Actually there is a probabilty (all be it a small one) that they would fly or land on something soft.
Gravity is after all not a constant it depends where the Cliff was
An "alliance" that binds an individual to the service of another nation permanently is no such thing. Period
Why do people fail to see that the RSE is no more?
Yes, I don't like it as well, but that is a trend that J.J. started and it kinda' evolved from there.
The fact is that in STO, the RSE no longer exists. The green blur on the map is the former territory of the RSE which is now being contested by many splinter groups that kill eachother. The self-proclaimed psycho "Empress" would go to bed with the devil himself if it helps her fullfill her obsession with power. She comes and leaves the Romulans at her own convenience. The Tal Shiar are out to get anyone that doesn't happen to fall into their grand scheme of things. There is no RSE any more, it's an all out civil confilct and who knows how it will unfold. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to find out as Cryptic evolves the story behind this even further.
So what?
You can make up a faction, like the Romulan Republic, have them control half of the former Star Empire.
BAM! Self-sustaining faction with all the resources it needs to set up it's capital, military and starbases.
I have explained this to you once already.
I will only say again, that saying "it's just a game" is a cop out.
Look up "verisimilitude" sometime.
At the end of the day, I get it... You're a hater. And haters are always gonna hate. I'll always say that "This is just a game" and we should be grateful for what content we get for FREE and wait and see how it all unfolds in the long run.
I've made my views clear and at this stage I'll just agree to disagree with you on many points and that's where I'll leave it for now.
I for one am sincerely grateful for this new faction and content and I'll wait and see where the path leads us.
Thank You Devs! Keep up the great work and hope you you keep expanding on it after release!
Time for me to sleep now... Good night everyone... Live long and prosper!
Let's get one thing straight, acting as if the Romulan Star Empire is finished because Romulus and Remus were destroyed is like saying that the United States of America is now made up of small pockets of desperate refugees because Washington DC gets nuked.
Chaos? Maybe. Civil war? Depends. Extinction? Um, no. It was the capital. Not the entire nation.
There's a huge difference between the capital of a federal government being destroyed and the capital of a highly centralized empire being destroyed.
Personally, I'm fine with the idea of Romulans allying with either the Federation and the Klingons. Having to start the starbase grind from scratch was not appealing to me at all, and some of the queues weren't healthy enough to justify splintering them further. I think if the next "embassy" was a Romulan starbase, that would go a long way to alleviating some issues.
So what?
You can make up a faction, like the Romulan Republic, have them control half of the former Star Empire.
BAM! Self-sustaining faction with all the resources it needs to set up it's capital, military and starbases.
lol So the poor Romulan Republic refugees you pointed out few posts before to not be able to develop starships, can now take control over the rest of the Empire all of a sudden, at your own convenience, ofcourse.
An "alliance" that binds an individual to the service of another nation permanently is no such thing. Period.
Again, your opinion. That doesn't make it fact.
You keep telling yourself that. PWE are intereseted in making money. If STO does not make money, then what incentive do they have to pay for maintaining it's server?
I know that, but where does it say that other players must compensate for players who aren't willing to pay for stuff? There's no rule that says that free players must pay for stuff if paying players aren't willing to do it themselves. I have bought some stuff from the Zen Store, and I didn't do it for YOU or for any other player who feels cheated by the recent revelations about the Romulans, I did it because I wanted to support the game and also because I wanted to somewhat enhance my gameplay.
I find your lack of empathy disturbing.
Guess what? I don't care if you find it disturbing, I don't care if you are feeling cheated because I don't feel cheated and it's my opinion. If you don't like it, then do whatever you want to do.
Why do people fail to see that the RSE is no more?
Yes, I don't like it as well, but that is a trend that J.J. started and it kinda' evolved from there.
The fact is that in STO, the RSE no longer exists. The green blur on the map is the former territory of the RSE which is now being contested by many splinter groups that kill eachother. The self-proclaimed psycho "Empress" would go to bed with the devil himself if it helps her fullfill her obsession with power. She comes and leaves the Romulans at her own convenience. The Tal Shiar are out to get anyone that doesn't happen to fall into their grand scheme of things. There is no RSE any more, it's an all out civil confilct and who knows how it will unfold. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to find out as Cryptic evolves the story behind this even further.
This. Ever since J.J. made Romulus go boom, Romulans are...well... disturbed and fractured.
And yes, if somebody nuked DC, its entirely possible that there would be again North and South states, one helped by China, the other by Russia.
And all those gun-loving NRA people would try to get their hands on tanks as soon as they could.
Maybe some romulan refuges were members of the RRA?
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
At the end of the day, I get it... You're a hater. And haters are always gonna hate. I'll always say that "This is just a game" and we should be grateful for what content we get for FREE and wait and see how it all unfolds in the long run.
