Who said that the Romulans are going to be under the yoke of either the KDF or Federation? The players are ALLIES with the other faction, they're not SUBJECTs of the other factions. You do know what the term ALLY means, I imagine? It means that you work together for the BENEFIT of both sides of an Alliance.
How difficult is it to understand that, lizwei?
Do YOU know what ally means?
An ally would be able to terminate this "alliance" at any time if it no longer benefits them.
Cryptic have stated in no uncertain terms that the decision to work for a faction is PERMANENT, you are a member of their faction and subject to their command in perpetuity.
This is not an alliance, this is becoming a vassal. A subject.
Now, onto other business, Dan and company: thank you for your hard work, and I am excited to try the new content when it hits Tribble, and I am excited for what you plan for the Romulan faction. I applaud your efforts, and I suggest that you don't take the negative feedback completely to heart, the majority of the feedback seems completely knee-jerk, at least in my opinion.
Knee-jerk? They trolled us with the one thing we wanted, then did a bait and switch.
You may accept it, but many of us will not. I hope that your financial contributions can compensate for ours.
I was planning to buy 9000 zen soon, having some money to spare since a lot of today's games do not interest me. Now? Not going to.
Hope Cryptic enjoy the dip in profits. Oh yeah and before you say "Hur dur u r one person lol." there are a lot like me. A lot.
Not to mention he thought all the Romulans lived on one planet and then claimed you hadn't played the game yet he clearly hasn't either or he'd have known how "misguided" that thought was.
Attempting to belittle me and running away is not "calling me out".
I sarcastically wished him to answer where he thinks "desperate refugees" could build vessels that trump a Galaxy class starship, and he refused to answer.
Therefore, he concedes his point.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
Attempting to belittle me and running away is not "calling me out".
I sarcastically wished him to answer where he thinks "desperate refugees" could build vessels that trump a Galaxy class starship, and he refused to answer.
Therefore, he concedes his point.
I did not concede. I previously said that many of the ships more than likely were off world and therefore survived. You failed to see that point. Therefore, you lost credibility in my eyes by making an immature responsive post. I rest my case.
I did not concede. I previously said that many of the ships more than likely were off world and therefore survived. You failed to see that point. Therefore, you lost credibility in my eyes by making an immature responsive post. I rest my case.
And in the hands of the Star Empire, which we are told player Romulans are NOT and NEVER WERE it's military or the Tal'Shiar.
So again, where did "desperate refugees" with no resources get their hands on top of the line warbirds?
I did not concede. I previously said that many of the ships more than likely were off world and therefore survived. You failed to see that point. Therefore, you lost credibility in my eyes by making an immature responsive post. I rest my case.
I don't think there is any more need to feed her.
And they most likely took over some, or found a wreck and repaired it. You do start with a TOS era bird of prey, which is most likely a mothball reserve.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
First of all, why is anyone surprised that this is not the Romulan Star Empire, the announcement page said it was the Romulan Republic from the start!
I am a bit disappointed that the Romulans won't have their own starbases and will have to rely on other faction's duty officers. But I'm glad they're releasing them anyway and I'll be hopeful with these words in mind: "In the future, we will consider unique Romulan Starbases. For now, the New Romulans are just getting their feet on the ground and must look to the planet New Romulus as their new home and rely on the Starbases of their ally for support."
It does make sense, and if it makes it easier to add factions to the game in this way, I'm for it I guess. I can see the Cardassians being able to be integrated into the game in much the same way quite easily. At the same time, I really hate the idea of Romulans running around in KDF or Federation ships (or vice versa for that matter), but there are so many Dominion, Ferengi, (etc) ships running around already that it's a moot point.
I still don't like that you have to choose a side, but hey, I've ignored the war with all of my Fed and KDF character's anyway, so I can just as easily remain neutral with my Romulan! lol
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Not to mention he thought all the Romulans lived on one planet and then claimed you hadn't played the game yet he clearly hasn't either or he'd have known how "misguided" that thought was.
Thank you for strengthening my point! Romulans populated many worlds and therefore had many many ships. Refugees therefore had no need to build more!
