Honestly, I am not going to complain. I've wanted to PLAY a Romulan for over two years now, and I know that Cryptic will deliver on this. When it comes to an actual Romulan faction complete with fleet starbase, territory etc.. GIVE IT TIME. ROMULUS wasn't built in a day!
Well said. Would it really make sense that a fledgling group of Romulan refugees looking for a home, who are depending on aid from others, be building massive starbases at this point? What was done actually flows with the story line.
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Well said. Would it really make sense that a fledgling group of Romulan refugees looking for a home, who are depending on aid from others, be building massive starbases at this point? What was done actually flows with the story line.
Because, you know, New Romulus was supposed to be a minor sub-faction of the entire Star Empire who we could be playing as instead?
Well said. Would it really make sense that a fledgling group of Romulan refugees looking for a home, who are depending on aid from others, be building massive starbases at this point? What was done actually flows with the story line.
100% Agreed! Why cant the rest of the whingers see this? Haven't they played and paid attention to the story so far?
Apparently, we're civilians. Where the heck a civilian gets a warbird I couldn't begin to guess.
We start as civilians. Which might be where that TOS bird-of-prey comes in: you can't get a proper warbird, but you can get your hands on a severely outdated (even if upgraded) relatively small ship. Assume that people actually do the storyline, and by the time you start getting the modern ships, you aren't just a civilian anymore. Seems simple enough.
100% Agreed! Why cant the rest of the whingers see this? Haven't they played and paid attention to the story so far?
"We're poor refugees! We need help! We're refugees who can build warbirds which are larger and more powerful than Galaxy class starships because.. um... *FLASHBOMB*"
Because, you know, New Romulus was supposed to be a minor sub-faction of the entire Star Empire who we could be playing as instead?
The Star Empire are No More! Only a small fraction of the population of Romulas have survived! Or, didn't you get the memo? Or played the game? Or paid attention or whatever?
The Star Empire are No More! Only a small fraction of the population of Romulas have survived! Or, didn't you get the memo? Or played the game? Or paid attention or whatever?
Yes, only a small fraction of Romulans survive.
That's why they're going to all join an interstellar war and kill each other, to make sure even less survive!
"We're poor refugees! We need help! We're refugees who can build warbirds which are larger and more powerful than Galaxy class starships because.. um... *FLASHBOMB*"
Who said the refugees built the ships? A large amount of them most likely were off world at the time? duh!
Yes, only a small fraction of Romulans survive.
That's why they're going to all join an interstellar war and kill each other, to make sure even less survive!
So is Planescape Torment.
So is Shadow of the Colossus.
So is Knights of the Old Republic.
So are any number of games renowned for their stories and well crafted worlds.
"Being a game" stopped being an excuse for wrecking a storyline in the NES era.
Because it is a faction. Choosing an ally is for your benefit, so that you gain access to their ships and their gear in addition to your exclusive faction based items.
Curious - considering the fact that for both FED and KDF most of the best endgame gear and ships comes from fleet starbases, how exactly are the Romulans going to obtain their own engame warbirds, on a level similar to 10-console Fleet or lockbox vessels?
We start as civilians. Which might be where that TOS bird-of-prey comes in: you can't get a proper warbird, but you can get your hands on a severely outdated (even if upgraded) relatively small ship. Assume that people actually do the storyline, and by the time you start getting the modern ships, you aren't just a civilian anymore. Seems simple enough.
Or they could've just gone with "ship and crew of the Empire that joins the Revolution and progresses from there."
They have a ship progression and all that, so presumably there's a functioning government making assignments and such, which the Romulans and their ships serve.
Again, it's completely ludicrous that any such government would allow individual ship captains to decide with whom to ally.
I was wrong to call the Romulans vassals in this scheme. They're not vassals. That's overstating their state power. They're just a loose brotherhood of pirates. Or privateers, if you're feeling generous. But they're not their own faction.