I've made my views clear and at this stage I'll just agree to disagree with you on many points and that's where I'll leave it for now.
I for one am sincerely grateful for this new faction and content and I'll wait and see where the path leads us.
Thank You Devs! Keep up the great work and hope you you keep expanding on it after release!
Time for me to sleep now... Good night everyone... Live long and prosper!
And again, you refuse to answer.
I am always happy to debate, on the understanding that anyone who loses should bally well admit when they are wrong.
You refuse to do so.
lol So the poor Romulan Republic refugees you pointed out few posts before to not be able to develop starships, can now take control over the rest of the Empire all of a sudden, at your own convenience, ofcourse.
Seeing as we are unfamiliar with sarcasm, I shall close the cash register at this point.
You're looking a bit odd playing the opinion card when the game has turned into roulette.
I know that, but where does it say that other players must compensate for players who aren't willing to pay for stuff? There's no rule that says that free players must pay for stuff if paying players aren't willing to do it themselves. I have bought some stuff from the Zen Store, and I didn't do it for YOU or for any other player who feels cheated by the recent revelations about the Romulans, I did it because I wanted to support the game and also because I wanted to somewhat enhance my gameplay.
Because I and those like me will no longer financially support Cryptic.
If people like you do not, then STO will go under. Simple logic.
Guess what? I don't care if you find it disturbing, I don't care if you are feeling cheated because I don't feel cheated and it's my opinion. If you don't like it, then do whatever you want to do.
Yes, you're self centred and you're okay with that. Good for you.
Easy solution, allow alliances or something that merges fleets or their projects (even from different factions) into one. So both fleets and bases can benefit from join projects. This would make it easier for smaller fleets who have both a Fed and KDF fleet, they would progress faster than they would normally. This would also help when the Romulan's get starbases and their own fleets.
Yes the factions are at war, but they could be considered joint operations as part of Omega Force or something. Sharing is benefiting them both (or all three) against the Borg. Just don't add Omega marks and stuff to them, it's hard enough already just trying to getting the gear which there is no point now considering they are going to be raising the max level soon and all our gear will be out of date.
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
And again, you refuse to answer.
I am always happy to debate, on the understanding that anyone who loses should bally well admit when they are wrong.
You refuse to do so.
Have you considered that he isn't wrong? Have you ever considered that you're just blinded by the hate you feel for Cryptic in "ruining" your faction? c0nd1t10nr3d shouldn't have to admit he's wrong when there's no CLEAR sign that he is wrong.
lol So the poor Romulan Republic refugees you pointed out few posts before to not be able to develop starships, can now take control over the rest of the Empire all of a sudden, at your own convenience, ofcourse.
The New Romulan Empire refugees did not have to be the Romulan Republic. The Romulan Republic could have been a faction within the Romulan Star Empire that wanted to overthrow the Imperial government, instead of just... fleeing, as D'Tan's group did.
Civil War wouldn't have been just probable after the destruction of Romulus, it would've been a virtual certainty.
Have you considered that he isn't wrong? Have you ever considered that you're just blinded by the hate you feel for Cryptic in "ruining" your faction? c0nd1t10nr3d shouldn't have to admit he's wrong when there's no CLEAR sign that he is wrong.
If he is not wrong then he should answer the question.
If he refuses to answer, then I can only assume he's wrong and he knows it.
Personally, I'm fine with the idea of Romulans allying with either the Federation and the Klingons. Having to start the starbase grind from scratch was not appealing to me at all, and some of the queues weren't healthy enough to justify splintering them further. I think if the next "embassy" was a Romulan starbase, that would go a long way to alleviating some issues.
Using another factions starbases for equipment is 1 thing, but flying another factions ships is another. Shouldn't need to join another faction and divide a faction in half making your faction non existent.
Have you considered that he isn't wrong? Have you ever considered that you're just blinded by the hate you feel for Cryptic in "ruining" your faction? c0nd1t10nr3d shouldn't have to admit he's wrong when there's no CLEAR sign that he is wrong.
If you don't care why do you keep posting, go be happy in the game.
Personally, I'm fine with the idea of Romulans allying with either the Federation and the Klingons. Having to start the starbase grind from scratch was not appealing to me at all, and some of the queues weren't healthy enough to justify splintering them further. I think if the next "embassy" was a Romulan starbase, that would go a long way to alleviating some issues.
Leave it to Nu Kirk, and Nu Spock, to be the voice of reason.
Using another factions starbases for equipment is 1 thing, but flying another factions ships is another. Shouldn't need to join another faction and divide a faction in half making your faction non existent.
All I want to know is, if my Romulan can fly my Odyssey, can my KDF fly it too?