However, the vast majority of Romulans inhabited the homeworld. When it was destroyed, the population and the species was diminished drastically. Or haven't You been paying attention as well, Kadieras?
The worst thing that is happening here is that Cryptic is digging themselves into a hole when it comes to expanding the romulans, once they spread the faction between FED and KDF, there is no going back.
First off, allowing romulans to use FED/KDF ships is very, very silly, and I'm not buying this "people spent money on stuff" excuse, I spent money on a Bortasqu pack, why can't I get that on my Federation guys? Because they are klingon ships, that's why, nobody expected to be able to use FED/KDF stuff on their romulans.
Second, you say you are not ruling out romulan starbases, but once romulans side with the FED/KDF and join one of their fleets, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna split the faction in 3 by allowing KDF-aligned, FED-aligned and independent romulans that get their own fleets and starbases? Or are you going to uproot all romulan characters and say "no, it's time to stand up on your own two feet now, your starbase is gone, here, start a new one, green this time around". I imagine that would cause quite a stir.
Also, if they do decide to expand the romulans to an independent faction, what happens to all the gear they got from FED/KDF? Are you gonna take away all that stuff from them? Or are we gonna have a faction with access to every ship and gear in the game?
Oh, how do I wish this announcement was made 3 days from now.
Very much this.
How are they going to have Romulan starbases if all the Romulans are stuck with FED or KDF?
Why are Romulans stuck with FED or KDF at endgame, when New Romulus is established already? (After the leveling Storyline)
It's a mistake not to think about these things, a mistake that will come bite us in the TRIBBLE down the road. Just like the fact that KDF are underpopulated because their faction wasn't fleshed out and now they're making decisions based on KDF being underpopulated.
Good god in heaven.
Given the justifications he's making now about "player and fleet investment" do you honestly think that they will ever, EVER change the status quo after this?
If they're not making an independent Romulan faction now, they will never make one in the future.
Am I clairvoyant? No, I'm just seeing the obvious. They don't want to "deny" people the stuff "they've paid and worked for" (even though it's all clearly labelled "FED/KDF ONLY"), there is no way they will ever "rock the boat" at a later period and have established Fed/KDF Romulans move onto a full Romulan faction.
Will. Never. Happen. "Ingenious". Sure. I was unaware ingenious has become a synonym for lazy.
Its funny how you missed the "choice" part of my post.
I did not concede. I previously said that many of the ships more than likely were off world and therefore survived. You failed to see that point. Therefore, you lost credibility in my eyes by making an immature responsive post. I rest my case.
The death toll was catastrophic. But that said we can't pretend that there is hardly any romulans now. When there is constant references to colonies and romulan controlled planets splintering because the empress has vanished and apparently falling apart without leadership........hang on there's loads of romulans out there! :eek:
You're missing the point, and that is that there is no need for the new Romulan "faction" to be "desperate refugees".
Any Romulan remnant faction could and should have enough resources to stand on their own, build starbases, etc. in fact Romulans have MORE reasons to consolidate and build new starbases to rebuild their empire.
And they most likely took over some, or found a wreck and repaired it. You do start with a TOS era bird of prey, which is most likely a mothball reserve.
And the Federation starts with Mirandas, Centaurs, TOS era Constitutions and NXs.
Clearly the Federation is made up of desperate refugees with no resources.
You're missing the point, and that is that there is no need for the new Romulan "faction" to be "desperate refugees".
Any Romulan remnant faction could and should have enough resources to stand on their own, build starbases, etc. in fact Romulans have MORE reasons to consolidate and build new starbases to rebuild their empire.
Thats what I thought the Romulin Republic was going to be, Independent.
With the added benefit that Romulan players could then abandon their fleets and start their starbases at 0......many months or years later instead of May this year. :P
Yeah. Honestly I'm hoping they do something like make it so that faction allied romulans could 'ally' with the appropriate faction fleet, and that fleet could contribute to their starbase projects without leaving/joining the other faction.
It'd be something cool for big fleets to do that've completed all the stuff, and you could even have it as an additional endgame dilithium sink, since players that sponsor these new Starbases could like, get access to the unique romulan-specific rewards of those bases (like fleet elite romulan plasma weapons) or something along those lines.