Curious - considering the fact that for both FED and KDF most of the best endgame gear and ships comes from fleet starbases, how exactly are the Romulans going to obtain their own engame warbirds, on a level similar to 10-console Fleet or lockbox vessels?
Oh that's simple they'll just have Federation and KDF... shipyards... construct... warbirds...
The worst thing that is happening here is that Cryptic is digging themselves into a hole when it comes to expanding the romulans, once they spread the faction between FED and KDF, there is no going back.
First off, allowing romulans to use FED/KDF ships is very, very silly, and I'm not buying this "people spent money on stuff" excuse, I spent money on a Bortasqu pack, why can't I get that on my Federation guys? Because they are klingon ships, that's why, nobody expected to be able to use FED/KDF stuff on their romulans.
Second, you say you are not ruling out romulan starbases, but once romulans side with the FED/KDF and join one of their fleets, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna split the faction in 3 by allowing KDF-aligned, FED-aligned and independent romulans that get their own fleets and starbases? Or are you going to uproot all romulan characters and say "no, it's time to stand up on your own two feet now, your starbase is gone, here, start a new one, green this time around". I imagine that would cause quite a stir.
Also, if they do decide to expand the romulans to an independent faction, what happens to all the gear they got from FED/KDF? Are you gonna take away all that stuff from them? Or are we gonna have a faction with access to every ship and gear in the game?
Oh, how do I wish this announcement was made 3 days from now.
100% Agreed! Why cant the rest of the whingers see this? Haven't they played and paid attention to the story so far?
Yeah, I'm actually more excited about this new Romulan faction and how their development and establishment will go on.
Much more than the old classic stereotype to which I would not even go near to. The way this is unweiling now, I think I'll be getting some of those warbirds and experience the story regarding the Romulan Republic.
Or they could've just gone with "ship and crew of the Empire that joins the Revolution and progresses from there."
They have a ship progression and all that, so presumably there's a functioning government making assignments and such, which the Romulans and their ships serve.
Again, it's completely ludicrous that any such government would allow individual ship captains to decide with whom to ally.
I was wrong to call the Romulans vassals in this scheme. They're not vassals. That's overstating their state power. They're just a loose brotherhood of pirates. Or privateers, if you're feeling generous. But they're not their own faction.
"D'Tan, our military captains are running around deciding on their own to join either Starfleet or the KDF, fighting their own and causing chaos amongst our people!"
"We have a military?"
".. of course we do! Many warbirds! They're doing as they please! You must do something!"
"Yes, I should damnit! Where's my epohh! I need a cuddle!"
"No, D'Tan! I mean about our captains essentially being pirates working for our enemies."
I love it. Make a single argument, defend it sensibly for about five posts, then devolve into inane drivel, and when the other guy calls you out on it and refuses to continue playing your game, play it off like you won the argument.
I think it would be helpfull to try and keep the option open to actually make the Romulans feel like they are their own unique faction if they want to.
But the current design would very likely be counterproductive to this chance in the longer run. The main gripe I have is the ability for Romulans to fly ships of the faction they choose to align with.
Personally I would find it better if they would get their own line of Fleet/C-Store ships dependent on their fleets Shipyard. But no cross faction selection. So a Romulan could by his Heavy Fleet Bird with his Fed Fleetmates having a shipyard tier II and using up said fleets requisition for that, but he could not buy any of the federation ships available. Sharing all the other equipment and purchases would be fine.
Then if the Romulans would later get their own Starbase there could be an option for all the romulan players to reject/reduce their alignment. Maybe something where they have to make a Romulan fleet but could still access all the STF, PvP etc. qeueus from the faction that they aligned with originally.
Alternatively it would be interesting if you could create romulan character only missions for 5-10 players and see how they run along the usual ones. This would (maybe) allow for the gaining of longer term statistics on how well a romulan only faction might work out. Of course it would have to be also recognised that the gained information would be lower than the final result simply because all those romulan players were able to choose.
But as long as romulans are capable of selecting ships of the other factions they will never be anything more than a subfaction. Because ultimately they will be bound to their allegiance this way unless you want to have romulans with federation, klingon and romulan ships in their own little fleets in a later stage.