After all, I paid for it and it's "only a game" mirite guiz?
Why do people fail to see that the RSE is no more?
I dont know that it doesnt exist. Look at Beta quadrant on your map, the size of the empire is freakin huge. The seat of power is still intact, and there are still all of those planets with planetary viceroys and governors. The empire could take the loss of a planet, even one as important as Romulus. Even with Sela's absence, the empire could continue running on autopilot for a very long time. It took a looong time for the Roman Empire to collapse after the fall of Rome proper, why would the Romulan Empire suddenly go poof? There are billions of Romulans with a vested interest in seeing it continue to operate.
I'm sure it's good business to turn someone like me, a regular contributor of money into someone who won't give them a penny more.
Assuming that good business in this case means "I want to go to bankruptcy court!"
This would be an excellent point, if it were true that you and/or people like you were all that were keeping the game afloat, or if you were sufficient to drive the development of the game. Since you're not, I think this thread would do much better without the extravagant claims about the self-importance of certain posters.
You don't like the decision Cryptic made. Got it. No amount of complaining from you is going to change it, and frankly I think you're just flat wrong anyway - this seems like the best decision to me - Romulan characters get to have access to high-level fleet equipment without grinding out their own starbases from scratch, Romulan players get to run STFs and PVP with their friends, and still get their own play experience, ships, and story line.
And the cost is merely that you don't like that one of the most devious species in Trek might possibly have arranged to play a "middle" position between the Klingons and Feds, allowing them to benefit from relationships with both powers without getting pulled entirely into a war they can ill afford. Oh, and if the cost to the Romulans is that sometimes captains from their fractious and dispossessed military end up on opposite sides of a conflict, well, I don't think it's too much "Realpolitik" to imagine them considering that cost well worth it.
I dont know that it doesnt exist. Look at Beta quadrant on your map, the size of the empire is freakin huge. The seat of power is still intact, and there are still all of those planets with planetary viceroys and governors. The empire could take the loss of a planet, even one as important as Romulus. Even with Sela's absence, the empire could continue running on autopilot for a very long time. It took a looong time for the Roman Empire to collapse after the fall of Rome proper, why would the Romulan Empire suddenly go poof? There are billions of Romulans with a vested interest in seeing it continue to operate.
You might want to try and read the whole post, rather than only the part you just quoted, before you reply.
You're looking a bit odd playing the opinion card when the game has turned into roulette.
Really? Since when? I didn't know that the game went from Star Trek Online to Star Trek Roulette. News to me.
Because I and those like me will no longer financially support Cryptic.
If people like you do not, then STO will go under. Simple logic.
Again, why should I care about what you and others aren't going to do? It makes no sense to me why I should shoulder your burden for you. In fact, I refuse to do that. I refuse to shoulder anyone else's burdens. Also, there's no rule in this game, that says that if you buy something from the cash shop for ANY reason, that you must continue to buy something from the cash shop again.
Yes, you're self centred and you're okay with that. Good for you.
Again with the assumptions....
If he is not wrong then he should answer the question.
If he refuses to answer, then I can only assume he's wrong and he knows it.
You can assume (which I wouldn't advise) all you want. He's still not wrong even if he doesn't answer you.
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(It would be more likely if they were a faction of revolutionaries actually attempting to overthrow the Empire, instead of refugees chasing space bunnies.)
The question for the refugees is, where do they get the personnel and the training to man these vessels?
Oh right, I guess the Feds and Klingons will be crewing the ships.
Romulan faction, indeed.
This is all so ill-conceived; did anybody actually stop to think about it, or was every first idea just rubber-stamped?
Except the Star Empire is not the equivalent of external U.S. territories, is it?
We see numerous highly populated Romulan colonies in this game alone.
Yes, I don't like it as well, but that is a trend that J.J. started and it kinda' evolved from there.
The fact is that in STO, the RSE no longer exists. The green blur on the map is the former territory of the RSE which is now being contested by many splinter groups that kill eachother. The self-proclaimed psycho "Empress" would go to bed with the devil himself if it helps her fullfill her obsession with power. She comes and leaves the Romulans at her own convenience. The Tal Shiar are out to get anyone that doesn't happen to fall into their grand scheme of things. There is no RSE any more, it's an all out civil confilct and who knows how it will unfold. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to find out as Cryptic evolves the story behind this even further.
Actually there is a probabilty (all be it a small one) that they would fly or land on something soft.
Gravity is after all not a constant it depends where the Cliff was
well its a bit like the warsaw pact
So what?
You can make up a faction, like the Romulan Republic, have them control half of the former Star Empire.
BAM! Self-sustaining faction with all the resources it needs to set up it's capital, military and starbases.
