While theoretically rescueing Sela can work, it would be a bit hard to pull off against Iconians.
Remeber, those guys make the borg look like hapless space bunnies. So this mission sounds more like a level 60 elite STF.
I can make an entire Sirius Sector Borg battle group look like hapless space bunnies. Not to mention Janeway in Voyager..
Point is, just because the Borg cube gets Worf Effected in a scene doesn't really mean that much.
While theoretically rescueing Sela can work, it would be a bit hard to pull off against Iconians.
Remeber, those guys make the borg look like hapless space bunnies. So this mission sounds more like a level 60 elite STF.
Shopks got it.... Sela part was not meant at you.
The politics of the Star Empire lead to the Hobus Supernova.
I do like American Dad, Family Guy, South Park , Simpsons, and most of all Futurama, and sometimes I can watch Drawn together.
Well its like this it would be a training mission and think for a second how uber hard the borg is ingame but on the training mission they are pushovers.
Ya know after thinking on it for a while there is 3 factions within the romulans
Star Empire led by Sela
D'Tans Unificationists on new romulas
and
The Tal Shiar
Since we are playing D'tans unificationsts it would be understandable if they seeked allies with the feds and klinks.
Even to the point some may even join the Feds or KDF who knows but the fact is D'Tans faction does not have the man power to stand alone as a true faction.
However if later on cryptic makes a rom faction based on the star empire led by sela then that would make more sense.
Since after romulus and remus were destroyed the majority of romulans united under selas banner and only a handfull joined up with D'Tan which is why the tal shiar is able to bully them around.
While there still is the point of the missing Sela, this could work.
Sela could ally with the KDF, and D'Tan with the Feds (unificationist after all), while the Tal'shiar can be an NPC Enemy.
Yeah the tutorial borg are quite easy. But the Iconians are supposed to be thousand of years ahead of the borg.... it would be a bit bad for their street cred if romulans could rescue their prisoner.
Think of a bunch of cavemen rescuing someone from a sensitive USA military facility.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Ya know after thinking on it for a while there is 3 factions within the romulans
Star Empire led by Sela
D'Tans Unificationists on new romulas
and
The Tal Shiar
Since we are playing D'tans unificationsts it would be understandable if they seeked allies with the feds and klinks.
Even to the point some may even join the Feds or KDF who knows but the fact is D'Tans faction does not have the man power to stand alone as a true faction.
However if later on cryptic makes a rom faction based on the star empire led by sela then that would make more sense.
Since after romulus and remus were destroyed the majority of romulans united under selas banner and only a handfull joined up with D'Tan which is why the tal shiar is able to bully them around.
Assuming the Star Empire absolutely HAVE to be the bad guys (a point I disagree with vehemently), why couln't it be:
Romulan Star Empire
Tal'Shiar
D'Tan's Reunificationists
Romulan Republic
Nothing, NOTHING says the Republic and the Reunificationists have to be the same thing. If the empire is fractured, well.. then.. fracture it!
Hell, the novels had the Star Empire and the Imperial Romulan State. The New Romulans are a late addition after all.
Sela is a ****ty villain-of-the-week mustache-twirling villain and nobody would bother rescuing her. Those who would follow her are only out for themselves, so they'd just try to be the one to replace her, and those opposed to her wouldn't want to see her back.
Assuming the Star Empire absolutely HAVE to be the bad guys (a point I disagree with vehemently), why couln't it be:
Romulan Star Empire
Tal'Shiar
D'Tan's Reunificationists
Romulan Republic
Nothing, NOTHING says the Republic and the Reunificationists have to be the same thing. If the empire is fractured, well.. then.. fracture it!
Hell, the novels had the Star Empire and the Imperial Romulan State. The New Romulans are a late addition after all.
The devs already said the Republic is D'Tan's. It is a republic, so it fits D'tan to the D.
Still, the RR with the Feds, and the RSE with the KDF Could work.
I doubt the Tal'shiar would get anything more then being villain NPCs.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Since we are playing D'tans unificationsts it would be understandable if they seeked allies with the feds and klinks.