Of course the plan might be that a fleet can simply also build a romulan starbase next to their Klingon or Federation one but that would be, to be unpolite, a dickmove.
By permanently joining a faction and following their orders. Yeah, sure.
We're not talking about an alliance of convenience are we?
Who said that the Romulans are going to be under the yoke of either the KDF or Federation? The players are ALLIES with the other faction, they're not SUBJECTs of the other factions. You do know what the term ALLY means, I imagine? It means that you work together for the BENEFIT of both sides of an Alliance.
How difficult is it to understand that, lizwei?
Now, onto other business, Dan and company: thank you for your hard work, and I am excited to try the new content when it hits Tribble, and I am excited for what you plan for the Romulan faction. I applaud your efforts, and I suggest that you don't take the negative feedback completely to heart, the majority of the feedback seems completely knee-jerk, at least in my opinion.
I love it. Make a single argument, defend it sensibly for about five posts, then devolve into inane drivel, and when the other guy calls you out on it and refuses to continue playing your game, play it off like you won the argument.
gg lizwei
Attempting to belittle me and running away is not "calling me out".
I sarcastically wished him to answer where he thinks "desperate refugees" could build vessels that trump a Galaxy class starship, and he refused to answer.
Therefore, he concedes his point.
So to sum up the May expansion: we cant be arsed to fix our game's PVP system, so we're going to break Star Trek instead
Pretty much .
If it helps , you can blame Gozer ... , he up-and-left instead of fixing PVP ... so yeah , Gozer ... who's shade is so mighty you can feel it months after he left the scene ... .
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Well said. Would it really make sense that a fledgling group of Romulan refugees looking for a home, who are depending on aid from others, be building massive starbases at this point? What was done actually flows with the story line.
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Because, you know, New Romulus was supposed to be a minor sub-faction of the entire Star Empire who we could be playing as instead?
100% Agreed! Why cant the rest of the whingers see this? Haven't they played and paid attention to the story so far?
"We're poor refugees! We need help! We're refugees who can build warbirds which are larger and more powerful than Galaxy class starships because.. um... *FLASHBOMB*"
The Star Empire are No More! Only a small fraction of the population of Romulas have survived! Or, didn't you get the memo? Or played the game? Or paid attention or whatever?
Yes, only a small fraction of Romulans survive.
That's why they're going to all join an interstellar war and kill each other, to make sure even less survive!
Wait what.
Who said the refugees built the ships? A large amount of them most likely were off world at the time? duh!
Hertz Rentabird??
It's a game... Geez! lol
So is Planescape Torment.
So is Shadow of the Colossus.
So is Knights of the Old Republic.
So are any number of games renowned for their stories and well crafted worlds.
"Being a game" stopped being an excuse for wrecking a storyline in the NES era.
The klingons will be happy. All that pent up rage after the bunny chasing...
Or they could've just gone with "ship and crew of the Empire that joins the Revolution and progresses from there."
They have a ship progression and all that, so presumably there's a functioning government making assignments and such, which the Romulans and their ships serve.
Again, it's completely ludicrous that any such government would allow individual ship captains to decide with whom to ally.
I was wrong to call the Romulans vassals in this scheme. They're not vassals. That's overstating their state power. They're just a loose brotherhood of pirates. Or privateers, if you're feeling generous. But they're not their own faction.
The Romulans had over 50 worlds most as populous as Earth
So who did build the ships? Magical fairies?
Perhaps a giant mother Warbird squeezes out baby Warbirds?
Oh that's simple they'll just have Federation and KDF... shipyards... construct... warbirds...
/headdesk
First off, allowing romulans to use FED/KDF ships is very, very silly, and I'm not buying this "people spent money on stuff" excuse, I spent money on a Bortasqu pack, why can't I get that on my Federation guys? Because they are klingon ships, that's why, nobody expected to be able to use FED/KDF stuff on their romulans.