Uh clearly I was and you weren't, as we had massive colonies spread throughout our territory and while the loss of Romulus was brutal it was hardly the end all be all for Romulans. But it's nice to see you continuing your condescending personal attacks, they really add to your arguments.
Thank you for strengthening my point! Romulans populated many worlds and therefore had many many ships. Refugees therefore had no need to build more!
However, the vast majority of Romulans inhabited the homeworld. When it was destroyed, the population and the species was diminished drastically. Or haven't You been paying attention as well, Kadieras?
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
And the Federation starts with Mirandas, Centaurs, TOS era Constitutions and NXs.
Clearly the Federation is made up of desperate refugees with no resources.
Every new Captain has to start somewhere. Look at Picard and the Stargazer he first Captained... That was a piece of TRIBBLE compared to the Galaxy Class Enterprise. Why should we expect anything different from leveling a new Romulan toon?
Let's get one thing straight, acting as if the Romulan Star Empire is finished because Romulus and Remus were destroyed is like saying that the United States of America is now made up of small pockets of desperate refugees because Washington DC gets nuked.
Chaos? Maybe. Civil war? Depends. Extinction? Um, no. It was the capital. Not the entire nation.
Every new Captain has to start somewhere. Look at Picard and the Stargazer he first Captained... That was a piece of TRIBBLE compared to the Galaxy Class Enterprise. Why should we expect anything different from leveling a new Romulan toon?
Once again... It's a GAME! Move on!
I have explained this to you once already.
I will only say again, that saying "it's just a game" is a cop out.
Look up "verisimilitude" sometime.
Do YOU know what ally means?
An ally would be able to terminate this "alliance" at any time if it no longer benefits them.
Cryptic have stated in no uncertain terms that the decision to work for a faction is PERMANENT, you are a member of their faction and subject to their command in perpetuity.
This is not an alliance, this is becoming a vassal. A subject.
That's your opinion, and you're more than welcome to it. I wholeheartedly disagree with it, since that's not how I see the situation.
Yes, it does say that it's permanent that you choose your ALLY, but you are not subjects of their rule. You might have a different opinion on that, and frankly, I don't care if you do or not. You're not making my decisions for me.
Knee-jerk? They trolled us with the one thing we wanted, then did a bait and switch.
You may accept it, but many of us will not. I hope that your financial contributions can compensate for ours.
I don't care whether you or a moderate amount of paying customers aren't happy with the way the game is going, and why should I compensate for your absense? Don't assume that other people are going to pick up the slack for your absense, that's not going to happen, and before you say that if we don't the game's going to shut down, that's not going to happen for a long time as well.
I was planning to buy 9000 zen soon, having some money to spare since a lot of today's games do not interest me. Now? Not going to.
Hope Cryptic enjoy the dip in profits. Oh yeah and before you say "Hur dur u r one person lol." there are a lot like me. A lot.
Again, I don't care. I play this game for my enjoyment, and I couldn't care less for other peoples' lack of enjoyment of the game.
The only big impact this has is on the future of PVP and for now, the plan is to remain 2v2 because we haven't been able to get that working very well as it is. Trying to add a 3rd faction to pvp would be premature for where the game is at right now.
Indeed.
Rather than do '3 faction pvp globally' why not instead make a GAME TYPE or two, where you have like:
Free for all: All other players are flagged as enemies, and any alliances are impromptu and likely to dissolve the moment the target is dead.
3 or more 'team' 'Omega Force Training' pvp, where the teams are either randomized for the queues, or can be premade and selected like normal pvp setups. This would let people do 3 'faction' pvp if they wanted to without opening the can of worms that is trying to balance three way pvp globally, or add romulans as a true separate faction and having to create Fed vs Rom vs Klink, Fed vs Rom, Rom vs klink, Klink vs Fed,- so on and so forth.
And while you're at it, maybe you can end this damn war. By the time we hit VA/Fleet Admiral the bloody war should be over. Why can't you do that? You already have the tech to have stuff show up for higher level players, so why not have new prompts or text show up once the peace process starts?
Then those sector contacts aren't a KDF invasion, they're rogue KDF. You could even do a rep system for people who want to stay at war versus allying again.