Oh yeah, and he's recruited Fed and KDF spies to help build his little themepark. And he's giving the Romulan tech to our enemies! And he's even going around calling his little woodstock "New Romulus" like he's the real authority. RSE would crush him like a bug, instead he's giving center stage. Tal'Shiar should not even be the bad guys here, they are heroes to the RSE for trying to kill him [except they aren't trying to kill him, they are trying to control him, which is also kind of weird].
D'Tan faction is a mistake. I was hoping they would find a way out from under it.
The devs already said the Republic is D'Tan's. It is a republic, so it fits D'tan to the D.
My point is it didn't have to be this way. This is a lazy and silly way to do things.
Still, the RR with the Feds, and the RSE with the KDF Could work.
I still wouldn't like it. But it would make a degree of sense for opposing states to throw their lots in with the two remaining superpowers.
It would at least take away the stupidity of people from the same faction working for factions in direct opposition to each other.
I doubt the Tal'shiar would get anything more then being villain NPCs.
I never had any illusions of playing as the Tal'Shiar. Though I think an equivalent organisation could've been set up for the Romulan faction to oppose Section 31 and KDF Intelligence. But that's all irrelevant now.
Sela is a ****ty villain-of-the-week mustache-twirling villain and nobody would bother rescuing her. Those who would follow her are only out for themselves, so they'd just try to be the one to replace her, and those opposed to her wouldn't want to see her back.
OMG, I don't believe it! A intelligent and reasonable Romulan!
And no, I'm not being sarcastic, you're amongst a few others on this forums I've seen to share this opinion, it's nice to see someone else who understands this.
I still wouldn't like it. But it would make a degree of sense for opposing states to throw their lots in with the two remaining superpowers.
It would at least take away the stupidity of people from the same faction working for factions in direct opposition to each other.
This could work. After all, D'Tan is supposed to be a pupil of Spock, so he should be leaning to the Feds.
While Sela already called the Hirogen in, so she is more into the KDF's territory.
But then again, people from the same group do fight each other a lot in real life... Romulans are humanlike enough for this to apply to them.
But think of this. It could have been worse.
You could have gotten a faction of psychotic miners out to kill everybody with a giant laser and red black hole making oil.
With only 4 playable ships, and no access to any reputation.
I do try to be a reasonable space elf! Err... key word is try.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
By permanently joining a faction and following their orders. Yeah, sure.
We're not talking about an alliance of convenience are we?
I'm sure it's good business to turn someone like me, a regular contributor of money into someone who won't give them a penny more.
Assuming that good business in this case means "I want to go to bankruptcy court!"
No, by forming an alliance with said faction. The impression I get is that this gives Romulans access to fleets and starbases. Not that they have to follow Fed or KDF orders and serve them.
They still have their own storyline and can follow their own path. Endgame is really the only questionable part from where I stand. But I also assume that you can created a fleet of all Romulans (maybe one Fed or KDF character to get the fleet started, but I don't know that is required) and simply function as a Romulan Fleet.
People are doing a lot of interpreting, assuming, attacking, and posturing without having adequate information to do so.
No, by forming an alliance with said faction. The impression I get is that this gives Romulans access to fleets and starbases. Not that they have to follow Fed or KDF orders and serve them.
They still have their own storyline and can follow their own path. Endgame is really the only questionable part from where I stand. But I also assume that you can created a fleet of all Romulans (maybe one Fed or KDF character to get the fleet started, but I don't know that is required) and simply function as a Romulan Fleet.
People are doing a lot of interpreting, assuming, attacking, and posturing without having adequate information to do so.
Look if you join a faction then you'll get full access to that faction and that means doing the missions and dailies of that faction.
Those missions and dailies are written as orders from Starfleet or KDF superiors. Thus if a Romulan does them, they will be taking orders from Starfleet and the KDF. It's that simple.
Sela is a ****ty villain-of-the-week mustache-twirling villain and nobody would bother rescuing her. Those who would follow her are only out for themselves, so they'd just try to be the one to replace her, and those opposed to her wouldn't want to see her back.
Or a young junior officer trying to make a name for themselves as the one who rescued empress sela from the iconians.
To me this is far less than what I expected when they talked about their big may upgrade. It seems to me the most work they put in was for the UI and character creator because they what to streamline it and because they think they will get more players.