Second, you say you are not ruling out romulan starbases, but once romulans side with the FED/KDF and join one of their fleets, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna split the faction in 3 by allowing KDF-aligned, FED-aligned and independent romulans that get their own fleets and starbases? Or are you going to uproot all romulan characters and say "no, it's time to stand up on your own two feet now, your starbase is gone, here, start a new one, green this time around". I imagine that would cause quite a stir.
Also, if they do decide to expand the romulans to an independent faction, what happens to all the gear they got from FED/KDF? Are you gonna take away all that stuff from them? Or are we gonna have a faction with access to every ship and gear in the game?
Oh, how do I wish this announcement was made 3 days from now.
Replicators
Really BIG Replicators
same as at utopia yards
fully automated floating factories
And new Romulans?
Easy
You get two Romulans one male one Female and inform them they have a duty to the empire
Your replies are becoming very immature now... My time for them has come to an end.
Yeah, I'm actually more excited about this new Romulan faction and how their development and establishment will go on.
Much more than the old classic stereotype to which I would not even go near to. The way this is unweiling now, I think I'll be getting some of those warbirds and experience the story regarding the Romulan Republic.
"D'Tan, our military captains are running around deciding on their own to join either Starfleet or the KDF, fighting their own and causing chaos amongst our people!"
"We have a military?"
".. of course we do! Many warbirds! They're doing as they please! You must do something!"
"Yes, I should damnit! Where's my epohh! I need a cuddle!"
"No, D'Tan! I mean about our captains essentially being pirates working for our enemies."
"My epohh's breath smells like epohh food."
"...." *backs away slowly*
Concession accepted.
I love it. Make a single argument, defend it sensibly for about five posts, then devolve into inane drivel, and when the other guy calls you out on it and refuses to continue playing your game, play it off like you won the argument.
gg lizwei
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But the current design would very likely be counterproductive to this chance in the longer run. The main gripe I have is the ability for Romulans to fly ships of the faction they choose to align with.
Personally I would find it better if they would get their own line of Fleet/C-Store ships dependent on their fleets Shipyard. But no cross faction selection. So a Romulan could by his Heavy Fleet Bird with his Fed Fleetmates having a shipyard tier II and using up said fleets requisition for that, but he could not buy any of the federation ships available. Sharing all the other equipment and purchases would be fine.
Then if the Romulans would later get their own Starbase there could be an option for all the romulan players to reject/reduce their alignment. Maybe something where they have to make a Romulan fleet but could still access all the STF, PvP etc. qeueus from the faction that they aligned with originally.
Alternatively it would be interesting if you could create romulan character only missions for 5-10 players and see how they run along the usual ones. This would (maybe) allow for the gaining of longer term statistics on how well a romulan only faction might work out. Of course it would have to be also recognised that the gained information would be lower than the final result simply because all those romulan players were able to choose.
But as long as romulans are capable of selecting ships of the other factions they will never be anything more than a subfaction. Because ultimately they will be bound to their allegiance this way unless you want to have romulans with federation, klingon and romulan ships in their own little fleets in a later stage.
Of course the plan might be that a fleet can simply also build a romulan starbase next to their Klingon or Federation one but that would be, to be unpolite, a dickmove.
How difficult is it to understand that, lizwei?
Now, onto other business, Dan and company: thank you for your hard work, and I am excited to try the new content when it hits Tribble, and I am excited for what you plan for the Romulan faction. I applaud your efforts, and I suggest that you don't take the negative feedback completely to heart, the majority of the feedback seems completely knee-jerk, at least in my opinion.
Attempting to belittle me and running away is not "calling me out".
I sarcastically wished him to answer where he thinks "desperate refugees" could build vessels that trump a Galaxy class starship, and he refused to answer.
Therefore, he concedes his point.
Pretty much .
If it helps , you can blame Gozer ... , he up-and-left instead of fixing PVP ... so yeah , Gozer ... who's shade is so mighty you can feel it months after he left the scene ... .