Let's get one thing straight, acting as if the Romulan Star Empire is finished because Romulus and Remus were destroyed is like saying that the United States of America is now made up of small pockets of desperate refugees because Washington DC gets nuked.
Chaos? Maybe. Civil war? Depends. Extinction? Um, no. It was the capital. Not the entire nation.
More like main land U.S getting nuked..and what's left is Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico,Guam, and other territories fighting for what's left.
That's your opinion, and you're more than welcome to it. I wholeheartedly disagree with it, since that's not how I see the situation.
Yes, it does say that it's permanent that you choose your ALLY, but you are not subjects of their rule. You might have a different opinion on that, and frankly, I don't care if you do or not. You're not making my decisions for me.
You can disagree with the facts all you like.
But just like a person who disagrees with the idea that gravity will cause them to fall to their deaths if they leap off a cliff, reality will not change because you wish it.
An "alliance" that binds an individual to the service of another nation permanently is no such thing. Period.
I don't care whether you or a moderate amount of paying customers aren't happy with the way the game is going, and why should I compensate for your absense? Don't assume that other people are going to pick up the slack for your absense, that's not going to happen, and before you say that if we don't the game's going to shut down, that's not going to happen for a long time as well.
You keep telling yourself that. PWE are intereseted in making money. If STO does not make money, then what incentive do they have to pay for maintaining it's server?
Again, I don't care. I play this game for my enjoyment, and I couldn't care less for other peoples' lack of enjoyment of the game.
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Do YOU know what ally means?
An ally would be able to terminate this "alliance" at any time if it no longer benefits them.
Cryptic have stated in no uncertain terms that the decision to work for a faction is PERMANENT, you are a member of their faction and subject to their command in perpetuity.
This is not an alliance, this is becoming a vassal. A subject.
Knee-jerk? They trolled us with the one thing we wanted, then did a bait and switch.
You may accept it, but many of us will not. I hope that your financial contributions can compensate for ours.
I was planning to buy 9000 zen soon, having some money to spare since a lot of today's games do not interest me. Now? Not going to.
Hope Cryptic enjoy the dip in profits. Oh yeah and before you say "Hur dur u r one person lol." there are a lot like me. A lot.
its always possible
I did not concede. I previously said that many of the ships more than likely were off world and therefore survived. You failed to see that point. Therefore, you lost credibility in my eyes by making an immature responsive post. I rest my case.
And in the hands of the Star Empire, which we are told player Romulans are NOT and NEVER WERE it's military or the Tal'Shiar.
So again, where did "desperate refugees" with no resources get their hands on top of the line warbirds?
Case closed
Fully Automated Orbital factories
I don't think there is any more need to feed her.
And they most likely took over some, or found a wreck and repaired it. You do start with a TOS era bird of prey, which is most likely a mothball reserve.
I am a bit disappointed that the Romulans won't have their own starbases and will have to rely on other faction's duty officers. But I'm glad they're releasing them anyway and I'll be hopeful with these words in mind: "In the future, we will consider unique Romulan Starbases. For now, the New Romulans are just getting their feet on the ground and must look to the planet New Romulus as their new home and rely on the Starbases of their ally for support."
It does make sense, and if it makes it easier to add factions to the game in this way, I'm for it I guess. I can see the Cardassians being able to be integrated into the game in much the same way quite easily. At the same time, I really hate the idea of Romulans running around in KDF or Federation ships (or vice versa for that matter), but there are so many Dominion, Ferengi, (etc) ships running around already that it's a moot point.
I still don't like that you have to choose a side, but hey, I've ignored the war with all of my Fed and KDF character's anyway, so I can just as easily remain neutral with my Romulan! lol
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Thank you for strengthening my point! Romulans populated many worlds and therefore had many many ships. Refugees therefore had no need to build more!
However, the vast majority of Romulans inhabited the homeworld. When it was destroyed, the population and the species was diminished drastically. Or haven't You been paying attention as well, Kadieras?
Very much this.
How are they going to have Romulan starbases if all the Romulans are stuck with FED or KDF?