This seems to be a common misconception in game dev circles or whereever that new players are the solution and making stuff easier for new players where in the end the one thing that gets new players is old ones being happy about the game telling all their friends about it making them join the game.
In the end i dont believe many of us will see the new "faction" as a good enough reason to do so and all this "you invested in SBs and ships we want you to keep using those" is just an excuse because they couldnt do it correctly and cryptic/dan knows that and we know that its just cryptic is not admitting to whats really obvious to everyone. Or well almost everyone.
There are ofc always those happy about basically any content whatsoever. I myself kind of expect new content in return for all the money I spend on this game.
To me this is far less than what I expected when they talked about their big may upgrade. It seems to me the most work they put in was for the UI and character creator because they what to streamline it and because they think they will get more players.
This seems to be a common misconception in game dev circles or whereever that new players are the solution and making stuff easier for new players where in the end the one thing that gets new players is old ones being happy about the game telling all their friends about it making them join the game.
In the end i dont believe many of us will see the new "faction" as a good enough reason to do so and all this "you invested in SBs and ships we want you to keep using those" is just an excuse because they couldnt do it correctly and cryptic/dan knows that and we know that its just cryptic is not admitting to whats really obvious to everyone. Or well almost everyone.
There are ofc always those happy about basically any content whatsoever. I myself kind of expect new content in return for all the money I spend on this game.
In short they got lazy didnt want to do the "Work" and spit out a micro faction updated the UI and hope that vet players will tell other people because the cryptic team thinks everyone is happy with a half done micro faction.
In short they got lazy didnt want to do the "Work" and spit out a micro faction updated the UI and hope that vet players will tell other people because the cryptic team thinks everyone is happy with a half done micro faction.
Stahl said earlier that the game's technology "doesn't allow" for new factions to be implemented any other way.
Assuming that's true, it's funny how this apparent fact has never once come up any other time he's been questioned on the possibility of new factions, or indeed when the Romulan "faction" was announced.
Stahl said earlier that the game's technology "doesn't allow" for new factions to be implemented any other way.
Assuming that's true, it's funny how this apparent fact has never once come up any other time he's been questioned on the possibility of new factions, or indeed when the Romulan "faction" was announced.
Yup thats why i say they just got lazy if there was an issue with introducing a faction id think someone wouldve said something alot sooner then now.
Stahl said earlier that the game's technology "doesn't allow" for new factions to be implemented any other way.
Assuming that's true, it's funny how this apparent fact has never once come up any other time he's been questioned on the possibility of new factions, or indeed when the Romulan "faction" was announced.
Even more incredulous because apparently the faction can work just fine and dandy independent up until level 10. My opinion is that Stahl is lying on this issue to deflect criticism. Only way it can be done, yeah. Right.
Even more incredulous because apparently the faction can work just fine and dandy independent up until level 10. My opinion is that Stahl is lying on this issue to deflect criticism. Only way it can be done, yeah. Right.
My thoughts is they got to level 10 decided it was to much work and went the lazy way out and intagrated it with existing factions.
They got lazy and now they lying to cover their tracks
Comments
I can make an entire Sirius Sector Borg battle group look like hapless space bunnies. Not to mention Janeway in Voyager..
Point is, just because the Borg cube gets Worf Effected in a scene doesn't really mean that much.
No, that would be Cryptic
Well its like this it would be a training mission and think for a second how uber hard the borg is ingame but on the training mission they are pushovers.
While there still is the point of the missing Sela, this could work.
Sela could ally with the KDF, and D'Tan with the Feds (unificationist after all), while the Tal'shiar can be an NPC Enemy.
Yeah the tutorial borg are quite easy. But the Iconians are supposed to be thousand of years ahead of the borg.... it would be a bit bad for their street cred if romulans could rescue their prisoner.
Think of a bunch of cavemen rescuing someone from a sensitive USA military facility.
Assuming the Star Empire absolutely HAVE to be the bad guys (a point I disagree with vehemently), why couln't it be:
Romulan Star Empire
Tal'Shiar
D'Tan's Reunificationists
Romulan Republic
Nothing, NOTHING says the Republic and the Reunificationists have to be the same thing. If the empire is fractured, well.. then.. fracture it!
Hell, the novels had the Star Empire and the Imperial Romulan State. The New Romulans are a late addition after all.