At the end of the day, I get it... You're a hater. And haters are always gonna hate. I'll always say that "This is just a game" and we should be grateful for what content we get for FREE and wait and see how it all unfolds in the long run.
I've made my views clear and at this stage I'll just agree to disagree with you on many points and that's where I'll leave it for now.
I for one am sincerely grateful for this new faction and content and I'll wait and see where the path leads us.
Thank You Devs! Keep up the great work and hope you you keep expanding on it after release!
Time for me to sleep now... Good night everyone... Live long and prosper!
There's a huge difference between the capital of a federal government being destroyed and the capital of a highly centralized empire being destroyed.
lol
I know that, but where does it say that other players must compensate for players who aren't willing to pay for stuff? There's no rule that says that free players must pay for stuff if paying players aren't willing to do it themselves. I have bought some stuff from the Zen Store, and I didn't do it for YOU or for any other player who feels cheated by the recent revelations about the Romulans, I did it because I wanted to support the game and also because I wanted to somewhat enhance my gameplay.
Guess what? I don't care if you find it disturbing, I don't care if you are feeling cheated because I don't feel cheated and it's my opinion. If you don't like it, then do whatever you want to do.
This. Ever since J.J. made Romulus go boom, Romulans are...well... disturbed and fractured.
And yes, if somebody nuked DC, its entirely possible that there would be again North and South states, one helped by China, the other by Russia.
And all those gun-loving NRA people would try to get their hands on tanks as soon as they could.
Maybe some romulan refuges were members of the RRA?
And again, you refuse to answer.
I am always happy to debate, on the understanding that anyone who loses should bally well admit when they are wrong.
You refuse to do so.
Seeing as we are unfamiliar with sarcasm, I shall close the cash register at this point.
You're looking a bit odd playing the opinion card when the game has turned into roulette.
Because I and those like me will no longer financially support Cryptic.
If people like you do not, then STO will go under. Simple logic.
Yes, you're self centred and you're okay with that. Good for you.
Yes the factions are at war, but they could be considered joint operations as part of Omega Force or something. Sharing is benefiting them both (or all three) against the Borg. Just don't add Omega marks and stuff to them, it's hard enough already just trying to getting the gear which there is no point now considering they are going to be raising the max level soon and all our gear will be out of date.
The New Romulan Empire refugees did not have to be the Romulan Republic. The Romulan Republic could have been a faction within the Romulan Star Empire that wanted to overthrow the Imperial government, instead of just... fleeing, as D'Tan's group did.
Civil War wouldn't have been just probable after the destruction of Romulus, it would've been a virtual certainty.
If he is not wrong then he should answer the question.
If he refuses to answer, then I can only assume he's wrong and he knows it.
Using another factions starbases for equipment is 1 thing, but flying another factions ships is another. Shouldn't need to join another faction and divide a faction in half making your faction non existent.
If you don't care why do you keep posting, go be happy in the game.
Leave it to Nu Kirk, and Nu Spock, to be the voice of reason.
All I want to know is, if my Romulan can fly my Odyssey, can my KDF fly it too?
After all, I paid for it and it's "only a game" mirite guiz?
This would be an excellent point, if it were true that you and/or people like you were all that were keeping the game afloat, or if you were sufficient to drive the development of the game. Since you're not, I think this thread would do much better without the extravagant claims about the self-importance of certain posters.
You don't like the decision Cryptic made. Got it. No amount of complaining from you is going to change it, and frankly I think you're just flat wrong anyway - this seems like the best decision to me - Romulan characters get to have access to high-level fleet equipment without grinding out their own starbases from scratch, Romulan players get to run STFs and PVP with their friends, and still get their own play experience, ships, and story line.
And the cost is merely that you don't like that one of the most devious species in Trek might possibly have arranged to play a "middle" position between the Klingons and Feds, allowing them to benefit from relationships with both powers without getting pulled entirely into a war they can ill afford. Oh, and if the cost to the Romulans is that sometimes captains from their fractious and dispossessed military end up on opposite sides of a conflict, well, I don't think it's too much "Realpolitik" to imagine them considering that cost well worth it.
Go look back over your last post aimed at me... You didn't ask a me question... you tried to make a point of some sort.
Now, I really must go to bed... It's almost 2am (therefore, not copping out and no need to do so). Nite folks!
You might want to try and read the whole post, rather than only the part you just quoted, before you reply.
Again, why should I care about what you and others aren't going to do? It makes no sense to me why I should shoulder your burden for you. In fact, I refuse to do that. I refuse to shoulder anyone else's burdens. Also, there's no rule in this game, that says that if you buy something from the cash shop for ANY reason, that you must continue to buy something from the cash shop again.
Again with the assumptions....
You can assume (which I wouldn't advise) all you want. He's still not wrong even if he doesn't answer you.