Why are Romulans stuck with FED or KDF at endgame, when New Romulus is established already? (After the leveling Storyline)
It's a mistake not to think about these things, a mistake that will come bite us in the TRIBBLE down the road. Just like the fact that KDF are underpopulated because their faction wasn't fleshed out and now they're making decisions based on KDF being underpopulated.
The death toll was catastrophic. But that said we can't pretend that there is hardly any romulans now. When there is constant references to colonies and romulan controlled planets splintering because the empress has vanished and apparently falling apart without leadership........hang on there's loads of romulans out there! :eek:
You're missing the point, and that is that there is no need for the new Romulan "faction" to be "desperate refugees".
Any Romulan remnant faction could and should have enough resources to stand on their own, build starbases, etc. in fact Romulans have MORE reasons to consolidate and build new starbases to rebuild their empire.
And the Federation starts with Mirandas, Centaurs, TOS era Constitutions and NXs.
Clearly the Federation is made up of desperate refugees with no resources.
Thats what I thought the Romulin Republic was going to be, Independent.
Yeah. Honestly I'm hoping they do something like make it so that faction allied romulans could 'ally' with the appropriate faction fleet, and that fleet could contribute to their starbase projects without leaving/joining the other faction.
It'd be something cool for big fleets to do that've completed all the stuff, and you could even have it as an additional endgame dilithium sink, since players that sponsor these new Starbases could like, get access to the unique romulan-specific rewards of those bases (like fleet elite romulan plasma weapons) or something along those lines.
costs more to build than a modern ship as well
Every new Captain has to start somewhere. Look at Picard and the Stargazer he first Captained... That was a piece of TRIBBLE compared to the Galaxy Class Enterprise. Why should we expect anything different from leveling a new Romulan toon?
Once again... It's a GAME! Move on!
Chaos? Maybe. Civil war? Depends. Extinction? Um, no. It was the capital. Not the entire nation.
I have explained this to you once already.
I will only say again, that saying "it's just a game" is a cop out.
Look up "verisimilitude" sometime.
Yes, it does say that it's permanent that you choose your ALLY, but you are not subjects of their rule. You might have a different opinion on that, and frankly, I don't care if you do or not. You're not making my decisions for me.
I don't care whether you or a moderate amount of paying customers aren't happy with the way the game is going, and why should I compensate for your absense? Don't assume that other people are going to pick up the slack for your absense, that's not going to happen, and before you say that if we don't the game's going to shut down, that's not going to happen for a long time as well.
Again, I don't care. I play this game for my enjoyment, and I couldn't care less for other peoples' lack of enjoyment of the game.
Indeed.
Rather than do '3 faction pvp globally' why not instead make a GAME TYPE or two, where you have like:
Free for all: All other players are flagged as enemies, and any alliances are impromptu and likely to dissolve the moment the target is dead.
3 or more 'team' 'Omega Force Training' pvp, where the teams are either randomized for the queues, or can be premade and selected like normal pvp setups. This would let people do 3 'faction' pvp if they wanted to without opening the can of worms that is trying to balance three way pvp globally, or add romulans as a true separate faction and having to create Fed vs Rom vs Klink, Fed vs Rom, Rom vs klink, Klink vs Fed,- so on and so forth.
And while you're at it, maybe you can end this damn war. By the time we hit VA/Fleet Admiral the bloody war should be over. Why can't you do that? You already have the tech to have stuff show up for higher level players, so why not have new prompts or text show up once the peace process starts?
Then those sector contacts aren't a KDF invasion, they're rogue KDF. You could even do a rep system for people who want to stay at war versus allying again.
More like main land U.S getting nuked..and what's left is Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico,Guam, and other territories fighting for what's left.
Try "No one Knows yet" as an answer
But I would say C Store
You can disagree with the facts all you like.
But just like a person who disagrees with the idea that gravity will cause them to fall to their deaths if they leap off a cliff, reality will not change because you wish it.
An "alliance" that binds an individual to the service of another nation permanently is no such thing. Period.
You keep telling yourself that. PWE are intereseted in making money. If STO does not make money, then what incentive do they have to pay for maintaining it's server?
I find your lack of empathy disturbing.