Cryptic responsible for J.J. blowing up Romulus?
*Puts tinfoil hat and assumes 'the thinker' pose*
The devs already said the Republic is D'Tan's. It is a republic, so it fits D'tan to the D.
Still, the RR with the Feds, and the RSE with the KDF Could work.
I doubt the Tal'shiar would get anything more then being villain NPCs.
D'Tan faction is a mistake. I was hoping they would find a way out from under it.
I really dont want to be forced to use the same old ships because the Romulan ones stop at 9-consoles.
Please?
Agreed.
Also, the Tal'shiar were hated already in the shows. I doubt Hakeev really improved their public image.
My point is it didn't have to be this way. This is a lazy and silly way to do things.
I still wouldn't like it. But it would make a degree of sense for opposing states to throw their lots in with the two remaining superpowers.
It would at least take away the stupidity of people from the same faction working for factions in direct opposition to each other.
I never had any illusions of playing as the Tal'Shiar. Though I think an equivalent organisation could've been set up for the Romulan faction to oppose Section 31 and KDF Intelligence. But that's all irrelevant now.
OMG, I don't believe it! A intelligent and reasonable Romulan!
And no, I'm not being sarcastic, you're amongst a few others on this forums I've seen to share this opinion, it's nice to see someone else who understands this.
I don't get no respect.
This could work. After all, D'Tan is supposed to be a pupil of Spock, so he should be leaning to the Feds.
While Sela already called the Hirogen in, so she is more into the KDF's territory.
But then again, people from the same group do fight each other a lot in real life... Romulans are humanlike enough for this to apply to them.
But think of this. It could have been worse.
You could have gotten a faction of psychotic miners out to kill everybody with a giant laser and red black hole making oil.
With only 4 playable ships, and no access to any reputation.
I do try to be a reasonable space elf! Err... key word is try.
this^^^^^ fully agree
system Lord Baal is dead
No, by forming an alliance with said faction. The impression I get is that this gives Romulans access to fleets and starbases. Not that they have to follow Fed or KDF orders and serve them.
They still have their own storyline and can follow their own path. Endgame is really the only questionable part from where I stand. But I also assume that you can created a fleet of all Romulans (maybe one Fed or KDF character to get the fleet started, but I don't know that is required) and simply function as a Romulan Fleet.
People are doing a lot of interpreting, assuming, attacking, and posturing without having adequate information to do so.
Look if you join a faction then you'll get full access to that faction and that means doing the missions and dailies of that faction.
Those missions and dailies are written as orders from Starfleet or KDF superiors. Thus if a Romulan does them, they will be taking orders from Starfleet and the KDF. It's that simple.
Then its not a faction , as much as Cryptic says it is.
I never said the Romulans are a faction, any more then the WoW pandas are.
Or a young junior officer trying to make a name for themselves as the one who rescued empress sela from the iconians.
This seems to be a common misconception in game dev circles or whereever that new players are the solution and making stuff easier for new players where in the end the one thing that gets new players is old ones being happy about the game telling all their friends about it making them join the game.
In the end i dont believe many of us will see the new "faction" as a good enough reason to do so and all this "you invested in SBs and ships we want you to keep using those" is just an excuse because they couldnt do it correctly and cryptic/dan knows that and we know that its just cryptic is not admitting to whats really obvious to everyone. Or well almost everyone.
There are ofc always those happy about basically any content whatsoever. I myself kind of expect new content in return for all the money I spend on this game.
In short they got lazy didnt want to do the "Work" and spit out a micro faction updated the UI and hope that vet players will tell other people because the cryptic team thinks everyone is happy with a half done micro faction.
Stahl said earlier that the game's technology "doesn't allow" for new factions to be implemented any other way.
Assuming that's true, it's funny how this apparent fact has never once come up any other time he's been questioned on the possibility of new factions, or indeed when the Romulan "faction" was announced.
Yup thats why i say they just got lazy if there was an issue with introducing a faction id think someone wouldve said something alot sooner then now.
My thoughts is they got to level 10 decided it was to much work and went the lazy way out and intagrated it with existing factions.
They got lazy and now they lying to cover their tracks
It hasnt been released on tribble yet